bar ilan zf han university. glory to ukraine. dear mr. professor. welcome to the espresso studio. glory to the heroes, mamys raal hai. we stand on the threshold of the third world war. this is not a joke, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is not a warm-up of a relevant topic, we understand that additional players may join the huge bloody crisis in the middle east. in particular , it is about the possible aggressive entry of the state of iran, which is trying to be a puppet master. hezbollah and hamas, well, maybe not a little puppeteer, direct control, yes we understand that the united states has openly entered the game, so we understand that a ground operation may begin soon, this is a very interesting and difficult question, but perhaps we can find an answer, if you please, i will continue in russian, we see that the two hot spots

, which attract special attention today, is the war: ukraine with russia, the demand will reflect russian aggression, with god's help, yes, well, it is clear that the lord himself does not intervene personally, he, so to speak, depends on how much people in the state hear these things messengers yes justice, one way or another, well, now there is a new hot spot, it is not new , it has been going on for 100 years, but now it has acquired, let's say we have reached the finish line, either we or they, this is israel's war with iranian proxies. and here you are absolutely right, saying that the most difficult question today is: will iran personally intervene in this conflict? until today, in tehran they preferred not to declare their own participation, primarily because they are interested, well, relatively relative freedom of action in order to obtain nuclear weapons. just a few weeks, a few months before the beginning of this

conflict, which we have now received information that, in fact, from obtaining a sufficient number of weapons -grade plutonium, iran will take weeks, that is, in fact, it will equip several nuclear bombs, and nuclear ones, in addition to their the missile program that they are developing outside of the 5.1 agreement with tehran, that is, then here is the plan of action to prevent iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, so to speak, today which today looks... very, very naive, right? well, we also remember very well the so-called nuclear agreement that barack obama pushed through with all the corresponding consequences, how his crimean initiative ended, and we also remember well its reboot, reset with arab-muslim countries , and the pressure on israel, which was obliged by its large-scale concessions on the palestinian arab track, to encourage, yes, satisfy some... arab regimes and iran, in order to

prevent chaos in the middle east. today it all looks funny and sad, but actually, then you could more or less imagine what was happening. freaks appear from time to time, in israel there was one member of the merit svoe vremya party , who would rather have remained silent, yes, but he spoke out about the russian-ukrainian conflict in 2014-15. do you want me to tell you what solution to the problem he proposed? two states for two nations, yes, eh, that sounds funny, that is , a state for ukrainian russians and a state for ukrainian ukrainians, that’s about it he said that the solution to the palestinian problem, two states for two peoples, well, that's one thing they got in the gas sector, and that it became - the middle eastern switzerland, it became the middle eastern singapore, there were all the opportunities for this, and the enterprises that the jews left, and greenhouses, which half fed half of europe.

ecologically clean vegetables and the best beaches on the coast, a fully able-bodied population, which, if it were not ruled by bandits, would be able to do well, dear professor, i wanted to return to the iranian nuclear program and the possibility of engaging in certain forms of nuclear terrorism against the state of israel, we understand, yes, this is a question of existential confrontation, it is not just that, you know, two sides have claims against each other, no, it is existential opposition. and we understand that there will be forces in the arab world that will be ready to take terrible unconventional actions, that's right, it's all exactly like that, we've been asking for many years to tell everyone who will listen that arab-israeli and the palestinian-israeli conflict and the conflict between israel and iran, this is not a conflict over territory, this is not a territorial conflict, this is an existential conflict, the question of who will survive, who will remain alive, and the question from the series about when the subjects

who are motivated absolutely join radical messianic ideology , in response to the question, be rational, this will also affect you, nuclear war will... start your end, but you will die, so to speak, and everything, yes, leaves quite a bit of room for compromise, agree, one way or another, iran has not yet intervened in the conflict , openly, it has traditionally, all these years, preferred to act through its proxies, through satellites, this is first of all the strongest, this is the south lebanese hezbollah, and it should not be taken lightly another terrorist movement, this... is actually the party that governs lebanon, lebanon is a country that is being held hostage by hezbollah, and the situation in which, the president, who is not there, yes, the prime minister, who is there, figures who there are in beirut, they shout and say, save us from them, you should not interfere

, because this will be the end of lebanon, and this will be the end of lebanon, in the old days israel had to fight only with the military the wing believed that lebanon somehow does not control the situation , we are not at war with lebanon, but today we will have to fight with lebanon , i do not like to say this, but if they interfere, then such a country as lebanon will be of interest only to archaeologists, they they understand what is the matter, because it will be a question for the survival of the country, israel, i understand, as you understand, the same situation today with hezbollah, but with hamas in the south, but they are already... they , apparently, they took a serious suicidal step , and although they managed to surprise the israelis, and although the losses were catastrophic, it was not for nothing that it reminded the israelis of the days of the holocaust, but

it is clear that israel is tens of times stronger than hamas and the end of this organization is in the near future , they calculated and apparently, the iranians counted on the fact that israel would react sluggishly, as always , get stuck in these battles, very quickly start a ground operation, and there are catacombs, mines, multi-level defense, high losses, and every life is priceless for the israelis, conversations will begin about , that we need to finish this matter, let's negotiate, as always , hizballah intervenes here, it turns out that the record has changed, so to speak, the old concept has exploded in our hands... in our hands, the idea of ​​peaceful coexistence, crisis management, that it is called red deer, yes, restraint, it did not justify itself, that is, all these peace-loving requests and proposals, so get out of the living situation, you must understand, this is not, this is such a people, they are under the oppression

of the occupation, please explain mne occupation , we left there to the last centimeter 18 years ago, we supply products, water and everything else, and electricity, we take people for treatment, er, we give them jobs. well, one way or another, that's it, today this paradigm has changed completely, and less than and the liquidation of this fundamentalist radical islamist regime is out of the question, so hizbullah is holding back a little for the time being, the war is going on in the north, it is going, yes, but it is not a full-scale war, it must be said that our prime minister supports the minister of defense, because his proposal was to proceed not to reactive ones, that is, they will destroy firing points and terrorist infiltrators. from there, let's go to the proactive phase, that is, strike at the main concentrations of the combat wing of hamas, hezbollah, excuse me, at the centers of training and

launches rockets, and they have tens of times more of them than hamas, look, mr. professor, and if we, we are talking about a much wider, i don't know, geopolitical landscape of this current situation, there may even be a feeling that hamas was reprimanded as a kind of bait or as a kind of trigger, yes, they provoked the situation, they killed a great many innocent, civilian israelis and not only israelis, knowing that there would be a very clear, specific reaction, and then perhaps generally with the purpose of such, well , there was a really terrible macabre genocidal action to provoke the rise of anti-israeli sentiments in the middle east, we understand that there are states that trade: oil , which are transiters of very important projects, in particular, we are talking about an alternative to the chinese transit corridor, so they would like to stir up the middle east, for that, well, we understand, after that , completely different levels of relations begin in the same energy oil market and not only there.

i think that such a hypothesis has the right, it has the right to exist, there are several circumstances that support it, but it would also mean that hizballah should... be resolved immediately, and iran should be part of this project. israel showed patience, and now the picture looks like this: israel. as of today, he has some, as we say in hebrew, mirhavshneshima, i.e. like sekazaty, space for maneuver, for freedom of action, so he has like time, but not much, but yes, in order to deal with the problem in the south, iran, a question arises, this is to the hypothesis that you presented, it is quite logical, in my opinion, that iran now apparently supports hezbollah, because something went wrong, it did not go exactly as they expected, israel did not give in to

the provocation, to this bait, but is preparing such a full-scale destruction, such a thorough , slav-slav, what is called, step by step, the entire infrastructure there, further, the attempt to raise the arab peace against israel, it turned out to be unsuccessful in general, this is a meeting of arab leaders with mr. guterres, to whom we have separate questions , as you understand, yes, we also have ukraine, he also has a lot of questions, that's it, i don't think that i have to explain to ukrainians what i mean, that's how it happened, and there we heard accusations against israel, immediate demands to stop accusations of genocide there they didn't talk about genocide, they talked about collective punishment, that we need to distinguish those involved from those not involved, all that. they said under the table, don't dare to do what we advise, just don't dare, they

understand perfectly well, they must say what the interested people hear, their people, educated for generations in anti-zionism and anti-semitism, yes, well, they themselves perfectly understand that this is a war like theirs, the containment of israel and the filling of this soil, this area, by iran and its allies, china on the one hand with its interests, russia with the other side with its interests, and the countries of this very group and the movement of the countries of the iranian bloc from the yemeni houthis to the assad regime in syria and hezbollah in the north in lebanon and hamas on it plus plus iraq of all kinds about what is essentially a province of iran today day, that's it, that's all they understand more or less, they understand these arab leaders , yes.

that if damage is inflicted on israel, israel will retreat, then the days of their regimes, arab regimes, moderate pro-western ones, they are protected, iran, in turn, as long as it supports hezbollah, apparently realizing that the situation is not exactly as they planned, they support on a black day, a black day for them, this is a situation when israel finally agrees with the united states and receives a green light for the liquidation of iran's nuclear programs, the key is the same. about the united states and president joseph biden's readiness for specific tough military steps. we understand that the specificity of israel is that there is no so-called strategic depth of defense, israel is really a small state, the size is a little smaller than in the kyiv region, and we also understand that they would expect to intimidate the state, israel, to intimidate jerusalem with the same iranian ballistic program . to iran. it is extremely well developed and we understand that they would hint in such a way that they could

supply and so on to the militants, well , the scenario has already been played out, but the military response of the united states and the two aircraft carrier groups that smoothly moved to the coast in the mediterranean sea. biden, will he make an important decision if, for example, unconventional scenarios of various plans are used against israel? 100% yes, it's... a deterrent to iran and it's a deterrent to israel, by the way. this means that if you do not let us solve the problems ourselves, then stand next to us. all these previous years are the answer was evasive, and today the answer was, yes, of course, look, here are two anti -aircraft groups, here is our isminets shooting down missiles that the houthis fired on orders from iran in your direction, whether they were aimed at us military bases in iraq or in the south israel, like ours. they believe by and large, yes, but nevertheless, the destroyer of the american fleet shot

them down on the way during the approach, by the way, another one, a drone was shot down by the air force of saudi arabia, this is a question of, yes, in general, in this way, there is some factor, guys, here you solve your problems, we are with you, this is a local conflict for now, let's leave it as it is, it can develop into a regional one, but no more. we don't need this third world war in its full extent yet, because right here under this bench, as you understand, china will begin to realize its interests in southeast asia, chinese ships have already arrived in the krsit bay, again to about your hypothesis about oil, in general the united states believes that let's distribute the responsibilities for now, we will give you as many weapons as you need, first of all ammunition, do not worry about the ukrainians, they have their own quota, so to speak, it will not go anywhere, we now have a program of rearmament - the armies of the united states

will receive everything that our allies in eastern europe will now be armed with, so that you are engaged, so to speak, in the implementation of those tasks that are considered to be in our common interests, well, according to some rumors, according to rumors, okay , the vacations of the soldiers of the american army have been canceled, because it is possible that they will have to relocate to the middle east, one way or another, it is clear that the americans will not fight for israel, they have never fought for israel and we, on the territory of israel, do not need it, but this is quite solid support and demands that can be taken into account. yes, so to speak, this is completely within the framework of allied relations, yes, to correct your strategic vision, i think this is the maximum and the best thing that we all, all of us, yes, i mean you too, so to speak, could to get in this situation, a certain threat of a similar plan, it generates certain opportunities, i think you remember, there was such a ukrainian soviet socialist

magazine perets, so very often there, you know, the so-called jewish zionists were happily depicted together with bandera. that's what it's called under uncle sam's umbrella, well, that's the wrong soviet way of thinking, but we understand that it is necessary to use and carry out some element of synergy, and the united states did not for nothing try to connect the situation near israel and the russian-ukrainian war. with your permission, i will first refer to the first part, your remark, which is not a question of ascertaining a certain fact , the relationship between... say, their dynamics were determined by two factors, the first factor is that israel was aloof from the set of guarantees that ukraine received,

signed the budapest protocol, the guarantees that were taken on by the countries that acted at that moment as, let's say, entities that ensured the security of ukraine, russia was among them, this is understandable, but it was also a certain indicator that the countries of the west, and above all the united states and nato, they had to provide ukraine , in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons, to provide all the necessary materials in order to ensure its national security, and something in this sense was being done. initially, it was assumed that israel was not part of this picture, but israel proposed at the same time, israel had its own problems, to put it mildly , yes, including the appearance of russia as ours, as a border country, unlike iran, because the russian army is in syria, now there are fewer of them, but military space forces, special forces, etc., etc., etc., etc., the division of spheres of influence between iran, russia,

turkey, and the united states, there, did not leave much room for israel to maneuver, how to find an understanding with moscow that we are not going to overthrow the assad regime , nurse with themselves, if you are interested in bandits, then for god’s sake, but we are not ready to accept two things: the emergence of a new iranian front on the territory of syria against us, and the transformation of syria into a transport corridor for weapons that change the state of affairs on the battlefield, i.e. the same by hisbole and other iranian proxies, moscow at that moment on this ... such is some understanding, yes, this situation began to change even before the russian invasion, it appeared again in the phraseology of russian officials, in society, in some concrete actions, interpretations of actions, for example, when the syrian air defense forces shot down a russian plane, they suddenly accused israel of covering up with a russian plane, well, of course,

the f-16 covered up with this slow-moving aircraft, well, you know what we're talking about. where the logic of the test is not, let's say, a significant or desirable guest, but nevertheless , the situation that is happening in general today, it motivated or stimulated israel to adhere to the old understanding, as soon as ukrainians understand everything, i am sure too, they understand that the front is actually unfolding here against the same enemy, with whom ukraine is de facto fighting russia, and now, as we understand, also de facto iran, and israel is fighting iran and its proxy, which - in fact, today it supports russia, so it is clear who is on which side. the second thing is that this hybrid postmodernist military conflict that we have today does not necessarily involve direct clashes with your opponents, right? today no, but tomorrow, yes, i have fears that russia

would be interested in the maximum escalation, that's right, antina, but , you know, what we learned, living in the middle east, here we are again living, restoring our national hearth for the last 100 years, that 's what will happen tomorrow, we we will talk tomorrow, today we are talking about survival, however, this is also one of the problems why it was possible to allow the creation of this terrible terrorist viper in the gas sector, this is what we thought before the start of military operations, but what will happen tomorrow, we will capture them again, here we will destroy them again, mess, post-apocalypse, this russian word, which is mess, yes, which is used in hebrew, disorder, yes, and gangs, as you know, as in hollywood films, gangs of surviving bandits roam around the ruins there, it will it's not their problem, it's... it will be our problem, but now the situation has changed, we see that what will happen to the gas sector tomorrow, our european allies tell us, let's live until tomorrow, as long as we need to survive,

the bandits will be destroyed, and tomorrow we will figure it out , it would be good for you guys, krome useful councils, will still join the solution to the problem, the second point, which is connected with israeli-ukrainian relations , this is a factor, this is a real factor, and what will happen next day, in the previous years... at the time, ukraine was considering in kyiv the idea of ​​joining with israel in the same way that turkey once had in pre-erdogan times, today azerbaijan has, that is, israel, as a rule, rarely supplies ready-made weapons, we are a small country, we have a small industry, we have brains so to speak, so to speak, we export, yes, brain products, israeli technologies, let's say, famous ammunition. for the famous iron dome, they are very little produced in israel , they are produced in the usa, the magic wand is this whole multi-level air defense system that israel has, from the destruction

of intercontinental ballistic missiles to the windbreaker, which knocks down bullets and anti-tank shells, and is installed on tank, now there is also an iron beam, which is like an iron dome, only many times cheaper, one salvo of an iron dome - it's about 20 to 50,000 dollars, that's for... this laser system, which does the same thing, even more efficiently, it's about 80 cents, yes, that 's a completely different story, it's also mostly made in the usa, that is why the americans immediately say don't worry, we will supply the ammunition, yes, yes, these are our ammunition, our developed, they are simply produced in america, and the model of partnership with our allies, so to speak, and for this you need to be an ally of israel in the full sense words, to vote in oon as, well, let's say as we would like, yes? to understand us more, as well as to expect more understanding from us, right? to my great regret , mr. professor, i have to conclude our conversation , i want to remind our tv viewers that

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piontkovsky, a political scientist based in washington. glory to ukraine andriy andreyovych, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, have a good day. well, unfortunately, it did not happen as expected, yes, the congress of the united states, a strategic institution, got a speaker, a trumpist. what are the possible consequences, in particular for ukraine, and for the allocation of the necessary financial and other assistance. let's not exaggerate the role of the speaker, it is important in procedural matters and so on, but it can be delayed, but it will not change fundamental things, what about financial 3/4 of the members of the representative chamber, the entire composition , all 100% democrats, and approximately at least half, half of the republicans, come last for aid to ukraine, well, he has already formulated his conditions, he agrees to vote for aid to ukraine under two

conditions, if any. control for help, but this is already a song that has been sung by all the putin agents there for 2 years, control, control, so that they do not loot, but not the pentagon that is looted, let everything be controlled there, well, the truth is that a number of them are helping, popular ukrainian bloggers who develop that ukraine is generally the most corrupt country in the world and so on , the second word is that president biden must outline the clear goals of this assistance, well, i think that this will not be delayed by biden, especially since in his historical speech, he spoke about the fact that help is given to ukraine so that it was able to defeat the russian aggressors from the entire territory, so i think, yes, there will be some procedural difficulties, but the fundamental question is that 3/ supports 4 congresses, houses of representatives pomochen, he will not go anywhere, well, on the other hand, we are also adults, we understand that if trumpist jordan received the necessary number

of votes in the congress, accordingly, there may be additional troubles, in particular, when the question of revision and the amount of providing us with appropriate assistance will be related , we understand that the congress is an extremely important story, on the other hand, we are also aware that president biden linked the aid cases of ukraine, israel and taiwan, that is, a certain aid strategy is being built for those three states, not as if separated by certain, i don't know, seas, continents, but in fact it is about one containment of the so-called axis or pyramid of evil, and it is becoming even more obvious. that is the value of biden's public historical speech, he painted a picture of the world, today, that is a war, a war of the power of good against the power of absolute evil, against this evil, iran, er, russia.