[000:00:00;00] and such misfortune did not happen there, well, not everyone can be expelled, even if you are an ottoman politician, well, yes, sometimes someone remains, it is unpleasant to talk about it, so joking joking means what are the possibilities for the creation of a palestinian state, i honestly believe that every year is not a solution to this problem, he chooses from...' such opportunities that are a solution to this problem? i think that after the oslo agreements, if the palestinian national administration would follow the path of creating a national state , rather than fighting israel and not putting forward additional conditions and not trying to turn the conversation into the reality of the need to return refugees who are in

palestinian territories... in the arab states of the year 48 on the territory of israel itself, if after all the idea was to create one's own state, and not to destroy another, then the state would have been created a long time ago, because then there were all the favorable conditions for its creation, this is one moment, another moment, it is that, by and large , this state then had much better logistical conditions for existence than now. . because hey, israel, it's not me, i'm not going to say that it's good, but israel all these years has been following the path of the policy of absolute facts, because the borders are not defined, now we 're talking about the year 67, and then some year will appear, and in the end the question will arise as to how viable this state is at all, which at the time when the agreements were signed , it was viable, everyone said, but how is it divided between the west bank

of the jordan river and gaza, and between it is israel, and we say that azerbaijan is not viable, between armenians are located there, azerbaijan says, we need a corridor, well, since there are difficult relations with armenia , it is not easy to build this corridor there, well, there they say now, through iran, but no one believes that a part of azerbaijan is located there , and the other one is here, then this does not indicate the unviability of the state, the unviability of the state is not when its two parts are not connected to each other, this sometimes happens in international law, these are also consequences. empire, because as it happened and with azerbaijan and with a possible palestinian state, these are all the consequences of the empire, but it can exist if there is a desire for it to exist, if we still set before ourselves the task of eliminating this state that

exists, that already exists, that has some opportunities and strength to defend themselves, this is a huge problem, of course, there are no uh, even uh, sketches of how it will all develop, because i, too, i still think that it is not about hamas, it is about in the palestinian street, in this idea that sooner or later israel will disappear somewhere by itself, and there is misunderstanding, again, the mood in the united states, this is what we talked about with... igor eisenberg, that the arab world believes that the whole problem is in the jewish organizations in the united states of america, the states of america, the jewish organizations of the united states of america, of course, have great authority in american society, and they are 6 million fewer voters, but these are 6 million people who live in the united states, this is a large

number, but it is absolutely certain that these are primarily liberal people with liberal views, people who even in religious , sensi don't adhere to orthodox judaism, which is essentially part of the state of, and these are people who are associated with reform judaism, in israel, if you marry in a reform arabina, it will not be valid, yes, well, it's just , so, by and large, the jewish organizations of the united states would have long been ready for much more serious concessions to the palestinian arabs than the israelis themselves, they are not lobbying for some hard israeli policy, they are lobbying for the preservation of the state of israel, but there is another part of voters who outnumber american jews, who number in the tens of millions, and who are the guarantor of the political authority of the republican party of the united states, are

evangelicals. who consider the issue of preserving the state of israel to be a matter of preserving their faith, because the messiah is coming, he must come to the jewish state, and one must understand that for the republicans, to refuse to support these people, suicide, suicide, as for democracy to refuse to support the jewish communities? this is such a part politically, and these people, these evangelists, they are not jews, they are decent christians, not of jewish origin, but they will always vote for those who will provide all the support of the state of israel, they think that they pay taxes for this because they want to save themselves, you see, it's the same thing the same the ideology that the radical muslims have is that they want to be saved, to get into the area with the hurrians, and the evangelical christians want to be saved, they know that if israel is destroyed, they will not be saved there after death, in fact the palestinian arabs want to deprive them of their

children, their grandchildren, all the possibilities of salvation, this will never happen in their lives, they will not miss their chances, and these are people of whom there are tens of millions, those with millions of fortunes, many. you see what started with american universities, they can completely calmly change even the very nature of education in the united states, just don't give money, and that's it, so this is a serious problem, very serious, and the arab world does not see this problem, the arab world usually fights with the jews, but now it is the non-jews who oppose it, that's why what i want to explain to you is that the main opponent of the arab world is not the jews. we can step back and see how they're going to solve their problems with the evangelical christians, uh, the united states and the whole world , with pleasure, it's just amazing, by the way, that in these decades, he said,

such a force has been formed in protestantism, if if it was 200 years ago, then there was already a jewish state inhabited by evangelical christians, a phenomenon that few people think about, well, you yourself see it on the streets of ukraine, just these people they come, they are missionaries, they distribute some pieces of paper there, there are jews for jesus, they i once attended a charity concert in kyiv, which was organized by representatives of these evangelical churches, which are ukrainians, and people came up to me to touch me and they said we can touch you, we see that you are a jew. and i was naturally in such a state of shock, well, if people have such faith, how can it be broken, this is such a special story, and this is also such a moment, and so it means that

these people still need to think about that it is necessary to create a palestinian state in the neighborhood of israel, and not instead, but so far there is no such sentiment on the palestinian street, and those palestinian politicians who would like it, they were marginalized, so yasat signed the agreements in oslo, despite all the antipathy , which i have for this man, who broke every promise he made a million times, i think that yarafat basically wanted to create a palestinian state, but he was a man, you know, he was such a political creature, he became the head of the palestinian autonomy, he came there to ramallah, and he suddenly saw that no one supports this idea, that he risks being isolated from his own people. to the undisputed leader he was, and that other leaders appear, such as sheikh ahmed yassin, who say, so what, what can a palestinian state be without all the territory, and he went to

the cause of the palestinian street, that is, he made the mistake that the founder of israel, david bengorion, did not make, because it was exactly the same story when, in the late 1930s, the first plan for partition by the leadership of the zionist organizations of israel discussed it, goldemey shouted, no why it is not necessary over this, for nothing, no, only in the entire territory of biblical palestine, only, or no state, we do not need a state that will not be in this territory, but david bengulion said, golde, you can calm down, girls, we will create a state and deal with everything, and only thanks to the fact that ben gurion left, against the jewish street, the state of israel appeared, and goldemer and other politicians more, as always happens with politicians, they wanted to go down the street, and when we have a person walking down the street, as we have already noticed from the ukrainian political

experience of recent years, he inevitably meets with a disaster, you cannot follow the wishes of the street, the street does not exist to make strategic political decisions, people act emotionally , they do not understand the consequences of their actions. a politician exists in order to understand the risks, well, to understand the strategy, if there is to be disliked for this, to be disliked if sir arafat created a state. he would be the most respected now, well he remains respected, but he would enter into history as a real person who gave the opportunity to the palestinian arabs to create their own, their own real national refuge , but nothing happened, you know, i thought about it, i remember that when there was the eviction of the albanians from kosovo, milošević, ugh,

the president of this self-proclaimed kosovo, dr. ibrahim he went to belgrade, i was just stunned by what he did, he went to belgrade to talk to slobodan milosevic, how can you go to belgrade like that, and then i realized that he considered it his duty keep milosevic from evicting his own compatriots, he believed that this was more important than his reputation. at least he tried, and the west saw it, that the leader of the kosovar albanians, who always called for non-violent resistance, went to belgrade, did not fear for his safety, for his life, tried to explain something to milosevic, to agree on something with him, but milosevic did not. agreed, and then the special operation too began. prygovo has already returned to pristina, freed from the serbs, from the serbian troops, as the president, who is already de facto real.

of the existing state, i.e. a person, if he thinks about the future of his people, he commits unpopularity, actions, if he thinks only about how to please the people who can vote for him or just be him, this street, then he is usually wrong, well, according to your logic, society as a whole , well, almost always, leans towards exclusively such populist opinions, of course, well, the french called for the rule of charles de gaulle, we always forget about this, trying to do everything possible so that charles de gaulle preserves algeria, because algeria is france, the whole idea of ​​returning general dogol to power in france, when he was elected head of the french government, first, then president of ukraine, that he will definitely be able to save algeria, and president degol. began negotiations with the leadership of the national liberation front

of algeria and agreed on the independence of algeria. it was exactly the opposite of what i expected from him. by and large, sir, congratulations, i apologize, maybe something is wrong, i am doing it now, but to me everything you say translates to our ukrainian experience, a little, well, you and i, we always translate our experience, but there are no direct parallels in politics. what, what, what do you want to translate to the ukrainian experience, ah, is it possible, is it possible for our political leadership to agree with the russian occupation of some of our territories, in order to preserve the ukrainian state in the concept, for yours, this is a good question , provocative, they don't ask it to colleagues, they ask it to politicians, but i will answer you, in order for there to be an opportunity to discuss such a thing, we need the russian political

the leadership itself wanted to retain control over the occupied territories only, and this was the hope of the west, as you remember, the west kept saying: "we are giving you weapons and offensive capabilities so that you liberate as much of your territory as possible, and in in this situation, you could negotiate with the russian federation from a strong position, but..." who did not say how many territories to liberate, in what time, the formula is this, you liberate some territories, the russians understand that they cannot go anywhere further, they talk to you about peace the moment has come when the russians want to talk about something in general, i don’t see this moment , i see the battles near avdiivka, i see the russians’ idea of ​​a long-term war, so i think that we should not think about whether ukraine is ready... the leadership on any negotiations under the condition or

is it even possible? and if the question is different, and russia is generally ready to agree with the existence of the ukrainian state, well, when it is ready to agree, we will be able to talk about it, in general, in war, let's agree with another, there are three ways out of war, three n, victory, armistice, defeat, victory, this is when military operations... end on the terms of the winner, the way the first and second world wars ended, where representatives of the german leadership were invited to some. wagons or to some houses there twice and told them to sign here, please, here, you don't even have to read, just sign here, but at that moment germany was practically paralyzed as a state, twice, once it was

clear that the allied troops they can reach anywhere in the capital, another time they were in the capital of germany if ukrainian troops are in moscow, then we can talk about such a victory, if we consider the liberation of our territory as a victory without the fact that any changes will take place in russia itself, that we are not fighting on the territory of russia itself, then we still have to move from the formula of victory to the formula of a truce, because this is a truce, we liberated our territory. even all of it, and we agree with the aggressor state that the aggressor state does not conduct military operations on this territory, but that our voivodeships on its territory we don't even talk about the territory, it won't be discussed, because it doesn't exist, and we can't hit there with our weapons and the weapons of our allies, and our leadership clearly says that there will be no military actions on the territory of the russian

federation, and there is a military doctrine of the russian federation, that the use of nuclear weapons, there are many things, although i don't really understand how free is different. crimea from hostilities in the bryansk region, but less so, and why? because from the point of view of the constitution of russia, both this and that are russia. i do not understand why for the constitution of russia, what today in zaporizhzhia, no, it’s happening in the kherson region, that’s right, that’s why i think that it’s schizophrenia to a certain extent, well, from the point of view of the russians, not from our point of view, from the point of view of the russians, but we live in a state of this schizophrenia , are forced to grope for this red line, actually on purpose, on purpose, but this ... we move on to the question that it is actually us agreeing on a cease-fire, and further, after this cease-fire begins, or our path to nato and the european union, or on the way to a new war that will take place after russia is believe that she has enough resources to win back these territories that are in her constitution

and more, and i don't think that's a negative scenario, because the negative scenario is defeat, uh, it's when it's peaceful... the deal is on terms of the russian federation, the conditions that we all know well, in the territorial realities, to officially recognize where militarization, de-nazification, neutral status, all this bullshit, and that's all, in fact, what we were in february, march of last year, i.e. now we have to ask ourselves what the armed forces actually provided. of ukraine for these 20 months, they ensured that the option of defeat does not exist in our political vocabulary, that we have an actual choice between victory and a truce, and again from the point of view of real political real political terms, we call

victory a truce. me, because we simply look at things more optimistically, and the russians call their victory, our defeat. for the russians, victory is not an armistice, but the defeat of ukraine, its disappearance, but for us, victory is that the russians do not come to us, that is different vision of victory, and that is why we are reaching what we are, now the most important question is whether the ukrainian leadership can recognize the fact that our territories are under the control of russia. from the point of view of international law, i assure you, this will never happen, simply never, and therefore we will never have any good relations with the russian federation either, simply

never, this must also be understood, but the question of where the actual border will be of ukraine, will depend on the military results at the time when they mature. conditions for peace negotiations, this must also be told to people, because this is a reality, if we liberate everything, uh, then on the territory, then on the state border of ukraine there will be a line of contact and a cease-fire line, if we liberate not everything, then there, where the line of contact will pass at this moment, when the conditions are ripe for the cessation of hostilities on both sides, when it will happen next year on the 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th or 31st, he does not know today no one, but in principle i believe that in any case

next year the conditions will be ripe for for the war to go to the level of low-intensity war, when the front freezes on both sides, if not next year until the 25th, and then it will be time for a low-intensity war, and the troops, a low-intensity war, certainly at some point will end in peace talks on that line , on which the troops will stand, it cannot recover with a new explosion, a low-intensity war, it can recover with a new explosion, but for this the parties will need a sufficient number of weapons, accumulate, accumulate, and a low-intensity war non-entity is usually characterized by the fact that the parties do not so much accumulate weapons as spend them, but if there is peace and there are no security guarantees, if peace is concluded, and ukraine does not receive security guarantees, then of course, in three, four, five years it will be... .don't even hesitate, why not? russian leaders, they may not, if there is such a russia as it is

, nothing will change in the heads of the russians, but you know that, that’s all, no, not a political forecast anymore, but futurology, a lot can change in russia, a lot can what will change in the world, can ukraine join nato, or become some kind of partner of the united states, such as qatar or israel, when the russians will... understand that they will have a direct conflict with the west, many new formulas may be found , especially since you do not forget that all this time there will be new major military conflicts, this is also a completely normal situation, the next decades, because this is a real civilizational struggle, it will not end just like that, and ukraine, you know, is still lucky, that she became the first scene for such and struggle, when there are still enough resources in the world, when there are enough resources, when there is no such situation, i would say a tough situation, because

ukraine is, by and large, like czechoslovakia during the second world war, we don't even have poland yet, and then there will be this one in terms of escalation, rigidity, readiness to fight, clashes of civilizations, use of modern arsenals, it will all be... very dramatic, and ukraine in this situation can already recede into the third plane and be exactly what i would call a smoldering conflict that will not even ourselves very interesting, because we will look in horror at some world cataclysms and think whether they will not affect us , it may be so, this is also futurology, but it may be so and so you this is more objective and the development of events than that everything will be concentrated here, it won't be here, just here it was you know how the starting gun went off and everyone ran and now the question is who is not what who will make it to the finish line but who will make it to the finish line alive yes

sir vitaly, there is very little time left, we are talking about real facts in this program, and the real fact is the fact of the appearance of very contradictory and essentially unsubstantiated information that putin may be dead, just now, i knew, i knew that you would react like that. i am not asking you about the essence of this information, i am not asking, i am asking for whom this information is intended, and for what? come on, i still want to resort to classic political formulas again. thank you. the president in any country, and even more so in an authoritarian country, is the arbiter of interests, political forces and clans that he finds. around it, it is such a column in the center where he is, he is a balancer, if a person is not able to be a balancer, he dies, i am politically, how viktor fedorovych,

yanukovych died, we saw it, how it looked, when there were rumors that putin has 145 doppelgangers, and these rumors were even confirmed by various intelligence sources, i could take it ironically, because i generally believe that it does not matter who cuts the ribbon, it matters who makes the decision, even if the person is lying there. under the drip, but makes decisions and is for all her allies, warring allies, and this is the center of stability, then she can send poodles instead of her to the opening of some power plant, but certainly, by the way, not to a meeting with the head of the people's republic of china, no head of the people's republic of china will meet with a warlord, believe me, it just won't happen, i'll just say here, you know, send a patrushova better than that... shame on me, but now the x time has come, when these people who

developed this strange operation with putin's doubles, with unclear goals , maybe it's just a game of propaganda, maybe it's a game of finances, i don't know, i, it's hard for me to say, i've known valery solovy since the end of the 80s, the beginning, the beginning of the 90s, he is in my memory several times yati changed roles, became the antithesis of what he was before that, and i don't know what role he plays now, for me it 's just all the nightingales i know, they're different people from the point of view, i've seen , who was an expert on far-right movements and a liberal professor, solovya, who was a leader of far-right movements and a conservative professor, saw solovya, who supported aggressive actions of the russian federation, i see the force that challenged the aggressive actions of the russian federation, that this is a person in fact , i said so, i think that we will never know, well, at least until the archives, archives, archives of certain services are opened, but for one thing is clear to me, that it was they who officially announced putin's death, and

that his body is lying in a refrigerator, on valdai, in a refrigerator for, as they say, where putin used to store vegetables, because it turns out that there are none on valdai other refrigerators, except refrigerators for vegetables and fruit, well, putin lived on the big foot, but, sorry, there is not even a morgue in the residence of the president of russia, well, there is none, why does he have a plague, he needs the wine to be cold, from the point of view of political theory, practice, double everything one cannot rule the country. so there is, or this double will disappear in a few weeks, or at most in a few months, and then the death of vladimir vladimirovich putin, the president of the russian federation, will be officially announced, and everyone , to the extent of their intellectual depravity, will decide who died in fact, putin or a double, and who are they hiding putin from the refrigerator, navaldai, or

after all the double that will replace putin in the grave, if nothing happens, putin will travel as usual, around the world, and they will say that this everything is a double, controlled by the political leadership, so it will be a different story, a story that should convince , so to speak, the consumers of these information products that the real power and financial flows are not in the hands of putin, but rather in those who organize all this the story of, say, mykola platonovich patrushev, whose ear sticks out very much. behind all this, it is explained there, it is patrushev, it is patrushev who organizes everything, he conducts negotiations, he creates a coalition, maybe this is just a story to convince others that all money should be carried in envelopes, or to the office of patrushev the elder, or if you can't get there , then to the office of the poor junior minister of agricultural policy of the russian federation, that's basically it, it's a simple formula, now

that they've already said it, putin has disappeared, died, very fast now. the meaning of this whole amazing special operation will be clear, because if these people are convinced that putin's double can rule for 10 years, and then he died of a stroke and they made a new double, and the double rules until 2045, isn't it you, maybe the russians will finally suspect something , not sure, you know, there was a king of bhutan, whose death was hidden from his subjects for 54 years, which no one suspects, what's the difference, my lord, i'm begging you, it's simple. putin and putin, as in the last series by isaac asimov foundation, there is generally a cloned dynasty of emperors, 500 years, one emperor, everyone is satisfied, well, who is not satisfied, so, so, that's all, i'm sorry that i touched this topic, well, well, but this, well this, well, i'm not, i'm ready to comment on moron's cartoons, but unfortunately, we don't have time, so i'll thank khrystyna yatskiva for these pleasant

last few minutes, thank you, i really liked the previous ones too. we thank vitaly portnikov for this saturday political club. all the best, see you soon good luck why am i here, i have sensitive teeth, i eat ice cream, pain, cold air, pain, sweets, pain, the dentist recommended lakalot sensitive, which effectively reduces the sensitivity of teeth, if i had known about lakalot sensitive earlier, i would not have had to come here at all, lacalot sensitive - reliable protection against pain can become