[000:00:00;00] we are fighting for the 14th year, i am fighting for all ukrainians, i am fighting for my family, i am fighting for my family, i am fighting for my two granddaughters, one of whom went to the first grade, and the other will go in an hour, i want them lived in a peaceful, happy ukraine, so that they did not study online. so that they don't have classes in the subway, so that they calmly go to school on september 1, the way you and i once went with flowers, when mom and dad took us, but we couldn't take them this year, that's i want and fight for the generation behind us

was happy and that our country was free and happy, i want my daughter to know that there is nothing in the world more important than life and peace, if we do not show the whole world that we defeated the enemy, liberated the earth, stopped him, stopped this war, then it can change the world, because war is evil, war is death, war is tears, it is pain, it should not exist, we should all live, everyone on the planet. people want to live, because we all know with you, every war in the world has its beginning and its end, our war will end with our victory, the enemy will be defeated. the slovak counteroffensive will go down in history books as a lightning-fast, swift, well-planned, in many respects audacious and incredibly successful military

operation, these are events that inspired the whole world, thank you, all heroes, all heroes, everyone, and strengthened the faith of ukrainians, these were tears joy, we believed in our armed forces all the way, that we can liberate the occupied lands and win this war. glory to ukraine, how was it , the boys were waiting in their homes and everything will come together. the enemy is not that strong and can be beaten. let's, extinguish them with arta. it was a month of impressive news from the east of ukraine. then the events began to unfold in such a way that no one simply still believes, we will take kherson, i will take it 100% , but the first news from the south will come very soon, thank you, thank you, watch in the next film, thank you, class, young man, you're holding up the queue, i 've never experienced this in my life, all the cars

are honking, people with flags, everyone advise. thank you, rather than anything that is mined there, the scenery of a movie about the apocalypse. dim, i don't want to risk your life. that's it, let's move. for, for you, faster, faster, stop, stop, because the car driver, well, congratulations, dear viewers, one. continues to work live on the air of the nationwide marathon and this time has come at nine o'clock, when we are preparing for friday evening a big conversation, a conversation with a perspective, when we can distract ourselves a little from the topics we have been running all week and take a look forward, to predict what will be the consequences of all these events. the topic of today's conversation, i think, is quite clear, for several weeks now we have not been able to move away from international politics, so everything is developing quickly, you know, the world must

have gone crazy. no, we cannot say that something is happening, or something that we did not expect, but the fact that events are accelerating very quickly and we will also see the consequences very quickly, i think that this is already well, the guests will agree with me, and the topic is the focus the topic we have chosen for today is whether it is true that, based on the latest not entirely pleasant signals, that, after all, there is a certain pushback from ukraine by ukrainians, a certain fatigue has formed, and this is something concrete, with which the same russians and representatives the block with which the russians work, this is the axis, china, iran, and so on, and so on, actually, this is what we want to talk about with today's guests, introduce your guest and we will spend this evening with tymofiy mylovanov, this is the president of the kyiv school of economics, minister of economic development in 19-20 years, adviser to the head of the president's office, good evening, good evening, political expert volodymyr

fissenko, and political expert valentyn , good evening to you, good, good evening, gentlemen, let's start with a question that can does not apply to international politics, but it may apply, which will be discussed in any case by the three waves of putin's death in this week alone. what happened, and well, i won’t even ask why to believe in this, or, but why all this, because oleksiy danilov said that this is part of the pre-election program, and putin is already starting to play in the elections, but i don’t quite understand, he who really hopes that someone will believe that he came to life and suddenly have to vote for him, it means that there is rather a contrast here, if you accept this version, here rather on the contrary, to demonstrate that putin is alive and well, and at the same time to shame her, she is playing on these rumors about putin's death and so on, that is, the domestic russian audience, in fact, i think there is a little bit of both us and

to the russian audience, a little to the west , but you understand what we don't know for sure , right here there is the question of the subjects who launched this information, well, one subject is public, i was a little familiar with him in the old days so we saw each other at the same event, i mean valery solovya, professor silovya became a meme, and in russia, even in our country too, that’s what it is, that’s the topic of putin’s illness and his death, which is so expected there, he’s already been spreading it for more than one year, at least two years for sure, and that’s why for him it’s the key topic is an informational drive. long-playing, which attract attention to him, and he, let's say, keeps different insiders, distributes them, so it can be his such a conspiracist special information project, personal, that's his thing before the elections, but on the other hand, many

people believe that in he has a connection, with by the special services, huh, and what is all this brawling, in particular around the topic of putin, putin's doubles and so on, all this is also a reflection, an echo, the struggle of different towers of the kremlin, different factions in the kremlin among themselves, and that because of the nightingale and before, and now they are just pouring out certain insiders in the fight, in this case, well, there is an element of such, you know , such compromising or negativity against patrushev, yes, so we don’t know for sure what the different versions are here, but the fact that this looks extremely conspiratorially, well, it's very clear. although you know, after the so-called zaklatu, there is always the audience is on the lookout for gossip, everyone always, this is also a plus, here is russia, after the prigozhin rebellion, i would leave a certain percentage, everything can be there, plus an old tradition, nine months ago

i wrote such a humorous text, about the tradition of impostors in russia, and since there is a topic of doppelgangers, yes, yes, who knows what might be there, just in case, well, nevertheless, a list of recipients. putin was no longer printed today, but there were always a lot of them, yes , there were always a lot of them, is there not one, yes, well, potentially a lot, but in reality, i think, myself putin does not see anyone after, after himself, otherwise he would have already prepared, i think so, gentlemen , there is something to add, shall we go, there is a wonderful book by volodymyr yermolenko, it is called flowing ideologies, the very last chapter is devoted to russian political culture, just this . the identity on the one hand of the ruler of the people, well, almost identification and the phenomenon of impersonation, everything turns out so that if the ruler is the people, then anyone from the people can turn out to be, well, the ruler, and i am inclined

to think that yes, they are facing in turmoil and in front of impostors, i will not be surprised that we still we will hear not only statements that he died there, but also that the two putins will fight each other. it is necessary to understand that in fact it is quite, well, in their political culture mentality, i think that in this way, they will buy time for themselves in the future, for the transit of power, when either putin really dies, or when the need arises after all to transfer this power in some way, and then , well, really, if he died, yes, then it will be possible to continue talking, but he is still alive, everything is fine, but from him. even someone's name can manage, and even look for a way, it happened with aliyev, by the way, not to go far, it happened with zarafat, and at one time, when physical death, roughly speaking, when a political figure experienced, well, physically, because it

was in the middle ages, this the concept, yes, about two bodies of the king, so, well, i think that this is a conspiracy at the moment, but a conspiracy, which is what it is, creates certain prerequisites for and room for maneuver for the russian politicians. when they will face the need to ensure the transit of power, and as for the lists, i would not be in the place of those involved especially happy, and we understand why. absolutely, because well, this is the fate of dictators, yes, they are very suspicious, this pararaid, absolutely tyrannical government, well , who can encroach on my place, even if you did not want to encroach, you were simply included in this list , then you already find yourself under such scrutinizing eyes, well, we remember, but for us, look, for us it does not matter at all, but i can add simply that today, there is such a feeling that the ukrainian nation... society

demonstrated its, i would say mental health, because they reacted to everything very calmly, very carefully , there in the russian parliament they discuss it like this, and so on, yes, and we are calm, yes, we have our own, for which we have to fight, who should we fight, we have a war with russia, not with putin, yes, yes, but with russia, mr. timofiyu, but one day he will die, this is the only thing i would like to add, i hope soon, and i hope not by my death, that somehow the markets reacted to these, maybe the ruble was sinking somewhere, something else, nothing like that happened, well, then let's move on to the actual indicates that putin is not a factor influencing, or perhaps not receiving this information, those who make economic decisions, let's move on to the speech, we 've been following her for a little more than almost a month, yes, she finally ended, republican michael johnson was elected speaker of the house of representatives on the fourth attempt, who immediately

called the topic of allocating money to ukraine one of the key ones. mr. timofiyu, please tell me whether you followed this story as a story behind the struggle for money, so which is a lot now, even in america joe biden's team has changed its rhetoric and says, well, we allocate money that remains in the united states. what were these two teams fighting for now, and again, how do you assess this winner, what is it for us? they fought for power, huh. ugh, and the situation in the united states is at the level of chaos, it's destabilized, the very fact that they removed the republican leader of the house, the speaker of the house, in such a way that just one person was able to do it because they didn't like something, it doesn't matter what, but something just isn't

i liked it, if this was the case in the parliament, we would change the speaker every day, you know, sometimes several times, yes, it 's true, so it just says that the republican party is so weak, now the party organization is so great internal conflicts within the republican party itself that they had to change the rules with the previous speaker, and those rules were changed in order to agree to elect him, now there were also , i think, certain agreements within the party that we don't know yet, and what later will be determined, determine the vote, in general for ukraine, this is, unfortunately, not the speaker who has a pro-ukrainian position, in fact he has an anti-ukrainian position, he constantly and consistently opposes financial aid... there is such a group

of republicans for ukraine, they gave him efka, that is, the lowest score possible for a republican, and he allegedly gave such things, well, he said, but yesterday he gave a quote, said that in principle we can talk about the package of ukraine, but they should be there, but that and oh, but he said two specific things that basically would be beneficial for us. within the political climate that's out there, because we're constantly accused of opacity , it's unfair, but we're not accused of it, and some specific reporting mechanisms that are private, confidential, because they're weapons, but they're, well, accused, as if they are not there, he says, if it is done, then i am ready, but it is done and it can be checked, it would be in our favor, but i want to remind you, sorry, we have three groups of so-called controllers-auditors only worked within a month and that's good

for that, for political history, it is sometimes bad on the battlefield itself, when people have to go, collect the packaging, i know specific examples where people died because they were sent back to collect the boxes from which they were shot, here i am alone i know such a case, yes, unfortunately, but today he said something that confused me a little, he said that it is necessary to divide the package of israel and the package of ukraine and vote them. separately, and that's a problem because it's been a week since biden submitted the $100 billion package last friday dollars, mixed with israel, with israel we would pass , during this week the senate could... could and should have voted on this and already sent it into chaos, this did not happen, and during this time a new speaker was elected, and he was already able drive a wedge and say, let's divide, if they divide, then ukraine can stall the package of ukraine for a long enough time, and unfortunately, it's not us now, but the americans, the political elite lost

the opportunity to finance ukraine, because there was this week when it was possible to spend in the senate and the speaker would not have broken it. system, a as it has not yet been conducted in the senate, he says: let's divide it, let's conduct it separately , it's very, very unprofitable for us and very, very dangerous, so my attitude to well, let's say this, is cautiously pessimistic, uh, it's your turn, how you evaluate the completion and look, yes, he only took two steps, yes, well , first of all, it's good that he was elected after all, in the sense that there is already someone, let's say so, to put to a vote, with whom to solve the issue. with whom to negotiate, because there is no speaker of the lower house, i'll just explain here so that it doesn't happen confusion, yes house yes gentle house of congress, yes gentle house of congress, house of representatives, yes, yes, yes, house of representatives, yes, it is good that the speaker has appeared there, already the house can work, can

consider bills, but really, i agree with the fact that yes, you have to be careful, yes, the person is specific, the person is from the camp of radical trumpists, so very conservative . these are certain clichés that are constantly repeated by republicans, i i agree with the fact that, yes, let them check, he doesn't, he doesn't know if he's playing, i think that all these statements, in particular about the separation, by the way, statements from some senators also appeared in the senate, republicans that it is necessary to divide the money for ukraine for israel, this is an honor. trades, they will trade, but really, now the struggle for power is going on, this is already public and what happened in the lower palace, all this quarrel among the republicans, and the conflicts that were, this is public before the presidential elections, yes, they are already starting

race, and a large part of the republicans, they reject everything that biden offers, yes, this is already the logic of the election campaign, it doesn't matter if it works in the interest of the united states or not, they just reject, but at the same time they want to bargain, and this gives us a chance, yes , maybe there will be a little less amount, maybe there will be some concessions to the republicans, for example, they will allocate money for the border with mexico or some other things, yes, but the main thing is that they finally start to solve this issue, that's the main thing, now the window of opportunity for this has opened, and further compromises must be sought, but we are faced with another problem, the one brewing in europe, hungary. together with slovakia, this is such a new anti-ukrainian tandem, i think, or a pro-russian one has appeared, they talked about the fact that they will block aid to ukraine for 50 billion euros, how do we feel about this? well, if i may, literally two words, yesterday i was at a meeting with

government officials, precisely those responsible for the direction of european integration, i asked about slovakia, well, 50 billion, that's for four years. ugh, that's budget funding for four the next years, it will already be a loss for the future, no, not now, and here is what is important, i think that there is also bargaining here, and unlike the situation in nato, in brussels, the european commission has leverage, yes, and that is why it already worked with hungary at one time, i think it can work with slovakia as well, although it will not be easy either, maybe there will be some compromises, but brussels can influence both hungary and slovakia, because budget compromises can be sought there. well, i think we'll talk about europe in the second hour hour, we will spend more time, because there are many questions and questions that are just arising , now we still want to talk about what is happening in ukraine, what is happening in the world with ukrainians and how attitudes are beginning to change, yes, the topic of our

conversation today is whether the attitude towards ukrainians is changing, and we can feel it in one of the countries that has already started to change its attitude, larisa gerasko, extremely. and the ambassador plenipotentiary of ukraine in ireland is in touch with us, greetings , good afternoon, good evening, yes, ma'am larisa, look, it's not a secret that we asked you to join our conversation, because ireland is a country that has already started talking about the fact that it wants to change its rules, the attitude towards ukrainians, that the deadline for providing housing can change, about the fact that payments can change, as you can imagine, not everything is so simple there, can tell, first, concretely, lay out on the shelves what is happening and what the authorities of this country want to change, and then we will talk about your feelings , why did it start now? yes, of course, well, me if talking about irl. frankly speaking, she said that this is changing the attitude towards ukrainians, in particular, because in fact ireland from the day

after the full-scale invasion, well, made and provided, one might say, one of the best conditions for ukrainians, here to date, about 1,000 ukrainians have come to ireland , 74, even more than 74 thousand were provided with public housing, and this is for such a small country as ireland with a population of 6 million, which itself suffered and is currently suffering from a housing crisis, that is, even for the irish themselves it's very difficult to find housing, to rent, i mean, or even to buy, surely someone has seen what it's like, even pictures, footage, when... people are standing in line to view an apartment, so right now ireland is really

at the limit of its possibilities in provision of free housing, and now the rules will be changed, probably the decision has not been adopted yet, it was, should have been adopted this tuesday, but they decided to finalize this decision before, because, for example... for example, for me, as the ambassador of ukraine, the biggest fear, that, first of all, according to the new rules, all newly arrived ukrainians will be provided with housing for only three months, and then they must rent it themselves, and in the conditions of ireland and for me, as the ambassador of ukraine, the biggest, biggest fear is that our people, who will already come in under the new rules, they will simply find themselves and become bezha, bezhadchinkas, because in ireland , ireland is one of the most expensive countries in europe, and as for housing, these are simply incredible

prices, so for example, i will say, for example, in dublin, probably not the best areas, a room that you share with someone costs 700 €, to rent a better room 900 1000 €, this is only about the room, plus utilities, of course. not to mention an apartment, that is, ukrainians are unlikely to be able to rent housing for themselves and, in fact, i have a great fear that many ukrainians will simply end up on the street, just the sky, today ukrainians are being killed , including in such tent cities, in ireland not the mildest climate in terms of storms,

winds, humidity, well, not the best option for accommodation, i am currently on a business trip, i thought about it for about three hours and came to you on the air just after meeting with the ukrainians, there are more than three hundred residents, of course they are in good conditions, everyone is happy and so on, but they do not know what to expect next , before that the irish changed the rules. residence, i.e. absence, a person can only be absent for three days a year, otherwise they will be evicted from state, state-paid, secured housing, if now for the new year, for the christmas holidays, ukrainians want to go home and well, it’s expensive trips to ukraine, we understand this, if they come to ukraine for a little longer and return to ireland, they may be deprived of housing, i do not mean the new arrivals, but the ukrainians of the first wave

of refugees there, right? you absolutely understand all of this, that is exactly the way it is, that is, in practice, there are not many chances to go to ukraine, the only thing is, if it is for some medical reasons, you need to provide documents, and then the irish side continues, if it is housing . do i understand correctly, did i hear you correctly about what these innovations to shorten the terms of providing housing and financial assistance, they concern new arrivals, and those 100,000 who are already there, they remain on the same conditions as they were, and why are ukrainians still coming to ireland? exactly, as a matter of fact, you absolutely understand, regarding the provision of housing, it applies only to new arrivals , and regarding the possibility of reducing social benefits and which somewhere for an adult over the age of 204 years, there is practically somewhere €800 and

more, €208 a week, well in accordance. let's count, ah, yes, this will apply to everyone, including the irish, on the one hand, they are trying to encourage ukrainians to work, on the other hand, i in the irish government tell the irish government that many of our ukrainians would love to work if ireland were more of a rural country, and when they settle in small towns, small villages, they simply cannot find work , we just talked today, but relatively... so every week plus or minus 700 out of 700 citizens of ukraine arrive, time is running out, we know that you will have to be let go, please tell me the question with which we started, why now and don't you think that it follows the example of switzerland, the czechs , a few other countries, already ukrainians will be told that, well, let's go home, i don't want to talk, point to the door, i would

say that in in the case of ireland, of course this is not pointing... at the door, it's just that their system can't stand it, but they also say publicly, now there is a very big discussion in the irish press about our ukrainians, the provision of our ukrainians, ah, absolutely, the irish government compares, including that the czech republic changed the rules and switzerland, which you name, including, austria, which you also. other eu countries, that is, they want their conditions to be approximately the same as others, and yes, there is such exhaustion, there is, also exhaustion, let's say, in society, for example, here in this country, the question arises, okay, we also have problems with housing, and why is this help for ukrainians and not for the irish, that is, yes,

of course, around ukrainians, well , such... not provoked by the irish government, but various different kinds of conversations, and the russian propaganda works, and absolutely here and of course, well, thank you for this inclusion, thank you, mr. ambassador, larisa heraska , the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in ireland, was in direct contact with us in marathon. come on, let's change the topic of this little bit, maybe it's not by chance, it happened, it's just that now in ireland i want to definitely return, but we haven't agreed on a speaker tour. mr. valentin, your assessment of the completion of the speaker ride and these first two steps, because i too, i agree with mr. timofey that at first i was very there, well, i was negative determined, but i saw that the first steps he does not say no, he says yes, but maybe the person will figure it out, and still we will receive more concrete help, because some of our military experts say: well, everything is correct, he says,

what does it say about 60 billion, of which 40 remain in america, 20 of the shells arrive in ukraine, of which 10 go to... shells, so let's understand what we are paying for, for the fact that we are rebuilding warehouses now in america , this is now the priority, or after all, the priority of the projectile is in order, was such is the minister of foreign affairs of germany, joschka fischer, and he said that a position changes a person before a person changes a position, it must be understood that the statements that this johnson made before he was appointed to this position are already strikingly different from those statements that he makes while in this position, you talked about the fact that he is such a radical trumpist, he did not vote, by the way, for the allocation of aid to ukraine, and here it is literally the first day, a few hours, after he was appointed, and he has already says that i am ready to consider biden's proposals, this is because the internal political struggle is really going on very fiercely, by the way, he did not recognize biden as the president, well, he is a radical, that is, there were

, of course, more radical positions, but in principle , he is closer to the radical than. is moderate and he is already doing what i am already ready to discuss , and his last statement says that we will help ukraine as much as necessary anyway, and putin should not win in ukraine, because otherwise there may be a chain reaction and we will see taiwai, that is, we must to understand that tying ukraine to israel is ok, why, because the americans have long had no need to be convinced why they should support israel, well, yes, that is, the israeli lobby, and here in vidom there is also a book about this, which one congressman says , what i say on a napkin, where it will simply be written, i will collect half of the members of congress for israel, yes , that is, i will go out in literally half an hour, i will go down to the dining room, that is, the americans have understood this for a long time, israel is the main recipient of american aid, as well as the americans there is no need to explain why it is necessary to restrain china, the chinese americans do not need to explain

why there is a threat to china, let's remember last year's scandal, which led to cross-current tensions