[000:00:00;00] ready to discuss, and his last statement says that we will help ukraine as much as necessary anyway, and putin must not win in ukraine, because otherwise there may be a chain reaction and we will see taiwai, that is, we must understand that the priv "ukraine's attachment to israel is ok, why, because the americans haven't had to be convinced for a long time why they should support israel, well, yes, that is, the israeli lobby, yes, there is also a well-known book on this matter, that one congress. says what i say on a napkin, where it will simply be written, for israel i will gather half of the members of the congress, yes, that is, literally in half an hour, i will go out, i will go down to the dining room, that is, the americans have understood this for a long time, israel is the main recipient of american aid, and the americans do not need to explain why it is necessary to restrain china, china, the americans do not need to explain why there is a threat from china, let's remember last year's scandal and huge tension

in china, when the guests visited taiwan, and, by the way, the last chinese warning, which everyone knows , which also arose when the chinese made endless warning, it seems even during the korean war there and there the last 400 critical chinese warning, so it is very good that today and biden in his speech, yes, drew parallels between russia and hamas, and it is very good that these officials essentially put the importance of ukraine and these geopolitical layouts, yes, that is, israel here, which restrains , i don’t know, terrorism there, because for the americans after september 11 , they do not need to explain why it is necessary to restrain and, well, roughly speaking, radical islam, why it is necessary to restrain some eh, groups which accordingly, they profess some frankly destructive and radical views , and i already spoke about china above, so you see, that's why i agree with mr. timofey that biden united, you see, and johnson is trying

to divide israel again. well, yes, it just has to be somewhat different, i can just finish, yes, yes, er, this, er, here, mr. volodymyr and i clearly understand how political decisions differ from political technological ones, they are different things, so i tend to think that this rhetoric has a politico-technological nature, yes, when there are elections complex schemes begin to be drawn, and it becomes known, positioning begins, and he simply positions himself , which is what i still distinguish, i must have alternative views, because if a democrat has the same views as biden, then in principle, what is your value and your curiosity, it's one point, the other point, american researchers are now talking about a civil war in the state of the republicans, uh, well, you understand that the heat just internal party disputes is very high, and we know that among the republicans quite powerful positions are those, well, that wing, which just advocates for support, and i think that

when they discussed among themselves for whom, who. will vote, they discussed that you go here , you don't go here, well, that is, these are objective things, that is, the american system is often called a vetocracy, well, why, because it requires a fairly high level of consensus, so they yes, they are very difficult, very long, very hot, tumultuous debate, but everyone has the ability to block a decision if it does not take into account their interests, so in this context i would not would become afraid that ukraine might not receive any help there, all this rhetoric about the fact that he said yes, that american taxpayers should know where the funds are spent, so biden even before that seems to have been talking about the fact that they wanted to send a special authorized person to ukraine, who would, roughly speaking, monitor it there, and last year this story already happened, when another figure, yes this spart, told this delusion, and american senators and congressmen came, and according to the results of their audit ,

that they said that the level of accounting and control. that we saw in ukraine exceeded our expectations, and what mr. timofey said, yes, you know, even that meme is already popular that a soldier runs after a grenade so that he does not have time to write down its serial number, well, that is this is of course a joke and an evil irony, but in reality, that is, it unfortunately has a place in some places, so i would not dramatize it, well, as of today, there is only one person, there is a new speaker, the speaker, by the way, is not the director of the plant, as we understand it, yes, even more so in america, that is the third person, notation, by notation, in the report card and ranks, yes, but it must be understood that there are collegial bodies, and this body is collegial, we will give a remark to mr. tymofiy, he wants to say, because i have a question for you, whether michael johnson , as it is, he will not make the mistake of his predecessor, who promised so much that when he took office that he then

collapsed under them, let's give mr. timofia, i. i also thought for a certain period that reason should prevail, and i think it is true that in the medium and long term , strategically, russia is now an ally of china and the enemy of europe and the usa, and civilization, in general, that's it, but democracies make mistakes in short-term periods, and very bad things happen in democracies because of this, it is difficult for democracies to fight for a long time, we see what kind of mistake and whether there are... what mistakes the americans made in afghanistan, we see what mistakes they made in iraq, they make mistakes, and they can make mistakes with us, that is, may, we need, we

need to work to ensure that this does not happen, the general support of ukraine in united states of america is high, recently it seems that the last poll was, well, i apologize for the survey... it was 10 days ago, and the majority of people there, about 70-80%, support ukraine, but what has changed, the majority of people also believe that 34% of those other groups believe that that the usa is doing about enough, uh, at the time that for israel this figure is much less, and for israel it is only 20. believe that the usa is doing too much, and for ukraine it is 34 or 36%, that is, now more people in the usa believe , that the us has already done enough, at the same time they than those who believe that

it is not enough and that support should be increased, and politicians play on this before the elections, and the trumpists are a real force, and it is true that the republicans are strong, but i don't want it again, it 's true, what you say, i agree, and you rightly ... underlined it, rational, strong, classical republicans support ukraine, the majority of democrats and republicans support ukraine, the majority in the upper house support ukraine , the majority in the lower house support ukrainians, but with the strength of the trumpists, when i recently visited the states twice and spoke with people around in washington itself, they said, make no mistake, do not underestimate... that they sincerely believe in this, in these conspiracy theories, and this is what a republican, one, the head of the mercatus center, an economist who writes marginal revolution block, those who

in the economy they read, they know what kind of blog this is, it’s a top blog , he says, i can’t convince them myself, they’ve read it, watched youtube of conspiracy theories, and really know very well all these details, every scandal, including in ukraine and recirculate him, and they sincerely believe in it, and this is a real problem and a threat to the short term is a thing, so we have to have a strategy , we are working with it, by the way, i think that we will return to the agenda in the sense of the world's attention, precisely because fundamentally, as my friends and colleagues just said, volodya vladyslav, valentin, valentin, i’m sorry, it was said, damn it, i’m like that when... they start trumpists, just like valentin, by the way, he said that reason and truth will win, but she needs to be helped to win a little, well, she can do it by herself and it will not

happen, because at least russia is from another country the parties are working to unravel and break it all, yes, there is one nuance here, you have 50 seconds before the news, it will be enough, the culprits were americans...' servicemen and they died there, there were american servicemen in afghanistan and they died there, and it was very unpopular, the support of ukraine to date, it is not even statistically significant for the american budget, and the fact that some people there believe that 40% of gdp goes to support international activities is a lie, well, that is five , a little more than 1%, if i remember correctly, on the americans spend their budget on all international support for everything, well, that is, it is for them. do you remember what this guy, one of them, pence, apparently, said, yes, when he was asked whether the americans could support both israel and ukraine at the same time, you know , what he said, got the states of america can walk around and chew gum at the same time, and no, he's a little bit of biden po , well, biden, i don't know, i'm just saying that it was

some kind of statement, so that means that for them it 's not extreme efforts, which are really exhausting for them, so to speak, shevorony, that bring victory closer, the woman gives freedom, we cannot be destroyed, we are protected by the power of the three forms of the future tense. we will go, and we will, we will go to victory in spite of everything. ukrainian: the language of the free. i don't know if i can. what i have is enough for me. women are not paid that much. he is more professional than me. can i change anything? i don't deserve that kind of money. can i get more, and what if i will be refused

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maksym sukhenko, iryna prokofieva, we continue a big conversation about what is happening in the world around ukraine, first of all, is it true that a certain rollback is beginning and some anti-ukrainian bloc is already forming in europe, can it to form, whether someone will allow it, i will remind our guests, tymofiy malovovanov, valentin hletkykh, volodymyr fasenko, and let's start with history, with an event on which ukrainians rely, very high hopes, the summit in malta. the third summit regarding the zelsky peace plan, we see how large-scale the second and second summit was, now more than 70 countries have already come there, we understand what the ukrainian delegation came there with, what we expect from this summit, what is our task , well, not everyone knows, or pretends and forgets that y ukraine has a clear position on achieving peace, it is a ten-point plan.

president zelenskyy, he must be, i’m sorry to everyone, be vindicated, because in order to take away the arguments that ukraine does not want peace, ukraine wants peace, but for ukraine, peace is when ukrainians will not be tortured in the occupied territories, and it is called peace when our people, such as you and i will continue to live in the occupation, huh. this is self-deception, and many people fall into this trap of such self-deception, and russia constantly conducts counter-propaganda and says: ukraine does not want peace, let's stop shooting. we went through it in the 14th, 15th, 16-19 years and so on, and we still know these and every day we hear new stories from those who from those who returned from the other side, what is done to them, this first, it is very important

, second is to keep... us on the agenda, now we are competing for attention with israel and the gas situation in palestine, it is a very difficult competition, it is very important that we are in the spotlight, because we are supported by democratic countries , democratic countries respond to their voters, voters respond to news, and thirdly, we show a rather tough position, and this is the initial position for any process and is very important. that is, to explain that when we are criticized, that our position is very tough, then open any textbook on negotiations, there will be time, if necessary, to agree on some specific things, specific security guarantees from our partners, when they say that president zelenskyi and ukraine as a whole demands a lot, so we have to demand a lot from our partners, i'm sorry it's so much,

the de-occupation of the territory is a lot. example, to be in nato, to have guaranteed weapons, our position at the beginning of the negotiations must always be the maximum, and everyone understands this perfectly well, the territory is not being discussed today, i think, in general, the very language of the territory, it is wrong, we must talk about the people, because on that the territory, which someone is constantly gently hinting to us that we must give up, we must call things by their names , which means that we must give up the millions of people who are being tortured today, that's all, we need this language in general, the territory, it dehumanizes, it takes away from humanity, yes she will turn it is supposed to be about a square kilometer of land, but who will die? they turn a person into an object, all our struggle today is about ours, about our sovereignty, about the fact that we are people, we are not a colony, no one decides not in moscow, not in beijing, not in washington, no well not in abuda, our future, we decide ourselves, and in the same way we have to talk about the people

, why is it important for us to return our territories, because it is important for us to return and liberate our people, this is the first thing, the second thing is to... and then not the third, fourth, fifth, and a bunch of them all attacked reasons, but the price is so high, because for every piece of this land, for every free person, our people, our military are dying today, that is why the price is huge, look, well , we understand that among the allies, in principle, there is no, any other opinion that all this is necessary for ukraine, in a public way, there is no public way, they also cannot afford politically, oh my god, before their elections... and not necessarily the americans, yes, i would like to go to the elections with a victory, with that , that i can call a victory, i decided the problem, and somehow it is already in the media, it should look beautiful, but the task of convincing those who do not support us is even more difficult

, if you read these points of zelenskyi's peace formula, it is universal in nature and it does not begin with the restoration of territorial integrity . from paying compensation, non-reparations, yes, it starts with nuclear security , it starts with energy security, food security, energy security, that is, these are all those points that matter to all people, well, that is, in fact, now declares the fundamental principles on which civilized humanity must exist now, that is, we talk a lot about the new security architecture, this is its foundation, well, of course, that is, there is nothing like that, you understand what the point is, in this peace formula, there is nothing like that, which is incongruous today with the existing world order, once, and there is no conflict between, roughly speaking, the mercantile, selfish interests of the purely ukrainian nation or the ukrainian state, which we want

to resolve at the expense of what we will harm there or we threaten the interests of some other, well , states or subjects, well, when even the same china. roughly speaking, we understand that china is the main beneficiary of the current system of international relations, both economic and political, because it became the current china thanks to globalization, but it does not go to meet malta, its representatives, that there will be 70 countries, but china, which was at the previous one, will not be, china is already playing its game, well, china is playing its game, it must be understood that china is pursuing its goal, as a type of claim to global leadership, but one must understand that china is not the enemy of the present. repeatedly also said, there is a certain world order, there are definitely certain architects of this world order, who, as a matter of fact, made conscious willful efforts to create and maintain it, but they are not the only and main beneficiaries of it, billions of people thanks to this very order today

came out of poverty, and in the countries mostly what was once called the third world, and for this security, there is a cool book by hans... this is factual, where he is very cool on this topic, actually writes, and uh, there are countries that encroach, not only countries, entities, hamas , he says frankly, we are not satisfied with your world, well, we want to destroy it, well, we like, to put it bluntly, to change women's words, well let's face it, what's funny, well, yes, phrases, these are all things that russia says, just yes, no, that's exactly what i'm getting at, there's the same one there... i don't know hamas who says , but we don't need civilization, we don't need a subway, we need tunnels, you know, they could have already built a subway there, but they built tunnels, you know, well, we don't want to build schools, we don't want to build universities, well, we don't want to give education to women, let them give birth to 13 children each, so that these children don't have an education, so that we give them a machine gun, and

the main thing is that they kill israelis, what are our main tasks of the summit and what will be the most difficult, er, the most difficult, in fact... and i'm just for china, china does not interfere with the world order, it is not satisfied with the world order, it is not satisfied with its place in this world order. he might like to play a more important role, but it is not in his interest to destroy this order, as the hero of one famous series said, remember, chaos is a ladder to the mountain , finished with a cut throat, so you have to understand that chaos is a very tempting story, when the status quo was destroyed, and you think that now i will climb, russia also, when i started on the 24th, i thought she would change her status quo for the better, now she's at the very bottom, but they still believe it, their strategy of unpacking chaos, as we can see, unfortunately continues to work, yes, but the trick is that... well, the temptation of chaos is just the greater the lower you are you are, because the less you can bet, well, the more you are tempted

by what you have won, well, roughly speaking, it is one thing to bet a dollar with the prospect of winning a million dollars, but another story when you have to bet a million, roughly speaking, to to win a dollar, after all, what would be the most difficult, the most difficult in fact, would be to explain to those subjects who think that it does not concern them, that is, they think that well, where is nuclear security, where is energy security, where is something else , where there is respect for the territorial integrity of the state sovereignty, but they do not understand that in fact territorial claims in today's world are not an exception, they are the norm , it's just that the way of resolving them is different, you've seen the map of africa, well, there is probably not a single people there that is not divided between several states, well, that is, if this kind of behavior becomes the general norm now, what will happen next, in europe, by the way, it 's the same, we understand, right? and that is why the eu is a union of states, as many think, it is a union of regions, few people know about it, and

these are all supranational institutions, so i what is all this leading to, that today, this is a confrontation, it is like a bifurcation point, where will humanity move further, or will it move further towards the erosion of the system of international relations, towards the construction of this scheme, who is stronger, that and rights, and these are far from obvious things, that someone will be stronger, yes, it may seem to china that it is so big and strong, and many others, for sure, may think so, and saudi arabia, yes, that is, it can buy as much as it wants tanks, but tanks have one bad feature, they need tankers, v saudi arabia, there are tankers in china, there are in china, yes, there are no tanks in china, there are tankers, tanks too, i’m speaking figuratively, well, you understand what i’m getting at, what in fact, don’t you agree, i agree with every argument you make, well

it's just a joke that most people want to live see being alive is better than being dead no one stops being neither being healthy is better than being sick being rich is better than being poor having an opportunity better principles take us back to the sunny beaches of malta yes yes well i yes of specific tasks. i think, well, first of all, i will remind you that this very format, the meeting of political advisers, first copenhagen, then saudi arabia, now malta, it appeared primarily in order to build a dialogue with the countries of the so-called global south, and on the issues of peace in ukraine and at the same time global security, we already mentioned it, and by the way, here and there they mentioned china, when xi jinping was gathering for this big such... big forum, one way, one train, one way,

there was a lot for such a huge geopolitical project, china talk about the fact that yes, we need a new world order, yes, the old order , well, it is collapsing, yes, we need to build something new, but the views are different, biden also talks about it, russia talks about it, yes, it is very important and good , that ukraine is not afraid, we are not waiting for someone to build, we offer what is the essence of this. president zelenskyi's peace formula, which mr. tymofiy mentioned and which is being discussed at those meetings, because it is a proposal not only for peace in ukraine, but it is actually a proposal to build a just, safe, new world order, yes, and this is a combination of what concerns us, peace for us, and peace for the world, and that's exactly the question, the question in which it seems that all this is so clear, what is the problem then, why then, this is already a mechanism, and a platform and a mechanism, but at the second meeting, specific working groups were already created there, and there working groups were created precisely on

those issues that are interesting for the countries of the global south, these are food security, nuclear security, energy security, and concrete things are already being worked on these issues, what will they work for, not just to speak there, write something, prepare some papers, specific documents, we and what they want to go to, and this is the idea of ​​president zelensky to hold a summit, precisely a summit of world leaders, at which we would also discuss our formula of peace, and these developments are somehow based on the un or a separate organization , in fact, you see, now everyone sees that everything rests on the un, well, you can vote a resolution at the general assembly, and they have already voted more than one resolution at the security council all rests on yes, well, first of all, russia's veto, here everyone is looking for some additional , not necessarily alternative platforms, but china made a bet partly together with russia

on brics, well, we have such a thing. there was no tool, and now we are actually building a platform there together with our partners, where we can understand each other, gradually , step by step, find a common language, not only with our partners, with our partners we are looking for a common language, in the eu, in nato , the big seven, there we work with them, and here with those who are yes, who are sharper, and with them we have to look points of contact, this process is currently taking place and in the process of construction, well, the development of specific... proposals of specific documents, somewhere we will agree on how we jointly see food security, maybe something of our own will grow from this, in terms of energy, nuclear security, well and specifically in the international sense, this is an exit to this global peace summit, which should become a possible prototype, there the formation of a new security architecture, when they will also agree on the end of the war in ukraine and how

to build security in the middle east and so on further, so here... there is also a global goal that concerns us, this is the global peace summit, and at the same time there are 10 specific directions in which we can work, conduct a dialogue and develop a concrete common position with those who that is not on our side, one more nuance is possible, here you should say about the global south, and this finds its support, because it is obvious to us, yes , that european civilization, there is the burden of the white man, the states of america, democracy, respect to human rights, but for many others, europe is still a colonizer, yes, that is, also a white person, in short, an exploiter, china has these painful memories of centuries of humiliation , well, a lot must be somehow now with no, so many countries in latin america perceive the united states in a completely different way, well, that is, they well, anti-american sentiments are not only there

, yes, that is, we understand when they burn american flags, that is , many people try to bring this conflict, as it were, into a civilizational one, that there are allegedly some forces that want to humiliate this and that, and forget that the russians were actually an imperial nation, that they were just colonizers, no, well, listen, now only memories remain, but there is an aggressive imperial policy, yes, but patricia lumumba, yes, all these people studied and they still have sentiments, we understand , that africa, yes, these are colonial movements by the soviet union and were given with money, and they still remember that, that is, they look at this conflict, well, from a specific point of view, that's why zelennyanskyi says that we need to work with precisely these countries, convey to their understanding that no one encroaches on them, that we are not white colonizers, roughly speaking, and are not, roughly speaking , leaders of any transnational corporations, because that is it, you

look at who supports putin in europe, far right ultra-left let's talk about it by the way. i'll just add one more important thing about this summit, precisely in the context of what we started in israel and the problems associated with it. now the situation has become more complicated. here, for example, for the dialogue between the west and the same global in the south well, the problem arose and got worse. even broke off, well, the summit, which was supposed to be, was so limited, the little ones in jordan, when biden was coming, and when they gathered in egypt, they also said that we. we want an event, but right here, at this meeting in malta, that is also the importance not only for the peace formula and for ukraine, even for international security, that precisely in this situation, when the dialogue was interrupted, it is possible to gather representatives of the countries on one platform the middle east, there is latin america, africa and the west as well, that's what i think is here it is precisely we, paradoxically, who can act as certain

mediators in order to conduct a dialogue on this platform, and what is quantitative... progress, we mentioned the number of countries, but with each one, with each new meeting, everything more countries are joining, but i think that this is also a significant result, the dialogue is expanding, now it is necessary to form quality, add quality, but in all these directions, but there is one nuance, here is also the last remark, literally, the problem is not only, well, global architecture, problem is that there are certain political regimes that want to have access to all the benefits of civilization without internal transformation, well that is... let's go, the spread of nuclear technology, they say, we want to have nuclear technology, because it is a guarantee of our security, at the same time, we want to destroy israel, and we understand that these two theses are mutually exclusive, that is , unfortunately, that is, there is a whole series of political regimes on planet earth, which by their nature, in