[000:00:00;00] the palette of the poetry of the shot revival, we did different musical arrangements, all in our style, but everything is very different, we approached this album with our experience, which we did not have for so many years, and well, before that we worked on, if you remember, was our joint ukrainian-polish album with andrzej statsyuk mickiewicz, the work and this work was so peculiar, for us , an experimental experiment there, well, this experience on palexander, uh, we have to, we have to finish it, because we simply even passed the time, but we wish you a powerful premiere, we are waiting for the album of oleksandr yarmola, the leader of the haidamaka band, with a music video for the song haiadaka based on a poem by volodymyr sesyura with the premiere, and we are finishing our morning broadcast, we will meet in

the afternoon. glory to ukraine, this is a verdyk program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. butchers from hamas in russia, putin was once again buried, and orban and fico are jokers in the kremlin deck. we talk about this and other things today in the program. 50 billion for ukraine, what are the key topics of the eu summit in brussels. orban and fitso are trolling the west, which will the european union or putin's friends do. bonding a broken cup, which china and the us can agree on. the death of the russian dictator, why is the kremlin actively playing the game, is putin dead or not? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests. the first and most important guest of ours is the politician and diplomat volodymyr

ogrysko. in connection with our studio, yes. there will also be our special correspondent in brussels, who worked at the eu summit, tetyana vysotska, and dmytro didora, our correspondent who is currently in nikopol, today i spent the whole day in nikopol, which is under attack from the russian invaders. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video about the consequences of the attack of the russian invaders on the izyum fire station, first. killed with two rockets with rockets in iskander city. eight rescuers were injured and the building of the fire rescue unit of the state emergency service and a number of residential

buildings were damaged, let's see. friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our pages on these platforms, well, take part in our survey

, today we are asking you about who you trust on... well , and the options for answers, the president of ukraine, the government of ukraine, the verkhovna rada, nato and the un, your option, any please write in the comments below this video. we have a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr hryska. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, good health to you and all our viewers. sir volodymyr, let's start our conversation with the visit of the hamas delegation to the kremlin, because 2.5 weeks have passed and hamas has come to russia. on october 7, on putin's birthday, hamas struck israel and committed a massacre on the territory of the state of israel, today a member of the hamas politburo, marzuk, says that in moscow, they will discuss the future of the region, which

is different from what is depicted in the united states of america, or the obvious , mr. volodymyr, for the world there is a connection between putin and hamas. you know, mr. serhiy, you were telling all these things, and something to me i remembered a soviet-era formula that the soviet communists hammered into the heads of everyone else, and it sounded very simple : we say party, we say lenin, we understand the party, we say the party, we understand lenin, but approximately the same thing can be done without hesitation, changing the words of the party of lenin on hamas and russia, uh, to conclude that it's actually one and the same thing, because even people who are far from, you know, details like that, just analyzing elementary things,

will come to the conclusion that this the action on october 7 was prepared, prepared in advance, prepared carefully prepared with the help of the special services of both russia and iran, and not only the special services, but also military instructors, both in one country and in another, and then it exploded at the moment when russia found it necessary, and why it was necessary, necessary because it was necessary to urgently divert attention from ukraine, from what is happening here, to promote one's agenda, and er, to try to refocus, so to speak, the attention of the west from ukraine to israel, it partially succeeded, but it seems to me that it actually had the opposite effect , because the world saw that and for

by events in ukraine, by events in israel, and by possible events that can explode anywhere, there in transnistria, again, in the post-soviet space, where there were many points and not only there russia stands, so i think that this is a pyrrhic victory for the kremlin, he actually only strengthened the feeling in the world that this half-empire must be ended. well, there is the reaction of john kirby, the coordinator of strategic communications of the white house, to the visit of the senior leadership of hamas to moscow. let's listen. i can not speak. about their travel habits, or about their conversations with russians. our message to every country in the world is this: this is not the time to in any way support hamas' ability to continue killing israelis. of course, any nation

that wants to be involved should look for ways to help israel defend itself and help get humanitarian aid. so we'll see what comes out of this conversation. fast. when the senior leadership of hamas came to russia, the deputy minister of foreign affairs of iran flew there, but we know that iran's foreign minister hossein amir abdolahiyan said that he does not welcome the expansion of hostilities in the middle east region, said that the united states and israel will receive fire if the fighting against hamas in the gaza strip continues, well, judging by the latest reports, there i understand that the letter has already disconnected the internet and obviously israel is preparing for a ground operation , in your opinion, how likely is it now that iran will start

a war in the middle east against israel and the united states of america, because there are two aircraft carrier groups americans, what consequences will this have, both for the middle east, and for ukraine in the context of another war on the world map. well, you see, i'll start by saying that in my opinion, mr. kirba's reaction is, as always , weak, that is, it's talking about, so to speak, about tourists, about political tourists, well, he once said that , that wherever they want, they will travel, you know, this, this is not, this is not, is not the reaction of the country, which is the strongest in the world, but i cannot get rid of the impression that there are still afraid to put the aggressor in his place, and so it's real provokes the aggressor to go further, well, we have seen it

in history, we have seen it both in distant history and in recent history, but this tactic, some kind of appeasement, some kind of warning. instead of putting an end once and seriously, she, she is actually the cause of that uncertainty from which everyone suffers. that is, well, imagine, iran suddenly announces that it will start hostilities, actions in favor of hamas, come on, well , even here you can't even compare, this, this is not even an elephant and a bridge, this is an elephant and a mouse, i i mean usa, hamas, usa, and the same iran, yes iran has some, but it's something, it's 0.000 and there's a lot of zeros and then

some ones from what the us has, especially since you're absolutely right that by accident, they pulled up two carrier groups in the mediterranean sea, which means that in a few hours this entire armada, which is a terrible force, begins to act in such a way that, as they say, there is nothing equal, exactly nothing in the territory where it is going, where it is going. where it works, that is, no, no, it is not for iran to set conditions for the americans, and it is very bad that the americans, instead of reacting to these, calls, to iran and to these provocations properly, they are responding, well, in my opinion, palely, not as it should be, uh, in terms of whether it can provoke a war, no, it cannot provoke a war, so

that because there will not be this war as such after the first day of the use of american armed forces against hamas and against iran, by the way, israel, i don't know if you have already seen this footage, is already conducting an actual ground operation, already destroying these tunnels that they were buried there like moles by hamas terrorists, and this is actually the beginning of this... operation, so that iran it's already late in that regard, the operation is already underway, it just doesn't go the way it usually does, it happens that there's some kind of full-scale, widespread invasion going on, that's the point so far operations that actually have the same effect, so i think that we don't need to be afraid of this so-called, verbal escalation by iran, but i think that our american ...partners should clearly and clearly state

that, god forbid, iran will sneak in somewhere, eh, from its military-industrial complex, in a couple of days it will remain except for mentions, and by the way, it would be me seems to be a very justified policy, because iran is getting closer to getting nuclear weapons, some western intelligence officials believe that it is literally a few steps away from that, uh, decision, and what's more, it's now, well, virtually devoid of any- what limitations, limitations in terms of missile technology, therefore, the destruction of such potential would benefit both the united states of america, and israel, and the entire region. mr. vladimir, this week in the context of what you have already said, one of the leaders of the republicans in the senate. of the united states

america's mitch mcconnell, a rather cautious person who comments rather cautiously on the situation both in the united states of america and in the world , said that now there is a new evil message, he said that russia, iran and china, you need to take it all as evil message , which threatens, including the united states of america, is not reserved about it, as mcconnell told me, or means. that mcconnell is trying to warn both russia and china that in the event of an escalation of the situation in the middle east, that they should not get involved on the side of iran and that they should not, let's say, create an formed an axis of evil because the united states of america would perceive it as the party against which the united states of america would

use military force. well, i would add here that among these three, the fourth is north korea, which, by the way, very actively helps one of the policies of this axis of evil, namely russia, to wage its war of aggression in ukraine, so that without this point, the axis of evil will be incomplete , well, not adding to it any point elements of this axis in the form of a conditional cuba there, venezuela there or something like belarus, belarus absolutely, therefore, therefore, i think that we should really talk about an evil that is actively being formed, or that has already been actively formed, because the actions of all these countries, they show

that what unites them, hatred of western civilization, they are united by hatred of democracy. what they have in common is their hatred of human rights, they want to build their totalitarian imperial world, so in that sense, well, the senator is right in my opinion, and here i think he's just talking about something that is actually either coming to an end or has already come to an end , what of this, you can, whatever you want conclusions from this would be drawn by the chinese and, well, first of all, the chinese , i think, they would draw if, well, so to speak, they looked a little ahead, would draw a conclusion about what is actually better, step back and try

to negotiate that in fact, it seems to me that it is happening right now, look, a meeting is being prepared, and a meeting is being seriously prepared , between the leadership of china and the united states of america, and it seems to me that the americans have every opportunity to explain to xi jinping one simple thing, that if we, that is, the united states america and china, we will look for compromises and ways of normal coexistence, then we can really influence the development of events in the whole world. if we quarrel and look for ways to, so to speak, get each other, then we can enter

a very negative phase of relations not only bilaterally, but also at the global level. therefore, it is better to negotiate, better. to understand, the weight of each other, in the weight, well, i will tell you, it is huge, the usa and the usa alone and china together give, well, more than 40% of the world gdp, well , where is russia with its own, the percentage is there, or percentage with a tail there is 2.0 or 30, eh, there it is not visible even with binoculars, only the nuclear potential gives it the opportunity. for now blackmail the world and so on, everything else is this, this, a trifle that you can't even pay attention to, and these two countries really can, if they find a common language on the basis of common sense, international law, and that what has the world stood on in recent

decades after the second world war, then this can truly be a prologue to a more or less normal world order, so to me. china in although this axis of evil is the second very important pole, but the pole, well, in the context of the russians, they want it to be unreliable, because simply even such a superficial analysis of the situation suggests to the chinese that it is better not to escalate with the west, because they will only lose from it. mr. volodymyr, about the united states of america and china, about prospects. talks about what can happen in november, the meeting between biden and xi jinping is meant, we will talk a little later, now we will have tetyana vysotska on the phone, she works in brussels and was at the summit today to the european union, tatiana, good evening, good evening

serhiy, glad to see you, good evening studio, tanya, tanya, what happened today, let's explain to our viewers, because. a lot of different information is coming and that they were going to agree on the allocation of 50 billion euros of macro-financial assistance to ukraine, they did not agree, it was postponed, if i am not mistaken, to december, and of course, fico and orban were also at this summit, and these are two such jokers in the sleeve putin, and they constantly, constantly try to explain that there is no need to help ukraine, it is necessary to give such a lot of money, because there is corruption , because we are exhausted, because we do not know what to tell our people about it, what happened and in what way, please tell us. so, first of all, the fact that at this summit they were going to agree on 50 billion euros for ukraine is

not quite the case, because the summit program planned that initiatives to allocate 50 billion euros for ukraine would be discussed, but the final decision would be made under during the next summit of the european council, which will take place on december 14-15, also here in brussels, and during the next month, more negotiations will be held with each member state of the european union, two meetings of the council of the eu will be held, this is another body that also deals with the allocation of financial aid to ukraine, the meetings of the council of the ic will be held in november, 2023 and on the eve of the summit on december 12 of this year, i.e. still... the big process is ongoing and no decisions were planned to be made at this summit, another thing is that of course orban

and fico presented a united front against providing aid to ukraine, fico generally called ukraine the most corrupt country in the world, and orban said that ukraine will not win the war and it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table with putin, that is, both leaders of these countries showed themselves as expected, and actually... those who are aware of the course of closed discussions during the summit, they unanimously declare that except for orbán and fitso, all other leaders of the european union support 50 billion euros, and it has already become a matter of principle for the european union to continue supporting ukraine, and therefore until december in one way or another, despite all the statements that fitz, that orbana , both leaders states must be convinced. and in december they still support 50 billion euros for ukraine and the continuation of financial support for ukraine

by the european union. another topic for the leaders of the european union is the use of frozen assets or frozen money that are in the accounts of western banks, or that are in papers that are also placed in european banks, we are talking about 300 billion dollars. which belong to the russian federation, and the conversation about it has already begun, and the only question is in what way and how this money will be used, as i understand it, judging by the reports coming from brussels, the european commission should put forward the relevant legal proposals also at the beginning of december, and it will be clear how this money can be used by ukraine, including for the restoration of parts of the east and south aware of this, you have absolutely

correctly noted that currently the european council has called on the european commission to present concrete mechanisms by which the european union can use russian frozen funds to direct them to reconstruction of ukraine, and in fact, the head of the european commission, ursula fondern, has already announced that at the moment we are talking about income from the money that is in bank accounts, and these incomes will somehow be redirected to the budget of the european union and from there to the budget of ukraine , that is, this is the scheme considered by the european commission so far, but let me remind you that last week the question of not just using the income from frozen russian money, but also developing a confiscation mechanism, was also raised about this... also now in the european union is working, it is more complicated legally, but let's hope that they will succeed. thank you tetyana, you for inclusion, it

was tetyana vysotska, our correspondent who works in brussels, she followed the progress of the european summit, the european union. mr. volodymyr, we return to our conversation , a politician, diplomat and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9 are in touch with us. volodymyr ogrysko, we see how at this summit, orban suddenly got fico in the duet, because fico was brought into office this week prime minister of slovakia, fico said that bratislava will not provide military aid to ukraine, and during a speech before the parliamentary committee on european affairs, just before the summit in brussels, he literally said the following. it is better to negotiate peace for 10 years, meaning ukraine and russia, than to kill each other for 10 years without any result, and fizo added,

the future of ukraine and peace in ukraine should be decided by two states, russia and the united states of america, well, apparently nothing new phytso he did not say, because during the election campaign, he repeatedly repeated this in the previous term as prime minister, he also took approximately the same position, what do you say about these two trojan horses in the european union and what to expect from them on our european path, well, we will have to wait for quite unpleasant things, and we must immediately tell ourselves clearly and clearly about it and realize it, that is, look at what orbán is doing now with the entry of sweden into nato, that is, well, you understand, to cling to anything, because there is nothing to cling to

why, they invented that some swedish politicians are talking about the legal system of hungary. well, well, well, what else can be said about this politician, this, this gentleman whom you are now showing, showing, he is also the same populist, uh, well, of the highest level, if you can say so, a populist who eh, well, actually, even before, when he was in the positions of prime minister, and even more so now he will do what they will say in moscow, that one, that the other, these are really, you are right, trojan horses of the kremlin, which receive indirectly but funding is indirect, and they probably received it before , and it should be said the same way, the only thing that really

surprises me is why uh, uh, european politicians, why uh, the european council, the european parliament, the european, the european commission, they have been thinking for so long about the fact that these politicians are actually undermining the foundations of what is called european solidarity, well, look, in europe there is such a concept as a common foreign and security policy, well, this means that the countries who, so to speak, have sworn to be members of these unions, they have to, they have to, they can't, they have to follow a certain line, if the countries violate these agreements, then it is probably logical, on the part of the other members of this association, to say, dear

friends, either, or, or you return to what they signed. or you and i say goodbye, and in this regard, i very much support the statement of borel, who clearly and clearly said to orbán's absolutely absurd statement that hungary in the european union is the same as hungary under the boot of the soviet union, so the question is in the question, if it is so , so let's go out join the union state of russia, belarus, you will also, from this something , once again officially openly receive the advice of god, but what is the point of staying in these two unions and actually undermining them from the inside, i really hope that finally after long considerations, weighing, re-weighing and so on, the european commission will finally decide on a different

order of adoption, sorry for the groupology of decision-making, because the fact that these countries, these unions are built on the principle of consensus, means that such trojan horses, and they may be a lot, even more so, let's also think about the perspective of the western balkans, where serbia is being dragged into this european union by the ears, by the hands and by the legs, then these communities will simply cease to function effectively if the trojan horses of the aggressor will conduct politics inside. noise, that's why i hope that finally a decision will be made, eh, and likewise, your colleague from brussels talked about how they are now deciding how to work with russian frozen assets, well, how much can be decided, why not you can take examples belgium or estonia, which have already found the legal mechanisms, how to do it, why it

can't be done at the level of the european union, as a union, that is...