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of the front. shot. freedom life from. frankly and unbiased. you draw your own conclusions. we continue the live broadcast on the espresso tv channel and, as promised, we will now talk about the development of the situation in the middle east, the confrontation between the state of israel and the terrorist organization hamas. mykhailo pelivert, an israeli political scientist, is also in touch with us. mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. congratulations. good day. let's probably start with the main ones. what is happening now in the gas sector, can it be considered an onshore operation that has begun? you know, this is a big question, it is very difficult to answer it now, in any case, i can say with a great deal of confidence that everything that we expect, for example, in the mass media,

political scientists, politicians, analysts, this will most likely not happen, that is, here i am sure, they are preparing an order of magnitude more interesting, more well-prepared operation, which will not be similar to what we expect, what they are talking about, in in the mass media, today there was also information that the united states asked israel not to conduct large-scale, ground operations , to limit itself, rather, let's say so, to specific events, i think that in any case, the fact that our politicians, the minister defense prime minister, they are preparing us for a long confrontation with hamas, which means that israel will act as much as possible, first of all from the air, and at a later stage will conduct point-to-point ground operations, it must be understood that the gas sector is very

dense. a small piece of land of 350 square kilometers only on the border of which several hundreds of thousands of israeli soldiers are now concentrated, so that we simply understand that this is approximately the same as it was at the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine, but here we are talking about completely different on a geographical scale, and the danger that awaits our soldiers in the gas sector is... unfortunately, very high, in israel it is customary to treat every human life with great care, so the decision about a ground operation is a very difficult decision, now there is an opinion , that there are certain disagreements in israel, they say that the tsagal army is ready for a ground operation, any plan, but the political leadership is delaying this moment, do

you support this thesis? you know, this is a very difficult question, we have an army last few dnei spoke about how the border is at the castle, several years ago hamas. dare not attack us, everything is under control, we spent several billion dollars on the construction of a technological wall, a separation, a border between israel and the gas sector, but all this turned out to be of no help, so now the israelis have, let's say, very a wary attitude towards everything that sakhal says is unfortunately bad, public opinion polls show that the level of trust in the israeli defense forces has fallen, but with on the other hand, we don't have a second army, in relation to the political leader, our political leaders, trust in them is even

lower, it should be understood that benjamin netanyahu has been the prime minister for the past 15 years with a short break 2 years ago, so he is personally responsible for such ... not for such a failure, not only a military one, but also a civil one, yes, the government, the state of israel turned out to be unprepared for such, for such an insidious attack that occurred on october 7, this is all that forces israelis very emotional, very negative towards the current government , but i think now, after all, people prefer to focus on the task on the goals... postpone it for later, but at the same time, this political tension is felt, benyaminyagu wrote on his twitter tonight , that the army did not warn the political leadership about

the impending danger, that is, he is trying to transfer the arrows to blame the army, that it should first of all be responsible for this failure. eh in in israel, this was perceived very negatively, all politicians needed to immediately remove this tweet, as well as the minister of defense, and the former minister of defense, and the former chief of the general staff, in the end benjamin removed his tweet and even wrote that he apologizes for what he wrote these words and it only means that the situation is very tense, nerves are on edge, and this can be observed both in the political sphere and in relations between military politicians. mykhailo, we understand that the situation in

the territories adjacent to the gas sector and in the gas sector is one story, and the situation on the west bank of the jordan river is a slightly different story, and the coexistence of israelis and forms, forms of coexistence of israelis from... representatives of the arab population with representatives of the arab population, with the palestinians, well, they are very, very different, and a little about the west bank, yes, i can hardly imagine such an average static day somewhere in hebron , for example, yes, but what does it look like, tell me a little, you know, i think that the most unexpected for the hamas organization is the past three weeks is the fact that in... samaria , as we call it, is relatively calm, that is, despite the fact that every night, of course, preventive operations of the israeli army are carried out there, in general, we see that

the majority, and the overwhelming the majority of palestinians prefer to provide themselves with a decent way of life, i live in a relatively mixed area, there are three palestinian villages around me, and every day the inhabitants of these villages... come to work with us in our jewish settlement, i have an opportunity talk to them, ask them about how they view the situation, and i see with great, great joy that they do not agree with the atrocities of hamas and they understand that their policy is hamas, this is terrorism, it will not bring the palestinians to a more dignified way of life, i'm not naive, i don't think that, unfortunately, yes, all palestinians think so, but at the same time, it's very important for me to demonstrate, you know, half, look at the half-full glass, that coexistence is still

possible , sooner or later this war it will end, and i call on the israeli government, we in the israeli mass media will think about this day too, the west bank is still relatively calm inside israel, we, i don't know how well your viewers remember, but in 2000, in may in 2021, when israel conducted large-scale, anti-terrorist clashes between arab israelis and jewish israelis, it was, especially in the mixed cities of lod, akko, haifa, now the war has been going on for 3 weeks, the most brutal and the largest of all wars. who we are have seen over the past 50 years, it is also calm inside israel, and this makes me still believe that the civil

solidarity of the arabs of the israelis is there, it is, and this makes me a little more optimistic today than i was, maybe a few days ago . mykhailo, in your opinion, is it possible to realize, in the foreseeable future, the project of a palestinian state, a state that should have been created, for various reasons, has not been created yet, but the state that has been created now is already partially recognized in the world, that is how the project of this state can to arise in the foreseeable future, in at least 5-10 years, taking into account the current realities , see, it is absolutely no coincidence that president biden, secretary of state blinken, other, even very pro-israel senators, who have visited israel in recent days and are talking about , that on the one hand they guarantee... full military and diplomatic support to israel, on

the other hand, they say that the alternative, the so-called formula of two states for two peoples, and therefore the creation of a palestinian state, no, i now - i think that for many israelis this question is not irrelevant, inappropriate, untimely, but at the same time, i am a big realist today, and when i try to solve this complicated... problem, i, uh, before refusing to solve two states for two peoples, i would like to see if there are other alternatives, i do not see other alternatives now, so it is not paradoxical that the deeper the israeli military operation, the war of destruction, the hamas organization in the gaza sector, the further it will advance , the more we will hear about it we call the peace process, and i think that the support of the united states, the support of peace for

us, is guaranteed, only if we do not refuse it, even in words, at this stage, from this decision, time will tell how realistic it is, i repeat, today i don't see any other alternative, the last question, there are quite large-scale actions in support of the palestinians in the world, and this... does not always apply exclusively to the countries that mainly practice islam there, but it generally applies to certain movements, public movements, and in democracies, yes, in many democracies the world, uh, why so, and how israelis respond to support for the liberation of palestine, and again, i emphasize that the liberation of palestine , as most of the people who

come to these actions see it, does not mean or should not mean support for hamas terrorists, and these are slightly different things, must be understood, because what hamas does cannot be supported under any conditions, and there for the future vision, in general, and attitude towards the palestinians and the palestinian state, for god's sake, can be different, like the israelis react to these actions support for the palestinians? well, of course, we treat it negatively, negatively, it hurts us that the world does not understand that now we are facing evil, and unfortunately, yes, during the war with evil, there are victims, if only, at the time, at the time second world war, the fight against the nazis, every time, was determined not by death, but by avoiding death. civilians, then probably there would be no victory, i

now, first of all, it should be noted that mainly these anti-israeli demonstrations are present where, as you correctly noted that there are many immigrants from the countries of the middle east, but let's not be mistaken, the residents who take to the streets of london, or chicago or berlin, left the middle east in order to live in the countries of the first world, in democracies, and not in totalitarian religious dictatorships, therefore , anti-israeli sentiments, they have not disappeared anywhere, israel, this country is stronger than the palestinians. in this sense, you see, there are always sympathies except for the religious question, they are always on the side of the weak, but unfortunately, very often anti-israeli demonstrations

anti-jewish demonstrations are taking place, today i watched shocking footage, as in the southern caucasus, in dagestan, a crowd demands from the police to check whether there are any jews in the hotel, and this... of course to me, well, wait, let's not pretend, this takes place in the russian federation, the region, yes dagestan and the north caucasus, but less so this is russia , well, by the way, we have seen similar pro-palestinian organ demonstrations in moscow unfortunately, and the very fact that the minister of foreign affairs, deputy minister of foreign affairs of russia officially accepted a representative, an official representative of the terrorist organization hamas, well, that's all... but it doesn't make me believe in objectivity, in neutrality, in the desire to contribute to the restoration of peace, but i repeat, now we are israelis, you asked how israelis to this point, we israelis now believe that if you pay attention to every

dog ​​that barks at you and throw a stone at it, you will never reach your goal, that is, it is not necessary now they will pay attention to this, we will deal with public opinion later, here. this is much more important than the sympathy of the world for us. thank you for the analysis, mykhailo pelivert, an israeli political scientist, was in touch with us. a short pause on the air now and we will look at affairs, as they say, overseas, but i still propose to continue with the topic, actions for escalation in the middle east, in particular in the united states, stay with us. there are discounts on amicitron of 20% in psyllanyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. it was me, before, bleeding gums

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it is not quite so, but not everywhere in the world there is an understanding that free palestine and support for hamas are not the same thing. andrii dobryanskyi, director of communications of the ukrainian congress committee, is with us at communication, mr. andriy, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, thank you, and. i would very briefly ask you to outline to what extent everything is unfolding in the united states now, in general, the trend, i would not like to say, but anti-semitism, does this phenomenon exist at all, does it appear, after all, the question of the state of israel, in anyone in the world, shouldn't be anything like, sorry, be anti-jews per se, right? well, this is not an easy question, it is a long-standing question, however,

but, indeed, the word anti-semitism, it was created by a jewish schoolboy, and specifically talks about crimes against and thoughts against jews, it was jointly founded when the state of israel was restored, because... for the jewish people, they existed just like ukrainians, just like other enslaved peoples, without their homeland for centuries, and finally had to return, well, in half of the 20th century, and now now, after this tragic terror on october 7, in which we know that ukrainians died: we know that ukrainians are not yet secured in israel, i think that we

see, unfortunately, more antisemitism throughout the world, specifically on that one demonstrations, when people say that they would like to see some kind of palestinian state, which would completely destroy the state of israel, this is me... i was very sad and the israelis are also very sad about the future of their people, besides the fact that this is now , the temporary battle for will end, eh, thank you, mr. andriy, for eh, this vision, yes, it is very important for us to understand what is happening now, and we return to our purely ukrainian issues now, well, they seem purely to us in ukrainian, speaker of the chamber representatives in the congress, this is the essence. the ukrainian issue now, because yes, it depended on it, on it depended very important

votes for us, after all, mr. johnson is taking this position and we understand that his position before he became speaker and after he took this position, these are slightly different things, i understand correctly, yes, but the most important thing is for people to understand, this is how i explain to our community here... in america, and i will tell you the same in ukraine, the main thing is, that this man is not a long-term politician, and these are different things, means that not only does the war have a lot of contacts, but that he is not familiar with many, ethnic minorities or active community leaders across america, and he really is the speaker of the house of representative who has less, well, became, the least in history

as we know it, a speaker for the entire history of america. er, it doesn't help anyone , i never like it, when there is a change in congress my congressman, my friends, congressmen, they have to be studied, but even worse, when a man or a woman becomes speaker, who don't even know that exists in america, and that's the most tragic thing for america, now now , that it's going to take longer for speaker johnson to get to know the... all the procedures and the rest, that's what he said before, yes, a lot of it was against ukraine, a lot of it was against other, well, strong lawyers here in america, but this does not mean that this will be his plan for the future, the worst thing about him is that he became the speaker so quickly that many, even from those , who voted for him, did not understand what

he stood for, and now many are coming out his earlier... podcasts, earlier articles, statements, i don't think they really understood who they voted for, uh, er, tell me, in your opinion, and in your sense, the united states is now capable, both financially and militarily , as they say, to charge two, quite large and voluminous conflicts, the conflict, the war in ukraine, the russian federation against us, and the conflict in the middle east between the state of israel and the terrorists of hamas, taking into account the prospect of expanding the situation in the middle east, because there players can also join and this means additional resources may be required. the united states is ready for this, and in case another

flare-up somewhere in the world in the sphere of interests of the united states. what can this mean? well, leaders always have to be prepared that anything will happen, but there are two questions, i would say, whether there is a question, whether america can and whether it is prepared, these are two other questions, and maybe what other country in the whole world would could, this is america, because it is really the richest, and it has those factories, has those workers who could help both ukraine and israel, on alas, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, america has forgotten to prepare to prepare more and more weapons, only now, eh, most politicians in washington will understand what it means when america transfers weapons to ukraine, and how many

jobs it shows here in america, jobs to prepare such weapons, most of the money goes back to america, it increases the wealth in america, and this, well, this is the beginning of how america can wake up a little and become the leader that it used to be after the second world war war, and what is happening purely internally, internally. of american politics, the former vice president of the united states withdraws from the presidential race , in general, yes, we understand that, there are certainly reasons for which a person with experience and ambition refuses such prospects, i do not know what personal reasons there may be , to be honest, i did not meet this in any of the analysts, but less so, the united states and the upcoming elections,

how do you see it? the most important thing for the former vice president is that he did not achieve certain things decision to participate in the future debate , and he did not want to be ashamed of remaining as a candidate, but not enough, collecting money, money, or in various public meetings, he became on the level to qualify for the future debates , and this is the main thing, now we see how many will remain on the republican side, which as everyone now thinks, there will be at most four candidates left when the voting actually begins in mid-january, i did not have a meeting this week with one