[000:00:00;00] wants to talk, doesn't want to answer, and someone says no, i'm sorry, i won't answer, and someone just says that i'm not interested in this, but this does not mean at all that the person is not interested, he just does not want to say something on camera it's one of those ways to opt out yeah especially since we don't see in this same video how many people actually opt out yeah so if it was a qualified study done well we only saw a few comments we don't really want to now focus only on this video, we want to talk in more detail about what information should be. in particular, ours, what can we do wrong, that is, in order to interest young people as well, so that they learn information about the war, because yes, we have standard readings, as we say, about enemy losses, about what is happening shelling in different regions of ukraine, maybe we are doing something wrong, and we need to present information in a different way, how to work with it today, mr. ruslan, you work in the information

space, in particular, your organization there dissects russian and pro-russian how do you evaluate our information policy, information space in a year and a half, to what extent it corresponds to what people are ready to perceive, and how correctly we do everything as information specialists, is there a response from viewers and people to the fact that we are in the information field we make it spacious by explaining the war. in general, it seems to me that ukraine works quite effectively and quite well in this direction, not without some nuances, but it seems to me... that and to the extent that there were limitations, let's say so, the spread of harmful content, and to what extent is the information policy, the constant addresses of the president, the daily addresses of the president, people like to be communicated with, they are constantly explained to them the steps taken by the authorities, what is happening at the front, and this is all very important, and i think and this gave its own result, and i, for example, do not understand a little why there are still no

... restrictions on how telegram works for us, on how tiktok works for us, because these are the two main such sources, where harmful hostile content is still distributed, and here i feel like we have some of these sags and gaps and a lot more could be done to protect people that they can't sit and check every piece of information all the time and it's true, it's not true, or it, or it's really spreading there of ukraine. military unit, is it someone masquerading as the ukrainian military, or is it someone masquerading as volunteers and starting some such conditional, a fresh example recently in a telegram on very popular large tv channels, the administrators of which even met with the president at a closed meeting, and they were told a fake that ukrainians who are conscripted into the military would have their card accounts blocked, and then

this information was immediately denied... by representatives of the banks there, the fake was denied, they found that it was another ipso, but, but it flew so quickly that no one, well, in a few hours, no one is interested in where the refutations went, because it has already flown, ukrainians will have their cards blocked en masse, and it is precisely the youth who react very quickly to everything in the information space, they well, they definitely see it, pick it up, i 'm talking about control, how is it even possible to do it, how to stop it? stop, well, we need to somehow work with the administrators of telegram, in order to limit those channels that spread fakes, that spread harmful disinformation, threatening disinformation, so that telegram itself limits it, if telegram does not make some concessions, on there are some counter-steps, he doesn't go, he doesn't go, and we don't know if anyone is working with him, because it's not known at all where this telegram is sitting, and

who presses these buttons, and here... it is necessary , relatively speaking , to take some more serious steps, and now alternatives to telegram are appearing, whatsapp channels are also appearing, and telegram belongs to the company meta, which administers the same facebook. and it is much easier to work with them there, because if they see that there are accounts there or bot farms that spread disinformation, they immediately block it, they immediately mark it as disinformation. there is no such thing in telegram, so it means that you have to work with them, for them it is necessary to press, because if nothing is done, then it is clear that they will not make any changes , but the news, precisely about the blocking of cards, it collected millions of emojis and views, and of course, probably more money, well, people love emotions, that's all what is so sensational, they immediately click and forward to each other, share, actually, precisely because

these are emotions, your first example with, dissatisfaction with the youth, now about these cards, this is what emotionally touches people, this is what causes injustice, and the first and second example, they are about the feeling of injustice, how is it, the military are putting their lives on the line here, and who? no one knows about it, how is it, we do so much, our cards are blocked, it means about survival, yes, how we will live, provide for our life, and that is why it causes a strong emotion, that is why it all spreads, people absolutely , when an emotion rises in us, critical thinking, it sinks, even a person who, in principle, has a higher level of iq and in principle tends to check information as soon as it hits this emotional hook, she, her level criticality decreases. and she actively spreads all this, that is why it is important for me to create, first of all, we really can’t in telegram, there is no possibility, well , at least it doesn’t work as quickly as in facebook to complain and block content,

secondly, we don't know who owns telegram as a network, and you won't get to that point, there is some information coming from kazakhstan, because i was at a security training, there i was advised to install two-phase authentication on telegram, by the way, if you bet on such trainings and listen to the advice, then you know that you need to enter mail, because now, when i changed my phone, i was blocked in telegram for seven days, all my correspondence is deleted, and some kind of call comes from kazakhstan. from kazakhstan, i was so surprised at first and the password there, from the fsb, so far yes, so far it has not been confirmed from kazakhstan, it is not confirmed, maybe there are representatives of telegram in kazakhstan sitting there, and in fact, because telegram is one of the most popular networks among young people, it is absolutely is actually uncontrolled, there are a lot of channels that mimic and adapt to official sources and journalistic sites, some official ones, and people don’t

understand this, well, they don’t even think about the fact that both young and old, they they don’t even think about understanding it, they just trust it, moreover, information from some official sources, yes, forwarded from official sources, is interspersed with what is fake, untrue, and people already trusting this information, they will automatically trust the other, so why not you personally receive information, because you said that this viral video, which became about the defense of mariupol, was not seen, but it spread quickly on instagram, on tiktok, and where are you, i don’t have tikto and i only maintain my page on instagram and i don’t watch anything else, i just keep my own, that’s why i don’t read the news there, i read official sources, i also read... through telegram and through facebook, but official sources, you see, we, adults, we are a little different in the information environment, than the youth, and it is important for us to create an objective, real picture where

we are, here we are working on tv, yes , it is important for us that the tv tells the truth about the war, the youth is tv, we are sitting there in telegram, there in facebook , for young people , facebook is all young people, let's not generalize right away, because we will try to talk about this in more detail, we will take a short break, we will return. approaching chevrons. victory our ukraine is fighting. polissya holds the shield of the north. severshchyna stands heroically under the permanent

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here mr. ruslan? it is difficult for me to say how to balance, because well, i mostly consume news from russian tv channels, from russian, and it is very difficult, i thought that i am 10 years old, while i am watching this russian tv, that i am already that old-fashioned, but nevertheless, the last few months, it's simple, it's very difficult for the psyche, so i wouldn't extrapolate my case and wouldn't advise anyone. this is a heavy drug, all these scabies, nightingales, it is simply harmful to the psyche, but nevertheless, it seems to me very important from various sources, but reliable sources, to take information and understand that if you go to telegram, everything can be there , whatever, don't take it for granted, especially if it's some anonymous telegram channels that seem to be masquerading as showers out there with

the office of the president or the shower there from the military, the military command, now it is precisely in these directions, at least what we observe , they are working very actively, masquerading as some pro-ukrainian accounts, some local media, somewhere in every raicenter they have registered a telegram group, and there is some local news, but then there is information that incites enmity, between volunteers, between ukrainian politicians, this is all thrown in, by the way, such information, i do not rule out that they had a hand, well, let's say, malicious, some criminals in order to promote this content, this video, because it is very beautiful, it is such a demotivator, but everything is gone, our youth, they are not interested in anything, that's all, we lost the war, and i would still be interested, well, who exactly promoted in social networks, why so many millions of views in this video, it is very important, i think. and i would not, let's say, jump over this very river and not contribute to the fact that

such and similar videos are made, that we distribute them, that we can analyze them, we can draw some conclusions, lessons, precisely this is what we are doing now, so as not to contribute to the spread of such and such a video , so that, if it is spread, it is precisely with the conclusions we need, it is the same with corruption stories, yes, do we have corruption, is , but let's not sow treason there, that everything is lost and no, there is no light at the end of this tunnel, no , if there is corruption, they are fighting it and looking for some ways to protect our society, like those situations that arise, how to punish the guilty, that is, nothing is lost and everything that it is being done, everything is being done only for the better, and why, for some reason, at a certain time, somewhere a couple of weeks ago, the news was pouring in about corruption and from ukraine they were made into western media, especially corruption.

in their countries, in their cities, in fact, this does not happen, well, this is a separate case , we will talk about it later, you, as a psychologist, tell me how to balance between negative news, common sense and not to lose information, how to find the key to young people so that it is interesting and important for them to consume this information, and first of all, about negative events, they must be described dryly and very...' yes, that is, what is happening, but in order for it to have a response not only among the youth, but also among the adult population, in order for it to somehow spread, emotionally, they work just the opposite, we add emotion to the eyes of the negative. events, and this intensifies traumatization, media traumatization, when people watch all this, these terrible pictures spread and so on, and people actively spread it, and we watch all this, and it intensifies media traumatization, and intensifying emotion must be added just in such

on the positive side of this picture, i mean, to focus on what achievements, on some positive consequences, on what we can do, strengthening some of our own, stability, freedom and so on, and add emotions there, firstly, it strengthens simply psychologically, strengthens our resilience, because we all have such a tendency to fade away , and emotionally, it is difficult to be mobilized for a long time, we burn out emotionally, but it gives hope, secondly, it gives understanding and curiosity about what there happens why i have so to act, but we have just the opposite, we have emotions, negative things like that, and we also have to remember that this kind of video like this one, to be honest, as a student, i would have taken it as a classic of manipulative influence , because, well, i 100% had the opinion that this is specially thrown information, well, it was definitely not done, i mean the research itself, it was not done by professionals, it just raises questions, why 100% of people and young people do not know about the defense of marivpo 100%,

because everyone there in the cutting does not know about everyone does not know about defense cuts, we do not know how many people refused, how many were interviewed, if it was a professional sociological survey on the street, as it should be, it is necessarily recorded how many people refused, how many people had such an opinion as and such an opinion and so on, then the researcher is responsible for the distribution of these data, for their interpretation, this is the elementary ethics of research, in this case, what is the ethics of research, we got some amount in this cut, once again, although people, when they read the sentence that all the young people depicted there in the video think like that, we perceive all the youth, these are the first two words in the sentence, we perceive all the young people, and what all the young people on this video, we no longer perceive , that is, this is information that goes somewhere, and let's show the audience this video again, after we talked about it, maybe someone

will look at it in a different way, from a different angle, what do you know about the defense of mariupol, nothing, nothing, no, i don't know anything, i don't... i don't read the news, why? and i'm not i like to burden myself with bad news, and i am for the good, but everything is bad there and i don’t want to burden myself, how did the defense of mariupol end, this moment, no, it was may 20, 22nd year, the defense of azovstali, and azovstali, oh well so far, how to say it, so far, well, i forgot the name of the piece test, in short, the power plant, they are occupying it, i ’m telling you, well, it’s not the whole fragment, there was also a woman who apparently lived as a refugee in germany and she says that we in germany are more traumatized, well, i am now telling others

words, she didn't speak like that, we perceive the news traumatized, so we try to somehow have other problems, submit documents in germany, and she says, we are all in germany, there are ukrainians, but after your previous answer, the construction came to my mind the fact that the youth, they are not exactly, and mostly consume similar content of popular and not so popular bloggers there, and when we talk about serious, correct sociological research, then for the most part no one does it, except for journalists and people who are interested in it, will not even figure out how we should form an information bubble for young people to explain that if, if you think , you are interested in some kind of research, then these are real studies, and this is manipulation, because

the young people suffered this cut on social networks, and if they can bear it now, look at a cool sociological study, a survey, no one can do a representative study , which does not exclude such a thing, because they, they do not watch tv, but we are still every year at the school of journalism, we conduct interviews and now, 100% of entrants, they say, they don't watch tv, they consume news from tiktok, youtube and social networks, so the first thing is to go to where they are sitting, and from the fact that we are there or on a single marathon or on on tv, we will show a few more stories about the heroes of mariupol, about the war, it won't work, it won't change anything in their world, a popular blogger who will explain in simple words... even less, even in 30 seconds, who will tell something there,

so what it is, is the world they live in, or computer games, yes, children are coming now, they don't run to read books, they don't run to turn on the tv, they run, or watch videos on tikto or somewhere on youtube, or they turn on some computer games, that 's where you have to go , if we want to convey something. to tell so that it was interesting to them, so that it was not some kind of story imposed on them, but simply to speak with them in the language they speak and in the circumstances in which they live, i.e. make documentaries on television, about defenders, it is necessary, but it is for older people, for those who watch tv, for those who again consume content, different content, and this must also be done, and for children, for under...' for youth is a completely, completely different world, but mrs. irina, at the beginning, rightly noticed that not only young people there do not know some facts, i remember

we talked to a girl in the newsroom, and she came to the beauty salon and says that the woman did not know that kherson was deoccupied, she wanted to send a parcel, she says, you can go to kherson to send, he says that he is already occupied, you say and no , on november 11 of last year he was deoccupied, and this is not a young person, this is already a person of age, how differently, ms. irina, the psyche of a child, a teenager and an adult perceive the same thing the same information, the same events, i just remember myself in the 90s, when there was a coup in the soviet union, i remember it on tv, i watched it, well , without emotional, just simply interesting, something tanks there , some people are sitting, their hands are shaking, something is happening in ukraine, well, i looked and moved on, to what extent, how much is the emotional response of children, youth and adults like him? the difference is the same events, because for us mariupol is a terrible tragedy of thousands of dead, peaceful residents, our

military, to what extent does this penetrate the youth and children as it does adults? even children are teenagers, it's a different story, why? because the development of the brain is still taking place and in adolescence the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for analysis, self-control, will and so on, so... reaching adolescence is exclusively emotions, bright, dynamics, a bright picture, and even more so children who have actually grown up on gadgets, who have grown up on such content, that is, it is not about our childhood with you, ah, teenagers are already gradually starting to form such and such a volitional part, but it is not yet sufficiently developed, that is why they are also actively exposed to these, emotional, such bright pictures, dynamic, they need this constant content, it must be.. dynamic, what the older a person becomes, the more this willpower component and self-control should be developed, yes, that is, a person should already somehow

analyze, think critically, he should, but for some reason does not, therefore, on the one hand, we cannot expect from the younger generation exactly this kind of understanding in principle, and on the other hand, in principle, it is necessary to teach this critical thinking, i always talk about the fact that when we talk about the manipulation of mass consciousness, that the first moment when you have to understand and ask yourself the question, what is this content, when an emotion was turned on in you, if you reacted emotionally, well, we are also normal, healthy people, there are topics to which we react emotionally, each of us has some special topics, but just like me, i felt that an emotion came over me, i immediately asked myself what kind of content it was, who was its author and why was it created, and that was the story with this video when i watched it, i specifically watched it under our meeting, and looked, not just looked about and even said that the students it is possible to show, yes, yes, yes, we just recently had a couple about exactly the manipulation of mass consciousness, i will return this

case to them, and what did i lead to, i watched the video itself and saw how it spread further, with what content the official sources spread it further, ugh, well, there are a lot of questions, why the official sources, we ourselves, are the victims and grab this hook, but we explained what we are for and what conclusions we want to draw, that we are not, but what is so and what needs to be changed, mr. ruslan said that young people no longer perceive what is being shown tv, we need a blogger who will sit down at the table like this and explain in two minutes everything that happened in maripol, we need 30 seconds at x2 speed, we need such formats on television, here’s a blogger, not a host anymore, well, i don’t know, choose a portrait of the leading blogger there and who will sit and explain on television in a youtube tick-tock format, by the way, we have such a format. you have to, you have to pull this kind of tv, i just think that a very large part of young

people, uh, teenagers, they just don't watch tv at all, so... no, well for that is, you will create these sections for those people who will no longer accept these formats, they accept it here in the format of a smartphone, in the format of a tablet and in the format of computer games, so there is no need, there is no need to impose it again, they have many do not have a tv, but our applicants, again those who enter our school of journalism, do not have a tv at home, because we, what will we...' and why do they go to journalism, how do they explain where they will be to work, there are different explanations, it depends on where they will work on the internet, c youtube, creating for me is also fine, but nevertheless, we have what we have, this is how they consume news, it does not mean that they are not interested in news, they just consume it in a different way, but how, i want to return to

what you said you do a lot of content analysis. our enemy in russia, how they work with their youth, how they explain the war, how they justify it, because we , we know that they are very active and bring textbooks, and they create even before the start of the war, they were there , i remembered them there was such a popular video on youtube, i am an occupier, they talk about how cool they are, how cool they are, what they are, what they are accused of occupying, but in fact, they also brought gas there, and built a railway there, and in fact the whole world is only flourishing from the fact that they, they are the occupiers in quotes, how they work with the spread of war and the spread of their truth in quotes, well, this is a complete totality, this is like the soviet times, this is starting schools there, these are such and such examples,

which you named, television, of course, all social networks. textbooks, classroom hours, and pioneers-heroes, here i am again recalling all these myths from soviet times that we were taught at school, which turned out to be false then, and there were also propanfilovites and about aza kosmodimyanskaya and so on and so on, that's all that now imitates russia, imitates the kremlin, what they implement, and here is the bet on this total propaganda, that neither children, nor teenagers, nor adults, they simply have no chance to break out of this... information bubble, wherever they go did not go, they will, all information will be so standardized, specially selected for their age, for their there, mental level and so on, that's why they bet on it, and even they segmented, yes, the information space, it's for children, it's for teenagers, it's for young people, it's for adults, and even the english translation, they do under itself, there is a famous

american morning show series, apple tv has not left russia, that is why they teach. some series, movies on apple tv, apple tv left russia and they, by the way, do not translate the series into russian, russia itself already, well, they teach in english for russians, they teach, and the russians have already taken this series and i translated it, they translated it in their own way, why, because there was such a phrase that the russians are shooting civilians in mariupol, they made it completely russian, they made their own version and it is our azerbaijanis. are shot and given to the russian-speaking audience for theirs, in this sense they are absolutely, well, well done , i can’t say that to the enemy, but they are really well done in the sense that, first of all, this is a system that works and works on very different levels , and eh, by and large, the methods of manipulation are the same, they have been known for a long, long time, have been known for centuries, and the only thing is that now they are being adapted and, er, introduced into the information space, children's

cartoons created by russians, yes, that is, well, in mine. a child, for example, i sometimes hear a cartoon somewhere in the background, and i recognize it right away in this text, it is so veiled, it is, well, a child definitely does not recognize it, and even in principle, well, if an untrained specialist does not recognize it, it is musical content , just entertainment content that is listened to, those series, films that are created, but it is done so veiled and neatly that in principle the consumer, he does not read it, he does not understand it, and this is a russian consumer, and this includes our ukrainians who watch it. our children consume in the same way, and so on, and you actually find yourself in the eye of the information bubble that my colleague is talking about, yes, when you have no other reality, this information bubble is completely subordinated to the only correct vision, yes, when they say that the azov people are getting drunk, recall a few years ago in one british newspaper there was an article that the russian cartoon masha and the bear is

an example of russian propaganda, oh, they were laughed at then, oh, masha and the bear, the same