verdict literally in a few moments, let's watch together. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. who insulted zelenskyi in the west. sist will meet with biden in san francisco and north korea. against ukraine today in the program is a big blow to the image of ukraine, how bad the article in time is and how the russian-ukrainian war is perceived in the world. perepetia in the us regarding aid to ukraine, what sentiment prevails and what should be expected next? yemen vs. israel, like new escalation will affect the middle east and europe.

we are talking about this and other things today for the next hour with our guest diplomat and politician valery chaly. however, before starting our long conversation with the ukrainian diplomat, i suggest watching a video of the zaporizhzhia region, on which the column of the first battalion of the 1251st motorized rifle regiment from chuvashia was destroyed. the column came under attack by hymars missiles, up to 120 chuvash were killed, let's see how the armed forces of ukraine are working against the russian invaders.

where is the damn associate professor? kabika where, that's all, in a word , in chuvashia, so far they are keeping quiet about this tragedy, and the fact that more than 100 chuvash people who went to fight in ukraine will return there in packages to

their homeland. friends, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our pages on these platforms, and also take part in our survey. today , we on youtube ask you about what problems besides the war bother you the most, options for answers, corruption, low salaries and pensions, high utility tariffs, risks of non-return of ukrainians from abroad. your option, please write in the comments under this video, and of course, you can leave your questions to valery challom, during the program we will ask the best questions that you leave in the comments under this video, to valery challom, i hope he will give you answer to all questions. so, we have a politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in 2015, 2019, valery chaly. mr. valery,

i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. valery, for the third day, the ukrainian media is dissecting, simply for quotes, the material of the american magazine, which was written by the american journalist simon schuster. the journalist tells about the current stage of the russian-ukrainian war, that ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi allegedly feels betrayed now. partners, and due to a slow counteroffensive , one general responsible for him and one of the ministers is expected to be fired, which means publication in such a respected to an american magazine of exactly this type of text and tone, and that this material says about ukraine, about the president and about our war. in fact, there is a lot of discussion, in ukraine, on

social networks, i haven't read everything, and therefore i will repeat what i said from the very beginning, as soon as i got acquainted with this material, eh, apparently it is now working against. of ukraine, despite the fact that there is a positive in the fact that it attracts attention, once again in such a publication as time, there were such statements that this is not such a publication has already become popular, as before, nothing like that, he has popularity , i will say this, even if they published one cover, all the same to this magazine a lot of attention, which they earned with many hands of activity, and it is clear that there were different people on these covers, and stalin , and putin, by the way, also in his time, so it is not important here in this respect, it is important how it is presented, that is, it is generally presented, well, in a positive way, regarding the president of ukraine, but the entire

text that follows, and even so, as signed on the cover itself, it creates a picture that we will now have to contribute to, i will say this, at least our images in information work both in the united states and around the world. i have already talked with many of my acquaintances abroad in different countries, they perceive this material in the following way, and they, by the way , many noted that it is true, that this is what they said and now confirmed once again about the great corruption in ukraine , about the fact that there is no clear vision of a victory plan there, by the way, i can say that they don't really have this... plan, even though stopping terrorism and world bandits is a joint task, not only ukrainian, and well, the third point, which obviously draws attention, is such

mixed evaluations in the very center of decision-making in ukraine, because we know that the office of the president is also the headquarters of the supreme commander now and therefore... all those people most of them involved making important decisions during the war. therefore, such statements as that some people doubt our victory, well, such nameless, there, as it were, sources, well, caused abroad only the confidence that it is necessary to talk about some plans b, c, there and everything else, so in general unfavorable, why this happened, it is separate. history, i think that whoever is doing this and has created the conditions of maximum support for the author of the publication, by the way, the author of the publication can just be satisfied, uh, simon schuster is now, what is called, promoting his

book, which i understand, he has already fully received all the inside information he needs from the president's office, he is still announcing it now, that as a person most admitted to all the secrets of ukraine and who was there from the first days of the war, it is true, he was there not only from the first days war, by the way, he changed his opinion somewhat from those articles at the time, when he spoke about the fact that fascists are on the maidan in ukraine and about azov, that it is a terrorist organization that has spread there through the whole world, by the way, well, i don’t believe in the fact that a person can so...' change his views simply to the radically opposite. nevertheless, his previous publications in this magazine were favorable for ukraine, positive for ukraine. we remember these publications also with the president on the cover, but the ukrainian people were also there. in this issue of the ukrainian people,

the armed forces of ukraine, the confidence of the armed forces and the defense forces in victory is completely absent. behind the scenes information provided. is today's leader of our group in ukraine and, in principle, because of this, has a distorted idea of ​​what kind of mood prevails in ukraine in general, so i think that this is not a disaster, it must be corrected through the same publications and in that magazine, i don’t think that simon shuster will go for it yet, and his book, by the way, i’ll tell you, maybe it will interest you, er... well, until recently , mr. rudenko’s book about zelenskyi’s biography was in greater demand in the united states, let's say it cost more. now, i looked, literally in a week, it may be bad for you, information, but this is such

a situation, such is the real world, it was added to the price, that is, before the order, so you see, it is all combined, and the author’s desire to promote... his the topic and the relevance of this topic in the world now, and the last thing , i think that this material has passed, passed through the editorial office there, obviously, and in it... notes related to certain moods that are currently present in a certain group in usa, in the world, and this is the greatest danger, we must, react , do, it would be desirable to have another article in time, preferably with other authors, and it would also be desirable in other publications to give a broader picture of our common fight against terrorism, against the next , well, let's go... so openly promoting up to the third world, regional conflicts, therefore, in principle, i

think in ukraine that we will not discuss that this publication was received in ukraine, in ukraine it is just a discussion due to the fact that our journalists, as well as foreign ones they do not allow behind-the-scenes decision-making in the president's office, or even the position of the commander-in-chief, and that is why this impression is parallel to parallel. reality, yes, that is, we who are engaged in these matters, in principle it is not surprising for us, but for the general public, when there are wide discussions of this material, i was actually surprised, i see people are listening, even the recordings already, of this article in ukrainian will be discussed, that is, for us it is like a cold shower, it is true, and probably, well, it can play a positive role in ukraine in my opinion. if it is correct to conclude, well, my personal impression, mr. valery, about

this publication, i will share, i will allow myself to share as a journalist, you understand, this publication gives journalists more information about what is happening in ukraine, inside ukraine, inside the government and inside perception by the authorities of the future and the present, and this does not give the only telethon that is in ukraine, i.e.... these are two different pictures that are difficult to combine, or let's say, they can, well, give a three-dimensional view of what happening, al, but they don't give questions for answers to the main questions, and why we don't hear about this, why they don't communicate about us with society in the same way as the president's office, the unnamed advisers there communicated with simon schuster, who, as you rightly said, prepared a book and it is already called this book struggle is here

volodymyr zelensky war in ukraine is already pre-ordered and in english can also be ordered in ukraine and here too the question is very big about what they wanted from this journalist, i.e. they perceived time as the only impression telethon, and simon shuster, like dimu komarov, because what they told him and how they shared all these insights with him. the impression was that they expected a necessarily positive result, and of course, the cover of the magazine as it was last year, and not as it was this year, that is, there is dissonance in this as well, just to me it seems that the president's office does not lack the power of the word, which is carried by american journalists and this magazine, even more so, on the eve of the hearing in the senate and in the congress. of the allocation law money for an additional 105 billion for israel and

ukraine. how do you perceive it, that this magazine is published at such an important time and, in principle, a conversation begins about the fact that, well , let's now discuss the victory plan for ukraine and this one, what is it in this plan, what does it consist of? well, to conclude, i will say that it is really not so... simple, this is a task of communication, information work, it should be done professionally, and yes, it was like some kind of marathon, with one edition, with all the trust in it, and to the author, but western media don't work like that, that is, they have absolutely their approaches, and what we have now, well, we feel censorship, obviously, military censorship, military censorship, it exists.

but in a strange way, other censorship has been more prevalent in our country lately, so the signal is that it is necessary to draw conclusions, to give more access to information to ukrainian journalists, as the americans, by the way, did during all their campaigns of foreign military companies there, that is, in iraq and in afghanistan, and they continue to do so, you need to trust your own more, this is the first, and secondly, anyone cannot be trusted that it will always be the same the very... line , well, for example, in his time, academician kurchato led in the soviet union, there nuclear projects on the peaceful atom, as it was called, and the chernobyl station... the reactor, which he defended, that it was the best in the world, and nothing can ever happen to him, he exploded, then, well , these are historical parallels, but this must be taken into account, and i see a lot of such decisions, such as the first time, which is called, in principle, a group of people, who are professionals, many

of them in the field of e-communication, well, in show business, of course, but none the less, and the conclusion that should be made is one more, i do not support the position that everyone there should be held accountable for what they said, it is clear that anonymity is yes, for us it is anonymity, and he has all the records, who what said, and believe me, these records will not only be with him, therefore, in principle, this is only the beginning, we will still see a lot of insights, we need to prepare for this, the next... months, some people have already said this publicly , well, for example, there is myroslava gangadze, who knows how to be a journalist, and i know how to be the head of an office or a bureau the european voice of america, she also wrote that there will be more, so insiders will appear in ukraine, unfortunately in western publications, this is not very correct, and those people , after all, who, well, very frankly

do not speak ukrainian , experts do not meet, they do not speak with ukrainian groups of influence, business and others, but they speak so frankly, to the point, i will tell you, on the point, there are no secrets, no, there are no secrets, there is simply a completely wrong positioning in conditions of war, and this harms very seriously, on the one hand, from everyone they require, as much as possible, faith, support, positive thinking and no criticism, and on the other hand... it enters from the back door, and it will be like that, it does not happen that it will always be without changes, therefore, one must draw conclusions about communication work, information work, but rather the approaches themselves, in those key offices in ukraine, on which victory depends, so, well, i think, a lot of conclusions

were drawn, journalists, looked carefully, experts looked carefully, many conclusions, but one conclusion, is it not possible to do so , as before, and such a conclusion is made not only in us, such conclusions are drawn from the enemy, there are changes even in propaganda work , there are even certain nuances that i see are now appearing more freely, well, so to speak, under control, but more such pluralistic or let's say multiple assessments from different points of view of the situation , and we have... all the more so it should be done today, you rightly said that it came out just as the same topics are being discussed now in the us congress on providing financial assistance to ukraine, and i do not think that this is a special issue , it's obvious that it's not on purpose, it is coincided, and in general the whole of recent years, this is 2014 for us, at least a war, and

constant, constant tension, including that every moment must be monitored, and now... well, we must compensate for it with something as much as possible, there are problems, serious consideration of issues for the next financial year on armaments, on financial aid, they will be resolved, i am sure of it, but how they will be resolved and with what amounts of funding for ukraine, how quickly, all this very much affects the war, the front, that is, reliable. .. informative, communication, development of different solutions, new ideas, overcoming, well, if there is such fatigue of those who make decisions, i understand them, it is not easy, let's be honest, not easy despite what people often criticize, but not just now and

in key government offices, not just to volodymyr zelennya, but it will be easier if we finally decide that it is not only for the whole country to fight, but also that it should be done together, and not somehow personified or alone, as written in this material , in order to complete this topic, because it really turned out to be so controversial and debatable in ukraine, we will show a small fragment, what the secretary of the national security and defense council, oleksiy danilov, said about this whole situation with time magazine, he called. law enforcement officers to deal with anonymous people from the office of the president of ukraine. let's hear what he said. at every stake meeting, the president pays maximum attention. those problems, those events , those news that are directly from the front, because all the representatives of the highest military and political

leadership of our country, and to tell that there is someone, something, in a hurry, or as it is said, let's say, came and left, well, it's something in general, and some strange things, it's firstly, secondly, i don't understand where the author deals with such things, you know, to me... anonymity, anonymity, it raises a lot of questions, if you have any position, if you think that our country cannot win, then you have no right to be near our of the president, this hypocrisy, let's say anonymity, it does enormous damage, first of all, to our country, and i would think that our, our bodies should give an answer, what kind of anonymous people are these, who do not believe in our victory, but are next to the president, the most important question is who is with the president, although, although in this situation, it is obviously necessary to talk about the fact that, how , how society in general talks about and what it is about, this is also a very big question, at that time, at that time, when oleksiy danilov

was commenting on the ukrainian media poem to ukrainian truth, this publication in time , in the senate, in the senate appropriations committee, a meeting was held regarding the financial support of... the states of america and israel and what lloyd osin, the secretary of defense of the united states of america, said, he said that without the financial support of the united states and nato, the ukrainians may lose the war, that is, he is talking about possible loss of the war, if there is no help, let's listen to austin. i can guarantee that putin will succeed without our support. if we knock the ground out from under them now, putin will become. even stronger and will succeed in what he wants in the hobby sovereign territory of its neighbor. i think that if putin succeeds, he will not stop

at ukraine. if you're a baltic country, you think i'm next, and you know, i have no doubt that sooner or later he'll challenge nato and we'll be in a shootout. mr. valery, who is he trying to convince, who still does not quite understand in the united states of america. why is the money given, why are such allocations going to the defense of ukraine? by the way, please pay attention, these are quite frank speeches, such as these in the open, with the door open, i listened, this is a committee appropriations, the door was opened for the congress, for the public, that is, there were absolutely, well, very specific statements and answers. and it was available, but it is not available to us in ukraine, there are no committee hearings in the parliament, we do not see the parliament at all, well, how can this be allowed,

america is also not in a simple situation, when they will tell me that we have a war and we must close everything, this is only said by those who do not know how to work in communications during the war, you do not know how to work, then go from those positions and give it to others, you do not know how to... do make the parliament more accessible and hold parliamentary hearings, then get out of here, there is no need for such and such work, because what, what, how much can be said about this, everyone has been changing their approaches for a long time and it is not possible to draw any conclusions, so who are they turning to? of course, they are now appealing to those who will make decisions on the allocation of funds, and it is very good that for us. in many ways, this work is done precisely by lloyd austin, we can only thank anthony blinkin and those who, well , joseph biden, who made such a speech

very determined, that in principle she did not leave any doubts about not only the support of ukraine, but the answer to putin's next ultimatum, that is, i think that these speeches still appear in the american media, and these arguments that the question support of ukraine or israel, now it is so, because the focus of attention has also shifted to israel, this is a matter of national security of the united states of america, it is true, that is, in this case, the national interests in the security sphere of the united states and ukraine completely coincide with the stopping of russian aggressive actions and in that , so that russia does not win, which i cannot fully understand, i understand that these arguments work in the united states, but i do not disagree with the thesis that without the united states, ukraine will not win, that is, the matter is not different, the united states

provides critical assistance not only in the field of military more than 40 billion, but also financial support and not only the usa, well, it could be said more broadly, that is, it is not only the united states, it is the european union, it is countries such as japan, south korea, it is canada, it these are many countries that help us, and themselves, and help themselves, so in principles in principle, these arguments are more on the american citizens, on the american legislators, in order to achieve, to achieve now the allocation of funds for the next whole year, so that there are no longer any opportunities in the political turbulence to somehow knock down the choice made by the administration of the united states of america, in support of

of ukraine, in order to, well, win the war, of course here... many questions may arise , what is victory, well, in principle, i think that according to our approach, the formula of peace, which is the formula of victory, is already long time ago got acquainted with it, that is, our position is generally clear, and i hope that such frank, convincing, professional speeches of key officials, high-ranking officials of the usa, they will contribute to the passage of... financial assistance to ukraine. you have already mentioned mr. valery, pronton blinken, the secretary of state of the united states of america, who also spoke to the congress during the hearings, and he said about the clear connection between the wars in ukraine and the gas sector, let's hear what blimkin said. military conflicts in ukraine and the middle east have a clear connection, because we have cut off russia's traditional

means of supply. it is increasingly turning to iran for help. in response, moscow supplies iran with increasingly advanced military technologies that pose a threat to israel's security. allowing russia to succeed with iran's support will embolden both moscow and tehran. during all the time that has passed since october 7, 2023, the day of the hamas attack on israel, we have seen russia try to get back into international politics and putin , including that he tried in some way, to show himself there as a kind of negotiator, a person who can resolve this conflict, as they think the exchange is probably for something , how would you describe it now, what place russia occupies in the middle east

conflict and whether it can from... ' a greater role, well, for example, in order to inflame the arab-israeli conflict and create a greater zone of tension in the middle east? they do it, actually their approach is to create conflict first, then if they reinforce it with their no, no, like them they want, covered by some actions, well, for example, i have no doubt that the hamas terrorists are not themselves... they have mastered how to operate new systems, well, the same drones that they used, that is , this attack was carried out, despite the fact that it maybe not, well, really not the kind of war, and not the means that russia is using against ukraine, the most modern and everything they have, but hamas did it from the air, from the water and from the land, and it was noticed , that is, they

were definitely trained... militants, trained terrorists, where they could be trained, we saw attacks where the american bases in syria took place, for example, and who was operating in syria at that time, you will be told the graves of 200 vagnelev soldiers who were covered by an american strike in 2018, when they went to the american protected, the object is protected, although there there were very few americans at this facility, but they called for help and this... just slapped all these 200 fighters, that is, well , you can either call them mercenaries or terrorists, depending on the task they are performing, so it is clear that and russia and iran are all involved, in such a group of countries, i would also expand at the expense of north korea, which provided according to the data, now those who are at least in the state declare, with reference to