[000:00:00;00] no, but, well, let's, i don't know where to start, because you've asked quite a lot of questions, let's go with, what do we need, how do we need to work with the united states of america, well, first of all, we've lost a number of time, and well, for example, back in the spring i proposed to the speaker of the ukrainian parliament to prepare visits, let's say, in cooperation with civil society, to various... states, that is, not only to washington, to various states that are the most skeptical, skeptical, which, for example, which, for example, represent one or another, representatives, such radical right, representatives of the republican party, due to the fact that this is a change of mood in the middle of the states, they can

influence the position of this or that congressman, unfortunately, we did not do that, i see that i was there now one trip of a delegation of ukrainian parliamentarians to the united states congress was made, this is obvious, this is obviously not enough, in my opinion, we just need to massively, you know, meet and interact now with our colleagues in congress, well, the question is that the leadership of the verkhovna rada believes that not everyone needs to work in the congress. of the united states, and it's not worth using the experience of those who have it, and who can really, really find the right arguments to use against our colleagues, i'm sorry that we're not operating in the same mode now that we all worked when, uh, when we mobilized as much as possible to obtain the status of a candidate in the european union, because then we

all worked from the president, government officials, led the number of parliamentarians, public organizations, cultural figures, this is exactly what needs to be done urgently now in the united states of america, well, unfortunately, this is not happening, as far as the elections are concerned, in ukraine, as perceived by our colleagues in the european union, you know, and in the european parliament, and representatives, various representatives of the european commission are unequivocally convinced that during martial law, there, according to the laws and constitution of ukraine, it is impossible to carry them out, besides, they emphasize that there are clear basic rules, bdipl ob' there is, regarding transparency, democracy, the election process, those countries that are part of the organization for security cooperation in europe, and also

are similar to... the demands of the council of europe regarding the very process of democracy, the electoral process, and they all realize that ukraine during the martial law, it will not be able to ensure compliance with these rules, accordingly, the elections cannot, well, cannot then be recognized as democratic and, well , objective, let's say the results of these elections, not to mention all the obstacles regarding the involvement of all our protectors, then our citizens who are close to the demarcation line, and who are outside the border of ukraine, so at the moment, well, there is no institution, nor, you know, nor political force in the european union, nor even countries in the european union that would insist that ukraine

hold elections during martial law, and finally, ms. ivanna, the israeli situation, and how well we vote in the united nations, we understand that we are talking about symbolic votes, there the united states votes in support of the state of israel, we somehow try to maintain this or that neutrality, this is reflected in the appropriate way in jerusalem, and you know, this is some kind of... we already have this for a long time, ah, the amazing tradition of ukrainian diplomacy, which is trying to sit now on two chairs, at the same time trying not to cause irritation in those countries of the arab world that are closely watching the position of ukraine, at the same time cannot take

a position that would clearly declare, despite everything... because ukraine made all political statements clearly, took the side of israel, and of course , you know, when we demand from the world that our war is... black and white and we demand to take a position on the side of good, then i would like ukraine was also better able to clearly separate the processes taking place in the world, to clearly see who attacked whom, and to clearly see that there, you know, propaganda tools made it possible that some leaders of certain regions there... terrorists are now called something there, well, i don't know, fighters, fighters for some rights, and we need to understand that today russia is cooperating with those who

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of the tv channel is in full swing, we are modern design and sound, even more interesting programs and original projects. there was a garrison of occupiers honed cut off from the main forces and destroyed. they will try their own. our values ​​and ukrainian point of view remain unchanged. you interrogate prisoners, that's right, including what, what other duties do you have, what can you say, probably nothing more, what's your name? malanov oleksandrovych, where are you from, i am from the samur region, blagoveshchenska city, how old are you, 35 years old. the war of 2014

caught me when i was still at school, then i was in the senior classes of the school, at that time it was such an event that really affected me personally, and it influenced the formation of personality and worldview, from the events of the maidan to the occupation of crimea, i remember very well the spring of 2014 and what people initially came to the maidan for, a protest for democracy, european values, and it was really difficult to stand up here in donbas, there was a lot about the ukrainian population, but there was very strong pressure, even from your pro-russian peers, it is better, but then, precisely in 2014, it strongly influenced

the views, and that in turn already influenced the decision to join the ranks of the armed forces ukraine, you like to communicate with captured russians, yes, i am interested in it, and you do not feel any kind of negativity at the same time. information bubble, you get into theirs, and you actually have to step away from it a little, but over time you acquire the skills so that it does not have a negative effect on you, how did you manage to get out of it in the first place?

there are no special techniques and skills here, and it does not cause a particular depression or desire to drink three days after that, you just never forget who is sitting in front of you, enemies are sitting in front of you who could kill you at any moment, what were you sitting for? i can fully describe the whole story. i worked as an installer of cellular communications and satellite antennas, i had a good salary, it turns out that a friend asked me to borrow money from an acquaintance, 15 million rubles, i borrowed from him, the terms of return were discussed, the terms passed while i was on a business trip, i returned on a business trip,

that in order to collect money, he began to twist me, that later, later, later, i i specifically learned from a friend that he had money to give me, i went to him, eh, i came to him, he was intoxicated, started threatening me with a pistol, brandishing it, in the end it turned out in a shuffle that i hit him knife into the oven. as a result of murder, i take my money, they charge me with a robbery attack, with the pretext of poor health, which resulted in death, that is , two articles, 105, part two and 162 part four, so in the end, in the twenty-second year, they give me 20 years of imprisonment

strict regime in the construction column. about how they got to the front, what life was like in russia, what life was like at the front. what was their motivation to fight and what changes did they undergo even after the war continued, that is, the attitude of the combatants to the war, they are also interesting to show, and to reach the russian public, in particular, to make them think about what is happening here before she will get to the front, how did you get to the front from prison? representatives

of the ministry of defense came, that is, through the administration, not personally. called, and through the administration of the correctional colony, they told them, we were released by the administration, made an offer that there is an opportunity to go - to, as it was then, i thought, svo, to the so-called special military operation, and it will serve for six months, and after six months to leave with a clean slate, initially we had... in the camp we signed a non-disclosure agreement, that is, non -disclosure of what happens during a special military operation, non-disclosure of what we once sat, er, then, when we

were already brought to rostov, to the airport, we they signed a contract for six months, so they signed an agreement, such an agreement, in which it was written that after six months you undertake to conclude another contract, well, you are in a voluntary and compulsory order, that is, you want it, you don't want it, but you have to close it after another six months a contract is at least, well, in any case, they are very different from each other, there are different categories, contract workers, convicts, they are all different, they tell different stories, they have different motivations, different stories of getting into the war, with convicts it is more interesting than to work with everyone else, mostly the motivation, according to their own words

, to be released as soon as possible, the house of the ministry of defense promises a contract for six months, all social benefits, all social guarantees, cancellation of the term they were serving. guilt before society, that they are cleansed, they sign a contract with such desire, they are promised that they will sit somewhere on the third line or, in general, will be engaged in construction in the occupied territories, that is why they agree, many of these prisoners, it is a curtain z not went to wagner first, because wagner was doing his own thing advertising directly... preparing them for war, saying that you will fight, you are stormtroopers, there is no such thing in a storm, they are fooled en masse, they are promised the rear or some jobs, they go for it, and when they come to war, they

fall into the harsh reality, when they plug the most dangerous areas, the trenches, they are not properly organized, you understood that you were used as cannon fodder, yes, i understood it a long time ago, even before the captivity, i understood that we were being used, even though i did not stay for such a long time, as it were even after school, well, i spent a little time on a combat mission, i was only on one, which took me prisoner. but nevertheless, because they went on combat missions with those with whom you came from our company, from the second company of our battalion, and when they were already sent, then i already began to understand that when they were sent to the very

front, they sent the same kind of hell somewhere very close was tell interesting stories about the prisoners who were captured at that time, i can remember there was one, a russian officer, an officer in a private position, he was a senior a lieutenant, and he was sent as an ordinary rifleman to the rifle division , there was simply no artillery. these gunners, they were transferred to riflemen, and the fact that he is an officer, he probably did not have very good qualities in front of the commanders, but that is not the point, he was running away from the position after the mobilization was already here. in the donbass nine times, has nine attempts in the run, in fact, many russians try

to flee from the position, they catch them, they have an attempt to catch them at the checkpoint, in the city, and here he was caught nine times, his they threw him into a pit, this is one of those measures to fight against fugitives, they starve him in the pit for several days, beat him with batons, take him to the boarding house, this is another such interesting one. a widespread way of fighting is taken to a landing site, there they are beaten and simulated shooting , they load a machine gun, put it to their head and say that they are going to shoot them, and then they let them go and say, if you do that again, then now for sure, and once this prisoner and several others from his unit who tried to escape from the kombatkin puddle, and what is interesting, the kombat was from the so-called dnr, and these were russian mobilized mobilizations. he threw them into a puddle, forced them to swim through the puddle, and fired a machine gun into

the ground. the most common response from the mobilized is that we were forced, caught and there was no way to escape, and they complain about how they are actually being caught by the military, sometimes they even remove people from armor at enterprises. someone had a case, an acquaintance knew one mobilized from the far east. he had a girlfriend who worked in the army, she wrote to him one fine day on a day off: where are you? he tells her: but i'm here now the sisters are visiting, in an hour the army will come to the address, they will immediately take him to the bus to the division training ground, do you hope for an exchange? i hope, of course, i already have a great desire, but now there is no such thing. well, i still hope, because i have relatives there, i have a daughter there, my wife stayed there, i hope that after

the exchange they will not send me back there anymore, they contacted their relatives to inform that their son in this case was in captivity, and immediately several mothers answered that they could not recognize their son, that they could not to believe that this is their son, and one of them replied with such a phrase , she said, "god gave" that is, she decided that her son died, and it was not her son, and the other prisoners spread this phrase among themselves, they were in such a shock, they were several days later they discussed everything, they could not get away from the fact that the mother of another captive said that, and then the mother of another captive also said, i don’t know you, you are not my son, i can’t explain it, where does it come from, russian mothers realistically... this is happening, they don't believe their children are in captivity and they are

they see them, and they literally renounce them, i have no explanation for this, whether the decision of the rashists to go to war is greatly influenced by the russian propaganda and narratives that are used by the russian army, so definitely, their propaganda is strong and has been for many years. form their wrong views, and many people come here and think, well, yes, there will now be nato troops, nazis , literally all the prisoners know about this, they have all heard the propaganda, they are told this even here in the units, but when they see the realities of war ,

how cruel she really is and starts to them it turns out that no one in particular was waiting for them, and no one called them here, in ukraine before the war they only knew what we had, well , what was shown on tv was what you listen to, there is someone somewhere on the internet i read something somewhere that peaceful citizens are walking here, peaceful cities are being bombed, that is , the ukrainian military, this was all shown on our television, every day, that is , it was shown on the news, how our russian military is advancing and liberating territories , that is, which... they bomb, capture the ukrainian military, which they want will separate from ukraine, i asked if

they even believe that they can win. objectively, they have no faith in victory, they understand that they will not be able to do anything here, and besides, they do not understand that this has already become a meme of the entire svo, such a phrase, they do not know the goals of the so-called svo, i will be at home they will only tell the truth, that it is russia's fault, and that it is attacking, this is some kind of special military operation, this is a full-scale war with ukraine, that russia is the aggressor in this war. no, she bombs peaceful territories and does not liberate them, as they say there donetsk and luhansk oblasts are bombed territories further in western ukraine, that's kiev lviv oblast, where peaceful residents

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