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congratulations on the broadcast of bbc ukraine, dzaferov is working in the studio in london and for the next 15 minutes we are talking about the tragedy at the airport in dagestan, is the russian government losing control in the region? weekends in russian. in the caucasus , several mass anti-semitic actions took place at once, the largest at the makhachkala airport, where nato broke into the terminal building in search of refugees from israel. the russian authorities say they detained 60 people due to the violation. the pogrom at the magachkali airport is not the first case of anti-semitism protests in the caucasus. earlier in hestan, protesters went to
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a hotel where refugees from israel were allegedly staying. in another russian republic, in kabardino-balkaria, protesters set fire to a jewish center that is still under construction. there were also reports of protests in another republic of karachay-cherkessia, where almost half a thousand people demanded not to let in visitors from israel. but still, the case at the makhachkala airport is considered the biggest in recent times. nato rushed into the terminal building and raided. field in search of refugees from israel from the flight from tel aviv, some came from palestinian flags or anti-semitic posters. russian authorities say that more than 20 people, both civilians and security forces, were injured in the clashes, as well as a reporting flight, but this time there were no jews on board. it was like spreading fake information to incite riots. however, we see that many people in dagestan have pro-palestinian views, they shouted anti-semitic slogans and this crowd behaved
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really aggressively. it is difficult to say whether the protesters represented the views of all a region in which 3 million people live. as we have seen, hundreds, perhaps several thousand people joined the protests, but this is not the majority of the residents of the region, of course. in israel, the events in russia caused outrage. the country's prime minister's office issued a separate statement, noting that israel expects russian law enforcement agencies to ensure the well-being of all israeli citizens and jews. will act decisively against the rioters and against the savage recruitment directed against jews and israelis, and the spokeswoman of the national council adrian watson wrote on twitter that the united states strongly condemns the anti-semitic protests in dagestan. volodymyr zelenskyi also reacted to the pogrom , noting that this is not an isolated case, but part of the widespread culture of hatred towards other peoples in russia, which is promoted by state television, experts and the authorities.
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dagestan, what kind of region is this, the journalist of the financial times, palina ivanova, who covers events in russia, told on the bbc. this is not the only case of anti-semitic riots in the past few days. the majority of the population muslims in dagestan, like many others in the south of russia, in the caucasus. it is also a very disadvantaged region, many mobilized from there for the war in ukraine, and it is also a rather economically depressed region, compared to others. in the past. there they spread various theories about the language, in particular during the covid pandemic and the 5g boom, then there were mass movements, and this sunday we saw an anti-sem riot, regarding the reaction of the local authorities of dagestan, they said that they worked all night. at first, we did not see the reaction of law enforcement agencies and there were even several videos when the security forces almost sided with the protesters, and then they were dispersed, omon arrived at the airport and took him under guard, speaking about the events, the official
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representatives of russia point to the west and ukraine and say that the protesters were incited from abroad, and that this is part of the war against russia, and that this is not a problem of russian society. therefore, the russian authorities blame ukraine for the pogrom in makhachkala. in her statement, the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, maria zakharova, noted that the promptness of statements and of zelenskyi's publications, as well as their content, is a direct indication that informational. the version made by the kyiv special services has a coordinated nature, that is, president zelensky reacted quickly, so this indicates that ukraine is behind the pogrom, this is moscow's version. the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs responded to this, the spokesman of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, oleg nikolenko, wrote about the deep-rooted anti-semitism of the russian elites and society, the ministry of foreign affairs of the srf's accusations against ukraine, involvement in the events in dagestan, attempts
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to transfer the responsibility of the sick head to the healthy one, he said, and with us in communication , political scientist, expert on the security of the caucasus vitaliy kulyk, i congratulate you, i congratulate you. so why does the russian government blame ukraine and the west for the anti-israel protests in dagestan? good day, first of all, is due to the fact that, strictly speaking, this is a signature of its own inability to solve inter-ethnic and inter-confessional problems in russia itself, besides, russia shows that it is turning from a denazifier into a country of anti-semitic pogroms. of course, it cannot be. way the federal center and the local leadership like it, but on the whole i really agree with our mfa and other experts who believe that russia produced anti-semitic sentiments, it actually nurtured and supported them, especially in
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the caucasus, it is clear that putin himself threw in certain anti-semitic messages , which are difficult to consider in any other way than a sanction for a pogrom, therefore the responsibility for what happened and for this almost wave will be felt primarily by the russian leadership, which created the conditions for such manifestations to begin to emerge come back, to the surface, at the roots of the grass in society, at the roots of society, we notice this as experts all the time, because especially in the northern caucasus there is such a symbiosis of certain para-religious... doctrines with the usual conspiracy mixed with anti-semitism, anti-zionism, conspiracy theories , and this cocktail, it also manifests itself in power struggles. dagestan in itself is a specific republic, it is made up of such a patchwork coudra, which consists of
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a place of compact settlement of various ethnic groups, there are more than 100 nationalities and approximately 15 zones of residence of these nationalities, which have different languages ​​and several religious currents are intermingled there, in particular, the majority of dagestan residents are adherents of traditional islam or sufism, and some are salafis, and each of these groups, in each of these ethnic groups and religious groups, there is a significant share of these conspiracy versions, theories, especially among young people who live... in social networks, who may not have read the koran and do not know that there is a legend in traditional islam, the islam of dagestan, that the prophet moses supposedly visited southern dagestan, but they commit pogroms, they believe that they are guilty of this and thus stand in solidarity with the palestinians
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, although, if you ask someone, they can’t very well indicate where the tavestina is located, but nato called the protests in dagestan a manifestation radicalization... of society, in your opinion, are similar protests possible in other regions of russia? yes, they are possible, because , as i have already said, there is a symbiosis of the new religiosity mixed with conspiracies and phobias . regions, in particular in bnguzhet and dagestan, there are significant social and economic problems, there is a whole group of young people who have no future, quotas for moving labor migration to moscow and others there, even neighboring krasnodar or stavropol, they are closed to them, there is no other places how to work for seasonal employment, they have no future, they do not have a quality education, and they become victims of various
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para-religious groups of the islamist variety, which try to aggregate them, or they are used by certain clans for elucidation of... political and other relations, criminal relations among themselves in dagestan itself, pears and so on, so on the surface, as channeling of this, this aggression, which has accumulated in this environment, such pogroms, they can manifest themselves in other reinach too. thank you, thank you, an expert on the security of the caucasus, vitaly kulyk, was in touch with us, and with me in the studio the editor of the russia section of the bbc monitoring service, vitaly shevchenko, i congratulate you. already in the evening , putin commented on the pogroms in makhachkala. russian tv channels are actively discussing this alleged ukrainian footprint in these protests. why do the russian authorities blame ukraine for these protests? how do they explain it? the ukrainian trace and also the western trace, well, this is such
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a favorite technique of both the russian powerful and the russian media. they have been for a year. and for eight months they have been talking about the fact that ukraine needs to be de-nazified, and suddenly in dagestan a crowd of so. hundreds of youths seized the airport looking for jews, this is a loud slap to the kremlin's propaganda, and to be honest, they didn't have enough options, rather than blaming ukraine and the west, but this is a certain, certain sign of both ethical and intellectual support... to kremlin propaganda, but will such statements by russian officials lead to even
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greater incitement of hostility or radicalization of the russian society against ukrainian? frankly, it is difficult for me to imagine how to further radicalize russian society against, against ukraine, this, well, this is an important symptom of putin's russia, where the ideology, the state ideology is largely based on suspicion, dislike and hatred to others, that's why riots on such an ethnic basis, anti-semitic riots, i don't think we should be surprised that the 24-hour propaganda about how the west, how ukrainians, how foreigners in general are trying to destroy, tear russia apart, we shouldn't be surprised that
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this leads to such wild events. in your opinion, do these protests generally destabilize the situation in russia, do they show that the russian government is losing, that it does not control everything in those regions, i think they show. that the state system is built on hatred, on repression, on murders, it is internally unstable, of course, as long as this government has money from oil, from gas, from some other substances that they export, then it is, well, more or less, life-giving, but viable , but putin has already... for a long time been flirting with figures
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that no one can call moderate, both kadyrov and prigozhin, we remember what happened later with prigozhin, that is, it cannot be ruled out that this situation may turn out from the kremlin's control, as was the case with wagner and prigozhin. thank you, editor department of russia in the monitoring service. bbc vitaly shevchenko is with me in the studio, and that's all for today, look for a bigger story on our website bbc.ua and on our social media pages. and we will be on the air again tomorrow at 9 p.m. keep yourselves. and what do you think about lakalut fix?
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political analytics, objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season, exclusive. reports from the hottest points of the front. svoboda life is frank and unbiased. you draw your own conclusions. congratulations. you are watching svobodalai. i'm daria kudimov and i'll tell you more about everything, as of the evening of monday, october 30. explosions were heard in occupied sevastopol today, the local authorities declare the successful work of air defense, and the russian ministry of defense reports eight storm shadow missiles downed. did ukraine really launch missiles and what were they aiming at? the russian army is preparing to attack the avdiyiv coke chemical plant - the institute for the study of war reports, and the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine
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is talking about the resumption of an active offensive by the russian federation near bakhmut and special activity in the kupyansk region. what do these actions of the occupiers show and how can the front develop in the near future? pogroms in makhachkala, statements of the russian authorities about the people of banderiv, who are behind them, and the kremlin's reaction to anti-israeli actions in the regions. will anti-semitic protests from the north caucasus spread to other regions of russia and how will moscow control the situation? at least four explosions were heard in russian-occupied crimea, the correspondent of the radio liberty crimea reality project reports. according to him, smoke was visible in the area of ​​the sevastopol marine plant. at the same time, the head of the russian-controlled city , mykhailo razvazhaev, said that the smoke is a means of camouflage, allegedly used by the russian military. and over sevastopol, according to him, two air targets were shot down. debris
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allegedly fell on the territory of one of the schools on the north side and pasichnaya street in inkerman. meanwhile, the russian ministry of defense announced that eight stormshadow missiles, which ukraine had launched on the peninsula, had been eliminated for their information. fuck yourself. i would like to add that earlier the russian public wrote about a strike on an anti-aircraft missile. in the regiment of the russian air force near the village of olenivka in crimea on the night of october 30. so, according to the astra telegram channel, 17 russian soldiers were wounded. information about the successful destruction of a strategic object of the pppo system in crimea later confirmed in the ukrainian ministry of defense. at the same time, russia did not officially comment on the situation. dmytro potenchuk, captain
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of the third rank and spokesman of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, joins our broadcast. panetro. my greetings, good evening. good evening, we are from ukraine, greetings studio, greetings viewers. i congratulate you, but first of all , perhaps something is already known about today's explosions in occupied sevastopol, and perhaps something is known about the fate of the sevastopol marine plant? in fact, information of this kind always needs confirmation, therefore let's wait for official announcements on this matter, regarding the use of a strategic object of air defense, without relative to the type of systems and associated losses, it should be noted that , of course, such strikes are not carried out on some separate, insignificant object, such as, for example, panthers or something like that, therefore, most likely, we are talking about some systems that have a larger radius of action and
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, accordingly, are more important, this is, of course, a set of measures designed to continue the liberation of the occupied crimea from the russians, mr. dmitry , then please give more details about the explosions in olenivka, because there is already an official confirmation from the general staff , can you tell in more detail what was the target and whether you actually have confirmation about those wounded russian soldiers that the russian media are writing about, again returning to the first question , the information is confirmed now only about the fact that the system was hit and that they are of a strategic level, that is, accordingly, we can conclude from this that these are not some, field systems that are there to cover close, close radius of action or even medium, if we are talking about strategic
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, once again regardless of the specific type of these systems, we can be talking about those that have a long radius of action and, accordingly, have a great importance for the overall construction of the defense forces and, accordingly, a high cost, and am i correct i understand that these statements... the ministry of defense of the russian federation that crimea was attacked with storsheu missiles, that there were allegedly eight of them, they correspond to reality, is it real at all, you know, in fact, in principle, i do not comment on anyone about what is going on in official, so-called media outlets, press services, which can hardly be called press services , for example, we can submit information from our side only 100% verified platforms for promoting narratives
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of propagandistic disinformation, accordingly , there is no point in even commenting in principle, all figures, which they provide, they are usually average, they are taken from the ceiling and are only intended to show the power of the weapon in quotation marks, well, that is, it is always propaganda. ugh. mr. dmitry, is it generally known how the russian authorities are currently occupying the occupied crimea is trying to strengthen its positions and is preparing for a potential counteroffensive by the ukrainian armed forces. as you know, a typical way to consolidate your own power is, of course, the persecution of local , pro-ukrainian activists or simply people who once could participate in actions, or have another position that is different from the position
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of russian propagandists, respectively, creating pressure on society, they're always trying to screw up their power as far as the garrison is concerned then you hear me yes yes we hear you go on please. mr. dmitry can you hear me because we can hear you fine mr. dmitry can you hear me no sorry we are having communication problems mr. dmitry thank you anyway for joining before the broadcast, dmytro pletenchuk, captain of the third rank and spokesman of the naval forces, the armed forces of ukraine, was in direct contact with us. well, then we go to the situation at the front, and our broadcast is joined by roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine from the voices faction, secretary of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence,
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roman, good evening, how can you hear me, good evening, studio, i can hear you well, good, thank you for joining, roman, so a few weeks ago, the russian army actually strengthened such a position of the armed forces near avdiyivka, and here is general syrskyi reports that there is special activity in the kupyansk district, where the russian... are trying to advance in several directions at once, also says that in the bakhmut district they have substantially strengthened their grouping and moved from defense to active actions, which this shows and how can will the front develop in the near future? well, first of all, this indicates that the enemy did not abandon its strategic goals, there were many of them, there was denazification, demilitarization, liberation of the so-called lpr, dnr, the capture of ukraine, yes. many of these goals have not been achieved from the very beginning, thanks to the defense forces of ukraine, but they need some kind of victory, they are now looking for this victory in
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the capture of the administrative borders of the donetsk and luhansk regions, in order to at least say that there are some goals achieved, and these are big strategic goals, for them now, although for such an army, they probably shouldn't be operational ones, but still , the fact that we brought down their offensive potential, the one they had at the beginning, they are trying to do at least something , and they are drawing troops there in order to go to the districts of kupyansk, lyman, i think general syrskyi spoke about these directions, if they... succeed, then this will endanger our groups, in particular, near such cities as slavyansk, kramatorsk, and further there, so it is very important to defend there, and that's it plus it is important for them to withdraw our reserves, this is what concerns from my point of view exactly military goals, uh, what concerns political goals, now we see their activity in avdiivka, from a military point of view we see that they
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many troops were drawn there, and even if we were to imagine that we left avdiivka and the enemy still succeeded in this direction, strategically for them, i do not see any advantages, but politically, we understand that the russian army can say that they released another one, the settlement is, of course, ideal for them it would be to surround us and then create a second mariupol there in order to, but if it is possible even to capture avdiivka, it will be a very important victory for them, because in the last year, even a little more, the russian army has not gained no victories, in fact , and november 11-11 will be a year since ukraine, the defense forces of ukraine, liberated kherson, we remember the retreat of the russian army in the kharkiv region, which they called regrouping, then from
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kherson, when we... they withdrew, and thus, it was another one, they his was called such a departure, but of course it was under pressure from the defense forces of ukraine, and after that they had one victory in russia , let’s say there was a victory, it was a victory in bakhmut, where they killed tens of thousands of criminals, soldiers, various types of mobilized, professional mercenaries, and it was just a victory after all those defeats, this... victory was appropriated by the wagner pmc, which is now being discredited and, in fact, the only victory in russia is now, which lies behind the criminals and in fact discredited by their leader and their staff, those who wanted to do a coup, that's pvk varner, that's why putin and before the elections and in general him, and shoigu and gerasim need some kind of victory, and the victory can
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only come under the name of some mis. if they take 10 km or 20 fields there, no one will recognize it as a victory, but taking some city, some city, including avdiyivka, it can be a political victory, so the enemy suffered high losses there and is still throwing heavy losses there reserves in order to win this victory, because from the very beginning, if you saw avdiivka, she was in such a semi-encirclement, and i think that when they were looking for a place they chose it where there is an opportunity to develop the greatest success, so from my point of view, this is where the political ambitions play a role, for which the russians put thousands of their soldiers in order to bring some victory to his military-political leadership. roman, well, if you say that the potential capture, the possible capture of avdiyivka, it only brings political bonuses for putin, in particular, what about the avdiyiv coke chemical plant, because the institute for the study of war writes that the russian army is preparing to attack the avdiyiv koksakhim and that there are now 40,000
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personnel at their disposal, who are throwing... also additional forces, what is the significance?

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