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and atr, together with beraber, where we talk about the prospects of deoccupation of the crimean peninsula, and of course about the situation with our people. in crimea, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, and i welcome ayder muzhdabaev, my co-host in this program, ayder, congratulations, greetings, greetings, and we will start with the important event of this week, the parliamentary summit of the crimean platform took place, this is the second such event, where actually representatives from many countries, our partners, are working, i would like to believe that the real ones in case of deoccupation and for the deoccupation of the crimean peninsula. therefore , we will already announce today that we will have direct contact with the representation of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea in the person of the permanent representative tamila tasheva. we really

hope that ms. tamila will be able to find the time in order to tell a little more about what happened at this parliamentary summit. well, i will also announce our inclusion with a representative of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, with whom we will talk about the situation with the black sea fleet, and in general the situation in the seas, the black sea and the sea of ​​azov, how it changes in connection with, well, mildly speaking of uncomfortable conditions for the occupiers in crimea , well, ayder, let's probably start with you, for several informative reasons, as i like to do, maybe you will not agree with this. but i really like to start our programs with you from cotton cases or potential cotton cases, yes cases of loudness in the crimea, this week there were two such prominent moments, one of them, in fact, is october 22, at least it

was then in the evening that a rather vivid video was released. which they were able to analyze here... analysts, based on this video, managed to understand and, well, more specifically map the location, in particular the bastion air defense system, which is located in the district of sevastopol, with this bastion, our territories, the territories under the control of ukraine, are being fired at, and definitely , information that was obtained thanks to this video will give an opportunity to understand, and what can we actually do with this unpleasant story, and on the evening of october 24 , information appears about loud explosions in sevastopol, either in the sky or

on the ground, some local residents had their windows blown out that it was, well, so far we do not receive any pre-intelligence data, but the kremlin or pro-kremlin publications write that the base of the russian special forces could have been hit in the sevastopol district. we hope that a little more information about we will get this later, ayder, what accents did you place for yourself in the information picture that is being created around the crimea during the time that you and i have not seen each other on the air? well, the main impression is that really, as the representatives of our government say, crimea is already under the fire control of the armed forces of ukraine, so the occupiers have nothing to object to, they themselves admit it directly or in the midst of these talars. cotton, and the crimean language will be pamuk, pamuk after pamuk,

sevastopol turns into akyar, and it's simple, well, we can also see by their reaction, by they are not worried, there is no worry, it is calm, nothing is happening, what we see is that everything is actually happening as it should, and they have fear, and they understand that the crimean land is a land that is burning in them with their feet, and they are looking, here i am sure that it is so, that the center there, the guru or there, well, most likely, the guru, and the niru, the game, i apologize to the russian, the main intelligence department of the racist army, was really affected, i i think they understand that it's not just that, that it's all the work of our partisans, partisans. and in principle, no place for them,

where they could hide, in the end it won't be, it's just a matter of time, the presence of missiles, drones , their number is increasing, and crimea is becoming very, very, very inconvenient for them, very uncomfortable, and with what i congratulate them all, we talked about it since the 14th year, that someone else's land, the land will not be useful to you, it will not be for you, for comfort, for something for you... such a good thing in the next, next years, that's how it happens, and rightly so, by the way, on the crimean platform rifad chubarov noted, and he actually turned to those who for those who went to crimea and even named the number about a million people, i confirm, well, no one has exact data, but with, well , according to impressions, it is really so, about a million , there are a lot of people, anti-people, as i call them, she... went there and did not want to go and that was it

as at home, but we will have to go and we already have information that some people are gathering there under different names, i don’t know, for various reasons they are leaving the crimea and trying not to go there, that is , there is no longer a mass arrival and the reverse process has begun, and what i mean to all of you i also congratulate the occupiers in quotation marks, because they were warned, and you know what is important, uh, well, i already want to go to the crimean platform, if possible, that it took place in prague, prague is a symbolic city for the crimeans, well, in what way, symbolic, the fact is that once upon a time, the national leader of the kremlin rifat, i'm sorry, mustafa dzemir, went to prison, including because of support. the czech republic, during the time when soviet

tanks and soviet soldiers mocked the czechs, and once, you know, once upon a time they had such a former czech president there, who, it is true , changed his shoes after february 24, 2022, but before that he drank beer from putin, we, well, mocked of ukraine, in fact, and then billboards with faces appeared in prague. mustafi dzhemilev and his words that i once sat in a soviet prison for protesting against the occupation of czechoslovakia, and now the president of czechoslovakia, the czech republic, supports the occupation of my crimea, and you know, everything worked out in the end , and the president of the czech republic, another person who is now absolutely decently pro-ukrainian, who, well, he invited everyone to prague and, in principle, everything is moving in the right direction in the

direction, well, in which it should move, and i think that tamila will tell us a lot about what happened there, this time, well, i just want to, for the sake of justice, probably note that miloš zeman, so former, so former, there are no formers, the czech president of previous years, was really famous for his friendship with putin. in a certain episode of his biography, but as for the start of the large-scale invasion of the russian federation into ukraine, in principle , you did not expect it, but zeman took a rather unambiguous position, yes, he did not support it and advocated the support of our country with weapons, well, but less so, i would really like to pay attention to how important the topic of crimea is now being articulated by high-ranking officials in the countries of our allies, the minister of foreign affairs of the czech republic, jan lipavsky,

noted something interesting about crimea, within the framework of this crimean level. forms, let's listen. vladimir putin is not interested in parts of ukraine, he does not need peace. putin wants to destroy ukraine as a democratic and sovereign state. he wants it to obediently return to the influence of russia again, if he succeeds in this, he will not stop there. he will attack other countries with even greater appetite in order to destroy european security. architecture, and therefore it is the duty and vital interest of the entire democratic world to prevent him from doing so. and one more quote from yan lipavskyi, exactly four months ago i said that my vacation in the crimea was approaching. someone thought it was a provocation, others treated my plan as a curiosity or even nonsense, but for me it is the key to

ending russian imperialist ambitions in europe. when moscow will be forced end the occupation. crimea, it will not be able to block the export of ukrainian grain to the countries of the global south through the black sea. if russia stops controlling crimea, there will be no so-called russkamir, which is actually a new name for russian imperialism, which is several centuries old. that's why i'm looking forward to visiting crimea, not only to see the beautiful mountains, the chisarai palace. i want to visit crimea as a part of democratic ukraine, when crimean tatars can have all the rights on an equal basis with others. and freely choose their representatives. it 's really cool to watch how in 9 years the emphasis and understanding of the importance of the events that happened in 2014 has changed somewhat. actually, from such an unpleasant episode, which i would like to cover up and get away with such

a light version of sanctions, i am now talking about the crimean one. to the understanding that, in fact, the return of crimea under the control of ukraine is the end of the russian world, and in my opinion, this is simply the evolution of world consciousness. we are pleased to welcome tamila tasheva, permanent representative of the president of ukraine to the studio autonomous republic of crimea. congratulations, ms. tamila, glory to ukraine, health, glory to the heroes. tamila, i want to ask a very serious but big question, well, the fact is that now there are really non-standard conditions for holding the crimean platform, because the war, because the attention of the whole world, it is before the war and not only before our war, and before israel, there are many destabilizing factors now, but the main thing for us is, of course, ukraine, of course our crimea, and i want

you to tell me how the most important thing happened at this summit. precisely at the parliamentary one summits, what conclusions, what solutions, what proposals for the future, well, how does the world now feel about the deoccupation of crimea, well, in principle, it is one, one big question, and i want to hear it from you, it is from you, thank you, ayder , in fact, this is already the second summit of the parliamentary dimension of the crimean platform, let me remind you that the crimean platform works in several dimensions. this is a parliamentary measurement, this is a governmental measurement, which we already conducted for the third time this year on august 23, and this is an expert measurement, last year we conducted the first parliamentary measurement of the crimean platform, held it in zagora, i think the results, they were really very powerful, last year mrs. nancy polosi was

present, and in fact, it encouraged a large number of delegations, including...' to participate, this year, it was 47 countries, 69, 69 speeches, because very often two parla two chambers of parliaments of different states were represented, this also applies to the united states, this also applies to great britain, it actually applies to the swiss confederation, belgium, austria and so on, i will not everyone enumerate. i think the speeches were even more powerful this year, even than last year, despite the fact that it was the first year of a full-scale invasion, always if you... compare, for example, the government summit last year, the statements were stronger in my opinion, they were primarily related to the full-scale invasion and the holding of this second

summit within, after the full-scale invasion began, this year saw in the final statement, actually, as the issues that are related to the sanctions regime, as a condemnation of the actual unilateral withdrawal of the russian federation from the grain initiative, it is also about condemnation, the actual blocking of ports, what is actually different about the parliamentary summit, we see that the statements made during the summit itself, and the final documents, they are nevertheless, they are more powerful, because they are not so, you know, sometimes even diplomatic, yes, that is, parliamentarians can afford a little more than the government. i.e. presidents or prime ministers, actually ms. marquette, she is the speaker of the parliament of the czech republic,

she also called in her speech to create groups, crimean platforms in various parliaments, this was also very important, in my opinion as well, which is important in the final statement and in the final speeches, that these participants who at the parliamentary level joined the crimean platform, they declared that they will support ukraine in the reintegration plans of ukraine regarding crimea, that crimea will necessarily be de-occupied, that these states will constantly support ukraine in its aspirations for de-occupation, and actually will support including after we regain control over crimea in its restoration, both economically, socially, and humanitarianly. yes, i would like us, since the occasion is very suitable, to hear ms. marketa, pekarova adamova, the speaker of the czech parliament, live now, where she, in

the part where she spoke, actually about crimea and about, rethinking, including her country of what happened nine years ago. the illegal annexation of crimea in 2014 was the first direct and deliberate use of military forces by one state with the aim of seizing the territory of another state, and the lack of an adequate reaction to this by the international community, including our countries , was perceived in the kremlin as a sign of our glory, weakness, which aggressors always perceive as an invitation to attack. well, if we are completely fair and consider the course of the russian occupation ... systematically, then it would be good to also remember georgia in 2008 and understand that there are things that happen in history and they are very connected to each other, yes, ms. tamila,

i have a question on your way back from such events, you have an understanding that our partners are already looking ahead, are they still at the stage of understanding, perhaps, their not quite serious approaches to the events of 2014 . because europe, and democracies in general, differ from authoritarian regimes in that they are able to draw some conclusions, sometimes even from their own mistakes and, accordingly, not repeat them. actually, even last year, both at the parliamentary meeting, the summit, and at the second government summit, in every speech, in fact, we recorded that the leaders of the states or the heads of the parliaments talked about the fact that these are the facts, they drew lessons and conclusions from the events of 2014, probably that we can really talk about earlier events,

yes, we should also mention transnistria, we should really mention georgia in 2008, but about the 14th year, they mentioned that there was not enough reaction to the events of the 14th year, and actually this year we also heard about it, separately it is worth noting, in fact, that when...' we meet with our various partners , for the most part, which is true at the expert level, these are the heads of sinktenkos and so on, we hear the thesis that, you know, everything is not so clear-cut with crimea, in fact it is very important that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, and in the speech of the chairman of the verkhovna rada and many other heads of parliaments who are very close to us, there is a thesis that everything is clear with crimea, it is the land of crimean tatars, it is ukrainian land, yes, what. this territory has been colonized for centuries, in fact, and it is by no means the territory of russian military glory, and it is very important to repeat it in fact, because

for a long time there has been such an understanding that the territory crimea was illegally occupied, a military base was illegally created from it, which actually became a springboard for further offensives and occupation of other territories and a full-scale invasion . this is also used, it is very important, in fact, what you just said , that differences are becoming less and less, especially in connection with certain events of a security nature, which are now affecting crimea, ukraine is for the first time demonstrating a successful the use, in the future, of very long-range missiles, and well, we understand that many people noted that this, no matter how it turns out in the hands of ukraine, is something so punitive for crimea,

even such theses were heard, but it is clear that they are extremely unweighted and have nothing, accordingly, to do with reality. there were some warnings and hints that ukraine would receive weapons that could be used in the operational zone, specifically the crimean one, and what should one be careful about? during the summit, definitely not, we did not hear it, did not record it public speeches, but actually we insist on it every time. that crimea is the territory of the ukrainian state, where illegal military facilities are located, and they are a legitimate target for the ukrainian armed forces, because everything that happens on the territory of crimea, these military facilities, military bases, or the navy or the kerch bridge, they are working for the enemy now to kill civilians on the territory of the mainland. ukraine will never shell the civilian population of crimea, and actually. we urge

ukrainian citizens living in crimea near military facilities to move away from them, it is very important, and to move deep into crimea, or simply away from these facilities, therefore ukraine will not take any actions in relation to the civilian population, therefore that ukraine considers them its citizens, for the most part, yes, except for those who came to the territory of the peninsula and are there illegally, tamilos, this... took place against the background of the statements of mr. elon musk and trump, by the way, says, it seems that he also said something a little earlier about what should be given to russia, well, it was meant, first of all, they meant crimea and other supposedly russian-speaking territories, as they believe, this is an absolute lie, just equivalent to the lies of russian propaganda since the 14th year, there is not a single pingrutt, this

absolutely everything. absolute lies, untruths, manipulations, did you discuss, on the platform on the sidelines, or maybe during speeches, such and such statements of publicly well-known persons, and like this second question, it also relates to the first, how, what thoughts, opinions were expressed by the representatives of slovakia and hungary, countries that, to put it mildly, at the moment, do not really support ukraine and look towards russia, for some reason, actually, what is important to note, yes, what, public statements by various public figures, such as mr. trump, as well as musk, we have only one answer, this is not their territory, it is not up to them to decide what we should do with our own territory, of course, we understand that when it comes

to concessions, it is always about crimea in the first place, but if this position is clear in the ukrainian state, none there can be no territorial concessions, neither with regard to the donetsk and luhansk regions, nor with regard to the newly occupied regions, nor with regard to crimea, this is one of the points of the peace formula that was proposed by ukraine, yes, it is also about the withdrawal of troops, and this is the return of the borders of 91, year, therefore, no matter how influential and public figures these people are, we will stand on the principles of international law, on the violation of borders and the un charter, which concerns ider, slovakia or hungary, i cannot say, actually, well, what is important to say that the parliaments very often have a slightly different position than the governments, yes, or the opposite happens, so i can't say exactly, because i didn't specifically monitor only them, but