[000:00:00;00] they did not set themselves the goal of building afghanistan, they set themselves the goal of eliminating a certain terrorist group there , and they coped with this task, so when we talk about today's situation in ukraine, we must understand that in ukraine the issue of acceptable or unacceptable models of behavior in the international arena, and any scenario in the end of the war, which will go beyond the current international law, which is particularly reflected in this peace formula, are green. well, it will mean as a kind of carte blanche that those states, those the pillars of the current world order, well, by and large, they could not ensure compliance with this order by all participants, this is opening pandora's box and further, further, further will be, so in this context, after all, this is the case with each subsequent step between us and the united states

an increasingly strong connection is being built, and this means... that we are already sitting on the same plane with them, and the story, roughly speaking, is that this chair is not flying to new york, but the whole plane is flying, and that doesn't fly, well, it won't, of course, sir valentin, here it is actually worth reminding that not only us president joe biden in the first days of the terrorist invasion of israel supported the leadership, the country of israel and the president of ukraine despite the war, so despite the war, volodymyr zelenskyi was one of the first world leaders to express words of support , and was even going to israel and here, mr. bohdan, i would like to discuss this situation with the visit of the president of ukraine, because well, we saw a whole landing, a whole landing of european leaders, there were sunak, and scholz, and the president of the united states, joe biden, and macron , all of them have already visited israel and expressed their words of support in person, however, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelskyi has not been there yet, i remember that even some of my interlocutors said that this thesis, they said that the president

of ukraine was denied all of this, means that informational a psychologically special operation by the russian special services, but in the end the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro koleba , confirmed that it was incorrect to talk about the refusal of the visit, however, in israel they told volodymyr zelsky that it was necessary to wait, what is this request to wait connected with, because this is the answer, it came, if i'm not mistaken, either on the same day, or against the background of the telephone conversation of israeli prime minister netanyahu with the war criminal, putin. i think that, well, in our context , yes, let's say, yes, before hamas directly carried out these attacks on israel, we have a context of bilateral relations, well, it had a different dynamic, that is, yes, it was quite so wave-like, we expected from israel more and in the context of support, positioning and assistance, but no received this, and we had such

sensitive questions, yes, they remain, which we found... in a kind of bilateral relationship, but really, when this happened, such a terrorist attack directly in relation to israel, we as a country that directly fight, yes with terrorism and with russian war criminals, we expressed our solidarity support, while also expecting, yes, in the opposite direction , a corresponding reaction, it is restrained so far, i think that we will wait, again, how it will continue... these events in primarily in the middle east, so i wouldn't dramatized and did not emphasize as much as possible why , in fact, so far no such visit has been made in, you know, some of the leaders went to china , the war criminal putin was also there , representatives of the taliban, orban also went there, someone went to israel , for example, and here the question immediately arises, probably from our viewers too, but where is this about these two

camps. let's put it this way, which split up precisely against the background of the war, in the middle east, yes, where is volodymyr zelenskyi's position here, well , it's the same as that part of it went on a rampage criminal authorities, and the other part went to the gathering of law enforcement agencies that are fighting against these criminal authorities, that is, there can be no compromises here, that 's all, and as it was right, someone from the ukrainian police officers said about orban, i hope he washed his hands after that, that's why you also wouldn't dramatize the story of the president of ukraine, israel, who has not been visited yet, because after all, i still don't understand why, no, well, look, there it's not just about a visit, it's about what this visit has to be productive, that is, based on the results of this visit, we hope to receive something from israel, and israel

would like to receive something accordingly. from us and given the current situation, israel is probably not to the point of promising us something or helping us, plus israel still has its own problems. well, you can't consider this as just bilateral relations, which take place in a political vacuum, there are israel's relations with iran, there are israel's relations with saudi arabia, which, well, recently they tried to normalize, many connect this pranks, yes terrorists, just like trying to derail the agreements with saudi arabia, which could be a huge push for a settlement. it must be understood that between saudi arabia and iran there are huge frictions and huge problems, yes, i am not talking about the factor, sunnis, shiites, but about the fact that they have problems in the same yemen, roughly speaking, yes, that is, in them, well, many people try to present this muslim islamic world as something whole and monolithic, but this is not so, and again,

the specific relations of saudi arabia with by the united states, for example, relations in the field of opec, for example, well, mutual , the embargo on russian oil, roughly speaking, the positions of opec again, that is... this is a much more complex problem, it cannot be reduced exclusively to some kind of, you know, emotionally pleasant is it unpleasant for us to see someone there somewhere, there are very real pragmatic interests behind all this, and today , well, it boils down to the fact that, after all , the priority for ukraine and the priority for israel is still not the establishment of bilateral relations, that after all we we establish relations with... third countries, which in turn, well, perform the role of a kind of, well, transmissions, well, that is , roughly speaking, and we build relations with the states, and israel builds relations with the states, respectively, this is what makes us

connects, well, we are building relations with the european union and nato, and israel is building relations with the european union and nato, and this is also a configuration that connects us, but directly simply at the level of some interstate relations, well, so far we have achieved well, probably not what is desired, but more productive, but i'm sure that it's a matter of time, and realistically, i wouldn't dramatize how all of them told there, someone went, didn't go, wanted to, like some, started hysterics , well, i think that the one who most of all, the czech can make his gray-faced visit to israel and show that some ukrainian politicians are accepted there, thank you, mr. anton, let's go back with you as an economic expert, actually to this... amount of aid over almost 62 billion dollars, let 's try to estimate how much it is and on how will this aid be mostly spent when we receive it?

there, well, i think that it is quite difficult to talk about specific amounts in general, because part of the aid is not allocated between , aid that will go purely to ukraine, or israel or something else, and you need to understand that in fact the bill from the budget is a proposal of the white house , yes, and specific budgeting will depend on the legislators who will have to vote, that is, this is a request, yes, how much can this amount change according to your forecasts, or according to your experience? eh, can't change not only the amount, but also the purpose of payments, that is, the amount at the end can remain the same. but the purpose itself can be different, if we are talking about the sums that go to ukraine, it is 12 billion dollars for the ukraine security assistant initiative, which is logical, it is called that, and 18 billion dollars for

replenishment of warehouses, they are somehow, somehow will be distributed between israel and ukraine, but most of this money will most likely end up in ukraine. but again, not in the form of money, but in the form of weapons. for example, the united states has currently issued israel some of the shells that were reserved for ukraine, but they were territorially located in israel, and at the moment it was easier to give them to israel, which has a certain deficit there. also important, i think, is the amount that will be spent on cyber technical and intelligence support , but also on expanding production, this is actually a very important thing, because now everyone understands that the war of the future that both israel and the united states have been preparing for , it will be different from the real

war, which we will all face, we already clashed, israel has already clashed, and in the united states, most likely, everything is ahead, and for example, there was a problem there with the production of stingers, because they were not produced, because in the concept of war that existed before the start of a full-scale war before the attack on israel, yes they imagined the war somehow wrong. now it all needs to be changed, the production of weapons needs to be expanded and investments are needed for this, and $14.4 billion is also allocated for... there is also direct financial support for ukraine, of course, macro-financial, it will of course be received ukraine, it is 11.8 billion dollars at the request of the white house, well, in fact, from the point of view of ukraine, it is a huge amount, because all that is allocated to us personally by the imf, yes, it is 15.5 billion dollars there for 4 years, part of which we

already... already received, 10, just for a year from the united states, that's a lot, yes, you shouldn't think that if there are any problems there, if we don't get all the sums, then what we get is not enough, it's really a lot of money, purely for us, and it's only direct budget support, yes, besides that there are other supports, regarding our refugees, regarding additional programs of support or development of ukraine. there, in fact, large amounts of money are still coming in, that's why i think that actually purely from what we need to be able to get from the united states, the very request of the white house, it is big, yes, to what extent it will be supported and what part there will be 80% of ukraine, 85, maybe 75, this is a debatable question, but, yes , the most important thing is that, let's say, despite

the dispersion, yes, well, not dispersion, despite the support of both ukraine and israel, we will see what we see, which is great financial support is also planned for our state. thank you, anton shvets, economic expert, serviceman of the defense forces, joined our broadcast. mr. bohdan, finally, we have already spoken indirectly about the future of relations between ukraine and israel, and recently, yes, despite the fact that the leaders of israel do not yet draw direct parallels between hamas and putin, as one of the leaders of the party does , in particular netanyahu, recently ironically it happened that , ironically, speaking on rushed today, he turned to the russians and said that quote: russia supports nazis who want to commit genocide of our people, russia will pay, listen to me carefully, we will finish these nazis, we will win the war, and after that we will make sure that ukraine wins, we will make sure that you pay for what you, as russia, made the end of the quote, and mr. bohdan, tell me, in your opinion, whether israel will draw certain conclusions in its relations with

russia after the end of this war, because we remember that the same netanyahu, well, he tried, at least not that neutral, even warmer relations should be observed with war criminal putin. well, unequivocally, the current situation will change the relations and positioning of israel in the context of building future bilateral relations with russia. these are the first and second reasons why this actually happened within the framework of our bilateral relations, that is, yes, we expected more, but we did not always receive it in return from israel, or rather from the israeli authorities, because it has its own history, so to speak, of interpersonal relations between netanyahu and putin, it was quite long, let's say, and there is just the right context regional, that is, the middle east.

in this context, well, russia is also present, has always been, to one degree or another, and within the framework of this, i think, israel was also, so to speak, building its relations with russia, but in this complex, but my colleague also noted in such a complex middle eastern vector and direction, where there are different countries , where different interests are concentrated, where there are also influences of key, global players, and i think israel hoped that such its position in the context of the russian-ukrainian war, yes let's say, not quite troubling for the kremlin, maybe it will be an opportunity for them to protect themselves from, let's say, drastic actions, of their opponents, at least iran, and they saw, maybe, that russia also has certain contacts and

cooperation with this... state , that's why this kind of positioning, it will be dictated first of all by the interests of israel, that is, yes, the authorities, which are there, and the factors of patriots should not be excluded either, there are a lot of them, so this domestic political factor, it is also important, it should also be included in this one the whole palette is complex, relations between different countries and in particular our bilateral relations, thank you, an expert on international issues, joined our broadcast, thank you, thank you, mr. valentin, let's sum up, this is biden's address, first of all, why did it sound right now , and secondly, what was the main, key thesis: the democratic world against russia? no, the democratic world against the terror of terror against those who want to destroy the foundations on which today's world is based, and which

give us the right to call the modern world as civilized, that is, it is a cool phrase, someone wrote that while israel , well, ukraine wants to protect its citizens from barbarians, to protect civilization from barbarians, well, in russia and some other territories, local political regimes are trying to protect their barbarians from civilization, that's all, everything is very simple and this confrontation, it is quite self-evident, and you didn't get the impression that it was some kind of call to action from biden, that is, a certain acceleration of processes, because he emphasized on what america can pay more expensive later, these are obvious things, i will tell you more that america could already pay less, and the most important thing is that we would pay less if we had at our disposal sooner all those tools that reach us today, that is, we are talking about , first, let's start with anti-aircraft defense, first

, yes the sky over ukraine is closed, remember, the first yes, so to speak, our demands and appeals to civilized humanity, then, armored vehicles, then heavy armored vehicles. artillery, then aircraft, tanks, planes, well, these today long-range missiles, and that's all, it's very slow, i understand why we've already discussed, i don't want to repeat myself, but nevertheless it should be understood that after all, let's put it this way, this is a drag, it costs us very much, and really, if it could be overcome, roughly speaking, the same russian defense structures, when they had not yet had time to build them , if we had the necessary tools, then yes, we have these tools today, but the russians already have them appropriate protective structures, and we already lack these tools, we need them additional, as a matter of fact, well, and supplies and additional tools, so well, biden said everything absolutely correctly, but

i will repeat that this is really a call to action, but also an appeal to the citizens of the united states, secondly, it is also an appeal to you and me, that we will be supported. and thirdly, this is also an appeal to putin and the russians so that they do not harbor illusions, that something may change and that something will not be the way it is now, no, this will not change, there was enormous inertia in order to move the process from a standstill, but for today day and stop, well, all this machinery is simply impossible, that is how putin imagines , well, even more so, again... democratic regimes, which exist, in particular, the united states of america and our main partners, that is, simply explain even to their own voters , why did we get a bunch of resources here, as a result, we came to some strange , unacceptable ending options, well, it will be a collapse and a disaster for those political regimes, which , in fact, did not just show their support

for us, but actually provided such support, so believe me, the probability that we will soon see some dramatic... changes in the political elites in those states that support us, well, they tend to zero, i tend to think that we will continue to receive all the necessary support, yes mr. valentin , thank you for being with us today, it was a smooth valentine , a political scientist, thank you, we discussed such an inspiring speech by joe biden, we will watch its aftermath, and we will see who heard this speech and the words that he addressed, i did anyone not hear the workers of those airfields that were attacked ... where a lot of their military equipment, planes and personnel were destroyed, they are already somewhere listening to kabzon's songs, at his concert in hell, we give thanks for this, not only to the united states , and to the armed forces of ukraine, yes, who professionally perform their work, regarding the liquidation of the occupiers on ukrainian land, well, now

let's talk about information attacks, which also take place against the background of the situation we have at the front, focused that these these information attacks not only on ukrainians inside ukraine, not only on our partners abroad, but also on ukrainians abroad. in particular, we will talk about this with mykola balaban, deputy head of the center for strategic communications and information security. congratulations, congratulations studio, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. so, well, to destroy, let's say , the image, to destroy support for our refugees abroad, russia has been trying since the first days of the war, and we understand that some. let's say theses, some informational, psychological special operations are carried out precisely with targeting those ukrainians who were forced to leave their homes due to the war, you can name the following... the main most popular narratives promoted by russia regarding those ukrainians seeking protection and asylum in

europe. thank you very much for the question, look, we must understand that russian specialists in information operations, they work very systematically, and when they start, in fact, some of their information attacks in the environment and inside, in fact, ukrainians who are abroad, they always have many levels, respectively, these levels serve, or there they work with different narratives, for the russians, actually, this topic of discrediting ukrainians in europe, it is actually these , it is very interesting, they are very actively, very actively working with it, and here we can distinguish several basic levels, the first and this is the simplest, basic basic level - these are russians, these are ukrainians, who actually want to quarrel... ukrainians inside, that is, they enter various ukrainian chat rooms, various ukrainian groups in social networks, you know, ukrainians are quick to know, well, that is, we

we quickly know how to group by some problems, on some issues, on countries where ukrainians have left, russians enter these groups with the help of their bots, in various ways, and they start to make some quarrels between ukrainians, for example, there , who are you? well, that is, who left there, for example, from western ukraine, and in western ukraine it is not so scary to leave, and accordingly it is as if the first task or the first level is to quarrel among ukrainians , because they immediately start discussing which city is more protected, which is less, where is it from people are fleeing from the war, and from where you can not flee, because there is nothing terrible there, this is the first level, at the same time as this level, they serve the actual narrative to discredit ukrainians in those countries, in those cities where ukrainians

are, to show them as such uh - people, cunning people, who are just trying to find some kind of social, to find some kind of social assistance, not to work, although this is actually not the case, why is this narrative needed, this narrative is actually shown to show the limits of those western countries , in which they are ukrainians, look, you shouldn't help, you shouldn't support, because these people still have some bad intention towards your country, at the same time, as we know, these right-wing movements are very strengthened throughout europe, it plays a very the hand of these right-wing populists in europe, because it, they, they show them, look, this, refugees, it is not worth accepting refugees, at the same time, when this narrative, they try to copy it and show it to the russian audience,

what do you see, europeans don't really want the ukrainians flowed like that, but the europeans there are aggressive towards the ukrainians, and they also try to infiltrate ukraine with these narratives, that is, you see, one small topic at a time, it immediately has three three layers and , accordingly, three audiences around which these eyes actually work information... operations, we must understand that they are carried out holistically, that is, one certain narrative , it serves at once, several, several levels at once, mr. mykola, please tell me, it is mainly written by people, or is it mainly the work of bots is observed, because it is possible that there are some messages, they are duplicated , you know how it happens, or the pages are fake, are whole factories working, or are some specific people doing this work? well, look at people, people work in factories, that is, both people and bots, if you mean bots - they are

purely some kind of machine, well, that is, that some are entered by computer and they make some comments, that is, we see this combined, with on the one hand, there are people who throw in some irritating topics, and on the other hand, they can to comment or like, bots, when we talk about bots, that is, there may be some group behind this bot. uh, a group of people, that is, if we, that is, here we have to understand that the main thing is to grasp some topic that will divide, for example, as we have, one of the best, of the best examples, it is there there is a conditional german group, which discusses how to fill out documents, for the most part, how ukrainians fill out documents, and people share information among themselves, and one of the contributors appears conditionally there,

who writes or asks such a provocative question, that i am fleeing from lviv , help me organize to ... help me, how should i better prepare the documents, an absolutely provocative thesis, it is also written in russian, as a rule, we understand, that most people in lviv do not communicate in russian, and then the next post immediately, some answer is so very aggressive that how can you run away from lviv there, nothing is happening in lviv, so in this example, it is very similar, and and people accordingly start between by myself begins in this group, a quarrel begins between two , between two categories of people, or groups of people, some say, we are not, we must be yes, mr. mykola, let 's not have much time left, so let's be a little objective now deal with quick tips on what to do for ukrainians if they come across such messages on social networks, what to do , respond, argue or ignore, no,

look, ignore any messages that have namiki if you see them. they have with the aim of quarreling, that is, or simply turning the discussion from some kind of natural discussion , the discussion of some problem into a quarrel, but immediately you need to ignore it, the more you start entering into a conversation with a troll, the more you strengthen it and strengthen its own message. mr. mykola, we heard you, thank you for your advice and for talking about the possible threats that may await ukrainians abroad who open social networks and find such information there, in general, we remind our viewers by all means, you should trust official sources of information, do not look for the truth in anonymous telegram channels, and more often turn on the program where you see us in the frame, because we are trying just for you, yasya lepka and oleksiy homan were with you today, thank

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