khrystyna yatskiv, vitaliy portnikov, and igor eisenberg, professor of the university, we will be in touch now, congratulations mr. igor. greetings, friends, greetings to all viewers of espresso. well, let's start with a possible sino-american summit, the president of the united states, joseph biden, met with the minister of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china, wang ye, after which they said that the summit is absolutely real. e president of the united states and the president of the people's republic of china, and what can be expected from such a meeting, tell me, realistically, you know, i wouldn't expect anything like that, something out of the ordinary for the world, maybe some issues between the united states and the people's republic of china can be resolved, primarily economic issues, well, let's say, something

related to trade between countries, some practices that china uses, can joe biden agree that he did not use them, trade, i mean trade, can raise the question of china engaging in what is, well, industrial espionage is engaged in, that is, he steals american technology and so on, but i don't think there can be any agreements regarding the global world, i would, you know, compare it to the negotiations that the leaders of the united states had with the leaders of the soviet union, and eisenhower met with the khrushchevs , kennedy met with the khrushchevs, nixon with brezhnev several times, ford met with brezhnev, and these were mostly negotiated to avoid direct confrontation, but at the same time.

the party remained with its own all its own aspirations, and let's say nixon came to the soviet union in 72, 74, brezhnev to the united states in 73, and this did not prevent the soviet union from expanding, let's say, when portugal, there was a revolution in portugal and portugal provided independence for its african colonies, it didn't stop the soviet union from installing , in fact, communist regimes in angola, in mozambique, it didn't stop the soviet union in 75, inciting north vietnam to conquer south vietnam, and actually taking, taking in this participation, well, that's it this did not prevent the soviet union, by the way, from striving, when the revolution took place in portugal, to establish a communist government there, and so on, that is, i think that china will behave approximately as it behaved then.

union, but it is better to meet than not to meet, because it is better to talk than not to talk, at the same time , you have to remember that joe biden met with putin in june 2021, and that did not stop putin from doing what he is doing, that is, i would be very careful and i have some global optimism about this one the upcoming meeting, the bidenatins are not there, well, why am i asking, because now... in ukrainian society, there are huge expectations, that putin, biden will meet with sydzenpin, and they will both say that putin will stop the war, and he will immediately get scared there and stop, well , if swindenpin has already said, then that's it, i think he won't say first, you know , seidzempin can be hindered by war, at some point such a moment may come, if the western economy is weaker, much weaker than it is , because china,

unlike the soviet union, those... times, interested in the western economy, from different points of view, because the west as a whole is the largest market for china, ah, china is interested in western technologies, that is, it has an interest in the west economically , which the soviet union did not have at that time, but i do not think that china has reached such a point that now xizenping will say to biden that, well, yes, i will talk to putin about the fact that he stopped the war, what do i do this will definitely not happen now, ugh, there are a lot of us they said many times in this program, including that, in principle, the event led to a situation where the economy of china can afford such freedom of politics, of this country in the world, and it turns out that, based on your thesis, the goal this meeting will be socio-economic issues, the event will continue to strengthen china

economically, china is interested in this, right? well, actually, because the west imports a lot of things from china. but the event itself created such a situation, because it was a huge mistake of the event that followed after his death, he had to gradually step by step, especially when denzio ping took over the power in china and he actually allowed the market economy to develop in china, the west simply moved a lot of production to china, i think, even in your program, it is somewhat suggestive, this it is absolutely terrible that what is almost a third is the most important. a component that is used for the manufacture of various medicines all over the world, it is manufactured in china, well, look, this event itself created such a situation, and it will not be possible to get out of this situation in a year, in two,

it was created not a year, not two, it was created much, much, for a much longer time, and therefore the west is dependent on china , although china is also dependent on the western economy , but i do not expect any agreements of principle at the meeting between biden and zimpino, except for some agreements purely there will be no economic and political agreements, because they have completely opposite goals, the west is a democratic world, china is an autocratic world, and china wants, wants to be, at least not on the same level as the united states, wants to have its own spheres of influence in the world, so that the united states does not enter there in any way, and china wants to expand this sphere of influence. that is, just as the soviet union wanted it in the 70s, when brezhnev, for example, was negotiating with nixon and ford, that is, they will talk about something, they, but i think that there are no such political global agreements, for china to somehow

contribute to putin ending the war now, this will definitely not happen, because china is still interested in the west, at least, if not economically, then politically relaxed so he is interested in putin's success in ukraine. and tell me, in principle, if we talk about how the internal political situation in the united states itself will develop. so what do you think about, the very fact of electing mike johnson as speaker of the house of representatives, after this several-week marathon, when on the one hand they did not elect obvious desperate trumpists, on the other hand they did not elect moderate republicans, and then once they elected a person known for his pro-trump position. why is that so? did everything happen at all? i think that there's a lot of factors here, one of the factors is that those 20, 20 to 25 moderate republicans there could, most of them at least could be really scared because

there were threats against them, there were threats against women, a few of these congressmen, i even translated into russian. posted because it was on cnn, just this tape was on the air on cnn , just checkmate, checkmate, absolutely, absolutely horrible threats against the wife of one of these moderate republican congressmen who voted against jordan, that is, they could be counted on and they could ultimately decide that there was no point in resisting, and on the other hand, johnson, he was not such a famous politician, he was never a leader of the ... group of the republican faction in the house of representatives, that is, probably he, because of this, he was more able to accommodate these moderate republicans, because jordan was already too odious, although johnson is definitely a very right -wing, ultra-conservative politician, just look at

his views, at his statements, especially that during the period when he was not a member of congress , he even advocated the criminalization of same-sex relationships, the ban of same-sex marriage, the ban of abortion, and so on, for and against any restrictions on the sale of weapons, that is, he has such classic ultra-conservative views, i would compare them with reactionary ones, i only think , that the fact that he is now the speaker, what can happen, he can stay, of course, with his views, but if he wants to be the speaker, that is, if he wants to lead the house of representatives and lead the legislative process in the house of representatives, that is, if he wants to be a statesman, the speaker of the house of representatives is actually the third position in the hierarchy of power in the united states after the president and the vice president, he will then have to, he may not change his

views, but he will then have to negotiate with the democrats in the house of representatives, and with senate democratic leader schumer and with senate leader mykon with with the white house because that's the only opportunity to pass bills that can become laws, any bills, because if he's going to implement... far-right republican agenda, which is to pass bills that only republican majorities in the house will vote for, these bills will be stillborn, they will never become law because the senate will never even consider them, so johnson, if he wants to be speaker, namely, as the ideological leader of the republicans in the house of representatives, he will have to deal with what the speaker should be doing, that is , with what i just said, to negotiate, to agree, so as to accept

bipartisan bills, well, actually there is an opinion , if from the ukrainian point of view, the healthy wing of the republican party still voted in the majority for mr. johnson, then surely there is some, some kind of understanding regarding aid for ukraine. mr. johnson said that he has nothing against it in principle, but there are certain buts and besides , he believes. that it is still necessary to distinguish between the issue of aid to us and israel, for example. what is the current focus of the situation? what, what he proposes to distinguish aid to ukraine and israel, i i think that's bad, because it means that it's going to be all, all, you know, it's going to be a long time, it's going to be a long time, it's going to be considered separately, he, he 's going to say, let's look at the aid to israel first, because it's today , this is the hottest place, it is necessary immediately , now, and we will consider the aid to ukraine later, this is roughly what

he is probably trying to do, and it is bad, because simply decisions will be made later, and he will be pressured by everything one of his far-right colleagues, that he should not consider aid to ukraine at all, that's why that they are against aid to ukraine, that is, it complicates the situation, but at least the fact that after being elected speaker, he declared that it is impossible to let ... putin win, but there are all sorts of right-wing republicans, regarding corruption in ukraine and so on, well, these are such standard, standard things , i think the positive thing is that he at least said that putin cannot be given victory and we will not leave ukraine, but the fact that he wants to divide it, i think , that this is, on the one hand , his concession to the far-right republicans,

who are generally opposed to... aid to ukraine, on the other hand, is an attempt to please him, probably, to american jewish voters, although i think it's a futile attempt, american jews, 80% of them always vote democrat, absolutely regardless , what they're doing , let's say, the republican administration is doing, because american jews, they're such a more liberal-minded people, more, a lot more of them, and they're still going to vote for democracy. but the fact that he wants to share it makes things difficult because the white house a week ago last friday, when he sent this request to congress about aid to ukraine, israel, it wasn't called taiwan, but it's actually aid to taiwan, and it's an allocation of funds to strengthen the southern border of the united states, the white house insisted that it should be addressed in the package because these are urgent measures to ensure national security. states, you know, i still want to clarify, because

we very often talk about the fact that some actions of the republicans, regarding the need to divide package, the ukrainian-israeli package, are precisely aimed at winning the votes and support of the american jewish community, and for a long time, at least since trump became the president of the united states, it seems to me that the matter is not about the jews at all, the matter is about the gospel in millions voters, evangelicals, of whom there are far more in the united states than all the jews, of various political views, and these people are not at all liberal, but just very conservative, as far as i understand, mike johnson himself is an evangelical, and just all actions in favor israel, they support the authority of the evangelical communities, which is a nuclear republican electorate, not even a republican one, but a trumpist electorate, you don't... it's like, well, but this electorate will remain a republican

electorate, it's a really nuclear republican electorate in the last 30 years, absolutely, absolutely, that all evangelicals vote republican, especially in the southern southern states, that's absolutely true, i lived in the southern united states for many years, i just saw it, even before long before the emergence of trump in american politics, yes, this is the nuclear electorate of the republican party today, and yes , the evangelical church, it supports israel, but i still think that the evangelicals would vote for the republicans in any case, they will vote for republicans, again, absolutely regardless of what they do, you know, american politics has just become such that there are certain segments of the electorate who vote for the candidate of the respective party without even thinking at all what kind of candidate that is if i'm a republican, i'll vote for trump, because trump is a republican , so so-and-so is my choice,

just because he's a republican, and if i'm a democrat, then i'll vote for him or whatever - any other democratic candidate, there are many voters who are guided only by this, but you are absolutely right that the evangelical church that supports israel is a fact. and you are not afraid of the situation that is currently developing in american universities, which, according to certain signs, is beginning to resemble what happened in universities before wartime germany or before wartime poland. it worries me because i work in a university myself, although my university doesn't have anything like that...but it worries me because, you know, universities should, should teach students not only to become engineers or doctors or journalists or whatever who, and you should teach students to become modern people, and if a person cannot distinguish where there is absolute evil, and where there is, where there is good, then a person cannot simply

to be uneducated, unmodern, this person is simply, i don't know, she is not simply not able to find the right way in this world and what, let's say, in universities like harvard, like eupen in pennsylvania, very, very similar things happened mass anti-israeli demonstrations, of course, it confuses me, it confuses, by the way, many of my colleagues, in principle, many teachers in many american universities, because this shows that these, these students who took participation in these demonstrations, well, there is something wrong with them so with the support of the modern world in general. and the perception of what is good and what is evil, this is evidence of such a disease , i would say, and a disease, a social disease, and evidence of deficiencies in the education system, because if, if you know, in american, all universities,

a third of any curriculum, these are not courses in a specialty, it does not matter whether a student is, say, a medical university student, or an engineering student , 30% is various courses in sociology, with history, that is, it is what they say english liberal arts, that is, this humanitarian disciplines, and if, if they are taught in such a way that a student cannot understand where is good and where is evil, and many students cannot understand, then something is wrong with it, something, something is very poorly organized, and it must be reviewed , because otherwise, otherwise society will not have a future if it has people who cannot distinguish between good and evil, and finally, people cannot distinguish between good and evil, and those people who clearly articulate their support, and now palestine , yes, they articulate it in in the context of free palestine, or in the context of supporting the terrorist organization hamas, that is, how does it look, because to me

, things are a little different, don't you know, it really looks like a manifestation, in fact, it looks like a manifestation of anti-semitism, and all these anti congratulations case? because, well, simply because this is a way not to say that i am there , i hate jews, but i am not there, i hate israel, because i support hamas, because hamas, hamas does what is caused there by , that israel is bad, well, you know, this, this don't even call it a manifestation of political correctness, because it's just ... it's just such a bad, bad, bad game, trying to put on a pretty face with such a bad game, uh, but it turns out, i just think that in young people, in students, let's say harvard , this is a manifestation of the fact that they simply do not understand what is good and what is evil, and this is very

bad, because they, if they do not understand it in this case, they they... will not understand it in any case and such people, if, if these students are our future, then this future will be, i am very confused by such a future, it is necessary to immediately revise why students are taught in the first place when they are studying humanitarianism, humanitarian courses must be revised, because such students are not humanists, you can , you know, you can say 100 times, yes, i also feel sorry for the children when i saw children gassed among these eyes, they are there after the attack, so israel, some children there. with crying faces, i, i feel very sorry for them, but what their parents did, it was their parents' choice before

to the fact that what is being done to them now, and this must be understood, because this is the main thing, and let's say this, let's say harvard students demonstrating against israel, they don't understand this, and they don't want to understand, this this is very very bad. thank you, igor eisenberg, professor of new york university , we have bov on the line, now we will talk about all these international problems with orientalist mykhailo yakubovich, congratulations mr. mykhailo, i think we will see now, mr. mykhailo, i hope, oh, i congratulate you, mr. mykhailo, you are good evening, well, let's start with a big rally in istanbul, where president recep tayyip erdoğan came to the territory of the former airport named after mustafa kemal taturk and there he gave a huge speech at a huge rally and basically declared a holy war and said that he would attract israel as a war

criminal and did not condemn the terrorist organization hamas, with the leaders of which it should also be reminded , he met several times and never made any claims regarding their murderous statements and activities. and here's how this is what turkey's position looks like now. turkey is not new in this regard, we can still remember the breakthrough of the so-called blockade of gaza , the mavi marmara ship, when there were victims among the so-called turkish volunteers, when there were actually almost the breaking of diplomatic ties, this is an old topic in turkey, since erdogan adheres to the islamist line, and let's not forget that even erdogan's opponents will support palestine in the same way , that is, in this case, there is a pro-palestinian position, and for erdogan, who is holding local elections

in march 24th, it is important for him to seize the initiative here, because many rather radical turks ask, well, why is turkey silent, where are the troops of the former great caliphate, where the ottoman state, why doesn’t it save, let’s not forget that historically for a long time these territories were part of the ottoman empire, and then they were squeezed by the british, not, by the way, without the support of the arabs themselves, here, but in this case erdogan has a very good chance to become one himself as a leader, to show, as it were, to the whole world that he is from this side, and this should have been foreseen, it should have been foreseen , that is, it is not news to anyone, what erdogan began to say, although he again , i pay attention there on israel, on politics, there on zionism, or what is considered in the islamic world as zionism, because this term has long been used in some

completely wild, i would say strange meaning, but he does not directly name specific persons there, that is, as they say, does not close the door to the dialogue, and thus erdoğan well somewhere he keeps a window for himself, others some turkish parties express themselves much more radically, some less radically, but this is a very good chance for him to add a good rating to himself, or at least stay afloat and position himself as such a big, strong man, a leader who means cares about muslims all over the world, well, erdoğan's speech in this area looks very effective now , yes, but at the same time, the question arises, why did he take it, i will still allow myself to say, well, pause, it was a kind of preparation for this

a large-scale speech, before his own electorate, first of all, probably before the turkish people, or are there any other reasons, it seems to me that at the beginning, all these weeks from october 7, he was a little more balanced, well, he was balanced, because it was not clear , whether the war will last for a long time, or whether the conflict will end now, that is, this is another escalation , secondly, when... there was a fresh informational memory, specifically about the victims of the hamas attack, it would not be very convenient to speak about it. now we already see, the attention of the people, including and the western media, switched to civilian casualties in gas, and a rather strong information campaign is being conducted not without the participation of russia, iran, arab countries, and this time the opponents of israel under...' much better, i would even say, often better than israel itself in terms of information, and here already, well, a rather strong trend has started, it is worth even

looking at what is currently being done in the countries of the west, these events actually caught me in london, i had to go to a pro-palestinian rally twice, it already here's the second saturday in a row drawing more than 100,000 people, while last week the pro-israel rally gathered about 10,000 , and in fact the topic of palestine dominates the street, and of course the british one, for example from the german one, but this trend... has gone and well, there is just an influx, in this case informational, where different forces join in, and erdogan's voice for many in the west here will not be so controversial, saying that erdogan has joined hamas, no, erdogan is in favor of the killing of civilians in gaza, contradicting this killing, condemning it, if trying

to stop the war, and now this situation... it looks different, even if we look at the un resolution, more than 50 countries, so to speak , abstained, including ukraine, including great britain, some of them, the united states, voted specifically from pro-israeli positions , others, if in general, a pro-israeli position, but it is so restrained that in case of something , i will repeat these words once again to close the door to dialogue, that is why the situation in terms of information is developing, i... said in favor of the opponents of israel and here, well erdogan's voice can be very loud, to put it simply, and what will it do for him, absolutely nothing, or maybe he just wants to have a loud voice so that he can compete for the place of the leader of the muslim world, say with ayutalla khamenei or with the prince, of saudi arabia, muhammad, well, the fact is that

his position contrasts precisely here. the saudis took it a bit more discreetly, the united arab emirates, which especially command excellent relations with israel in general somehow, at first tried to be in the middle, but now it is clear, they began to conditionally float in the palestinian side, ayatollah khamenei, he would hardly be a leader except for the shiites, there in lebanon and some such conservatives because of the pro-shia position, but erdogan, as such islam in flight... and what is the peculiarity of erdogan, this is the model of erdogan, such social islamic activism or political, it can be taken far beyond the borders of turkey, that is, such projects of modern islamist parties that recognize certain democratic principles, they are possible not only in turkey, the iranian case, this the iranian case, to export this islamic revolution somewhere in azerbaijan, or

even the same turkey or saudi. well, it already looks funny because it is tied to this shiite theology, but this is, i would say, islamism with a human face, which is always promoted by erdogan, it is much more attractive to many in the islamic world, and here again, well , you can play on panosmanism, play on panyurkism, although in turkey they really like such noisy politics, everything there is so extremely emotional and i would in principle, i would not dramatize this so much that here erdogan announced right there, jigad there and so on, because real actions, of course, will not follow, but again this shows a certain weakness of the global event, the weakness of the nato bloc, the weakness the same allies of israel, shows the ambiguity and that within the western world itself, such unconditional

support for israel, or only... because it is israel, that the jewish people have the right to their own state, that the jewish people have created a showcase for democracy, that there is a great deal of western wine societies in front of israel, this will not be so simple, here even our own citizens will have to explain, and why, and even more so, let's take the global south, which is completely devoid of these, there recently, the previous speaker spoke about even conservative protestants who always support and israel, purely for such religious reasons, and what is israel, for example, for india, for china, for others , how to explain to the local, well, that is, there, the local elite that is rising, it will have other views, understood, it looks where where is america, where is russia, where are the other players, but even the situation in western universities and in western societies is that at home.