[000:00:00;00] led to the collapse of the socialist camp as well as the soviet union , and this odc will try to somehow restore something and may build something on the basis of this in the future, putin likes to say that they are a separate civilization, that is the meaning of this separate civilization, therefore, for russia, time is also going... in the opposite direction, the only reason is that we are directly on the front line, and the further it goes, the more complicated and nervous the russian regime is, and directly putin himself, who in the head has a mission that he defends russia, which he himself invented, the csto, well , what is the csto from the point of view, well, yes, there is belarus,

there is lukashenko, there are cossacks. they are already looking at china and the zakhas, not a treaty and what kind of warsaw pact is there, well, it’s actually a desire to somehow keep at the expense of the supply of weapons, at the expense of some talks, but the fact that from the very beginning there is no ukraine, there is no azerbaijan, it finished the whole the meaning of all this entertainment, dokb is, it is no longer , no... the legacy of the warsaw pact, it is rather a caricature, if you will, of the warsaw pact, the warsaw pact, because it was a part of history, and the odb is a part of this caricature, we started with caricatures, we will end with caricatures, thank you for this paragraph, pavlo klimkin, rostyslav pelyavets, thank you for being with us, thank you,

see you soon, thank you. chevrons approaching victory, walking from the mortal danger that loomed over ukraine, continued... the thousand-year tradition of state-building in ukraine to declare ukraine an independent democratic state on august 24, 1991. for 346. glory to ukraine. glory to you blue mountains, with an icy cover and you are great knights, not forgotten by god.

fight, fight, god will help you. for you is the truth, for you is strength and holy will, a thousand years of state building, 105 years of struggle, 32 years of restoration of independence, how are you? everything is fine, like children, like a mother, i have more or less everything, well, almost, of course there is fatigue, of course insomnia, but in no case do not despair, because the strength is here, everything... us and those who are close , we will definitely overcome everything. the war exacerbated everything, emotions became sharper, actions became the same. i am best saved by city walks, long ones, to my favorite music, and the most important thing, as they say in our village, is agricultural fitness. it's bad, plant potatoes, it became easier to go ahead with beets, the main thing is not to sit within

four walls, because then... kapets, i even thought about whether to start a garden for myself in the city, and even if there are mallows on the balcony, do you want to know how to help yourself and others, go to how are you.com. hello everyone, you are watching indomitable with elena chababak, every hero who comes. for an interview with us, special for me, today's guest is no exception, i will explain now, because he is too young for me, should be traveling somewhere now, but no, he chose a completely different path, he defends us with you, and you will learn about his path to war in a moment, let's get to know viktor lakhno, viktor lakhno, military serviceman, native of zaporizhzhia

region, in 2014 graduated from school, went to the front at the age of 18, began serving in the artillery, returned to civilian life in 2019, worked as a cook for a while, returned to the army with the beginning of a full-scale invasion, defended mariupol until he was captured, after another exchange of prisoners of war, returned from the colony in olenivtsi, currently undergoing a rehabilitation course. good afternoon, my name is yunice, i was probably 18 years old, not 25, it's normal, i think , nowadays, listen, actually i'm against ageism in any form, but nevertheless, when i met you before of our conversation and was looking at your instagram page, i was delighted, and i was also excited, because by and large, in those photos that i saw on your instagram, a young man, a young man, but you have already devoted a third of your life to protection,

to our protection, you are at war, tell me, please please, where did it all begin, at what age did you come to the front, it was 18 years old, i probably had no idea of ​​war at that time, because no one is born a soldier and i don’t understand how it happens, but i graduated from school in 2014, the 14th year, there was already a year of war, it didn't start on the 21st , there were some active hostilities even then, i saw the boys, i'm just from the zaporizhia region, in general, my whole family was born in the donetsk region, i currently have relatives who are relatives in crimea, which is in donetsk, and like, well, due to some factor, i stopped communicating with them. well, i don't know, i don't want to explain it somehow, and i saw a lot, a lot of things, at my graduation, a dream was flying over us, we saw it, it was a cargo, from somewhere, that

dream of ours that it was flying, i i still remember, a very big plane, then everyone was delighted, the military was going everywhere, well, last year, the military was going everywhere, that's what i wanted to say, when the full-scale operation began, i was already on my way to polog, in some there are tereons, of course, in the bus in which i am went to school all my life in the same place, i just get on this bus and think , damn, i used to just go to school on it, now i'm already going to war, and at that moment i already knew that one of my compatriots of this day at that time, whether he was dead or in captivity, there was unclear information, because he was from snake island, a lot of guys took part and when everything started. i talked to all the guys with my own, because i used to serve since 2016, i was 18, and at the moment, when the full scale began, it had not yet begun, i was already talking to the guys on the phone and said, well, guys, this

is the situation, we need to go, who, we, we all confessed to leave everything, everyone has his own life, everyone already a family, children, well who, someone had children, someone was building a future, someone was going for something , there were more of us, they were x who also joined the army at the same age as me at the time, 18 years old, they were ideological guys, patriotic, which at that time did not attract me very much, when military personnel could use it there alcohol, something else, we renounced it completely, we did sports, we got up at 5 in the morning, we did not have this command , we did not force ourselves, we got up at 5 in the morning for ourselves, did sports, read books so that people would look at us , as normal soldiers, because at that time the military was somehow looked at badly , i'll tell you honestly, there were a lot of mobilized people who simply abused, who didn't know how to behave there, well, what to do, and they died because of them

other guys, and a lot of things in the head it was confusing, i talked to all the guys, we were all going to different units, we couldn't go to the part where we started it all, although we wanted to, i started in the artillery, in the artillery, i was a very , very good artillery specialist . because already at the age of 19 i commanded a unit, i was allowed to temporarily perform the duties of a senior officer in a battery, i was a junior sergeant, and this was an officer's position, and i was allowed to do it, i could direct artillery fire, adjust it , and i did it all myself, please tell me, and those comrades, soldiers who were with you, their age and attitude towards you, was there not a certain skepticism, damn it, we became a family, we became a family, there was at that time, many boys from children's homes, from grandparents' homes, boarding schools, boarding schools, and they somehow, damn it, they always stood up for each other, and they

also started to stand up for me, we started with them on the same path, but it just somehow turned out that way, that i have positions, i have titles, because i had some development, i was me artillery is very interesting, because it's not just just going out with a gun like that, damn it, it's mathematics, it's the mind, and it was all necessary to learn, it was all to learn, i studied, developed, some people helped me there, taught taught on the battlefield? yes, in the process itself, well, damn, 18 years old, i was at the training center for three months , i also passed all the courses with flying colors, then part, part i came, i was really small, well, now it’s just like that, i've lost weight, i'm all over it, i'm not yet i can recover, then the thin, little commander pavlo andriyovych karnienko came to me, a very good person, i still communicate with him today, he is damn.

he was a battery commander who replaced my father, he replaced my brother, he replaced any person for me, he motivated me in many ways, he was a person who not only did this with me , but with the whole unit, who motivated us to something, she inspired us with ideas, we listened to patriotic songs there, he had a mustache, and well herring, that is, a mustache, he was 34 years old there, he came in the 15th, well, as a volunteer, he left a lot in kyiv, or he left his career and then went to war, he saw me, a child, he is like that, damn it, artillery, we have there are shells weighing 60 kg, and he is like, damn, like, there, i weighed less, he says, like, where did you come, like, he didn't know what to do with me, but then, then he was very glad that i was in his unit, because our unit was one of the best combat units, we did a lot of combat tasks at that time, precisely

combat, and all of them were combative and as long as there were some combat tasks, i didn’t even , well, i didn’t like it, i can’t say that i could like the wine in any sense, i understood that it was necessary, and i understood that i was doing the necessary work appropriate for today, and then i was distracted from communicating with my peers, i did not have youth at that time, when you know, they did not understand you, i did not understand them, i am no longer in... what the hell, it’s 18 years, it’s a different life, they don’t have a war, and i’ve already been marinated in all this, i got bored and i didn't see the point in talking to them, well, on some topics, like how much to drink, where to go for a walk, well, silly things at the time motivated me to do something else , what the hell, you need to develop self-development, not only military affairs, military affairs for example, if military service, then it did not attract me, that is why in 2019, when the contract ended and

the hostilities ended for me, because it was not, well, frankly, i saw how the situation was happening, i communicated with by different divisions, 2019, everything was lost, shoot it’s impossible, there are still some jokes, it’s all minsk , let’s negotiate, and the service is to walk there with your hand on your head and listen there , i don’t know how much the salary was then, uah 11,000, and well, it’s like on our... state to sit and think that it is normal to go there as if to work, i didn’t want to, after that, well, not knowing anything, not without understanding, i came to some field and because there was a desire, inspiration, i always earned more, but where you found yourself, damn it, i still haven't found myself, i've been working everywhere, everywhere i liked it, i always liked to cook, i worked as a cook, i had no education, i cooked at home for myself and my relatives.

well, what acquaintances, and one of my acquaintances was opening a restaurant, and i simply asked him to help me one summer , after all these events, well, i agreed, helped, helped, he says i need work, i'm like that, well, well, i was thinking of working as a waiter, because i'm more sociable, and i wanted some kind of communication with people and i didn't want to sit at home, i'm like that i can be a waiter, he's a cook in the kitchen, i say, well, damn it, we have to fight, and he and i, he was a cook, he pulled me up a little somewhere. we worked, worked, and already worked all the time, i was there and sushi yolo after yolo, salads are different there , udon, well, i don’t know, anything, traditional cuisine, somehow everything turned out very easily, i cooked, everyone liked it, i liked it , i don’t know, i liked this job, i don’t cook for myself there at all, like, this is an exception, i can order delivery or something else, for someone, for someone i try, well, it's always somehow like that in life, that i can somehow score on myself, but for someone else, if people are people, people are people.

care and just help, then i will help this person as much as possible, you could have continued to cook delicious food for someone, but you decided that you need to protect the country, and it was a quick choice, a conscious choice, it was a conscious choice as quickly as possible, because i already understood at that time that i had military experience, i had already seen something, i know how it is done, i was a really good artillery specialist. from artillery reconnaissance, i very much understood well, i understood that i had to be there, because at the time when i was serving, officers came to us who spent five years at the academy, gave five years at the academy. and these officers came to the unit, they had to command it , they couldn't just command the personnel, they didn't know how to shoot a gun and what to do, how to do it, there was theoretical knowledge and no practice, and damn it, i had to do their work for them, i always did their work for someone, there for study, not study, i

i traveled as an instructor to other newly formed units to teach the boys, and i taught the boys so much that their commanders approached me. and i also learned teams from a boy who is 19 years old, there is a colonel, there is a commander of a unit, he approached me, he said, this is not how it is done, like, this is wrong, i looked at him, i think, well, the uncle is over 50 , he was boiling all the time, i say, no, i say, you are wrong , i explain why, he is like that, op, i proved, well, and i have all the time, because, well, because i somehow knew the matter very well , i had a career height, but i didn't want to, i didn't want to. after february 24, 2022, how quickly did you find yourself at the front and where exactly, in which direction? on the 25th, the 25th, well, i wanted the 24th, actually, i wanted the 24th, i was in the city of berdyansk, zaporizhzhia region, on vacation, i had a wonderful life, an apartment with a view of the sea, a girl,

damn it, i have at that period of my life , it seemed to me that everything was perfect with me, everything that i wanted, and here the full scale begins, i think, well, it's cool. like, we postpone everything, there is a relationship that has started now that needs to be broken, because, well, i don't need it, me i don't want that, i don't want that i worry about another person, i don't find it when i'm not around, and i didn't want anyone to worry about me, i 'm not one of my relatives, i didn't tell about what i was doing, never , when i was in the war before, i got my parents used to the fact that i don't need to call, only i call, and when i have free time for this and call... rarely so that they, they get used to it, what the hell, because no, you don't have to call every day, and you're strict, it's mind-blowing, it's mind-blowing, well me first of all, not like a child, like what a dear mother, okay, like i explain what i love, but i may not have time and i need to understand where

i am, i have free time, i will call back, i will write back, well, like , everything is fine, i'll say that i'm fine , i don't like, i can't be more precise... listening to tears, it's very difficult, here i had to inform the parents of the death of one of the boys, and i say, like, well let someone else do it like i'll confirm but i can't listen to the tears it depresses me so much if the boys are on my lap were dying, i was damn normal about it, right, well, it was mariupol, and it wasn't the first, and that's all, well, like, well, what are you going to do, it's simple. what can't you do, you, you tried to save, you didn't save, and damn it, and everything, it's already a body, like, and i'm going to die here myself, well, like dragging the body, like, like, we dragged him away, there, well, in general , they tried to save more than one guy, but a lot of people died, i’m just, well, everything is dead, well, there are no emotions, no tears, maybe

because i didn’t just know these people, i’m with we will get to know them there for 10 minutes, there for several hours, people there too, well, a lot of guys died, and the guys are young, mostly, mostly young, unfortunately, the war steals the young, the best and those who could build this country, your girl , she accepted that choice of yours, no, no, damn, i, i explained, i explained what i'm saying, right now i don't want a relationship, i don't want any relationship, i don't need it, when it's over, the war is over, then we can return... to this conversation, i say but not for now, she has just started something to find out, to show my girlish feelings, i blocked and everything, well somehow damn, well, what did you put a full stop, a bold full stop, so well, i don’t want to talk about this topic, let’s talk more about

about the military for sure, i don’t mind, you have about this right, about the military, so forgive me, i am getting to know you here during this conversation. the circumstances, that is, you are stuck on the way out, so live it up, at least i am alive, although at that moment i did not understand, i have enough until the last moment, until the last moment, damn it, we have already been told that we are surrendering as prisoners, and i wasn't going to surrender anyway, and there were guys who weren't going to do it, we didn't want to do it, we understood that... it could be difficult, and there's captivity, i just saw guys blowing themselves up on grenades, when they were surrounded so as not to surrender, although they shouted to them, surrender, i understand that some surrendered, and just stayed alive. but the guys blew themselves up, young guys who were 19 years old blew themselves up with grenades because they ran out of ammo, i was in

a situation, i'm going to meet a guy, damn, i want very easy to remember the call sign, but i have some problems with my memory, because something flies out, i can't remember some things, if i remember something, i will definitely say it, a young guy, was in a position, private house, left the coast, tick-tock, vaska, kadyra, it’s normal, damn it, they’re tic-tac-toe troops, but they’re fighting normally , first of all, well, like, i understand that there are a lot of drugs, maybe i won’t say it, but we saw cars filled with drugs narcotics, well, the boys go into battle, okay, like, well, how do they go into battle, we don’t have equipment, we have no artillery, we have nothing. in the morning, artillery starts to fall on us, fix how much the planes fly, the carcass flies, the front is narrow, it all flies in us, and i

first, when i arrived in mariupol, i walked, walked freely, i walked, the plane is flying, well, the guys say, the plane should lie down, i say, are you serious, i say, this is not rational, i say, like for three infantrymen, i say a rocket from an airplane, i say, well, no, never, but first of all it is an airplane that throws missiles, damn three infantrymen. i didn't understand that when in position, i don't know the enemy probably thought that there were a lot of us in positions, and everyone probably thinks so , i know a guy who is a 70-year-old man, a 70-year -old russian man, banned 100%, he blew up more than one piece of equipment there, either with mines or from the same fly, when a guy stupidly runs out of a fly that won't break through a tank, but hits him, because the tank dismantles other guys, he runs out, well, probably to his death, because we don't have a tank with an armored personnel carrier techniques, well, that's all his, well , he will tear him apart, and he will run out guys, one with

a smile, the other with a horn from different sides, run and in a group, they shoot at the equipment, realizing that they will not return, but they succeed in it, and they return, and it was not just one such campaign, i do not know how these people were simply talented, there are a lot of such people around me there were people, i think what helped us was more god and faith in god, although... i never had it, well, it's really effective, i don't know how it works, damn it, i'm a lot chattering, i listen to you because you are today's heroes, you talk about your combat experience that we don't know about, once, but for this guy, who was there, he was surrounded, and the equipment, that's all, he was surrounded, with him, there were two old people, he let them go, they could not fight, well, they again... just came up with ideas of patriotism, when mariupol

was in the ring, they came, took weapons in their hands and well, they at least helped somehow, they loaded the shops there, somewhere someone was cooking, somewhere someone was sitting at night, well, somehow old people, pensioners came and they helped us, they left with home, understanding what the situation is and that help is needed, they for the first time, they picked up weapons, they actually already have to shoot in combat, we explain how to shoot, it’s with a yako, well , it was kind of funny to us then that the grandfather, who can’t shoot, damn it, he can barely stand and he takes, there we say, shoot in somali, like, you know, hide and just pour somewhere , well, like one sound will be enough for them to be afraid of that, and he is there from the hip, somehow, but what is the return, if he is elderly and no, there is no strong one there, but he is old from the hip there in the direction of the enemy, somehow from the hip there we shoot, we laugh about it, we think, damn, grandfather, well, you are tough, like a handsome guy, and there were a lot of such people, there were guys there

for 18 years, there were actually a lot of guys who fought in mariupol, because the last one i hid, we wanted to save the guy, it was night, his brother ran up to us and said that his friend had either been injured or killed , he didn't understand, we wonder where he just got lost, that's the type of guys there, well, i'll repeat the same thing, we say where and he shows us what is above, we understand what is there a sniper is working, we can't see anything, but we understand that the guy is lying there, it's like we need to save him, we run in there , we find a body in the dark, just without lights, without anything, we grab it, well, we feel that he's breathing, he's alive , he is hot, warm, we take him to the basement immediately, we want to provide medical assistance, we take off the fairy's vest, and at this moment, when i take the fairy on my lap, the brains flow out of the guy and he is already a fireplace of stones. no, not alive, just the body froze, we, we understand that, well, it's like the maximum

fig situation, we want to establish, identify him as a person, to transfer information, to register him , what we have: there is a dead person and to understand who he is, not just some body, he has no documents, the guy does not have any documents, just i only find his mobile phone, i try to unlock it, i don’t unlock it, and there is a photo on the mobile phone, he is about 21 or 20 years old, he is in the photo of a 17- or 18-year-old girl, at the drama theater at the fountain, the guy is from mariupol, i understand, events of the drama theater and its photo. girls, to you i had to see and experience so much, i don't know why i react normally to it, i don't know why, i never once cried, no, when i just returned to ukraine, but let's talk about how we were captured and that day , when you understood that you were going to the enemy, on his

terms, there, there, there were other conditions. they described the situation differently to us, they told us that we would be in touch, we would be able to inform, we would get there, we knew where we were going, we already knew that it would be olenivka, no one would touch us there, we would be separate in the barracks to live, we are simply moving forward from the war , for the sake of it, we are heroes, this is an honorable capture, we will have normal three meals a day, conditions to take a shower, a hot shower, they say, there will be beds, everything will be there. everything will be fine, you will be in touch, once a month, you will inform your relatives that you are alive, who said that, the russians, no, we are in league with each other, you know, damn it, i just don't understand, too of this situation, as in the same place, there is no information, there is no communication, and all the information that comes, it comes by word of mouth, because today

we are a vorafanne radio, so to speak, yes, constantly, because erdogan has influenced us 10 times, and we should have already been on the ship, we were fed hope, but it is good that we were fed these hopes and we hoped that we will survive, we fought to the last, so that at least someone survived, because we were constantly told, guys, hold out for 3-4 days, and we held on, we held on incredibly, when everyone had already fallen, we stood on the left bank and held on, there is no position there, there is no house, we have no trenches, no one prepared for this, we do not have any equipment, we there is nothing to hit the tank, there are no mines for the mortar, and we held on, we just, well, the tank, the artillery is destroying us, well, like , okay, we are waiting, the wounded man, we can’t take him away, we don’t have an evacuation vehicle, we don’t have anything , we somehow patched it up because, well, we didn't have doctors there,

we treated ourselves, it's your life in your hands, brother to brother. but you have to think about yourself, we treated it like that there, if it doesn't leak very much, we have to wait for the evening, we always waited at night, so that we move only at night, during the day it’s very difficult, because it’s going to hell , massive artillery fire begins, aviation , after that a tank with an armored personnel carrier drives in, they dismantle everything, we lie there, suffer the wounded, the dead already, and wait the infantry, only the equipment, and i, and the artillery and the equipment stops a little, the infantry is coming, and we are glad that it is the infantry, we think, okay, well, it is not without ridicule, we repel the infantry and wait for the equipment again, we sit like that day after day constantly, and we are already so used to it that you are a prisoner when you got injured or not, well, they were already, they were already time, no, no, i am talking about

you personally, did you have injuries, were there injuries, i have a cranial wound of the left shin of the leg, soft tissues, back of the thoracic part, and the lower back somewhere in this radius, they are shallow, well, there is a through shallow one, something else, well, somewhere they got the fragments, somewhere they didn’t, there were no longer conditions to get them, they just poked around on the donkey, well it hurts, it's unpleasant, they didn't get it, well, okay, maybe we'll get it in ukraine, well, i think, okay, but ukraine is still far away, i think it was before the capture. and when you were already in captivity and realized that the conditions were not what you thought about, and that the enemy would not arrange a warm bath for you, this happened on the first day, no, no, there was a very large number of people there, too large, and they weren't ready either, as far as i understand, we