[000:00:00;00] he decides, or rather, what laws are brought up for consideration, how the voting goes, that is, when it takes place, that is, in fact, and we have seen it, the absence of the speaker, or the attitude of the speaker to this or that problem, weighs a lot, what he is now stated that they are ready to support the provision of aid to ukraine, this is really a set of requirements and conditions, and we will see how he will behave in reality, especially since he, no less, and maybe even more than mccartney, depends on the extreme right wing republican party, faction of

to the house of representatives, which, as we know, is very actively and vocally opposed to providing aid to ukraine, whether he will be willing and able to maneuver to support the administration's request, we will see, it is too early to draw any conclusions, but that kind of basis, i would say, is enough pessimistic, not to the core, not enough in favor of ukraine , probably for now, well, in principle, yes, and please tell me, well, technically, just how it will happen, well, here is a proposal. joe biden, about 106 billion dollars, one package, where joe biden, so to speak, invested, laid and support for ukraine, and support for israel, and there is something for taiwan and even for the construction of a wall between the usa and mexico, so what will the speaker do under these conditions, not bring this proposal to a vote, but what about israel, a dear friend and ally , there is also help for israel, and this

is, well, i would say so, tactically. the wisdom of the administration that made the package, we heard that the extreme right wants to unpack this package, i would say this way, that is, hold a separate vote and promote aid, in separate directions, but it is most promising to really preserve this package, because financing and assistance to it is an issue that enjoys almost one hundred percent support, and thus, i think, it would help to adopt the package as a whole , including assistance to ukraine, in which way it will happen, we will see, because the package, it is not introduced as a package, but it should be some kind of formed bill, that is , a legislative proposal, so let's see

how it will look... how and in what form it will come out of the committees of the house representatives, it's very important, and it's very important how the discussion of this issue is going in the senate right now, and we've already heard that a number of senators from the republican party are also expressing reservations about certain positions, the part that deals with... aid of ukraine. thank you very much . oleg shamshur, ambassador of ukraine to the usa, 2006-2010. we talked about the prospect of further support from the united states in ukraine. thank you very much. you can watch this interview in its full version on radio liberty's youtube channel. look for it under the title the siberian battle of the armed forces or the indigenous peoples of russia against putin. well, svoboda live

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of deoccupation of the crimean peninsula and, of course , about the situation with our people in crimea. my name is khrystyna yatskiv and i welcome ayder muzhdabaev, my co-host in this program. ayder, congratulations. and we will start with an important event, this week the parliamentary summit of the crimean platform took place, already the second such event, where actually representatives from many countries of our partners are working on, i would like to believe, real road maps, in in case of de-occupation and for the de-occupation of the crimean peninsula, therefore i will already announce today that we will have direct contact with the representative office of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea in the person of the permanent representative tamila tasheva, we really hope that mrs. tamila will be able to find time to talk in a little more detail about what happened

at this parliamentary summit, well, i will also announce our inclusion with a representative of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, with whom we will talk about the situation with black sea fleet. and in general the situation in the black sea and the sea of ​​azov, how it changes in connection with the, to put it mildly, uncomfortable conditions for the occupiers in the crimea, well, ayder, let's probably start with you with a few informational reasons, as i like to do, you may not agree with this, but i really like to start our programs with you on cases of cottons or potential cottons. yes , there were two such high-profile cases in crimea this week, one of

them, actually, is october 22, at least exactly then in the evening it was made public, the video is quite vivid, which osind analysts were able to analyze, based on this video, it was possible to understand and more specifically map the location, in particular , the bastion air defense system, which is located in the sevastopol area, our territories are being fired at from this bastion, the territories under control ukraine, and of course, the information that we managed to get thanks to this video will give us the opportunity to understand, and what we can actually do with this unpleasant story, and on the evening of october 24, information appears about loud the sounds of explosions in sevastopol, either in the sky or on the ground, some

local residents greeted the windows that it was, well, so far we do not receive any intelligence data, but the kremlin or pro-kremlin publics write that in the district of sevastopol , the base of the russian special forces could have been hit, we hope that we will receive a little more information about this later. ayder, what kind of accents did you place for yourself in the information picture that is being created around the crimea during... the time that you and i did not see each other on the air, well, the main impression is that really, as the representatives of our authorities say, crimea is already under the fire control of the armed forces of ukraine, so the occupiers have nothing to deny here, they themselves admit it directly or indirectly, and these strikes are cotton,

in the crimean language it will be pamuk, pamuk after pamuk, sevastopol is turning into akhyar and it's just, well, we can see from their reaction that they are not alarmed, there is no alarm, it's calm, nothing is happening, so what we see is that in fact everything is happening as it should, and they have fear, and they understand that the crimean land is the ground that is on fire under their feet, and they are looking for, i am sure that... it is true that the center of the guru there or there, well, most likely the guru, the game, i apologize for the russian, the chief intelligence officer was really impressed the management of the rashist army, i think they understand that it is not just that, that this is all the work of our partisans, partisans, and in principle, there will be no place for them to hide in the end, it is only a matter of time, the presence of missiles , groups, their number

is growing, and crimea is becoming very, very, very important for them uncomfortable, very uncomfortable, and with which i congratulate them all, we have been saying this since the 14th year, that foreign land, land will not be useful to you, it will not be for you, for comfort, for something so good for you in the following, following years, this is how it happens, and correctly, by the way, rifad chubarov noted on the crimean platform and he actually addressed those who, for those who went to crimea and even called the number about a million people, i confirm, well, no one has accurate data, but with, well, according to impressions, this one really is, about a million there are a lot of people, anti-people, as i call them, she went there and did not want to go and everything was like home, but she will have to go and we already have information that those who

are gathering there under different names, i don’t know , are leaving the crimea for various reasons and they are trying not to go there, that is, there is no longer a mass arrival and the reverse process has begun, with which i also congratulate all the occupiers in quotation marks, because they were warned, and you know what is important, that, i already want to move to the crimean platform, if possible , that - it took place in prague, prague is a symbolic city for crimeans, well in a way, symbolic, the fact is that once upon a time, the national leader of the kremlin, rifat, i'm sorry , mustafa cemil, went to prison, including because of the support of the czech republic, at a time when soviet tanks and soviet soldiers mocked the czechs as well,

and you know, once upon a time they had such a past president there, a czech one, who, although he changed his shoes after february 24 , 2022, but before that he drank beer with putin and mocked ukraine, in fact, and then in prague with billboards appeared with the face of mustafa dzhemilev and his words about what once i was in a soviet prison, because i was against...' against the occupation of czechoslovakia, and now the president of czechoslovakia, czech-czech, supports the occupation of my crimea, and you know, that's all in the end'. the president of the czech republic also worked, another is now a completely decent pro-ukrainian person, who, well, he invited everyone to prague, and in principle, everything is moving in the right way, in the direction, well, in which it should move, and i think that tamila will tell us a lot about what

happened there, this time, well, i just want to , for the sake of justice, probably note that milosz zzema. yes, there is no such thing as an ex-ex-ex, the czech president of previous years was indeed famous for his friendship with putin in a certain episode of his biography, but as for the start of a large-scale invasion of the russian federation into ukraine, in principle, and from where they did not expect, but zeman expressed, well rather unambiguous position, yes, he did not support it and advocated the support of our country with weapons, well, but less so. however, i would really like to pay attention to how important the topic of crimea is now being articulated, high-ranking officials in the countries of our allies, the minister of foreign affairs of the czech republic, jan lipavsky, noted something interesting about crimea, within the framework of this level of the crimean

platform, let's listen, they are interested in parts of ukraine, he does not need peace. putin wants to destroy ukraine as a democratic and sovereign state. he wants it to obediently return to the influence of russia again, if he succeeds in this, he will not stop there. he will attack other countries with even greater appetite in order to destroy the european security architecture, and therefore it is the duty and vital interest of the entire democratic world not to give it to him. to do, and another quote from yan lipavskyi, exactly four months ago , i said that my vacation in the crimea was approaching, someone thought that it was a provocation, others treated my plan as curiosity or even nonsense, but for me it is the key to ending russian imperialist ambitions in europe. when moscow is forced to end its occupation of crimea,

it will not be able to block the export of ukrainian grain to the countries of the global south through the black sea, if russia stops controlling crimea, there will be no so-called russian peace, which is actually a new name for russian imperialism, which is several centuries old, so i am looking forward to visiting crimea, not only to see the beautiful hills of chisarai palace, i want to visit crimea as a part of democratic ukraine, when crimean tatars will be able to have all the rights and freely choose their representatives on an equal basis with others. it's actually cool, watching how in 9 years... accents change a bit and understanding the importance of the events that happened in 2014, actually from such an unpleasant episode, which we would like to cover up and get away with such a light version of sanctions, i am now

talking about the crimean annexation, to the understanding that the actual return of crimea to the control of ukraine is the end of ruskavami. and as far as i'm concerned, this is simply the evolution of world consciousness. we are pleased to welcome tamila tasheva, permanent representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea, to the studio. congratulations ms. tamila, glory to ukraine. the heroes are proud. hello, tamila hanim, i want to ask a very simple but big question, well, the fact is that now there are really non-standard conditions for holding the crimean platform, because the war, because the attention of the whole world is before the war and not only ours war, and to israel, there are many destabilizing factors now, but for us the main thing is, of course, ukraine, of course our crimea, and i want you to tell me how the most important thing happened at this summit, at

the parliamentary summit, what conclusions, what decisions, what suggestions for the future, well, what how does the world now feel about the deoccupation of crimea, well, in principle, this is one, one big question , and from you, it is from you that i want to hear it, thank you, ayder, actually, this is already the second summit of the parliamentary dimension of the crimean platform, i would like to remind you that the crimean platform works in several dimensions, this is the parliamentary dimension, this is the governmental dimension, which we already held for the third time this year on august 23, and this is the expert dimension, last year we held the first parliamentary dimension of the crimean platform, we held it in zagorreb, i think results, they were really very powerful last year. mrs. nancy pelosi was present and this in fact prompted a large number of delegations

to participate this year, including 47 countries, 69 69 speeches, because very often two chambers of parliaments of different countries were represented, this also applies to the united states, this also applies to great britain, it actually applies to the swiss confederation, belgium, austria and so on, i will not list them all, i think the performances were even more powerful this year, even than last year, despite the fact that it happened in the first year of a full -scale invasion, always, if you compare, for example, the government summit last year, the statements were more powerful in my opinion, they were primarily related to the full-scale invasion. and the holding of this second summit within the framework of, after the start of a full-scale invasion, this year

was seen in the final statement, actually as issues related to the sanctions regime, as a condemnation of the actual unilateral withdrawal of the russian federation from of the grain initiative, it is also about the condemnation, the actual blocking of the ports, what really distinguishes... the parliamentary summit, we see that the statements that are made during the summit itself, and the final documents, they are , after all, more powerful, that is why which are not like that, you know, sometimes even diplomatic ones, yes, that is , parliamentarians can afford a little more than government officials, that is, presidents or prime ministers, in fact, mrs. marche. she is the speaker of the parliament of the czech republic,

she also called in her own speeches to create groups, the crimean platform in various parliaments, this was also very important, in my opinion too, what is important in the final statement and in the final speeches, that these participating countries, which at the parliamentary level joined the crimean platform, they declared that that they will support ukraine in the reintegration plans of ukraine regarding crimea, that crimea will necessarily be deoccupied, that these states will constantly support ukraine in its aspirations for deoccupation and will actually support it , including after we return control over crimea, in its restoration, both economically, socially, humanitarianly, and so on, so i would like us, as the occasion is very suitable, to hear ms. marketa pekarova adama live right now. the speaker of the parliament of the czech republic, where she, in the part where she spoke, specifically about crimea and about the reinterpretation, including by her

country, of what happened nine years ago. the illegal annexation of crimea in 2014 was the first direct and deliberate use of military forces by one state, with the aim of seizing the territory of another state, and the lack of adequate reactions to this from the international community, including our countries , was perceived in the kremlin as a sign of our weakness, a weakness that aggressors always perceive as an invitation to attack. well, if we are completely fair and consider the course of the russian occupation systematically, then it would be good to remember georgia in 2008 and understand that there are things that happen in history and they are very connected to each other, right? ms. tamila, i have a question, you, returning from

such events, you have an understanding that our partners are already looking ahead , are they still in the stage of understanding, perhaps some of their not quite serious approaches to the events of 2014, because europe, in general, and democracies, are therefore different from authoritarian regimes, that they are able to draw some conclusions somewhere even from their own mistakes and accordingly not repeat them? in fact, even last year, both at the parliamentary summit itself and at the second government summit, in every speech we actually recorded what the leaders of the states or heads of parliaments said about the fact that they are like that, they have learned lessons, conclusions from the events of 2014, probably what can really be said about the events. earlier ones, yes, transnistria should also be mentioned, georgia in 2008 should also be mentioned,

but about the 14th year they mentioned that there was not enough reaction. at the events of the 14th year, and actually this year we also heard about it, it is worth noting separately, in fact, that when we meet with our various partners, for the most part, what is true at the expert level, these are the heads of sink tanks and so on, we hear the thesis that, you know, everything is not so clear-cut with crimea, in fact, it is very important that both the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, and in the speech of the speaker of the verkhovna rada and many other heads of parliaments who are very close to us, the thesis that that everything is clear with crimea, it is the land of the crimean tatars, it is ukrainian land, yes, that this territory has been colonized for centuries, in fact, and it is by no means the territory of russian military glory, yes, and it is very important to repeat it in fact, because for a long time

such an understanding that the territory of crimea was illegally occupied, a military base was illegally created from it... which actually became a springboard for the further offensive and occupation of other territories and a full-scale invasion, it is worth constantly reminding and actually using such forms as the crimean platform and other platforms, of course, for this too is used, it is very important, in fact, what you just said that the differences are becoming less and less, especially in connection with certain security events that are currently affecting crimea. ukraine is demonstrating success for the first time the use in the future of very long-range missiles and kams, and well, we understand that many people noted that this, no matter how it turned out to be in the hands of ukraine, was something so punitive for crimea, even such theories were heard, but it is clear

that they are extremely unweighted and have nothing, respectively, from the real... social, there were some warnings and hints that ukraine will receive weapons that can be used in the crimean operational zone, and that we must be careful, during the summit definitely not, we this was not heard, was not recorded in public speeches, but actually we always insist that crimea is the territory of the ukrainian state, where illegal military facilities are located, and they are a legitimate target for ukrainians. their forces, because everything that is happening on the territory of crimea, actually these military facilities, military bases, or the navy or the kerch bridge, they are working for the enemy now in order to kill the civilian population on the territory of the mainland. ukraine will never shell the civilian population of crimea, and we actually call for it ukrainian citizens living in crimea

near military facilities to move away from them. it is very. it is important to settle in the depths of crimea, or simply away from these objects, so ukraine will not take any actions against the civilian population, because ukraine considers them its citizens, for the most part, yes, except for those who came to the territory of the peninsula and are there illegally, tamil, this summit took place against the background of the statements of mr. elon musk and trump, by the way what should be given to russia, er, well, it was meant, first of all, it meant crimea and other supposedly russian-speaking territories, as they believe, this is an absolute lie, just equivalent to the lies of russian propaganda since the 14th year , there is no pingruth, it is all absolute

, absolute, lies, untruths, manipulations, did you discuss, on the platform on the sidelines or... maybe during the speeches such and such statements of publicly, well-known persons, and how is this the second question, it if also applies to the first, how, what thoughts, thoughts expressed by the representatives of slovakia and hungary, countries that , to put it mildly, currently do not support ukraine very much and look towards russia, for some reason, actually, what is important to note, yes, what, public statements by various public figures , mr. trump and musk , we have only one answer, this is not their territory, it is not for them to decide what we should do with our own territory, of course, what we understand when it comes