[000:00:00;00] and likewise, your colleague from brussels spoke about the fact that they are now deciding how to work with russian frozen assets, well , how much can be decided, why can't we take the examples of belgium or estonia, which have already found legal mechanisms on how to do it, why can't this be done at the level of the european union, as a union , that is, unfortunately, this indecision, this bureaucracy, it, in fact, not only hinders us, but it actually hinders the european union itself and nato. we will listen, mr. volodymyr, to what orban has to say about the future of ukraine, about how hungary does not want to finance ukraine, and about the fact that ukrainians will not win during the current

war, let's listen to orbán. i don't know about europe, but i am convinced that hungary has neither the opportunity nor the desire to finance ukraine, because i see no reason for us to direct taxpayers' money to support ukraine, today everyone knows, but does not dare to say out loud, that the strategy of the eu failed it is obvious that it will not work, the ukrainians will not win on the front line, every military expert says so, but politicians don't want you yet, mr. volodymyr, this is a person who heads the state , which receives the largest subsidies from the european union and says that we are not going to help ukraine, he himself takes a lot of money from the european union, but says that we are not we will help ukraine, and how can hungary help ukraine? well, you see, i just wanted to add what he

forgot to say when he talked about military experts, i forgot to give the word of russian military experts who believe that ukraine will not win, and the experts, who realistically assess the situation on the battlefield, taking into account the possibilities of providing ukraine with all the necessary weapons, for some reason think a little differently, and this difference lies in the fact that if ukraine receives what is needed in the right quality, then russia will is really forced to leave crimea, and the south of ukraine, and the east of ukraine, if she does not want what is there to be simply physically destroyed, so here it is simply necessary to clarify who this gentleman is referring to, and in relation to that he

receives and is very interested in receiving funds, this is an absolute fact, and this, by the way, mr. seriu, is another very important tool that the european commission can use to change his point of view, you see how the situation is now, he is even against it, no that 50 billion euros for ukraine, he is even against giving ukraine 500 million, aid that is about to be actually approved, and raises questions. yes, well, i agree that we will give 500 million to ukraine, and you will give, you, that is, the european union, the european commission, eh, give us something like 15 or 16 billion, actually, it reminds me, you know, of such and such a market form, a form of interaction, that is, you give us many times more, and we will agree that we will give your money

ukraine has many times less, well, this is the logic that the hungarian prime minister actually promotes, i don't know why this logic is still, i repeat, once again liked by officials, officials in brussels. together with orbán, the same policy is supported by the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, peter szijártó, he visited minsk, spoke with lukashenka, in including about the war in ukraine, about what the european future should be according to let's hear what siyarto said about lukashenko, lukashenko, to be more precise. the european union, although i understand that

the pressure is from overseas. if the europeans wanted, we could finish it, akarnák, akkor ezt a háborot észéhetnenk és megegye. mr. volodymyr, how can it be explained in general, here are the voters of slovakia and the voters of hungary, because both orbán, fitso, and szijjártó are the people to whom power was delegated, the citizens of these states, and these states at the time suffered quite seriously from the soviet union, and were under control for a long time. with the ssr, eastern europe, in general, how can it be explained that the voters choose those politicians who gravitate more to moscow than to brussels, uh, well,

you see, mr. serhiy, in the case of slovakia, the situation is not so simple, because , well, if one of the parties that participated in the elections had made a different choice and joined a coalition... with those who are there today in the opposition, well, let's say with the previous government, then fizo would never have been a prime minister 'is-minister, that is, the number of people, about which you are talking about, in fact, in the same slovakia it does not exceed, well, the conditional 20-25% there, well, this is what is actually in all post- socialist countries, there are categories of people who liked socialism. just as we still have people who liked soviet socialism and life in the soviet union, well, that's true, even today statistics say that there are 5-7% of ukrainians who believe

that it was good under the ssr, and you you can't do anything about them, it's, it's a way of thinking, so to speak, so, well, actually... we have eyes, pervert democracy, when a party that gains far from a majority, that has the same, there a fifth or a fourth part of public support, becomes the leader, and its leader holds the position of prime minister, eh yes, that is unfortunately, that which at one time also brought hitler to power, because he, he, was elected , although again not by an overwhelming majority, but in the meantime it happened, the only thing we must understand is that slovakia and hungary , since they are incorporated into the eu and

nato, well, they can't afford it, really extremist, let's say things like that, that is, they will block, they will insert... fingers in the wheels, they will look for absolutely any inadequate, not unreasonable arguments, everyone will see it, it will all accumulate, and ultimately brussels will put an end , well, the only question for me is why this point has not been raised for so long and why these two politicians, well, do not feel that the money is in fact, and you are right about it, they receive... pan-european cash, and this cash are clearly not filled by hungarians and clearly not slovaks, these are completely different countries, but look, the ones who shout the most that we should do something are the ones who

get the most from these european funds of funds, so this is typical populism, on the one hand, and on the other hand, it what they are prescribed from moscow, and they do it because, i think, they are sitting on very direct and clear subsidies that they receive from moscow. thank you, mr. volodymyr, let's continue our conversation, after including our correspondent from nikopol, dmytro didora is there, he saw the consequences of the enemy attacks on the construction of a new water pipeline, we include it in our conversation. dmytro, congratulations, please tell me how the situation is in nikopol and at the bottom. i know that you are now in zaporizhzhia, how do people live in conditions of constant shelling, because the russians are constantly taking nikopol and constantly shelling the zaporizhzhia

region, greetings sergiy, greetings to our viewers, we are actually in zaporizhia now, we came here on a business trip to film that , what the russians are doing, today they worked all day in nikopol, and indeed, according to the locals, the enemy three times a day they shell nikopol during the day, as they say, in the morning, at noon and in the evening, until it calms down, they can even shell at night, when the local population is asleep and cannot get to the shelters, for example, and operational information from the nikopol region, today the enemy shelled nikopol from the artillery, a child was injured, the boy was five years old, the woman was also 58 years old, they are in the hospital, their condition is average, they are now receiving all the necessary medical care, 10 private houses were damaged, one

farm building was destroyed, three more... damaged, 20 solar panels were also broken and power lines were damaged, this information appeared when we had already left nikopol, we saw, we had time to see the consequences of the flights that were earlier, in particular , we talked with mrs. larisa, her house, next to her house , a shell fell and damaged the house, let's hear her about the consequences. everything flew around the yard, fragments scattered, they collected and the bodies came, everything was collected, everything was dug out of holes and everywhere , here, well, the fence was damaged, the house, here is the window,

the glass flew out, what else is possible, well, it was very it’s scary, after the russian hydroelectric power plant was blown up and in kryvyi rih in general there were problems with water supply with drinking water, but the government allocated money to build a main water pipeline, and we saw one today, how it is being built, we talked to the workers, so the materials, the pipes themselves, they brought from spain, there will be a total of three sections of the water pipeline, which will be able to pass about 3,000 cubic meters of water, and the total length of the water pipeline will be 87 km. to ensure manganets, nikopol, pokrov and the crooked horn. today we saw a plot which they are building precisely in nikopol, and there their area is 41 km. they say that they are conducting hydraulic tests so that everything is intact, but they are also suffering from russian shelling. let's hear the workers. we will make about 80-90 pipes per day. down there, near

the reservoir, where we will connect. we very often come under fire, we put on bulletproof vests, helmets, that is, risk our lives too, no matter how much we want to, but we do everything in our power, regarding zaporizhzhia, let me say a few words, the people here continue to live, it's almost 9 p.m., but the city center, as you can see, is alive, cars are driving, people are walking around the square, and here 's a big report... about nikopol, watch tomorrow at 9 p.m., in the news, the results of the week, i'll tell you there detailed information on water supply and other problems of nikopol, as of now i have this information for you, serhiy. thank you, it was dmytro didora, our correspondent, who visited nikopol today and is now in zaporizhzhia. mr. volodymyr, back to our conversation, friends, i remind you that volodymyr is with us today ogryzko, a politician, diplomat and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, we see that the russian federation continues

to attack the infrastructure facilities of ukraine, this week there were flights over khmelnytskyi region almost every night, and these flights had serious consequences for the region. zelensky hinted that ukraine will strike at the infrastructure of the russian federation, that we will respond. previously, the west was quite cautious... about such a prospect, saying that ukraine should not strike with western weapons on the territory of russia, so as not to provoke moscow for an answer, tell me if in the middle east israel does start a ground operation in the gaza strip, and this is also israel's response to the attacks by hamas, can the west change its position regarding the strikes

on ukraine. on the territory of the russian federation? well, israel, we have already said, mr. serhiy, has actually started this operation, it is being carried out, it is being carried out point by point, it is being carried out very successfully, it seems to me, because those mole holes that the terrorists have dug in recent years, and through which they supplied , all necessary for the terrorists in order to... they committed uh, this terrible massacre on october 7th , they are destroyed and destroyed by eh very powerful eh armor-piercing bombs, which, well , actually, make these tunnels into graves for those terrorists who are in they exist, and it is right, i think that yes

, you need to behave with those who commit atrocities, who do not have, who do not have, so to speak, names, this is exactly what the russians are doing in ukraine, so... i think the answer here should be exactly the same, and we need not be afraid to explain to our western partners that without destroying the temporary airport 200 km from the border with ukraine, we will not be able to ensure the security of ukrainian territory itself, because it is obvious even to a non-specialist that we tolerate the fact that they use all their opportunities and only defend, then we will never win, that is the question, if the west wants us to constantly defend, and russia constantly advances, then such a tactic, well, is quite

logical, if the west wants us to defeat russia, were not given the opportunity to do what what it does, the tactics must be different, then we must destroy. its russian, airfields, bases, equipment, everything that does not give them the opportunity to commit their crimes, so here it is necessary to ultimately make a decision, whether the measure for the victory of ukraine, or the measure for the non-defeat of russia, is based on this political decision then everything else is practical, i really hope that after providing ukraine with the first atahans missiles and taking into account the encouraging statements coming from both our sources and not our sources, we can hope that the next ones will be missiles that will fly on

300 km, and the very use of such missiles against objects inside the russian federation will mean that they will have to move their... er airfields much further into the territory, this will mean that the approach time will take much longer, and this in its turn will mean that our air defense and anti-aircraft forces will be ready to fight back, so there is an obvious logic here that we should talk about, and all the more so that there is still hope that we will use not only western weapons, but also own, and how will we...' use it our own weapons, no one has any political or moral right to indicate to us, this is our decision, which is taken only by our ukrainian military leadership. mr. volodymyr, we have already mentioned the role of china in the current situation, the world situation, and

today, we know that xi jinping's visit to the united states of america and the meeting with joseph are being prepared. biden and today , it became known that wang yi, the minister of foreign affairs of china, at a meeting with the secretary of state, anthony blinken, stated that both china and the united states the americans should conduct a dialogue, and before that, the chinese foreign ministry issued a statement citing xijin ping, who said that the fate of humanity depends on mutual understanding between china and the united states of america, let's hear what wang yi said at the meeting with blinken. china and the united states should engage in dialogue. the dialogue must not only be renewed, but also deepened and comprehensive, so that through dialogue we can improve understanding, reduce misunderstandings and misjudgments, constantly strive

to expand the points of contact and continue win-win cooperation so that we can stabilize china and the united states and return to the path of healthy, stable and sustainable development. you can often hear harsh statements about sino-american relations, but china treats them calmly, because we believe that the rightness or wrongness of the actions of an individual party is determined not by who has a stronger hand or a louder voice, but by whether the country behaves in accordance with the provisions three joint sino-american communiqués, international law, basic international norms relations and trends. mr. volodymyr, will there be a place in these negotiations, which have actually already been started by van yentony blinken, for the chinese and in the future negotiations between xi jinping and joseph biden, will there be

a place in ukraine? well, it is obvious what will happen, mr. sergey, if the americans and the chinese agree on the normalization, and not on the aggravation of their bilateral relations. well , look, can china go for a sharp escalation, well, theoretically, sort of, that is, it wants to push its totalitarian, idea, totalitarian agenda, everywhere in world, he is looking for his allies for this and surprisingly finds them, but will it give him an economic benefit, certainly not, he will seriously lose, let's not forget that this is an era of such a simply

fantastic china's economic development is, if not over, coming to an end, and let's not forget that the americans have finally understood the simple truth that if they continue to give china the latest technology, it will use it against the united states of america, and you see a trend that is that americans actually withdraw their capital from china and very effectively and efficiently recommend their allies to do the same, and what does this mean for the chinese economy, does it mean stagnation and problems, are these problems necessary for sissyping and china as a whole, yes, definitely not , it is much more pragmatic for him to come to an agreement with the americans and in this way at least stabilize his economic problems, so they will not be cloudless, they... they will somehow continue, but, but this is

not at all the case when the economy falls down, come on god, let her stand in her place and that will be enough, and in this context, the question arises, what is the role of russia and its aggression against ukraine here, if the americans and chinese agree, then, a word from beijing, moscow, about the fact that it is necessary...' to end the aggression will be enough for putin to understand that he has no other choice, well , look at what russia's economy has turned into in relation to china, it has turned into a real economic appendage, and nothing more, the whole russia's economic policy has been reoriented during these 18 months exclusively on china, therefore, if china decides that it , say, does not buy russian oil, or does not want to buy russian gas, then this means

that the russian economy cannot, in principle , develop further, because on in the west they left there by themselves, in the east they will be told, no, no, let's do this, this and this, otherwise you have no other choice, and putin or not putin cannot disagree with this, therefore, i believe that understanding between the americans and the chinese will only benefit ukraine. well and for the benefit of ukraine, i hope, there will be a new appointment of the speaker, the election, or rather, the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states of america, mike johnson. this is the third official in the united states of america, and we know that he previously spoke against financial aid to ukraine, or with reservations, and now he says that the funding of aid to ukraine and israel should be considered separately, not one a package he added that he had already submitted the proposals

to white house officials, let's hear what he said johnson. we cannot allow putin to win in ukraine, because i do not believe that everything will end there, and it will push china to take a step towards taiwan. however, we in congress have a responsibility to manage the finances of the american people, and we must make sure that white. spends these funds responsibly. mr. volodymyr, what is most important about what johnson said is that the united states of america cannot allow putin to win in ukraine, because it will lead to a war in taiwan, or make a move, lead to a move by china, regarding taiwan, or the fact that they cannot use taxpayers' money and must... think again very carefully, no, no, i think that things are actually connected here, it is about the fact that the americans will support

ukraine , but the level of... control they really want to increase and this phrase about the fact that we must clearly and clearly control where our taxpayers' money goes, well , you have to understand, it seems to me exactly in this way, that is, we want to know and be sure in that the money we transfer to ukraine is not steal, but go to real help, and in this context, i think that biden, if he answers. after all, you know that there are already so many controllers that there are now in ukraine, in my opinion there is no other country, if there are five more, well, let there be five, if there are 10 more, let there be 10, the question in fact, for us in this regard it is fundamentally not worth it, we are ready, and this has already happened several times, to report in detail down to the dollar, about what is happening, if it

satisfies the congress, well, thank god, we will forgive further, but this is again anyway a topic that will be used not only by fizo and orban about the corruption of ukraine, but also by these, agaltel trumpists, as they are called, scumbags, supporters of trump, who will use this idea in order to discredit ukraine, so all the more so our authorities must reject everything what prevents us from saying, we are doing everything necessary and we are taking the fastest and most concrete steps so that this corruption finally disappears from the agenda of our relations, and this is already the responsibility of our authorities, very briefly, mr. volodymyr, how will it be will the election campaign in the united states of america affect the financing

of ukraine? i think it will not affect the funding. if the decisions we are talking about, and we are talking about large sums , will be invested in the new budget of the united states of america, depending on the course of the campaign, well, nothing will depend, the money will be used by the administration. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, this was volodymyr ogryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, in 2007. friends, we are live telekanaluso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. please subscribe to our accounts on these platforms, be sure to like this video, i see that many of us are watching right now on youtube, and take part in our vote, because this vote is coming to an end, we are asking you who check the most, options for

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monday, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives. goodbye. why will ukraine have to fight for the support of the west? what is happening with aid to ukraine, while western attention is focused on the war between israel and hamas. we talk about this on bbc news ukraine. live from london. i am yevgenia shedlovska. in the united states, the work of congress is unblocked, a new speaker of the house of representatives was elected there, and so now they can pass bills to provide aid to ukraine, but the newly elected speaker has previously opposed it, so what do you expect from mike johnson? but,

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