[000:00:00;00] good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health, hamas is visiting putin, orban is a sycophant of moscow and stefanchuk dreams of elections, of this and of something else, we're talking about today in the program. the new speaker of the house of representatives of the us congress. what to expect from mike johnson? eastern déjà vu, will the bahamud scenario repeat itself in avdiivka and what is happening in the south? putin rattles his weapons. russia simulated a massive nuclear strike. what does this mean for the world and what are the threats. elections in

ukraine, is it possible to do this during the war? and under what conditions? we will talk about all this for the next hour with our guests, they are people's deputy of ukraine, oleksiy goncharenko, officer of the armed forces of ukraine, ihor lapin, and political scientist volodymyr tsebolko. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of how ukrainian partisans destroyed the russian automated installation station pereshod r330zh. a resident of kursk region was damaged by two kamikaze drones and mortar fire,

let's see well, there is another beautiful video from our aerial scouts from donetsk region, where an enemy tank demined an area and blew up with its own anti-personnel mines after another attack on an anti-tank mine, the equipment caught fire, and the crew

began to flee, let's see. friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video and subscribe to our pages, and you can also take part in our poll that we are doing today on youtube as usual we this and we are doing, how do you evaluate the actions of the leadership of ukraine in carrying out reforms, enough, not enough, it is difficult to say, your option, please write in the comments under this video. we are in touch with the people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy honcharenko. mr. oleksiu, i am

you. congratulations, glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you. mr. oleksiu, today the new prime minister of slovakia, robert fico, who is known for his pro-russian views, announced that bratislava will not provide military aid to ukraine, and he made this announcement on the eve of the council of europe summit in brussels that said fico, fico said: it is better to negotiate for peace for 10 years than to kill each other for 10 years without any result, before bol it was predicted that a statement to fico was made, but still, slovakia during the soviet union suffered seriously when they were there troops, soviet troops, and fizo, very good, what is occupation and what is the presence of foreign troops on their territory, how do you think fizo, whose country is in the european union, is governed by making such statements?

well, first of all, it is really predicted, he is from he went to the elections with such rhetoric, what is the justification for all this, all of them are such a classic type of populist politician, and well, we see some very similar statements from orban, this is a kind of friend of orban, potential, in slovak, unfortunately, they are pro-russian public opinion polls in slovakia have shown for a long time that slovakia is the most difficult country for us, in fact, according to public sentiment, slovakia was more difficult than hungary, more difficult than bulgaria, that is, it was the most difficult country of the european union, and i think that it is not for nothing that, given that everything was very close in the elections there, there is evidence that russia also tried to influence these elections and used its bots and used

the internet, i think that this is exactly and it happened, and russia did everything it could in order for fico to win, well, unfortunately, it happened that way, and why are such politicians... orban, as orban, but yesterday or the day before yesterday, he said it, he compared, there were, there was an anniversary of the hungarian revolution of 1956, which was drowned in blood by russian tanks, soviet tanks then, and he compared the soviet occupation with the european union, a completely crazy statement to which, finally, we heard at least an adequate response from brussels, joseph borel said that no one would receive it. hungary is in the eu by force, and please, if you don't like something, then goodbye, but how can you compare this , well, really the european union, which they asked for, which feeds hungary, the european union feeds hungary, because

it sends much more to hungary money than hungary sends to the budget union, and at the same time compare it with the soviet one occupation, when there were soldiers and it was simply a brutal external occupation. well, how is this possible, but as we see that, unfortunately, there are people who are ready to believe in such things, there are politicians who see through it, in general, this virus of populism and such crazy conspiracy theories, unfortunately, it is very dangerous, russia is very it is also used by pro-russian politicians around the world, you mentioned orban, last week he met with vladimir putin in beijing, shook his hand and held talks from the kremlin, today orban says that he has nothing to be ashamed of and will not apologize for meeting putin and is proud of his strategy, let's hear what orbán said. no, no, we have a very

clear policy on that, which is different from the strategy of many others here. you have a war strategy, we have a peace strategy, and we want to do everything for peace, so we support all channels. communication with russia, otherwise there will be no chance for peace, this is our strategy, and we are proud of it, we are the only ones who speak on behalf and for the sake of peace. here's ours the european future will depend , among other things, on what politicians and leaders of european countries will say. in your opinion, who is the biggest enemy now or which country can be the biggest obstacle for ukraine on the way, for example to that. i'm not talking about the union anymore, no, well, our main goal and our main ally is the united states of america, all the others, you can lose slovakia's support, you can win it, by the way, so that the ukrainian viewers are not upset, slovakia

did everything it could to us in the military it makes sense to give, she has already given, that's why we are there for her we don't expect anything, but the key country is the united states of america, and the sentiments are there and you are there, they are critically important, unfortunately, the situation there is not easy, we saw how the new speaker was elected, on the one hand, the problem in because the elected speaker is a trumpist, and representative mike johnson, he is one of the congressmen least supportive of ukraine, so there is nothing to be happy about, on the other hand, thank god that they have ended this speakership, and finally they have a speaker, that without a speaker they could not make any decisions at all, now appears at least space for agreements for communication, well, let's hope that these agreements will still be positive for

ukraine, although not very negative, yes, but the situation in the usa is threatening, and this is critically important, again, it cannot be compared neither with slovakia nor with hungary, the lack or presence of their support does not play a big role. the usa is critical, if we have the support of all allies, but the usa is not there, then it will not help us, but if we have the support of only the united states states of america, of course, it is better to have more, but this will be enough , so the usa, the usa should be our focus, attention, on the usa, we have to work very actively at the level of congress, many positions have been lost, because unfortunately , the communication of ukrainian parliamentarians with congressmen and senators was artificially limited, and this would be a big mistake , the whole bet was placed only on personal contacts and efforts of zelenskyi, and also a kind of motorcycle show in his performance, as we

can see, it did not work, even today we have a significant, serious problem, and it must be dealt with here and now, because, well, the situation was really very, very threatening. you mentioned mike johnson, the republican who became the leader of the house of representatives of the united states of america, he is the third official for television viewers, i will remind you, in the united states of america, he was really a big opponent of giving ... military aid, or that amount of military aid ukraine, but bloomberg cites mike johnson already in the status of speaker of the house of representatives of the united states of america, which he is ready to consider the issue of continuing aid to ukraine, although he previously said that he voted against it, in your opinion, will there still be a consensus, a bipartisan consensus on ukraine, or is it simply that the united states of america is entering the presidential election campaign and it is clear that now

there will be , there will be various statements, including those related to the termination of funding, because the funding is not in the same amount as the reduction of ukraine's funding, and what does this mean for ukrainians? look, unfortunately, we have to state that already there is no bipartisan consensus, ukraine is a factor that united american politics. well, unfortunately, we lost this status, today that status is israel , rather, israel really has the support of the republicans and democrats, the same cannot be said about ukraine, however, the situation is not catastrophic, because the republicans have a moderate wing, and i think it's certain arrangements with the moderate wing, without whom johnson would not be a player, that have led to

johnson being a bit of a change now. has its own rhetoric, and still there we will hope for positive changes in his rhetoric and position, however, well, we have to work, you know, if we are talking about statements, then it is not scary, if there are statements not about ukrainians, but if according to the statements if things go well, then i will repeat myself here, this is critically important for ukraine, but i am returning now, well, from donbas, and i was in our military, today i was handing over aid again. of course, without this, well, there is nothing to go for, except communication, our boys need help, then i will tell you that the western weapons are critical, critical for our victory, this must be understood, played with, and western weapons are primarily american weapons, so there is nothing to play around here, i think that we are facing difficult times and the elections in the usa will be difficult, i think that we can say that the candidate. there, the republicans will almost certainly become

donald trump, because johnson is also the candidate of donald trump, and in fact trump has sold the republican faction in the congress to himself by promoting his own candidate for the position of speaker, this says a lot, therefore, we need to take this into account, and trump's ideas are such, they are usually dangerous, i assume that trump himself does not yet know how he will act, because he is such a person... not really, i would call him systemic, and how he will act directly if he becomes the president, i think that to the end, well, with regard to ukraine , it is meant, i think that he himself does not know to the end, but all this sounds dangerous and it is desirable, of course, for ukraine, to prove the case until the end and until the election, presidential of the united states of america, this is the best for us scenario, otherwise we will be very dependent on the results of these choices. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation, it was oleksiy

goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video so that it can be promoted in the trends of these networks. well , vote in our survey, today we ask you about how you evaluate the actions of the leadership of ukraine in carrying out reforms, enough, not enough, it's hard to say, or it's hard... please write the answer option in the comments below this video. next, we have a special agent major of the armed forces of ukraine on call. people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation ihor lapin. mr. igor? i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. today, mr. igor, president zelsky held a military cabinet, together with commanders in various directions, where they listened to the report of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, the minister of defense, the heads of the sbu group, it is clear that the most important and hottest

point on the map is avdiivka. there, russia advanced in seven directions in donbas, under...' 15 attacks were repelled, and it is known that in the two weeks since the russians actively attacked avdiivka, the russian army lost more tanks and armored vehicles than in each of the previous 11 months. what is the connection, mr. mayor, with such activity of the russians in the avdiiv region? i know that you know and understand the geography of donbas very well, including the military geography that exists there. well, let's be honest, in addition to tactical things, operational-tactical level, we will talk about this a little later , i believe that the concept of the avdiyev direction is precisely putin's political decision, if you read, well, as fate would have it, sometimes i have to read the telegram channels of russian

publics all kinds of different things, that shit, they are actually talking now that avdiivka will fall, then... sign the capitulation, well, that is , they have hysteria around this topic, of course this hysteria is not only connected with their stupidity, it is also in a certain part is connected with well let's say this, with the mobilization of the deep-seated people to go to the army, so that tadiivka has already fallen, you understand, that's why this is the story, further, now, if we are not talking about politics, but about the general situation with avdiivka, well, the fact that avdiivka is the gateway to donetsk , well, it 's not a secret for anyone, everyone knows it, and we know it too, and so on. ddiivka has actually been building its defensive lines for nine years and the defense has been there for nine years, and of course they have not had any major advances, but in the last period these waves are mechanized, they have iron fists and so on, of course they give us negative results, because they are trying to surround the

avdiivka garrison on the flanks. i think that now we saw very serious battles, clashes in the first wave, ours attacked a lot of tanks and armored vehicles there, the second wave was, they regrouped, i think now they are again in the process of regrouping, well, at the moment, at the moment, let's say yes, in some areas , if, well, such pressure is suspended, i won’t say that it is stopped, no, it is simply regrouping, bringing in fresh forces and so on, plus the weather conditions are not playing at the moment a hand for those who want to attack, but nevertheless they will go again, their closest goal, of course, is to go behind the railway line, it is in the north of avdiyivka, let's say in the northern part, and of course, koksokhim, for them it is the number one priority, because having entered there, they will then be able to organize a rather serious firing position there and will pester by interrupting the logistical possibilities for our

defenders, this is a very serious story, i do not want anyone to relax here, the fighting there is very fierce, by the way, it is so so to speak attacks on... incendiary actions of the army level, these are no longer some small groups and so on, that is, very serious reserves are involved, which i see from a positive for us in the information field, i emphasize once again, not in the context of avdiyivka, in general in the information field, we become aware that the russians are withdrawing some units from the kupyan direction, so they don’t have a strategic reserve, well, if they don’t , let’s put it this way, if they are withdrawing, then they don’t have enough, and therefore, dropping some units, of course from their reserves, and also shooting from kupyarsky direction, we can analyze it in this way, but nevertheless, the number of personnel, and according to some, let's say, some analysts, there are about

50,000 heads, this is quite a lot for the organization of the so-called meat assaults, we we know that the russians are very good at this, they are very good at doing it, burying their, as they say, other russians, our artillery, god help us here with cluster munitions, but nevertheless, we understand that in the avdiiv direction quite serious artillery training is underway on the part of the russians and they are accumulating resources, even regrouping, but the artillery is still not abating, we know that today , well, relatively speaking, at the time when we were placed there about 300,000 shells, in general, our western partners, although they should have been placed there already according to some estimates , a million, nevertheless, the russians received about 350,000 from north korea alone, and this should be taken into account, then. therefore , i emphasize once again that the logistics of north korea and russia run along the same track and there is

one bridge, it must be blown up without moving sabotage work on the side of the enemy, we will be busy for a long time, further, further returning again to avdiyivka, i would like to say that, unfortunately, i do not know, and maybe it is good that i do not know, if it exists, but that is not less, something i doubt that it is being done, i am talking today about the second, third. and the fourth, if necessary , the echelon of the defense of avdiivka or defensive lines in case the russians manage to achieve success in those directions of flanking attacks, which they are currently engaged in, because they cannot go head-on, there the lines are serious, on the flanks they are a little weaker, so i believe that we absolutely need to mine and build the second or third echelon of defense in those areas, and very quickly, because this gorge, which connects the rear with the defenders of avdiyivka, this gorge has somewhere around today there are 10 km. well, believe me, with such a number of involved

forces and means, 10 km is not enough, because it is something that can be pushed, and we do not need to panic here, but we need to strengthen the flanks with defensive lines. major, literally a few days ago there was information that the ukrainian defense forces are already on the left bank of the kherson region and that they are entrenched there, so far i haven't read any confirmed information, well, i haven't read any confirmed information that some movements have started on the left bank of the kherson region, with the development of the situation on the left bank of the kherson region, how will the situation on the front in general change, how will it affect and whether it will affect, well , let's be frank

, the operations on the... we are talking today, those small bridgeheads that are captured by our special forces, of course, this is not yet a full-fledged forcing of the dnipro with the entry of large mechanized units, with the establishment of logistics and so on, but nevertheless, it hurts the russians very much, according to the data , those that i have today, the russians have very serious problems, because they used a very large resource for the so-called surovykin line, and at the same time, the issue of the left bank of the kherson oblast asked them, although we must give credit, russians too are thinking about it, because additional units are being rolled over, we know that they are now building another line to strengthen the tokmak, there conditionally, let’s call it there, well, not surogvikina, but very serious defensive lines, twice as far as kherson oblast is concerned, once again i emphasize, we now have, let's put it this way, we must discreetly comment

on this story, well, what is already obvious is obvious, but let's not interfere with the boys' work, there are prospects, we will see the development of these events, how quickly, let's do it anyway watch and on the possibilities, but also on the weather, i emphasize again, without mechanized units we cannot yet talk about a serious threat to the russian flank from the left bank of the kherson region, but the fact that our guys there are seriously fraying their nerves, plus drones, plus adjustments artillery and plus, god bless you, god save america, haimar, we can seriously strike today on the left bank of the kherson region, precisely with the help of artillery weapons, well, that's the story, mr. igor, denys shmyhal, prime minister of ukraine in the interview. the times

said that ammunition, ammunition reserves in the world are running out, because the warehouses are emptying very quickly, the entire military-industrial complex of the world is simply not keeping up with the pace of ammunition use, including on the russian-ukrainian front, now there may still be enough a large front in the middle east, everyone is waiting for a ground operation in the gas sector, and it is clear that it is not known how it will all end, there are two aircraft carrier groups of the united states of america, but what will happen as a result of this ground operation operation and whether russia will join the war in israel, the war of hamas against israel, syria, iran, there, maybe through intermediaries, no one knows, but in the conditions of this deficit, which denys shmigal says, will it not happen that ukrainian, the ukrainian defense forces will have less ammunition, and anyway we will have to compensate for this shortage of ammunition in some other way and buy

from some other middlemen there on the world market, because it is clear that there are targeted... supplies from the united states from america, from britain, from our other partners, but the weapons are probably on the market , our partners just don’t have them, they are running out, because no one was preparing for such a hot phase that has been going on for the last year and a half in ukraine, well, let’s be honest, we all heard, so to speak, guaranteeing the supply of a million ammunition of 152 and 105 caliber, we remember that, we managed to get about 3,000. now there are talks about the fact that we should still finish this figure, but i want to emphasize, for the audience of your channel, that it is the russians in the early days of full-scale the invasion per day threw about 70-800 per day at our positions, so when we are talking about a million, well, with the intensity of the use of ammunition by the russians, it

would be there for 15 days, we certainly cannot afford such a luxury, we are only happy with this story , that our ammunition, the ones we use, i am now talking about the nato standard samples and so on, that they are much more accurate, this is true, the second point, which can help us quite a lot now, is cluster ammunition, their reserves in the world there are also very large ones, let's not we will disappoint each other, as they say, because there are cluster munitions, because they are, so to speak, conventionally fenced off by various conventions and so on, and stocks were made, no matter what, and today our western partners give them to us, i.e. work against the enemy's infantry, we will be able to, as far as means of defeating anti-tank weapons and so on, we are now given javelin again in the new aid package, and let's be honest, we have

a very good thigh for anti-tank work, well, let's talk frankly, i don’t understand at all why local communities do not start communal... enterprises for the production of apv drones, well , hit a tank with artillery, well, you need to put some ammunition while you aim, until you hit, and if it is on the move, then at all problem, but fpv drones work much more interestingly than spending artillery shells for a tank, for example, so we need to win this war technologically, well, relatively speaking, we can see the first signs of such technologies, on the example of the black sea fleet, well, we the black sea fleet of the russian federation was driven away by already wealthy clouds, as i say, and what, we have ships, destroyers, submarines, no, we drove it away with drones, so in this context we have to return our skies, so of course the russians have airplanes, we still can't compete with them

in the air, because they have airplanes and helicopters. but we have no moral right to lose the drone war, the russians put it on the industrial stream, why don’t we put it on the industrial stream, and this work for volunteers continues, i can’t to understand, prime minister shmyhal reported that 40 billion have been allocated for drone work in ukraine, every military officer will tell you where the drones come from the state, now i have seen the figures from the ministry that they have already established production there and will supply tens of thousands of them there per month , i want to say, i am reporting orally, to date, the monthly need of the armed forces of ukraine is no longer measured by tens of thousands of drones, if we take the entire front line, there are already hundreds of thousands of drones, so we are not completing 10 times, and in this situation, the creation of communal enterprises in the production of fpv drones, i believe, it should be a higher priority than the production of paving stones in

the territories of certain rural, rural urban communities, and it will also be workers. places and involvement of youth. listen, kids in schools collect vpv. drones, well, i think that with the funding already in place, that would be possible? procurement of components, reduction of obstacles for the import of components, that is where shmygal's government should work. i think so. today there was information that ukraine will receive new missiles with a range of 300 km already in january. this is reported by the voice of america, in particular myroslava gongadze. referring to the words of a high-ranking official of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, according to the results of the meeting between the military command of ukraine and the military command of the allies, the pace of the supply of weapons to ukraine will not decrease and missiles with a range of 300 km will also appear in