[000:00:00;00] consensus means that such trojan horses, and there may be many of them, moreover, let's also think about the perspective of the western balkans, where serbia is being dragged by the ears, by the hands and by the legs into this european union, then these the communities will simply cease to really function if the trojan horses, the aggressors, will internally carry out the policies of this aggressor, so i hope that on... a decision will still be made, and likewise, your colleague from brussels spoke about what is now there decide how to work with russian frozen assets, well, how much it is possible to decide why it is not possible to take the examples of belgium or estonia, which have already found legal mechanisms, how to do it, why it cannot be done at the level of the european union as an association, that is

, unfortunately, this... indecision, this bureaucracy, it, it actually, not only hinders us, but it actually hinders the european union and nato itself. we will listen, mr. volodymyr, to what orban says about the future of ukraine and how hungary does not want to finance ukraine, and about the fact that the ukrainians will not win during the current war, let's listen to orban. i don't know about europe, but i am convinced that hungary has neither the ability nor the desire to finance ukraine, because i see no reason for us to direct taxpayers' money to support ukraine. today, everyone knows, but does not dare to say out loud, that the eu strategy has failed. obviously that won't work. ukrainians will not win on the front line. this is what

every military expert says. but politicians do not want to admit it yet. mr. volodymyr, this is the person who heads the state, which receives the largest subsidies from of the european union and says that we are not going to help ukraine, he himself takes a lot of money from the european union, but says that we will not help ukraine, and how can hungary help ukraine? well, you see, i just wanted to add that he ... forgot to say when he was talking about military experts, forgot to add the word of russian military experts who believe that ukraine will not win, experts who really assess the situation on the battlefield taking into account opportunities, providing ukraine with everything necessary weapons, for some reason they think a little differently, and this difference lies in the fact that if

ukraine receives... uh, what it needs in the right quality, then russia will really be forced to leave both crimea and the south of ukraine, and the east of ukraine, if it does not want what is there to be simply physically destroyed, so here it is necessary to clarify who this gentleman has in mind, and regarding what he receives and is very interested in receiving european funds, that is an absolute fact, and this, by the way, mr. sriyu, is another very a powerful tool that the european commission can use to change his point of view, you see how the situation is now, he is even against, not that 50 billion euros for ukraine, he is even against giving ukraine 500 million

aid, which is about to be...' approved and asks the question like this: well, i agree that we will give 500 million to ukraine, and you will give, you, that is , the european union, the european commission, will give us something 15 or 16 billion, actually, it reminds me of, you know, such and such, well, such and such a bazaar form, a form of interaction, i.e. you give us a lot more, and we will agree that we will give ukraine many times less of your money. well , this is the logic that the hungarian prime minister actually promotes. i don't know why this logic is still, i repeat, liked by officials, officials in brussels? together with orbán, the same policy is supported by the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, peter szijártó. he visited minsk, spoke with lukashenko, including about the war in ukraine, about

what should be... the european future in general. let's hear what the speaker, siyarto, has to say about lukashenko. lukashenko, to be more precise.

mr. volodymyr, how can you explain the voters of slovakia and the voters of hungary in general, because both orbán, fitso, and szijjártó are the people to whom power was delegated, the citizens of these countries, and these countries suffered quite seriously at one time from the soviet union . and were long under the control of the ssr, eastern europe, in general, how can it be explained that the voters choose those politicians who gravitate more to moscow than to brussels? well, you see, mr. serhiy, in the case of slovakia, the situation is not so simple because, well, if one of the parties participating in the election had made a different choice. er, and i would go to a coalition with those who are there today in the opposition, well , with the previous, let's say, the government, then fizo would never be the prime minister again, that is , the number of people you are talking about, in fact in

the same slovakia does not exceed, well, the conditional 20-25% there , well, this is what actually exists in all post-socialist countries, there are categories of people who... liked socialism, just like here, there are still people who liked soviet socialism and life in the soviet union, well, it’s true, even today statistics say that there are 57% of ukrainians who believe that it was good under the soviet union, and you won’t do anything with them, this, this is, so to speak, a way thinking, that's why... that's why, in fact, we have to twist the eyes of democracy, when a party that is far from a majority, that has the same, there is a fifth or a fourth part of

public support, becomes the leader, and its leader holds the position of prime minister - minister, unfortunately, this is what brought hitler to power at one time, because he, too, was elected, although elected, again, no , not by an overwhelming majority, but, in the meantime, this happened, the only thing, we must understand that slovakia and hungary, since they are included in the eu and nato, well, they cannot afford , already very extremist, let's say things like that, that is, they will, they will put sticks in the wheels, they will look for absolutely any inadequate, not unreasonable arguments, everyone will see it, it will all accumulate, and in the

end brussels will put an end, well the only question for me is why this point is not there for so long and why these two politicians do not feel that money is real. they, and you are right about it, receive the general european coffers, and this coffers are clearly not filled by hungarians and clearly not slovaks, these are completely different countries, but look, the ones who shout the most about the fact that we should do something are those who these european funds of funds receive as much as possible, so this is typical populism on the one hand, and on the other hand it is what is prescribed to them from moscow and they do it because, i think, they are sitting on very direct and understandable subsidies that they receive from muscovy.

thank you, mr. volodymyr, let's continue our conversation, after including our correspondent from nikopol, dmytro didora is there, he saw the consequences of enemy attacks on the construction of a new aqueduct, let's add him to our conversation, dmytro, congratulations, please tell us how the situation is in nikopol and in the dnipropetrovsk region, i know that you are now in zaporizhzhia, how do people live in conditions of constant shelling, because the russians constantly reach nikopol and shell the zaporizhzhia region, congratulations, sergey, i congratulate our viewers, indeed now we are in zaporizhzhia, we came here on a business trip to film what the russians are doing, today we worked all day in nikopol, and indeed, according to the locals, the enemy is shelling nikopol every day three times a day, as they say, in the morning, at noon and in the evening, until it calms down, they can even fire at night, when the local population is sleeping and

cannot get to the shelters, for example, and operational information from nikopol, this is today, the enemy shelled nikopol with artillery, a child was injured, the boy was five years old, also a 58-year-old woman, they are in the hospital, their condition is average and they are now being given all the necessary medical care , 10 private houses were damaged, an outbuilding was destroyed, another 13 were damaged, 20 solar panels were also broken and power lines were damaged, this the information appeared when we had already left nikopol, we saw, we had time to see the consequences of the earlier arrivals, in particular , we talked with mrs. larisa, her house, a shell fell next to her house and damaged

the house, let's hear her about the consequences. there was a big crash, everything flew around the yard, fragments flew, organs were collected and arrived, everything was collected, everything was dug out of holes and everywhere, the fence, the house, the window, the glass flew out, well, what else is possible, well, it was very scary , the russians at the kakhovskaya hydroelectric plant in nikopol and in general in kryvyi rih had problems with water supply with drinking water, but the government allocated money to build main water pipes, and we saw one today, how it is being built, we talked with the workers, so the materials, the pipes themselves, they were brought from spain, in total there will be three sections of the water pipeline, which will be able to pass about 300,000 cubic meters of water, and the total length of the water pipeline. will be 87 km to

provide marganets, nikopol, pokrov and krivyi rih. today we saw a plot being built in nikopol, and there their plot is 41 km long. they say that they are conducting hydraulic tests so that everything is intact, but they are also suffering from russian shelling. let's hear the workers. we lay about 80-90 pipes a day. below, there near drain where we will connect, we very often come under fire, put on bulletproof vests, fairy tales, that is, risk our lives too, no matter how much we want to, but everything in our power, we do everything, regarding zaporizhzhia, i will note a few words , people continue to live here, it’s almost 9 p.m., but the city center is alive, as you can see, cars are driving, people are walking around the square, but here’s a big report about nikopol, see

tomorrow at 9 p.m. in the news the summary of the week, there i will tell you detailed information about water supply and other problems of nikopol, as of now, i have the following information for you, serhiy. thank you, it was dmytro didora, our correspondent, who visited nikopol today and is now in zaporizhzhia. mr. volodymyr, back to our conversation, friends, i remind you that volodymyr ogryzko, a politician, diplomat and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, is with us today. in 2007-2009, er, we see that the russian federation continues to hit the infrastructure facilities of ukraine, this week there were flights over khmelnytskyi region almost every night and these flights had serious consequences for the region. zelensky hinted that ukraine will attack the infrastructure of the russian federation, that we will respond. before. the west was quite cautious about

such a perspective, saying that ukraine should not strike with western weapons on the territory of russia, so as not to provoke moscow into a response. tell me, if in the middle east israel does start a ground operation in the gaza sector, and this is also israel's response to the attacks by hamas, can the west change... its position regarding ukraine's strikes on the territory russian federation? well, israel, as we have already said, mr. serhiy, has actually started this operation, it is being carried out, it is being carried out point by point. is being carried out very successfully, it seems to me, because uh, those mole holes that the terrorists have dug, over the last years, and through which they supplied, uh, everything necessary for the terrorists to

commit uh, this terrible massacre on october 7 , they are destroyed and destroyed, by very ... powerful armor-piercing bombs, which, well , actually make these tunnels into graves for the terrorists that are in them, and this that's right, i think so, it is necessary to behave with those who commit atrocities, as well as those who do not, who do not have, so to speak , names, this is exactly what the russians are doing in ukraine, so i think that the answer here is be absolutely identical, and we do not need to be afraid to explain to our western partners that without destroying the conditional airport 200 km from the border with ukraine, we will not be able

to ensure the security of ukrainian territory itself, because it is obvious even to a non-specialist, if we we tolerate the fact that they use all their capabilities, and only defend, then we will never win, that is the question, if the west wants us to be constantly on the defensive, and russia is constantly on the offensive, then such a tactic, well, is quite logical, if the west wants us to defeat russia, do not let it more opportunities to do what it does, then yes, it should be different, then we should also destroy its russian e, airfields, bases, er, equipment, everything that does not give them the opportunity to commit their crimes, so here in the end, it is necessary to make

a decision, whether the measure is for the victory of ukraine, or event for the defeat of russia, from this political decision, all others follow. practical, i really hope that after providing ukraine with the first atahans missiles and taking into account the encouraging statements coming from and, our sources and not our sources, we can hope that the next ones will be missiles that fly 300 km, and the very use of such missiles on objects inside the russian federation, will mean that you will have to move your airfields much further into the territory, this will mean that it will take much more time to take off, and this in its turn will mean that our air defense and anti-aircraft forces will be ready to fight back, so there is an obvious

logic here that we should talk about, and all the more so that there is still hope that we will use not only western weapons, but also own and how we will use our own weapons, no one has any political or moral right to tell us, this is our decision, which is taken only by our ukrainian military leadership. mr. volodymyr, we have already mentioned the role of china in the current situation, the world situation, and today, we know that xi jinping's visit to the united states of america and the meeting with joseph biden are being prepared, and today , it became known that wang yi, the minister of foreign affairs, china, in a meeting with the secretary of state, anthony blinken, stated that , that both china and the united states of america should conduct a dialogue, and before that , the chinese foreign ministry issued a statement citing

xi jinping, who said that the fate of humanity depends on mutual understanding between china and the united states of america. we will hear. what did wang yi say at the meeting with blinkin? china and the united states must engage in dialogue. the dialogue should not only be renewed, but also deepened and comprehensive, so that through dialogue we can improve understanding, reduce misunderstandings and misjudgments, constantly strive to expand points of contact and continue mutually beneficial cooperation, so that we can stabilize china's influence and the united states and return to a path of healthy, stable and sustainable development. you can often hear harsh statements about sino-american relations, but china treated them calmly, because we believe that the rightness or wrongness of the actions of an individual party is determined not by who has a stronger

hand or a louder voice, but by whether the country behaves in accordance with the provisions of the three joint sino-american communiques, international law, the basic norms of international relations and trends of time. mr. volodymyr, will there be a place in these negotiations, which have actually already been started by van yentoni blinken. sino-american and future xi jinping and joseph biden talks, will there be a place in ukraine? well, obviously it will be, mr. sergey, if the americans and the chinese agree on the normalization, and not on the aggravation of their bilateral relations. well, see if. can china go for a sharp escalation?

well, theoretically, it seems so, that is, he wants to promote his totalitarian, idea , totalitarian agenda, everywhere in the world, he is looking for his allies for this and surprisingly he finds them, but will it give him, economic benefit? definitely not, he's serious. let's not forget that the epoch is, well , such a simply fantastic economic one china's development is, if not over, coming to an end, and let's not forget that the americans have finally understood the simple truth that if they continue to give china the latest technology, it will use it against the united states of america, and you see a trend that is that the americans are withdrawing... in fact from china, their capital and very effectively and efficiently recommending their allies

to do the same. and what does this mean for the chinese economy? this means stagnation and problems. are these problems necessary, sijipinnu and china as a whole. of course not, it is much more pragmatic for him to come to an agreement with the americans, and in this way at least stabilize his economic problems. so they won't be cloudless, they, they will continue one way or another, but , but it's not at all like when the economy falls down, god forbid that it will stand in its place and that will be enough, and in this context, the question arises , and what is the role of russia here, and its aggression against ukraine, if the americans and chinese agree, then, one word from beijing, moscow... about what is necessary

to finish, the aggression, it will be enough for putin to understand that he has no other choice, well, you look at what the russian economy has turned into in relation to china, it has turned into a real economic appendage, and nothing more, the entire economic policy of russia has been reoriented during these 18 months exclusively to china so, if... china decides that it, say , does not buy russian oil, or does not want to buy russian gas, then this means that the russian economy cannot, in principle, develop further, because in the west they are from there went themselves, in the east, they will be told, no, no, let's do this, this and this, otherwise you have no other choice, and putin or not putin cannot disagree with this, so i i think that an understanding between the americans and the chinese will

only benefit ukraine. well, and for the benefit of ukraine, i hope there will be a new appointment of the speaker, the election, or rather, the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states of america, mike johnson, this is the third official in the united states of america, and we know that he previously opposed financial aid to ukraine, or with caveats. and now he is talking about the fact that the financing of aid to ukraine and israel should be considered separately, and not in one package, he added that he has already passed the proposals to the officials of the white house, let's hear what johnson said. we cannot allow putin to win in ukraine, because i do not believe that this will be the end of it, and it will prompt china to take a step towards taiwan, however, we in the congress are responsible for

managing the finances of america. that in what johnson said, the main thing is that the united states of america cannot let putin win in ukraine because it will lead to a war in taiwan, or make a move, lead to a move by china, regarding taiwan, or the fact that they can't use taxpayers' money, and you have to think very carefully, no, no, i i think that things are actually connected here, it is about the fact that the americans will support ukraine. but they really want to increase the level of control , and his phrase that we must clearly and clearly control where our taxpayers' money goes, well, you have to understand, i it seems, in this way, that is , we want to know and be sure that the money we transfer to ukraine is not

stolen, but goes to real aid, and in this context. i think that biden has something to answer, because you know that there are already so many controllers that are now in ukraine, in my opinion there is no other country, if there are five more, well, let there be five, if there are 10 more, let there be 10, the question, actually, for us in this regard is fundamentally irrelevant, we are ready, and it has already happened several times, in detail down to the dollar to report on what is happening, if it satisfies, er, congress, well yes , thank god, we will continue to be simple, but this is , again, a topic that will be used not only by fico and orbán about the corruption of ukraine, but and these, agaltel trumpists, as they are called, scumbags, supporters of trump , who will use this idea

to discredit ukraine, so all the more our authorities must reject everything that prevents us from saying, we are doing everything necessary and we are doing as fast and specific as possible steps for this corruption to finally disappear from the agenda of our relations, and this is already the responsibility of our authorities, very briefly, mr. volodymyr, how will the election campaign in the united states of america affect the financing of ukraine? i think that it will not affect the financing, if the decisions that we are talking about, and we are talking about, large sums will be invested in the new budget of the united states of america, depending on, yes, on the course of the campaign, well, nothing will depend, the money will be use the administration. thank you sir volodymyr, thank you for the conversation, it was volodymyr

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