support the armed forces of ukraine. it was velikiyter, i say goodbye to you until monday at 6:10 p.m., and now the verdict is literally in a few minutes. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. butchers for hamas in russia, putin was once again buried, and orban and fico are jokers in the kremlin deck, we talk about this and other things today in the program. 50 billion for ukraine, what are the key topics of the eu summit in brussels? orban and fitso are trolling the west, which will the european union do or appease putin's friends. gluing a broken cup, what can i do.

china and the us agree. the death of the russian dictator? why is the kremlin actively playing the game, is putin dead or not? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests. our first and most important guest is the politician and diplomat volodymyr ogryzko. our special correspondent in brussels, who worked at the eu summit, will also be in touch with our studio. tatiana vysotska, and dmytro didora, our correspondent, who is currently in nikopol, today i spent the whole day in nikopol, which is under attack from the russian invaders. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video about the consequences of the russian invaders' attack on the izyum fire station. earlier, they fired two missiles, iskander mm missiles, and eight rescuers were injured. and the damaged building

of the fire and ritual division of the state emergency service and a number of residential buildings, let's see.

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the visit of the hamas delegation to the kremlin, because 2 and a half weeks have passed and hamas came to russia. on october 7, on putin's birthday, hamas struck israel and committed a massacre on the territory of the state of israel, today a member of the hamas politburo marzouk says that moscow, they will discuss the future of the region, which is different from the one painted in the united states of america, or obvious, mr. vladimir , for the world there is a connection between putin and hamas, you know, mr. sergey, you now they were talking about all these things, and something reminded me of a soviet-era formula that the soviet communists hammered into everyone else's heads, and it sounded very simple: we say party, we say... party, we say

party, we understand lenin, that's about it the same thing, you can safely change the words party, lenin to hamas and russia, and draw a conclusion. that it is actually one and the same, because even people who are far from such, you know, details, just by analyzing elementary things, will come to the conclusion that this action 7 in october was prepared, prepared in advance, prepared thoroughly, prepared with the help of the special services of russia and iran, not only the special services, but also military instructors in one and another country, and then exploded at the moment when russia found it necessary, and why

necessary, necessary because it was necessary to urgently divert attention from ukraine, from what is happening here , to promote one's agenda and, to try to re-profile, so to speak, the attention of the west from ukraine to israel, it was partly successful, but i think, in fact little reverse effect, because the world saw that the events in ukraine, the events in israel, and the possible events that could explode anywhere, there in transnistria, again in the post-stratlian space, where there were hot spots many, and not those. only russia is there, so i think this is a pyrrhic victory for the kremlin, he actually only strengthened the feeling in the world that this half-empire must be finished, and there is the reaction of john kirby, the coordinator of strategic communications

of the white house, to the visit to moscow, the top management let's listen to hamas, i can't talk about their travel habits, or... about their conversations with russians. our message to every country in the world is this: this is not the time to in any way support hamas' ability to continue killing israelis. of course, any nation that wants to be involved should look for ways to help israel defend itself and help get humanitarian aid. so we'll see what comes out of this conversation. chasno, when the senior leadership of hamas visited russia, the deputy minister of foreign affairs of iran flew there, but we know that the head of the foreign ministry of iran, hossein amir abdolakhian, said that he does not welcome the expansion of hostilities in the middle east region and said that

the united states and israel will receive fire if the fighting against hamas in the gaza strip continues, well judging by the latest reports, there, i am i understand that communication and the internet have already been cut off in palestine and israel is obviously preparing for a ground operation, in your opinion, how likely is it now that iran will start a war in the middle east against israel and the united states of america, because there are two there are aircraft carrier groups of the americans, what consequences will this have both for the middle east, and for ukraine in the context of another war on the world map, well, i will start by saying that in my opinion, this is the reaction of mr. kirba, as always is weak, i.e., well, these are talks about, so to speak, about tourists, about political tourists, well, he once said that wherever they want , there, you know, this, this is not, this is not, is not the reaction

of the country, which is the strongest in the world, i cannot get rid of the impression that there are still afraid to put the aggressor on place, and this actually provokes the aggressor to go further, well, we have seen it in history, we have seen it both in distant history and in recent history, but this tactic, some kind of appeasement, some kind of warning, instead of once and for all put a full stop, she, she, is actually the cause of the uncertainty from which everyone suffers, that is, well, imagine, so iran suddenly declares that it will start hostilities, actions in favor of

hamas, well, come on, well, even here even you can't compare it, it's not even an elephant and moscow, it's an elephant and i mean the usa, hamas, the usa, and the same iran, yes, iran has something, but it's something, it's 0.0 and there, a lot of zeros. then some unit of what the usa has , especially since you absolutely rightly said that it was no accident that they pulled two aircraft carrier groups into the mediterranean, which means that a few hours and this whole armada, which is a terrible force, it begins to act in such a way that, as they say, there is nothing equal, exactly nothing in the territory where she goes, where she flies, where she works, that is... uh, no, no, it is not for iran to set conditions for the americans, and it

is very bad , that americans, instead of to respond to these calls, to iran, and to these provocations in an appropriate manner, they are responding, well, in my opinion, palely, not as it should be, uh, in terms of whether it can provoke a war, no, it cannot provoke a war, because, because there won't be this war like that... after the first day of the use of american armed forces against hamas and against iran, by the way, israel, i don't know if you've seen this footage, is already conducting an actual ground operation, is already destroying these tunnels, which were dug there like moles by hamas terrorists, and this is actually the beginning of this operation, so iran is already late in this regard, the operation is already underway, it just does not proceed in the way it usually does, it happens that

there is some kind of full-scale, wide invasion, this is the point so far operations, which actually have that the very effect, so i think that we do not need to be afraid of this so-called, verbal escalation of iran, and i think that our american partners should clearly and clearly for...' that, god forbid, iran moves somewhere there, from its the military industry committee, in a couple of days, there will only be mentions, and by the way, it would be, i think, a very justified policy, because iran is getting closer to getting nuclear weapons, some representatives of western intelligence believe that it is literally a few steps away from such a decision, and what's more, it is now, well, in fact free any limitations, limitations in

terms of missile technology, therefore, the destruction of such potential would benefit both the united states of america, and israel, and the entire region. mr. volodymyr, this week in the context of what you have already said, one of the republican leaders in the united states senate. mcconconn is quite a cautious person, like me, he is quite cautious in commenting on the situation both in the united states of america and in the world, he said that now there is a new bad news, he said that russia, iran and china, you need to take all this as bad news, which threatens, including the united states of america, not without restraint, about this, as mcconnell told me, does this mean that. mcconnell is trying to warn both russia and china that if the situation in the middle east escalates,

so that they don't get involved on the side of iran and uh, so that they don't, let's say, create this axis of evil, because the united states of america will perceive this as a party against which the united states of america will use military force? well, i would add here. among these three, the fourth is north korea , which, by the way, very actively helps one of the poles of this pendulum, namely russia, to wage its war of aggression in ukraine, so that without this point the axis of evil will be incomplete, well, not adding to it there are some point elements, this axis in the form of a conditional cuba there, venezuela there or something like belarus, belarusians

, absolutely, therefore, therefore, i think that, er, we should really talk about, chizla, which is actively forming, or which has already actively formed, because the actions of all these countries, they... indicate that they are united by hatred of western civilization, they are united by hatred of democracy, they are united by hatred of human rights. they want to build their totalitarian imperial world, so in that regard, well, senator, in my opinion right, and here i think he is simply talking about what is actually being completed or has already been completed, that from this, you can, what

conclusions would you draw from this, the chinese and well , first of all, the chinese, i think they would do it if, so to speak, they looked a little ahead, they would draw a conclusion about what is actually better, step back and try to negotiate, which actually, i think, is happening now, look, it is still being prepared , and it is seriously being prepared meeting of the leaders of china and the united states of america, and it seems to me that the americans have every opportunity to explain one simple thing to sijipinu, that if we, that is, the united states of america and china, will look for compromises and ways of normal coexistence, then we can

really influence the development of events. all over the world, if we fight and look for ways to, so to speak , get each other, then we can go into a very negative stage of relations not only bilaterally, but also at the global level, so it is better to come to an agreement , it is better to understand the weight of each other, and the weight, well, i will tell you, is huge, the usa, and the usa and china alone together, uh, they give, well, more than 40% of the world gdp, well, where is russia with its, percentage there, or a percentage with a tail there 2.0 or 30, uh, it is not even visible with binoculars, only

the nuclear potential gives it the opportunity to blackmail the world and so on, that's all. this, this, a trifle that you can't even pay attention to, but these two countries really can, if they find a common language on the basis of common sense, international law and what the world stood on in the last decade after the second world war , then it can happen really a prologue to a more or less normal world order, so it seems to me that china is the second very important pole in this axis of evil, but the pole, well, in the context of the russians, they want it to be unreliable, because simply even such a superficial analysis of the situation tells the chinese that they are better off not to escalate with the event, because they will only lose from it. mr. volodymyr,

we will talk a little later about the united states of america and china, about the prospects for negotiations of what may be meant by the meeting between biden and xi jinping. now we will be in touch with tatiana vysotska, she works in brussels and was at the european union summit today, tatiana, good evening, good evening serhii, glad to see you, good evening studio, tanya, tanya, what happened today, let's explain to our viewers, because a lot of different information. and the fact that they were going to agree on the allocation of 50 billion euros of macro-financial assistance to ukraine was not agreed, it was postponed, if i am not mistaken, to december, and of course, fico and orban were also at this summit, and these are two such jokers in putin's sleeve, and

they constantly try to explain that there is no need to help ukraine, there is no need to give such a large amount of money, there is corruption , because, well, we will be exhausted, because we do not know what to do to our people, tell them about it, what happened and in what way, tell them please, and therefore, first of all, the fact that at this summit they were going to agree on 50 billion euros for ukraine is not quite the case, because the summit program planned that the initiative to allocate 50 billion euros for ukraine would be discussed, but the final decision would be made under time the next summit of the european council, which will take place on december 14-15, also here in brussels. and during the next month, more negotiations will be held with each member state of the european union, two meetings of the council of the eu will be held, this is another body that also

deals with the allocation of financial aid to ukraine, the meetings of the council of the eu will be held in november 2023 and on the eve of the summit on december 12 of this year, that is, the big process is still ongoing and no decisions were planned to be made at this summit, another thing is that, of course, orbán and shitso came out as a united front against granting aid to ukraine, fito generally called ukraine the most corrupt country in the world, and orban said that ukraine will not win the war and that it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table with putin, that is , both leaders of these countries showed themselves as expected of them, and in fact, those who, aware of the progress of the closed discussions during the summit, they unanimously declare that, except for orban and šitsa, all other leaders of the european union states support 50 billion euros, and it has already

become a matter of principle for the european union to continue supporting ukraine, and therefore to december one way or another, despite all the statements that orbán is a fizo, both leaders of the states must be convinced, and in december they still support... eur 50 million for ukraine and the continuation of the financial support of ukraine by the european union. another topic for the leaders of the european union is the use of frozen assets or frozen money that are in the accounts of western banks, or that are in papers that are also placed in european banks, we are talking about 300 billion dollars that belong to the russian federation. and the conversation about it has already started, and the only question is in what way and how this money will be used, as i understand it,

judging by the messages coming from brussels, the european commission should put forward the relevant legal proposals also at the beginning of december and it will be clear , how it will be possible to use this money by ukraine, including for the restoration of part of the destroyed east and south. what, what is known about this, ah, you have absolutely rightly noted that currently the european council has called on the european commission to present concrete mechanisms by which in this way, the european union can use the frozen russian funds to direct them to the reconstruction of ukraine, and the head of the european commission, ursula funderliayan, has already announced that for now it is only about interest income from that money. which are in bank accounts and these revenues will somehow be redirected to the budget of the european union

and from there to the budget of ukraine, i.e. this is the scheme that the european commission is considering so far, but let me remind you that last week the issue of not simply using revenues from frozen russian money, but also to develop a confiscation mechanism, this is also currently being worked on in the european union: it is more complicated legally, but let's hope that they will succeed. thank you, tatyana, for including us, it was tatyana vysutska, our correspondent who works in brussels, she followed the progress of the european summit of the european union. mr. volodymyr, we return to our conversation, we are in touch with a politician, diplomat and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, volodymyr ogryzko, we ba... how at this summit orban suddenly got fico as a duet, because fico was this week promoted to the position of prime minister of slovakia, fico

said that bratislava will not provide military aid to ukraine, and during a speech before the parliamentary committee on european affairs , just before the summit in brussels, he literally said the following, let it be better for 10 years of peace negotiations, meaning ukraine and russia, than for 10 years of killing each other without any result, and fico added, the future of ukraine and peace in ukraine have to decide two states, russia and the united states of america, well, it seems that fizo did not say anything new, because he repeated it repeatedly during the election campaign, and in the previous term as prime minister, he also took approximately the same position, what do you say about these two. trojan horses in the european union and what to expect from them on our european euro-atlantic path.

well, we will have to wait for quite unpleasant things, and we must immediately tell ourselves clearly and realize this, that is, well look at what orbán is doing now with sweden's entry into nato, that is, you can, you know, cling to anything, because there is nothing to cling to, so they invented that some swedish politicians have a bad opinion about the legal system. well, well, well, what else can be said about this politician, this, this gentleman whom you are now showing, showing, he is also the same populist, well, of the highest caliber, if you can say so, a populist who, well, actually , and earlier, when he was in the positions of prime minister, and even more so now he will perform,

what they will say in moscow is that one and the other are really, you say correctly, trojan horses of the kremlin, which receive indirect but indirect funding, and probably received it before, and it should be said the same way, i am the only one , which really surprises me, why, european politicians, why, uh, the european council, the european parliament, the europeans, the european commission, are thinking for so long about the fact that these politicians are actually undermining the foundations of what is called european solidarity, well look, in europe there is such a concept as a common foreign and security policy, well, this means that the countries that, so to speak, have sworn

... to be members of these unions, they must, they must, they cannot, they must comply of a certain line, if the countries violate these agreements, then it is probably logical for other members of this association to say, dear friends, either, or, either you return to what you signed up for, or we forgive you. and in this regard, i very much support the statement of borel, who clearly and clearly said na orbán's absolutely absurd statement that hungary in the european union is the same as hungary under the boot of the soviet union, so the question is in the question, if this is so, then let's leave, join the allied state of russia, belarus, you will get something from this

once again officially. openly receive god's advice, but then why stay in these two unions and actually undermine them from the inside. i really hope that finally, after deliberations, considerations, weighing, re-weighing and so on, the european commission will finally decide on a different order adoption, sorry for the taptology of decision-making, because the fact that these countries, these unions ... the consensus means that such trojan horses, and there may be many of them, moreover, let's also think about the perspective of the western balkans, where serbia is being dragged into this european union by the ears, by the hands, and by the legs, then these communities will simply cease to function effectively, if the trojan horses of the aggressor will carry out the policy of this

aggressor inside, so i hope that finally a decision will be made, and likewise your colleague from brussels spoke about the fact that they are now deciding how to work with russian frozen assets, well , how much can be decided, why not take the examples of belgium or estonia, which have already found legal mechanisms, how to do it, why not can be done at the level of the european union, as a union , that is, unfortunately, this indecision, this bureaucracy, it, it actually, not only hinders us, but it actually hinders the european union itself and nato. we will listen to mr. volodymyr, what orban says about the future of ukraine and about how hungary does not want to finance ukraine, and about the fact that

the ukrainians will not win. during the current war, let's listen to orbán.