[000:00:00;00] will constantly support ukraine in its aspirations for de-occupation and actually will support, including after we regain control over crimea in its restoration, both economically, socially, humanitarianly and so on, i would like us, since the occasion is very suitable, we heard ms. marketa pekarova adamova live now, the speaker of the czech parliament, where she was in the part where she spoke, actually, about crimea and about, rethinking, including. her country of what happened nine years ago. there was an illegal annexation of crimea in 2014 the first direct and deliberate use of military force by one state to capture the territory of another state since the collapse of the soviet empire. and the absence of an adequate response to this from the international community, including our countries

, was perceived by the kremlin as a sign of our weakness. well, if we are completely fair and consider the course of the russian occupation systematically, then it would be good, including georgia in 2008, to remember and understand that there are things that happen in history, and they are very connected to each other, right? ms. tamila, i have a question, you returning from such events, you have an understanding that our partners are already looking ahead, are they still in the stage of understanding, perhaps some of their not quite serious approaches to the events of 2014, because europe in general is a democracy, which is what distinguishes them from authoritarian regimes , what they are able to draw, some conclusions, sometimes even from their own mistakes and, accordingly, not

to repeat them. actually, even last year, both at the parliamentary summit itself and at the second government summit, in every speech, we actually recorded that the leaders of the states or the heads of the parliaments talked about the fact that these are actually the same, they drew lessons and conclusions from the events of 2014, probably that we can really talk about earlier events, yes, we should also mention transnistria, we should really mention georgia in 2008. but about the 14th year, they mentioned that there was not enough response to the events of the 14th year, and actually this year we also heard about that, separately it is worth noting, in fact, that when we meet with our various partners, mostly that the truth is at the expert level, these are the heads of sink tanks and so on, we hear the thesis that, you know, everything is not so clear-cut with crimea, in fact it is very important that both

the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi and the speeches of the chairman of the verkhovna rada and many other heads of parliaments who are very close to us, the thesis is that everything is clear with crimea, this is the land of the crimean tatars, this is ukrainian land, yes, this territory has been colonized for centuries, in fact, and it is by no means the territory of russian military glory, yes, and it is very important to repeat in fact, because for a long time such understanding that the territory of crimea was... illegally occupied, a military base was illegally created from it, which actually became a springboard for further offensive and occupation of other territories and a full-scale invasion, it is worth constantly reminding, and actually using such forms as the crimean platform and other platforms, of course, for this too are used, this is very important, in fact, what you just said, that

the differences are becoming less and less, especially in connection with certain security events that are currently affecting crimea, ukraine is for the first time demonstrating a successful the use, in the future, of very long-range atakams missiles , and well, we understand that many people noted that this, no matter how it becomes in the hands of ukraine, is something so crucial for crimea, even such theses were heard, but it is clear that they are extremely , unweighted and have nothing in common with reality. there were some warnings and hints that ukraine will receive weapons that can be used in the operational zone, specifically the crimean one, and that one should be careful. during the summit, unequivocally no, we don't, because ukraine considers them by their citizens, for the most part, yes, except for those who came to the territory of the peninsula and

are there illegally. there and this summit took place against the background of the statements of mr. elon musk and trump, by the way, he says, it seems that he also said something a little earlier about the need to... give russia, well, he meant, first of all, he meant crimea and others territories, allegedly russian-speaking, as they believe, this is an absolute lie, just equivalent to the lies of russian propaganda since the 14th year, there is no pingrutt, it is all absolute, absolute lies, untruths, manipulations. or did you discuss on the platform on the sidelines, or maybe during the speeches, such and such... statements of publicly known persons , and how, and this is the second question, if it also concerns the first, how, what thoughts, opinions were expressed by the representatives of slovakia and hungary, countries that,

to put it mildly, as of now, do not really support ukraine and look towards russia, for some reason, actually, which is important to note, yes, what. public statements by various public figures, both mr. trump and musk, we have only one answer, this is not their territory, not theirs to decide what to do with our own territory, of course, we understand that when it comes to territorial concessions, it is always about crimea in the first place, but if this position, it is clear in the ukrainian state, no territorial concessions, may not be regarding the donetsk and luhansk regions, neither regarding the newly occupied areas, nor regarding crimea, this is one of the points of the peace formula that was proposed by ukraine, yes, it is also about the withdrawal of troops, and this is the return of the borders of 1991, so whatever

influences and public these people are not activists were, we will stand on the principles of international law, non-violation of borders and the un charter, as for slovakia or hungary, i cannot say, actually, well, what is important to say is that parliaments very often have a slightly different position than governments, yes, or the opposite happens, so i can’t say for sure, because i didn’t specifically follow only them, but i think that in public they will definitely not make any such, you know, hints, thank you tamilo, for finding the time to join the broadcast, to tell about the second parliamentary summit of the crimean platform, which took place these days, about the main emphasis there, and we really hope that our meetings on the air will become a little more frequent, there are a huge number of questions that people who are leaving the temporarily occupied crimea, who are still

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repeat at 12:10 p.m. well, we continue to talk about the de-occupation of the temporarily occupied crimea, this is a joint project of the tv channel and the atr tv channel, together with bereber, khrystyna yatskiv and ayder muzhdabayev with you in this conversation. ayder, i think it will. it is fair and very appropriate now to once again recall the opening speech of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi at the second at the parliamentary summit of the crimean platform, he actually touched on the topic of the seas and how ukraine achieved, it would seem, just six months or more ago, an incredible goal, by its own forces, by the forces of its own defense forces, to restore civil shipping, and this is extremely important. history.

we listen to the president. ukraine was able to return to the black sea the role of a security artery on which global food stability depends, without our agricultural exports, the price crisis on the food market and social chaos become a threat to dozens different nations in the space from the west coast of africa to bangladesh, to indonesia. this is a cornerstone car. when ukrainian food exports disappear, the entire global food market collapses, and we understand that achieving this goal without the naval forces, the armed forces of ukraine, and the defense forces of ukraine in general would be simply impossible, and the behavior, in fact, of those military russian naval bases, which are now in crimea and not only, but this... in the equatorial black sea, it is also

quite characteristic. let's talk about it with our next online guest, and this is dmytro pletenchuk, spokesman for the naval forces, armed forces of ukraine. dmitry, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory, congratulations to the studio, congratulations to the audience and guests. well, let's start with such ordinary, in some sense, questions, the state of the black sea fleet of the russian federation, as of today. how many and which ships are on combat duty. in general, which of them are missile carriers, what threats does it all pose to us today, please, it should be considered, first of all, from the point of view of those units that inflict direct fire damage on in our territory, this is, of course, a launch vehicle, these are both surface ships and submarines , their number on average fluctuates somewhere around 10 units, this figure can periodically change a little, increase or

decrease by one unit, because some of them can enter, for example for maintenance, therefore, in principle, 10 units were taken as a basis, these are those that, in principle , are constantly in readiness, what about submarines, this is the varshavyanka project, the so-called, there are now five of them, these are diesel-electric submarines, they have four startups, and in principle. in the composition of the black sea fleet the most, because there is also alros, but it is not, for example, a carrier, it is not a carrier, and of course these are surface ships, there is the karakurt project, for example, the cyclone, which will not fire those missiles in any way, although it is what it was built for , and the buyan project, for example, uh, the same ships, uh, there can be up to eight units on board, and it is precisely this combat core

that the russian occupiers are now trying to uh preserve, ro dispersing these units away from sevastopol, primarily the russian ones. the only problem they have the fact remains that the loading of the same caliber missiles still happens only there, the rest of the ships are sentries, patrol ships, missile boats, er, these are those units that have quite powerful weapons, but as you can see, they are intended more specifically for naval combat, the same missile boat , it should theoretically destroy other ships, and so ... they are also included in the composition of that valuable asset that they are trying to hide, in general, the combat core can be said to consist of little more than 30 units, the rest are already her units, which are smaller in size and power, they are various

boats, for example, serna or raptor, which are also combat units, but not so powerful, and of course there is also an auxiliary fleet. what should serve all this is a variety of tugs, including military ones, as well as ship support, besides, of course, the maritime security is still present in the water area, it is already the fsb, the russian federation, they have slightly smaller units in service, the same patrol ships, but slightly reduced, so to speak, versions of battleships. mr. dmytro, yes. and mr. dmytro, well, the naval forces of ukraine proved conclusively that the only language the occupier understands is the language of power, and thanks to this , the situation in the black sea has changed significantly, well, at least in the western part of the black sea, and recently, well, simply i want you

to comment, as a representative, a representative of the army, on volodymyr zelenskyi's words that he was asked, it seems, about pre-deployment. ships, to other bases, including there, even temporarily occupied abkhazia, he said that they will not hide from us anywhere, how would you, as a representative of the naval forces, comment on this statement politically. well, we can only confirm that for us, any military ships of the russian federation, these are the units that fly under the battle flag. are legitimate targets, first of all, because they inflicted and inflict fire on our territory, and accordingly, those units that are for us, untouchables, as they are also called, do not exist,

that is, of course, in the course of those actions, with liberating our equator, liberating our crimea, there are no such goals for us unattainable or illegal, uh, uh, dmitry, in general, what are the prospects of creating an alternative to the sevastopol base, in the black sea, other bases for russian ships, in addition to what they have, how complex a technological process it is, for us civilians, it's a little hard to imagine, but you know, the construction of a base... a whole fleet, how long and how expensive it is, how safe it can be at all adequate, they said something like that about mariupol just a few months ago? well, in fact, mariupol is a little different story, because it is, after all

is located in a completely closed water area, the sea of ​​azov, it is small, let’s put it this way, and even the fact that they deepened the bottom there is more than that... it is probably intended for a civilian shipyard in azov, you can’t maneuver very well, because in in principle, the sea is shallow, the maximum depth there is 15 m, respectively, in order to redeploy an entire fleet there, well, hardly, the more, the more, they are even closer to the front line, it turns out that way than the same crimean bases, this is about the use of various models . although there the port infrastructure is, of course, quite powerful in azov, both in the russians and in those ports that they captured from us, that is the port of berdyansk, mariupol, ugh, although, by the way, it was in the port of berdyansk that one of the first arrived

in this consolidated table of destroyed ships, the large amphibious assault ship saratov, as you remember, back in march of the 22nd year, and as for the port infrastructure, well, of course, this is a problem, because they themselves, war criminals from the fleet of the black sea fleet, they encountered with the problem of the lack of port infrastructure, namely... precisely the berth the front, that is, there is a banal lack of piers, and some units, the same chamois or tugs , on the contrary, they were sent to sevastopol from novorossiysk, because here it is necessary to move for more valuable, more significant units, and of course, what is the port infrastructure, it is various system, this is the water supply and the pier itself and electricity, and accordingly, for example, they load missiles from sevastopol, novorossiysk, for some reason , although there is a military base there, they have not learned how to do this, therefore, accordingly,

this is a problem for any -what kind of fort, and in relation to rumor, regarding sukhumi, a port in abkhazia, in the territory of the occupied part of georgia, they used to use this and that landing front there before, they were once stationed alone. therefore, in principle, it is quite likely, and the more, as you understand, the distance increases , the reaction time in the event of an attack increases accordingly, so this also gives us some advantages, in terms of increasing time, nevertheless, they, it is more a forced measure will be, well, mr. dmytro, here, well, you too have heard such a statement from russian propagandists, i even

i don't remember who said it, but some of their analyst, a military man, said that the black sea dolphins are a very powerful force for the russian black sea fleet, and in all seriousness, well, they actually said that they would put dolphins in the defense of the military naval bases, including in sevastopol, etc., and you know, well , in principle, they talked about combatants, there were mosquitoes and they went to such lengths, but how much really , i just want to hear from an expert whether they can really use them there somehow, to things of our dolphins in their purposes, or that just this kind of propaganda, which is designed for poor russians and , well, people like that, you know, these news from... have been circulating for quite a long time, and every time, i say the same thing and the same thing, the same thing, if i were the russians, i would be afraid that

these dolphins recognize us, on the other hand, well, i honestly don't know why at all, it was on their part to spread this information, because of course it looks funny to most people, and so they in a variety of ways. the soviets are trying to protect their aa bases in the temporarily occupied territory, crimea, there are and barrier barriers, and monitoring systems, surveillance of the surface or underwater situation, and pppo systems, and in fact they say that these are the most protected locations, probably now, in the entire so-called russian federation, but periodically something explodes there and accordingly it turns out that such systems , in principle, which cannot be overcome, does not exist, our commander, vice admiral oleksiy nypa, once

noted that there are no such fences that we cannot overcome for the naval forces, mr. dmytro, not much time it remains, it is very important to ask you how the kerch ferry, so to speak , is functioning now, i remember our conversation with you, you emphasized that they even have their own landing forces. essentially adapted for transport needs, because they simply don’t need landing ships right now , they simply don’t have any prospects of landing somewhere, excuse me, with the help of these ships, they can serve when one fine morning it turns out that the peninsula has become an island for russians, and it is necessary to get out of there as soon as possible, and they will remember practice during the second world war, when the command of the soviet fleet boarded similar ships and simply left the territory

of crimea, leaving the garrison there. yes, she appeared. another fable, the myth of the heroic defense of sevastopol, well, given that they are very fond of grandfathers and we can repeat it, well, all that remains is to make these inscriptions on these ships and use them for this very purpose, they use them periodically as ferries, the bridge itself, as you know, works by mood, as soon as there appears at least some minimal threat, he immediately overlaps, therefore, accordingly, the ferry crossing also works regularly, why should it be built, again the question arises, of course, this is a rhetorical question, but dmytro, well, ukrainian military sailors will practice their participation in anti- mine operations, you talked about this and with our colleagues, journalists, and well, there is no doubt that we are ready for absolutely

anything, at the same time there is such a new, supposedly chip from the side. occupiers, they are working in odesa now not only with rockets, but also with unidentified explosive devices, were yesterday, we had the opportunity to speak with natalya khomenyuk, the spokeswoman for ok pivden, who says that these could be such bottom mines, which, as i understand, they launch from airplanes and mine remotely, the water area adjacent to this grain route, which. .. we have, what are the dangers of these mines, if it is really them, because i understand that some additional research is needed, regarding this case, i can note that the russians used aviation to mine the equator, er , they just

send, sent er, minne weapons, mines in the waters of the black sea, and of course they are very, very worried about the fact that this corridor has become operational, and that it is expanding, and that it has been operational, without their participation, without their permission, because how could it be without their permission, they have taken away a geopolitical tool of influence, and of course they are trying to make a mess, to shoot directly at ships under a foreign flag, of course they are afraid, and it is right, because these are even more international problems than russia already has, accordingly they but in this way they are just trying to harm civil shipping, which is, of course , ordinary terrorism, a violation of the requirements of the international convention, the un on the law of the sea, the laws and customs of war, but when it stopped russia. thank you dmytro, dmytro pletenchuk, spokesman for the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, was in touch with us. thank you ayder,

for this broadcast, ayder muzhdabaev and khrystyna yatskiv were with you in the program together. beraber in the joint project of tv channel and atr. see you very soon. it's news time on the espresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, greetings to all viewers, that's all now about the most important events at this time. therefore, they do not want to leave their homes, 1,598 people remain in avdiivka, they refuse to evacuate because they are afraid that they will no longer be able to return home, said the head of the city's military administration vitaliy barabash, one

person was evacuated over the past day, although more massive evacuations were planned. sometimes the instinct of self-preservation takes over and people who categorically refuse