[000:00:00;00] it was important to state that to show the united states that you are doing anti-missile defense, that we have an answer to this, from the point of view, let's say this, if we take the narrow military expediency, the role of this kind of system in the system of nuclear deterrence forces, the system , their ability to provide a counterattack, i do not... think that these systems have some advantage over those that have already been created, in this sense, the expediency of their creation, well, in my opinion, is very, very doubtful, so, but nevertheless, you know what there are people who create these systems, there are some engineering tasks, probably, which need to be solved, that's why institutes are created there,

a special design bureau was created at the time. for the development of this petrel, that is, this is a whole process, which , again , it is not necessarily related to military, let's say, or strategic expediency, well then, continuing this topic, one more such, well, loud statement, or rather negotiations, which were known when rogozin, the former head of roscosmos, says what will he report... to putin about the fact that they want to adapt the soyuz space carrier in order to strike ukraine by attaching a 9 -ton bomb to it, and this seemed to interest putin, i am interested in what have you drawn conclusions about the adequacy of people discussing such projects? well, what, i, let me, maybe

i'll refrain. i was very surprised that there are dialogues of this kind, if they are really real, that people can discuss something in complete seriousness, and that is, well, even making discounts for it. what so to speak, there is a certain situation there, and somehow some people know the technology better and some less, even making a discount on it, but it is difficult for me to imagine that anyone at all can seriously take on this kind of projects, even keep in the main thing, that is, it is beyond the limits of everything, in my opinion, well, when we say

that such approaches are beyond the limits of the rational, then the question arises that they will be discussed anyway, and then how can it be evaluated against this background russia's approaches to the use of nuclear weapons, in particular, how you assess the risks, the use of nuclear weapons by the russian federation against ukraine and whether ukraine's actions to liberate crimea will be such a certain trigger that russia will respond. to such a decision, but here the situation is such that it is necessary to understand, first of all, that from the point of view , let's say, a purely narrow one, and the use of nuclear weapons, on the battlefield or there in the theater of military operations, has a special meaning , not even something special, but simply meaningless,

even if you look at it, it’s something to tell the scenario when ukraine will be able to create a real threat to crimea, that is, and how can nuclear weapons be used in such a way as to prevent it, that is, i do not see how it can be done, and - you see, even, as i understand it, in the course of this war, let's say, it's not that large concentrations of troops are not gathered anywhere, but as i understand it , even there, tanks don't gather in pairs somewhere, so as not to be destroyed, and that is in this sense, it is clear that the only one, in my opinion, is the only one an option, if you will, in which someone can think

about using nuclear weapons, this is to apply it... in some strategic sense, that is, to strike, so to speak, the opponent, the enemy, so to speak, which will overthrow him, so to speak, such a shock, that means the opponent, the enemy, so to speak, will surrender, well, in the sense of how it was done, say, well, in nagasaki's herasim at the time, that is, even though there too there is, that is, there is doubt that there are nuclear bombardments indeed, the decisive factor was the fact that japan capitulated, that is, if you somehow try to simulate this situation ... for the current, current war, then, well, i don't know, i also don't think that if someone thinks that the strike is on, well, let's say, on the civilian population

in the cities of ukraine, that it will instantly force ukraine to surrender, i don't think that this is a real prospect, that is, in this sense, but on the other hand, from now on it is perfectly clear that any application, that is, even, you saw, even the threat of using nuclear weapons, they unleashed a completely negative, clear negative reaction from all, practically, countries, and no one supported, that is, this idea, and if, god forbid, it will come to, so to speak, real use, it is clear that that is not , not that they will approve, but that is...' and i think that we will really be talking about the complete isolation, so to speak, of russia, because again, the attitude to this, everything has already been said, is completely unambiguous , that nuclear weapons, nuclear

threats, are unacceptable and not, that is, illegal and worthy of condemnation, and here is my last question, we have literally two minutes, it is that if ukraine kept some of its strategic nuclear munitions or tactical nuclear munitions there, what consequences would this have for ukraine, would it contribute to the security of our states, or vice versa, would have provoked such increased pressure on our country from those countries that, well, then signed the budapest memorandum, and then started hostilities anyway, well, here is the question, somodele очень сложный, поротум что история пошла бы ukraine somehow would have kept nuclear weapons, there would have been many problems, but even if such a thing were allowed, history would have gone in a completely different

way, but i will say this that i really do not think that the possession of nuclear weapons gives any country , indeed, provides some kind of security, and that is, well, if you look at russia , then, first of all, it is clear, well, yes, russia has nuclear weapons, that is, and - but for sure it is also clear that no nato, so to speak, was ever intended to occupy russia, and moreover, that is, yes, we can say that the possession of nuclear weapons allows, allowed russia to carry out this invasion. and that is, he does not allow, that is, he allows this to be carried out, that is, to wage this war, so to speak, with ukraine as

the only enemy, but what does this have to do with the security of russia, and i think that we all agree that russia would have been in a much better, better position if she had not been able to start this war, if she had started this war, because i don't see any signs from either side the fact that russia's state of security in russia has improved in some way since february 22, or even since the fourteenth year since the annexation of crimea, that russia's security in some way and in general the position of russia in some way has become better, this all goes so to speak, exclusively in down, and in this sense, that is, no, nuclear weapons do not give you anything, and this is simply true, no, no, there is no sense - by and large

, mr. pavle, thank you very much for your time, for your professional comments, and i will remind our viewers that pavel podvykh was on the air, this a researcher at the un research institute in geneva in the field of disarmament, and the head of the russian nuclear forces project. and then we will talk about our developments in the field of armored vehicles, but after the information block. oh, there are no potatoes, you’ll bring them already, ass, something has caught, i remind you, mother with the comfrey of dr. tice and you get back to work, ointment with comfrey, german ointment for pain in the joints and muscles, oops, comfrey restores movement, from pain in the joints and muscles , a natural base of comfrey from dr. thais, ask... in pharmacies, we wish you health and your family's pharmacy, may with 100 g of ham,

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almost all news agencies wrote about it and distributed a photo of a specialized novator armored car , which during a combat mission on one of the hot areas ran into an anti-tank mine, but the crew was not injured, and the car went for repairs, i hope, maybe it has already returned from this repair. of course, this is only one of the manifestations of the capabilities and characteristics of the novator machine. so we decided to ask in more detail. about this sample from developers and manufacturers, and now we have bohdan petriv, acting chief designer of ukrainian armored vehicles co., ltd., mr. bohdan, i welcome you live on the espresso channel, good afternoon, thank you for the invitation, i am glad to see you, what has actually been shown by the experience of the combat use of innovator vehicles, because we have, we know about this one example, maybe there were more such examples for different components, so

please tell me how this combat experience affects the improvement of the machine itself? well, i would start with the purpose of the car. it was intended for passenger transportation warehouse and for the transportation of all kinds of cargo. it is an armored vehicle that protects both the cargo it carries and people. er, it was designed as a multifunctional platform, using modular principles, in order to be able to use, on it, different variants of modules, or rep systems, or ppo. or other options, we used modules 12.7, 14.5 , put a hip, put an amulet from cabelch, that is , many options, and we have quite a lot of experience, because the machine

has been in operation since 2018, we received a lot of feedback, we work with the military all the time, the last information we have is this after all... uh, there were repeated explosions, because there are a lot of replacement areas, through which, well, areas through which our soldiers are trying to break through, and this is not a unique story, there were such cases , i think it was seen on the internet there already about ten times, and the car showed itself perfectly, there was also a story that fragments of a cluster munition hit the car, and the car showed itself in a whole lot of miracles. there was almost no penetration, glass the armor survived, all the armor survived, so here is some such experience at the moment, and is there any comparison with foreign machines that are currently used by the armed forces and perform similar functions, or are you trying to understand

what is better in foreign machines, what is better in yours, and in this way slowly change their own design for the better, here you have to understand that there is a different approach, there is an approach of nato countries that had experience of military operations in the middle east, and they have their own concept, their armored cars are armored mrab-type cars are large, massive cars that protect against explosions, and our company was developing such and such a car as soon as the aggression of the russian federation began in 2014. our company already showed such a car in 2015, it was a varta car. on the other hand, there is a concept that was adopted in the soviet union, they did not develop such massive armored vehicles , they made armored personnel carriers, well, armored personnel carriers for the transportation of warehouses,

they had a different concept, they are lower, they have a certain cross-country ability, but cars near high-speed, which performs maneuverable, fast work, there was no such thing, no one used it, in soviet terminology it was something similar to brde, but we tried to make, seeing how the conflict was developing, a very maneuverable car, very fast, which can be modularized quickly convert to the task that needs to be performed at this particular time, let's say this is our answer, the first for the xavi car, so that it is possible to make a multi-functional basis, which can then be converted already on the spot for various various modifications, and which are now in us units primarily use such machines, what are the tactics of their use on

the battlefield, well, very poor, let's say, now there are very diverse uses, they are used as forces. destination, ngu orders these cars all the time, the sbu requests such cars, these cars are very functional due to the fact that there is a pickup truck in the back, which, well, it is made like a pickup truck, there is a cargo platform in the back that allows you to transport a lot of necessary things, at the same time protecting personnel, tactics so... the difference depends on the modification, depending on the equipment installed on it, there are modifications with combat modules, these machines work as anti-tank. er means, there are various modifications there with modules that allow us to simply

support our troops when taking some window points there and when fighting the enemy, so the tactics depend on the modification that is in the car itself, and when we talk about the construction itself, we have that we have such a foreign foreign chassis, on which we put our such armored capsule and before this decision, according to the military needs, when we talk about the armored capsule, there were reports that you had to reduce its weight, but raise the armor struts due to the use of other types of armor there, which is used for this design, please explain, if possible to say whose armor is used and what is the maximum resistance of this capsule, which is used to protect the crew and the landing party. well, let me start by saying that when we were developing this car, we

collaborated at the development stage with the central research institute, and independently we carried out mathematical modeling of our armored capsule in order to understand, to make it as high-quality as possible, we use foreign armor, in this case it is swedish armor, and use, we can...' use various additional options composite armor in order to increase the protection class, it depends on the tasks, we wanted to make less armor and less weight in order to give the car maneuverability, there are a lot of areas at the front where you need to be very fast to move, because this area is under fire and in direct line of sight of the enemy, and we were repeatedly told even until 2022, where people could move there from one point to another, only thanks to the fact that they developed speeds up to

100-120 km off-road, that's why we planned to make an armored body, so light, and using foreign armor , which immediately comes with high hardness, with increased characteristics, that is, in fact , we have speed as an element of survival, and relatively speaking, it compensates there, in particular, not this one powerful armor, because the car is fast and it is just, well, invulnerable, and, just like that, we built our idea on the fact that it is more difficult to hit a fast object, and from fragments , well, if the projectile does not hit the car, but they will simply there are shrapnel somewhere on the side, our armor protection is enough to protect the world of shrapnel and so that the car is always in the hand, so that it does not stop, and this will help... to move, the main thing is to run away from the impact, so that the impact does not happen as such , and if it happened, then it was some splinters that will be at a certain distance, which will not be able to

pierce our armor, but when we talk about the chassis, about the engine, what is at the core? basically, we use the ford chassis, it is a very powerful engine, uh, it has a 6.7 volume, at least 330 horsepower, but we break it down to 380, we under... we strengthened the chassis, because off-road, that is, driving at a speed of 100-120 km /h is quite a lot, well, big loads for the suspension, i know cases where 140 was developed on off-road and sometimes it led to certain, let’s say, damage to the car, but it saved lives, we reworked, strengthened the entire suspension, reworked the chassis. where they could just strengthen it, where they looked for new solutions to improve this situation, well, i will say frankly

due to the fact that this use is very , very long, we have quite a lot of experience in operation, a lot of experience in working with parts, let's say frankly the last year, we no longer receive any questions about refinement, that is, we have already focused on the development of the next machine, taking into account this experience and the experience of the military, before i ask about the new machine, i want to ask about the engine, is it picky to fuel that show combat actions from the point of view of using, well, just the engine and fuel, were there any complaints? well, let's say frankly, all new cars require high-quality fuel, this is related to environmental regulations, but when we receive a chassis, we carry out special actions, we will not tell you which ones, which allow us to avoid this issue and reduce fuel requirements , but still it is desirable to use high-quality fuel, because

modern engines, on all models that we have, both foreign and ours, well, they need in order to obtain such high results and dynamic work, it is necessary to use high-quality fuel, but complaints from the troops about the fact that the cars had problems due to flooding did not come to me, i have never heard of such, but how a system of maintenance, repair, service has been built in the relationship between your company and by the armed forces, what will break down, what in this case... our military, call, call the ukrainian armored vehicles, is there another method of returning the vehicle to the combat team? look, there is a classic developed since soviet times the system, how does it work when there is a spill, well let's say, now, well it's a bureaucratic process that takes quite a long time, now we're trying, we've created our own

repair team that goes to the site, it's... based there not far from the zone hostilities, we accumulate certain repair funds, uh, if there is a problem , we are approached directly, from parts, people and we conduct direct work, i would like some more serious communication with the ministry of defense, but let's say, now the ministry of defense, i don't even think there's time for that in order for such a large number of repair problems to be carried out according to the bureaucratic procedure that we have developed, it is worth giving more , probably permits for the work of parts directly, because the parts cannot work there as directly as possible, they have financial restrictions in order to work , well, this is the burden that falls on ours, on the enterprises that manufacture it, and as far as we know, almost all enterprises work the same way as we do. mr. bohdan, and then

where is the company moving with new projects on the basis of the innovator or possibly on the basis of others years, what will happen next, how will the innovator himself transform and what will happen next? well, we have a lot of directions, let's say this, we are a company that specializes in the production of armored vehicles, as well as artillery, both ammunition and mortars, we are widely represented on the market, we have an idea for making another new mrap, more there is a better performance with an understanding of what happened before and with an understanding of the experience that has already been obtained now, in the conditions of war, we have already developed a new modification according to the novator, it has already been presented and we are preparing for going out for testing and adopting it into service, this is a ten-seater innovator, it will be in several versions with different modules, i

think that by the end of the year it will be all these issues will be completed, we put a sample at the exhibition in poland, e- well, we are also engaged in the modernization of armored personnel carriers, we are also trying to make some kind of set of tools to quickly modernize armored personnel carriers, of which we have a lot, but let's say this, according to their characteristics, they are , well, this is a development of the 50s, and it is clear that they are significantly different from very unsatisfactory of our military both in terms of dynamic characteristics and in terms of protection. personnel, well, we are working with other solutions, we are looking for opportunities to repair foreign equipment, of which we have a lot, and it is damaged, it needs to be repaired, we are working with foreign suppliers, in order to supply these components, so that the troops are provided both with zips and repair, repair equipment, well, somehow, mr.

bohdan, thank you very much for the inclusion, for your interesting explanations, and i will remind ours that it was bohdan petriv, acting chief designer of ukrainian armored vehicles, which supplies a number of weapons systems for the armed forces, these were the key fragments and elements of our military program, and then stay tuned to the espresso channel. it's 2:00 p.m. in ukraine, for your attention , a news release on the espresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, i greet all viewers and we start with the situation in the kherson region, where a man died due to shelling by russians. the occupiers targeted the