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greetings, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week. our guests today are professor zf from jerusalem and political scientist andriy pyonkovskyi from washington. now a professor of political sciences will be working on the air of the tv channel bar ilan university zf hanin. glory to ukraine, dear professor, welcome to the espresso studio. glory to the heroes, mamisel hai. we stand on the threshold of the third world war. this is not a joke, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is not a warming up of a relevant topic, we understand that additional people may join the huge bloody crisis in the middle east. players

, in particular, it is about the possible aggressive entry of the state of iran, which is trying to somewhat puppeteer such structures as hezbollah and hamas, well, maybe not somewhat puppeteer, direct control, and we understand that the united states has openly entered the game, so we understand that a ground operation may begin soon, this is a very interesting and difficult question, but perhaps we can find an answer, if you please, i will continue. russian, we see that the two hot spots that attract special attention today are ukraine's war with russia , eh, the demand will reflect russian aggression, with god's help, yes, well, it is clear that the lord himself does not intervene personally, he so to speak, depends from the extent to which people are able to hear these messages, yes justice, one way or another, and now there is a new hot spot, it is not new , it has been going on for 100 years, but now it has acquired... we have reached the finish

line, we will say, or they, this is the war of israel with iranian proxies, and here you are you are absolutely right in saying that the most pressing question today is whether iran will personally intervene in this conflict. until today, in tehran they preferred not to declare their own participation, primarily because they are interested, well, relatively relative freedom of action in order to obtain nuclear weapons, just a few weeks, a few months before the beginning of this conflict that we are experiencing now, information has arrived that iran is actually taking weeks away from obtaining a sufficient number of weapons-grade plutonium, that is, after in fact, they will equip several nuclear bombs, and nuclear ones, in addition to their missile program, which they are developing outside the 5.1 agreement with tehran, that is, then here is the plan: actions to prevent the receipt

iran's nuclear weapons, so to speak, today, which today look extremely extremely naive, but what about the so-called nuclear agreement, which at one time: barack obama pushed through with all the corresponding consequences, how his crimean initiative ended, we also remember very well , and we also remember well his reboot, reset with arab-muslim countries, and pressure on israel, which owed its large-scale concessions on the palestinian arab track, to the will to satisfy some arab regimes and iran, in order to prevent chaos in the middle east, today this is all... it will be funny and sad, but actually then it was possible to more or less imagine what was happening, freaks appear from time to time, in israel there was one such party figure in his vremya, who would rather be silent, but he spoke out about the russian-ukrainian conflict in

2014-15, do you want me to tell you that he offered two states for two peoples, that is, it sounds funny, that is. ..' a state for ukrainian russians and a state for ukrainians ukrainians, this is roughly what he said, that the solution to the palestinian problem, two states for two peoples , well, that's one thing they got in the gas sector, and that it became middle eastern switzerland, it became middle eastern singapore, there were all the possibilities for this, and enterprises that were left by jews, and greenhouses that half fed half of europe with ecologically clean vegetables, and the best beaches on the coast, well populated by hard-working people. dear professor, would like to return to the iranian nuclear program and to the possibility of engaging in certain forms of nuclear terrorism against the state of israel, we understand that this is a question of existential

confrontation, it is not just that, you know, two sides have claims against each other, no, this is an existential confrontation, and we understand that there will be forces in the arab world who will be ready to run on fear. unconventional actions, that's right, that's how it all is, we've been trying to tell everyone who is ready to listen for many years that the arab-israeli and palestinian-israeli conflict, and the conflict between israel and iran, is not a conflict territory, this is not a territorial conflict, this is an existential conflict, the question of who will survive, who will remain alive, questions of the series, especially when subjects who are motivated by an absolutely radical and messianic ideology are connected in response to the question: be rational, this will affect and you, a nuclear war will also mean your end, but you will die, actually speaking, and everything , yes, leaves quite a bit of room for compromise, agree, one way or another, iran

does not intervene in the conflict yet, openly, he traditionally, all these years, he preferred to act through his proxies, through satellites, this is primarily the strongest, south lebanese hezbollah, and it is not necessary to perceive it as just another terrorist movement, it is really the party that governs lebanon, lebanon is a country that is being held hostage by hezbollah, and the situation in which the president, who is not there, yes, the prime minister , who is, the figures who are there in beirut, they are shouting and saying, save us from them, you should not interfere, because that this will be the end of lebanon, and this will be the end of lebanon. yes, in the old days, israel was forced, the second lebanese, the first lebanese, was forced to fight only with the military wing of the radical movement, it was believed that lebanon somehow does not control the situation, we are not at war with lebanon, but today we will have to fight with lebanon, it is unpleasant for me it says, eh, but

if they interfere, eh, then such a country as lebanon will be of interest exclusively to archaeologists, they understand this, what is the matter, because it will be a question for survival countries, i understand, as you understand, the same situation today with hezbollah, but with hamas in the south, but they have already finished, they, apparently, they have taken a serious suicidal step, and although they managed to surprise the israelis, and although the losses were catastrophic, it was not for nothing that it reminded the israelis of the days of the holocaust, but it is clear that israel is ten times stronger than hamas and the end of this organization is in the near future. in these battles

a ground operation will begin very soon, and there will be catacombs, mines, multi-level defense, high losses, and every life is priceless for israelis, conversations will begin about what needs to be done with this matter, let's have a contract in our hands, the idea of ​​peaceful coexistence, management the crisis, what is called the red lynx, but she did not justify herself, that is, all these peace-loving requests and proposals, so enter the living, you must understand, this is not this kind of people, they are under the oppression of the occupation, why not explain the occupation to me? we left there until the last centim 18 years ago, we deliver products, water, everything else, and electricity, we accept people for treatment, er, we give them jobs, well one way or another, that's it - today this paradigm has changed completely and less than there is no question of the liquidation of this fundamentalist radical islamist regime

, so hizbullah is holding back a little for the time being, the war is going on in the north, yes, but it is not a full-scale war, it must be said that our prime minister supports the minister of defense not to the reactive ones, that is, they will destroy the firing points and infiltrators of terrorists from there, but to move to the proactive phase, that is, to strike at the main concentration of the combat wing of hamas and hezbollah, excuse me, and at the centers of training and launch of missiles, and they have tens of times more of them, than hamas, look, mr. professor, and if we are talking about a much wider, i don't know, geopolitical landscape of this current situation, there may even be a feeling that hamas was used as a certain bait or as a certain trigger, so they... provoked the situation, they killed

a great many innocent, civilian israelis and not only israelis, knowing that there would be a very clear specific reaction, and then perhaps the overall purpose of such a truly horrific, macabre, genocidal act was to provoke an uprising anti -israeli sentiments in the middle east, we understand that there are countries that trade in oil, that are transitors of very important projects, in particular , we are talking about an alternative to the chinese transit corridor, so they would like to stir up the middle east, for that, well, we understand, so after that completely different levels of relations begin on the same energy oil market and not only there, i think that such a hypothesis has the right to exist, there are several circumstances that support it, but it would also mean that hizballah would have to intervene immediately, and iran would have to become a part of this project. israel. showed patience - and now the picture looks

like this: israel, according to its current state, has someone like us you are speaking in mirkhavshim, i.e. as sekazaty, space for maneuver, for freedom of action, so it has time, but not very much, but it does, in order to deal with the problem in the south, iran, a question arises, this is to that hypothesis , which... was presented, quite logically, in my opinion, iran, now, apparently supports hezbollah, because something went wrong, it did not go exactly as they expected, israel did not give in to the provocation, to this bait, but he is preparing such a full-scale, extermination, such a thorough, slav-slav, that, that it is called, step by step, the entire infrastructure there, further, the demand to raise the arab peace against it turned out to be unsuccessful in general, this is the meeting of arab leaders with

mr. guterres, to whom we have separate questions, as you understand, yes, we also have in ukraine to he also has a lot of questions, but i don't think i have to explain to the ukrainians what i mean, so that's how it happened, and there we heard accusations against israel, an immediate demand to end accusations of genocide, they didn't talk about genocide there. there they spoke collectively punishment, that we need to distinguish between those involved and those not involved, all that, and under the table they said, don't dare to do what we advise, just don't dare, they understand perfectly well, they should say what the interested people hear their people, raised by generations in anti-zionism in anti-semitism, yes, well, they themselves understand very well that this is such a war as they are the containment of israel, the filling of this soil, this area... by iran and its allies, china on the one hand with its interests, russia on the other parties with its interests, and countries

of this same group and movement, the countries of the iranian bloc from the yemeni houthis to the assad regime in syria and hizballah in the north in lebanon and hamas in the south, plus, plus iraq, of all kinds, which is essentially a province of iran today, and that's all - they - understand more or less these arab leaders understand that if damage is inflicted on israel, israel will retreat, then the days of their regimes, arab regimes, moderate pro-western ones, are over. iran, in its turn, while supporting hizballah, apparently understands that the situation is not exactly as they planned, they keep it for a black day, a black day for them, this is the situation when israel will finally come to an agreement with the united states and receive the green light for the liquidation of the iranian nuclear

program. oh, a key story about the united states and president joseph biden's readiness for specifics. tough military steps, we understand that this is the specificity of israel, that there is no so-called strategic depth of defense, israel is really a small state, the size is a little smaller than the kyiv region, and we understand that they would planned to intimidate the state of israel, to intimidate jerusalem with the same iranian ballistic program, in iran it is extremely well developed, and we understand that they would hint in this way that they could , and so on, to the militants, well, the scenario has already been played out, but the military the response of the united states and two aircraft carrier groups, which in the mediterranean sea smoothly moved to the coast. biden, will he make an important decision if, for example, unconventional scenarios of various plans are used against israel? 100% yes, this is the fact of iran's containment

and this is a deterrent factor for israel, by the way. this means that if you do not give us. problems yourself, then stand next to us, all these previous years the answer was evasive, but today the answer was, yes, of course , look, here are two anti-aircraft groups, here is our ismenets shooting down missiles that the houthis fired in your direction on orders from iran, were they sent to the us military bases in iraq or to the south of israel, as we believe by and large, yes, but nevertheless, the destroyer of the american fleet shot them down in paths on approach, by the way, another one, a drone shot down the ovo of saudi arabia, this is a question of oo, yes, in general, in this way , there is some factor, guys, here you are solving your problems, we are with you, this is still local local conflict, let's leave it as it is for now, it can grow into

a regional one, but no more, we don't need this third world war in its full extent, because right here... under this bench, as you understand, china will begin to realize its interests in the southeast asia, chinese ships have already arrived in cressitsky bay, again to the question of your hypothesis about oil, in general , the united states believes that let us distribute the responsibilities for now, we will supply you with as many weapons as you need, primarily ammunition, no worry about the ukrainians, so to speak, they have their own quota, it will not go anywhere, we now have a program of rearmament of the united states army. everything that our allies in eastern europe will receive in service now, so be engaged, so to speak, in implementing those tasks that are recognized in our common interests, well, according to some rumors, according to rumors, okay, the soldiers of the american army have been canceled because it is possible that they will have to relocate to the middle east, one way or another, it is clear that they will fight for

israel, the americans will not be there, they never fought for us for israel , we do not need it on the territory either, well, this is quite solid support and demands that can be taken into account, so to speak, this is completely within the framework of allied relations, yes correct your strategic vision, i think that this is the maximum and the best that we all, all of us, yes, i mean you too, so to speak, could get in this situation, a certain threat of a similar plan, it creates certain opportunities, i i think you remember, there was such a ukrainian soviet socialism... the perets magazine , so very often there, you know, the so-called jewish zionists were depicted together with the people of bandera, so under the auspices of uncle sam, so-called, well, that is so wrong soviet thinking, but we understand that it is necessary to use and to carry out some element of synergy, and the united states tried to connect the situation near israel and the russian-ukrainian

war for good reason. with your permission, i will first deal with the first part, which is not a question, but a statement of some fact , the relationship between jerusalem and kyiv at the beginning, in the first months after or in the first year after the beginning of the russian aggression against ukraine, after february 24 last year, they were their factor, so to speak, their dynamics were determined by two factors, the first factor is this the fact that israel was on the sidelines of the complex of guarantees that ... received, signed the budapest protocol, those guarantees that were assumed by the countries that acted at that moment, let's say, subjects that provided for the security of ukraine, there among them was russia , this is understandable, but it was also some indicator that the countries of the west, and above all the united states and nato, they

had to provide ukraine in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons, to provide all the necessary materials in order to well, to ensure its national security, and something in this sense was being done. initially, it was assumed that israel was not part of this picture, but israel at the same time, israel had its own problems, to put it mildly , yes, including the appearance of russia as our own, as a border country, unlike iran, because russian troops in syria, now there are fewer of them, but the military space forces, special forces, etc., etc., etc., etc., the division of spheres of influence between iran, russia, turkey, and the united states, there, not left a lot of room for israel to maneuver, except to find an understanding with moscow that we are not going to overthrow the assad regime. treat him yourself, if you are interested in bandits, then for god's sake, but we are not ready to accept two things: the emergence of a new iranian front on the territory of syria against

us, and the transformation of syria into a transport corridor for weapons that change the state of affairs on the battlefield , i.e. the same hezbollah and other iranian proxies, moscow at that moment agreed to it, as if there was such a thing, here is some understanding, yes, this situation has changed... even before the russian invasion, it appeared again in the phraseology of russian officials, in society, in some specific actions, interpretations of these actions, for example, when the syrian air force shot down a russian plane and suddenly blamed israel, something like that took cover with a russian plane, well, of course, the f16 took cover with this slow-moving aircraft, well, you understand that when it comes to propaganda, the logic of the test is not, let’s say, significant or or... but nevertheless, the situation that occurs in bye today

she motivated or stimulated israel to adhere to the old understandings, as soon as they understand this now, the ukrainians are sure, too, that they understand that a front is really unfolding here against the same enemy, with whom ukraine is de facto at war with russia, and now, as we we understand, also de facto iran, and israel is at war with iran and its proxy, which de facto today supports russia, so it is clear who is on which side, the second thing is that this is the hybrid postmodernist military conflict that we are today we have, not necessarily presupposes direct collisions with your opponents, yes? today no, but tomorrow yes, i have a fear that russia would be interested in the maximum escalation , that's right, antina, but, you know, what we learned, living in the middle east, now living again, restoring our national hearth, the last 100 years. that's what will happen tomorrow, we'll talk tomorrow, today it's about survival, right? that's the same, one of the problems why it was possible to allow

the creation of this terrible terrorist viper in the gas sector, this is what we thought before the beginning of hostilities, and what will happen tomorrow, here we will capture them again , here we will destroy them again, mess post-apocalypse, this russian word, which is mess yes, which is used in hebrew, disorder, yes, and gangs, how... how in in hollywood films, gangs of surviving bandits roam around the ruins there, it will not be their problem, it will be our problem, but now the situation we see has changed, what will happen to the gas sector tomorrow, our european allies tell us, let's live until tomorrow, as long as we need survive will destroy the bandits, and tomorrow we will figure it out, it would be good for you guys, besides useful advice, he will also join the solution to the problem, the second point, which is connected with israeli-ukrainian relations, this is a factor, this is a real factor, and what will happen next day, in the previous years , at the time, ukraine considered in kiev

the idea of ​​entering into relations with israel that turkey once had in pre-erdogan times, today azerbaijan, that is, israel, as a rule , rarely supplies ready-made weapons, we are a small country, we have a small industry , we are brains, so to speak, so to speak, we export, yes, brain products, israeli technologies, let's say famous ammunition for the famous iron dome, they are very little produced in israel, they are produced in the usa , the magic wand is all this multi -level air defense system that israel has, from the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missiles to the windbreaker that knocks down bullets and anti-tank shells, and installed on the tank, now there is also an iron beam, which like an iron dome. only many times cheaper, one volley of an iron dome is about 20 to 50,000 dollars, here is a volley of this laser system, which does the same thing, even more efficiently, it’s about 80 cents, and that’s

already... a completely different story, that too it is mainly produced in the usa , that is why the americans immediately say, don’t worry, we will supply the ammunition, yes, yes, these are our ammunition, our developed, they are simply produced in america, and the model of partnership with our allies, so to speak, and for this it is necessary to be an ally of israel in the full sense of the word, to vote in the un, let's say as we would like, but to understand us more, how, accordingly, to expect more understanding from us, right? i am very sorry, mr. professor, i have to end our conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that professor zf hanin, professor of political science at bar ilan university, was working for them from jerusalem, why am i here, i have sensitive teeth, they eat ice cream, pain, cold air - pain, sweet, pain. the dentist said that it

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