[000:00:00;00] in germany, that is, the nazis were already in power, but it didn't start immediately, it started there after five, six months, six months, a year later, and here are such pictures, when the lumpenized nato, you know, like kristallnacht , and watching this, we can say that we are witnessing the real birth of the nazi state, i can also read you a wonderful phrase of one of the famous russian cows, if you want to kill jews, go to gaza or kyiv, i know the address of one, i can tell you the bank 11, here are beautiful illustrations for you, as you know, like from textbooks, like from history textbooks , well, this is another illustration, mr. vitaly, we already know from this that russia is no longer a nazi state, because it does not have nazism, but it there is a fascist state, or a fascist-

like one, because fascism is never a likeness. not every country, it has russian forms, as schneider says, it is racism, other forms, after all, ukrainians know, but what you know , the zavshis are looking for the first, the first such minority that can be exterminated or, or evicted or something else, and it's very often jews, you know that, it's one of the signs of fascism, so there's nothing to comment on, after all, imagine a different situation, imagine that crimea is ukrainian, imagine that crimean tatars are running somewhere, i don't know they are looking for israelis at some airport in yalta, the situation is impossible, that is, even, even us, the muslim world is completely different from, than somewhere over there, somewhere over there in russia, there is not even anything to comment on here, because these are so obvious things, you know that they are simply not subject to comment, and by the way, we are not we don't see any messages from crimea, it's true, yes, but you know, because there, because

, because the russians are there, after all, we don't... we don't know what will happen next, wait, you know, it's still early, still early, still it is too early to judge anything, but obviously now there are a lot, i have a lot of acquaintances in israel, exactly what kind of israelis you are, well, obviously, i can’t boast that there are too many acquaintances, mostly the tsedemic elite, intellectuals, but journalists, they are all they are convinced that russia is their enemy, they have nothing to do with it, nothing to do with this doubt, it's simple it shows again what they, they used to know, the world is polarizing, obviously, we have this muslim arab world that... is now against the west, israel is the embodiment of the west in that case, and obviously russia is trying to take over the role of the leader of this anti-anti-western world, and in this case obviously jews and westerners , there is nothing to talk about here, western jews, western ukrainians, it is probably the most difficult to be a ukrainian jew now, because he is under fire from all sides, well, you know, we will see , as now the representatives of the jewish community of russia

will be able to themselves. mr. khanin, who left zaporizhzhia, he now works in the ministry of migration, he was personally involved in the last aliyah of the russian ukrainian jews who left at the beginning of the war, and he says that it quickly became clear that when these crowds of immigrants come from russia, from ukraine, which quickly became apparent, they cannot be housed together, ukrainian and russian jews, disputes immediately begin and sometimes even reach the point of physical violence, that is, we see clearly that, you know, the jewish world is divided, ukrainian jews, about putin's jews, but i think that now it is very difficult to be a putinsky jew, if we say it is difficult to be a ukrainian jew, then it will be even more difficult to be a russian jew about putin, it's just incredible, some kind of incredible combination, it's like being a hitlerite jew, now it would be like that , well, we haven't seen hitlerian jews, so by and large, well , whatever, of course, but one way or another, by the way, i wanted to talk about this polarization the world,

because ukraine has been trying all along. somehow find a common language with, my god, i'm sorry, i'm watching, i'm watching the footage, i'm watching the footage, i'm interested, listen , i didn't even see it, these cars are swinging around, there, they're police cars, yes, i understand, yes, it's a pogrom , this is a pogrom, this is a pogrom, this, listen, well, in the end it’s russian, the russian state has enriched all the languages ​​of the world, with this beautiful word, so why should it give up the main achievement of its civilization, i said, the satellites are already behind... musk , you know, and every russian can commit a pogrom citizen, well, i say, you should not export to russia, except for gas, oil and violence, that's all, that's all that is now the main object, russian export, so about this, the division of the worlds, about which there is a lot of talk now, ukraine tried all these months to find a common language with the civilized world, but also to find a common language with the global south, we

put a lot of effort into this, and now it turns out... that there are real failures between these two worlds in connection with the events in the middle east, and that's what what should ukraine do in this situation, the situation in ukraine is in a very difficult, difficult situation, obviously here on... i will not even comment on it , because we obviously understand that the palestinian conflict, the pasto-zrap conflict has a negative effect on the ukrainian situation, thomas fidman wrote that israeli troops will enter hamas from the territory, the territory is controlled by hamas and a massive operation will begin, then obviously the first thing that putin will do is open a bottle of champagne , because it is very good for him, i do not know whether the russian special services were active there, as much as they printed, we understand the situation that on kuku russians, and not, unfortunately, unfortunately, not ukraine, i just want to make two comments, first of all, i think that we should not use the word conjunction global south, it is part of russian propaganda with all those who speak as specialists in

south, they say that there is a global east, a global rooster, this is such a meme created in the kremlin , because it is difficult to realize that the interests of china and india are common, or china, china itself, india, say, the rest of the muslim world or the latin america, actually. is global the world is deeply divided, the deep global south, the only thing we understand about the situation is the second thesis that all the work of ukraine, which was trying to find allies in the arab, muslim world, now i will not say that the chances are zero, but very low, therefore that with this polarization, in connection with this polarization, the muslim world will obviously be anti-american and, by definition, anti-ukrainian, and in this the situation will be quite bad for us, the only thing i can say is that it is unlikely to affect our position in ukraine, it will affect, of course, al or too negative, therefore which is still very important, there is one fundamental difference, and it must be seen between the ukrainian and israeli situations, look, if we talk about the palestinian-arab conflict, the west is

divided, and this dividing line runs mainly between brussels and washington, mainly, i am not saying that there is absolutely a line, but we still see that the west is divided, i do not know the position, in fact in the ukrainian case there is no such split, brussels and washington are on the same side here, i have a senior like that, you know , a british journalist who has a very interesting specialization, on the one hand, he specializes in the history of rock music, lennon, mcjagger, and on the other hand, he is a specialist in the history of warriors, from warriors, he has been at all points of acute conflict in the last 20 years, and he says that he is a man who has seen a lot, he says that in the case of the ukrainian situation, he does not see such a war when everything is so obvious, when it is crystal clear, it is clear where the truth is. where is wrong, where is evil, where, where is evil, where is good, who is right, who is wrong, in the case of the obviously palestinian-israeli conflict, such the situation is much more difficult, because here the lines are blurred, although we understand that there are many analogies, but you know, i will say this, i am

categorically against drawing analogies between the palestinian-israeli conflict, the israeli-arab conflict, the ukrainian-russian conflict, i i think that this is another boom that russian propaganda is currently launching at us, in particular , lavrov said about this that when they say calm down, take it easy, put ukraine in the place of palestine, in the place of israel, russia, and you will have the same situation, i think , that it is not, the whole situation, completely completely, completely different. these parallels were drawn by president biden, when he combined aid to ukraine and israel into one financial package, the intentions of the united states, but very importantly, he combined ukraine with israel, not ukraine with palestine, this is a fundamental difference, and of course, because russia , russia compares ukraine with palestine, you and i say that russia has the same rights as the arab world. that is, you understand, it is other, other, another, another division, that is, in that case it is obvious that we know that regardless of whether the world will be divided, the western world or the global the north, we will call it, will be divided in relation to the israeli conflict, there will be no such division in relation to the ukrainian conflict , with the exception, of course, of such small countries

as slovakia and hungary, but this is a separate topic, they do not decide much, there is no g7, well, that is also by the way an interesting topic that should be discussed from the point of view of the future of ukraine, because we know how many... wrongs hungary and slovakia, hungary more, slovakia less, suffered from russia, and when russian troops several times both during the times of the russian empire and in times of the soviet union were destroyed the hungarian desire for freedom, and when the soviet troops passed through bratislava to prague to destroy the prague spring, and there in slovakia they were met, to put it mildly, without much enthusiasm, and today such a large part of the citizens of hungary and slovakia is ready to vote. for pro-russian forces, and why? and will it not be like this in our country one day, anything can happen, you know, a historian can never say never, because we know that the situation is historically unpredictable, black swans,

and so on, but this pram comes to chairman, i may leave slovakia in brackets for now, because i don't know it very well, but what i see now in central eastern europe are three peoples, or three nations, or three countries, whatever we want, that have preserved the imperial... .can't get rid of the first - it's russia, it's in the first place, the second - it's hungary, which has a teronian trauma, which remembers its greatness before, before... before before the first war, and the third is serbia. actually, these are three countries that continue to nurture, you know, this relationship of supremacy, we can repeat and such and such everything else is different. i can't say slovakia, although i know from other conversations, which i deduced, that slovakia already had prophetic moods, maybe i will remember from history, when our ukrainian refugees fled from the soviet army to the west in 1944, they were received quite coldly in slovakia , because they believed that the russians should do something bad, because as morsians they can do something bad when

they are brothers, it is difficult for me to say something here, i understand that slovakia is divided, i do not think that slovakia, at least from the fact that i hear that i see that slovakia is not, relatively speaking, hungary, there is not such a majority as orbán has, it is divided, the situation is most likely, let's say, rather the weight of the balance, which is swaying, we do not know how long the fico regime will hold on, because we would have hope for what happened: poland, for me, poland is much more important and the change of power in poland is much more important than the change in slovakia, but here you know, i can't comment on anything more, unfortunately i know slovakia very poorly, but that's all after all, i believe that slovak is a hungarian language, and even more so serbia, well, this is an interesting moment when you talk about slovakia as a country in which there are different attitudes and they are certainly different, but when we talk about countries like poland and, by the way, about countries like serbia, we all

at the moment we are talking about two societies that have been in conflict all the time, the entire historical time , the democratic part and the right-conservative part, i would say , which acquires different features, we can say that such a struggle has been taking place in poland since the beginning 20s of the past hundred years ago, from the first republic, from the assassination of president narutovych, and yes and no, i certainly agree with you that narutovych and the so-called national democracy, which was more afraid of germany than russia , and therefore believed that it was necessary to go to the union with russia, regardless of whether it is red or white, which believed that all the peoples that should be divided between russia and poland, including ukrainians, belarusians and lithuanians, this is the line of dendecius, i believe that the modern pis, the party in power, the former is not there is ndecija, although she abuses it as a populist in polish, or even that they can, but, but there is a terrible difference, in poland, what is the opposition, what is the government, and what is anti-russian.

it is hard to imagine that, say, someone like hitso came to poland , well, of course there is a confederation, which we can talk about separately, which has pro-russian sentiments, at least implicitly, but it is hard to deny that someone came to power in poland who would clearly state that russia is an ally, and ukraine is an enemy, i believe, again, from my experience, from what he writes, that in this situation in central, eastern europe, there is the key role is for poland, it is this state that determines this, the tuning fork, you know, this mood that exists, and for me it is very key, again, excuse me for going off topic of our conversation, i believe that for the future of this war and in general for ukraine it is very important to build a joint axis krakow, warsaw-berlin, because this is the axis that can change europe, change the nature of the european union itself, and berlin has changed a lot in the past year and a half, what peace did, what the government party did , she tried to cut

her from the berlin side because you you know, all the propaganda of the pis was so anti-russian, so anti-german at the same time that it was murder in the end for poland itself, and thank god that it ended, but if the entire rhetoric of the pis was that the ukrainians are ungrateful, look, we are helping them, and they are still going, extending their hand to germany, but i think that with the arrival of the public civil coalition it is over, i have a very high hope that tusk, his party runners will start this line... they will, because this is where i see the key position now the future of ukraine, rather than the palestinian arab, arab-israeli conflict. if we talk about this line kyiv, warsaw, berlin, it must be said that warsaw and berlin put much more effort into historical reconciliation than warsaw and kyiv, i even said that even kyiv and berlin put more effort into historical reconciliation than warsaw and kyiv, and it is not an easy way, you agree, i agree with you, but because, relatively speaking, the germans reeducated, it took

a lot of time to reeducate the germans, that the germans themselves resolutely decided to parry their past and they themselves offered a hand, extended a hand to the poles, it was not easy, it did not happen at the same time, but it happened because in poland, in germany , a culture, a culture of reconciliation, all the former enemies that germany had, germany interprets their allies now, including russia, obviously that was also wrong, but one way or another, one way or another there is an understanding, both in germany and in warsaw, that they have a common enemy, and this is a common russia, and that, and it is a radical change that occurred in the first turn in germany, in the last year and a half since the beginning of the war, but now this change...' may develop due to the fact that another government has come to poland. if we return to these topics of two societies in one country, you talked a lot about these two societies in ukraine. it can be said that the military trials have changed this situation, that we will no longer have these two ukraines, or can they appear again after the war ends, or at least

stops? i think that these countries are created by history, and because they are historical, then they are not will exist for quite a long time, the question is simply what will be the level of conflict or antagonism, will it pass some kind of antagonism , or will it rather be one of many conflicts, because now it is no longer a conflict, it is a difference, a difference in a method, a difference in shades attitude, i present this thesis, i really like this short thesis of mifnik, he said this 20 years ago, that the european future of ukraine will be learned not by kyiv, lviv, because it is clear here, but by kharkiv, odesa, as russian-speaking cities, as well as cities in the image of russian culture, and i think that now in a year and a half, even faster than a year and a half, now there is no doubt that kharkiv, odesa want to be in europe and in nato, after all i am showing this to sociologists, i think that this is the biggest change, that is, we see that there is a difference in shades, but the difference shades, say, between 85-95%, it is not between the majority and the minority , that is, we do not have this division, which we have in poland or we have the division of slovakia, of course,

here we can talk about the effect of war, because war changes society and we don't know what conflicts will be after the war, because after all, we have it now, it's called mobilization around the flag, when the society is threatened, it unites around its flag, around independence for its existence, everything else, i am afraid that we will have other conflicts, but i do not think that this conflict will be decisive between eastern and western ukraine, or russian, in particular because if, if or when we rejoin donbas and crimea, it will be another donbas, another crimea, because before that this effect of two ukraines... preferably at the expense of donbas, donbas, which is big territory, a large population, he sharply, you know, shifted, shifted the line of this division, this line into a line, a line of conflict, i assume that after the war, after the end of the war, after these territories are reintegrated, these differences will exist, but they will not have

the character of what we say in the fourth or 14th year, if we talk in principle about the understanding of these, i would say, in terms of ukraine's historical burden, it is also different, if you think about it that way, i believe that i believe that it is categorically different, we have never had this effect, we have never had such a common, strong effect as we have now, i can't find any precedent, even, even in the old ukraine , without conditionally speaking, from typical ukraine, we rarely had a situation when, conditionally speaking, palychuna and kyiv, other territories were so united among themselves, now we have something, we have it in a completely different way, it's just that another question is very important to me, whether we can transfer this energy and synergy into something at the end of the war and after the war, whether it can serve as a signal, an impulse for the creation of a new ukraine, reform, sorry for what i'm saying hammered phrases, but it is very important because we we understand that the key conditions for ukraine's continued survival and development are

the carrying out of key reforms that have not yet been carried out, and what history shows about what happened after the wars, it seems to me that after the wars there has not been... such a strong unity in society, on the contrary, defragmentation intensified, even where it did not exist , according to which there is such a threat, but i can probably draw another parallel when we look at the g7, well, the seven that we want to be like, at least to some extent , we all see that during his youth, the state, and ukraine is young state, and this should be understood in the sense that we have things, things, of some young states, all of them, when they became successful before those, they went through a period of... 30-50 years of civil war, revolution and all that. as it is, there is something in the fact that radical changes are created in conditions, in conditions of a radical threat, when there is already a feeling that it cannot be worse , and i have hope, of course, well, maybe hope, you know, it is not the exact word here, but there is a tendency , that ukraine can also benefit

from this period, because we have 30 years already soldiers of the revolution, and this is exactly the occasion, i do not praise the soldiers, i do not praise the war, odevi. but it is very important, but experience shows that reforms begin when the bottom is already very close, when things start to happen, i think that this mechanism can work here, if there are clearly certain forces, political projects that can formalize certain requirements , slogans and a certain practice and have the political will to make these changes, this is a big question, a question mark, but there is one advantage in ukraine, ukraine is a country that is politically very volatile in that sense, we have a regular rotation of the elite, you know, and the fact that the regular rotation of the elite is always a chance that a new elite will come to power, which can really radically change this country, well, but this is again... the same question, and what about the persistence and continuity of some actions, when

each new elite, you know, comes and looks around in surprise, i have observed it many times, i can’t, nothing happened, i know, you probably know, there is a well-known polish phrase like that , it sounds very nice, but it is a slogan of polish politics, and now whores, i'm sorry, i'll say it this way, we got into power, and now we 're going to take advantage of it, poland. may have this, this slogan, but poland had the reform of balcerowicz, which changed the trajectory of the country's development , eh, of course, what can be said that poland did it in a more or less peaceful period, in 823 there was a peaceful revolution, but let's remember what trouble poland was in in 1989, in 1990 , poland fared much worse, much more paler than the soviet union, obviously with ukraine, it was poor ukraine then at the same time, that is why i say, you know, it is important to launch once, run once, and then we will have the same problems. when the poles, you know, say to me, or my friends, why are you leaving the european union, there are problems and everything else, i have a very simple answer, we want to have your problems, because our problems are

of a different order, our problems are security , corruption, poverty, you know, these problems are of a different nature in poland, i want to have these problems, but it must be restarted, we have not yet had a restart, but on the other hand, pre-war poland had very similar problems with the current ukraine, absolutely, because it is a young state, here absolutely, if we talk about breakthroughs, we talk about the level of corruption , you know, if you talk about destabilization, about two polands, this is a copy-paste copy of ukraine after gaining independence, this is not my thesis, for the first time to this tezuv roman shporlyuk, you know, the famous historian professor gardu, who is very fond of polish history, says that you are thinking wrongly about modern ukraine, you will take modern ukraine as modern poland, and you should call ukraine modern, with poland between the wars, because it was one and the same type of state, you know, i think you have read it, he writes in those memoirs that the corruption in the ministry was terrible, everyone

took, everyone took money, he calls out the persons, but he names whether he was this person or someone else, this is very important, that is, these are the real problems of young states, what he writes very well, this one, enrico deto swishi tapital, he says, if you want to understand what ukraine is, the problem of ukraine, look at the united states of america, at the beginning of the 15th century , the same example, the right of the colt and fist, corruption, instability, such and everything else, and what happened, at a certain moment the elite comes to power, which changes these rules, and it is very important , he says, do not look at some secondary things, look at the primary things, the primary is very important, what has to be a restart, there must be a restart, and in order for there to be a restart, there must be a political force that wants to do it, and it is very important, not just wants, but i know how, maybe zelennyassky wants, but i did not see the command of his knowledge. the vision of how it should be restarted is very important here, i think

now is the war, it's time for us to understand clearly what needs to be done, you know, let's say, the same judicial reform, the same educational reform, but not general phrases, but exactly what needs to be done, it's time to work on those specific requirements thank you, mr. yaroslav, this is what i would say, this is a very optimistic ending to our conversation, although we moved to the beginning of the 20th century and saw where we are in the beginning of the 21st, but nevertheless, the results are encouraging, let's hope that they will be like that in ukraine. yaroslav hrytsak, historian, professor of the ukrainian catholic university, was on our air, and i only have to say goodbye to you until our next meetings, wish you victory, a peaceful evening and, of course, stay with espresso, by the way, this is a guarantee of a peaceful evening, dear friends, good luck. oh, there are no potatoes. still, yes, my son, something caught, i remind you, apply dr. tice's comfrey ointment and get back to

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