[000:00:00;00] these were precisely trained militants, trained terrorists, where they could be trained, we saw attacks where the american base in syria took place, for example, and who was operating in syria at that time, the graves of 200 wagnerites who were covered by the american strike in 2018 will tell you the year when they went to the american protected object, although there were very few americans at this object, but they asked for help and all these 200 militants simply slapped it, that is, you can either call them mercenaries or terrorists, depending from the tasks they perform, so it is clear that both russia and iran are involved , in such a group of countries, i would also expand at the expense of north korea, which provided, according to the data, now those that

at least in the state declare, with reference to office spokesmen of the south korean government intelligence that a million, a million shells have now been provided by russia, north korea, that is, it's all interconnected, it's all coordinated, and how else can you say that russia is not doing this, if they accept hamas terrorists , that is, and right next to it, the deputy the minister of legal affairs of iran, what about you, what other picture do you need to see the complete coordination of terrorist actions. iran and moscow, that is, the kremlin, it's obvious, well , in this case, the ministry of legal affairs is also involved, what are their opportunities? well, in short, russia's capabilities are incomparable to what they have been using until now, these are the capabilities of the soviet union. and now they mainly trade their own, the kind of technology that they have

inherited in many ways, but they are now from... are given to such pariah countries or terrorist groups in exchange for the fact that they will put pressure on the united states, creating such chaos, that is, and russia will offer some of their own, as you rightly said, well , this is strange, it sounds funny mediation services, but, yes, they do that, and putin , you remember, invited joseph biden there for pancakes, with tea, well, it was by decree, that's how it was done and he got a response. but nevertheless, they have, they have leverage because of the mess they made in syria, and they have influence there, the americans still have their military in syria, just as they still remain in afghanistan, that is, it is a very complex regional situation, and the likelihood of a regional conflict, in this case, either israeli-palestinian or more broadly

israeli-arab, which will be really a regional conflict, it's, well, it's there, and it changes every week, depending on the steps that all the players involved in this situation take, and i think there was a point where i would estimate even there 40 percent, the possibility of regional war, now it has decreased a little, two aircraft carriers have arrived, two aircraft attack groups, a lot of constant work is being done, well, actually, china now wants to meet with the leader of the united states, xi jinping joseph biden, that is , all this so far reduces such pressure a little, but unfortunately, this possibility remains, i will tell you, moreover, russia has not stopped in search of creating another point to undermine it from the middle, they are trying to do it in africa, in particular, the very difficult

situation in sudan. and the same thing they do in the country to which they supply weapons, and these weapons are gladly accepted, well, let's not ignore and it is very important, this is precisely south east asia, and the south china sea, that is, a very important region, uh, there is a very such, well, mutual ping-pong with statements of south korea, north korea, and i... i think that the great desire of this, i, well, it is rightly said that this is the news of evil, in fact, you can add a couple of countries to it, but they are already defined in america, let's say, as a country that sponsors terrorism, everyone knows them things, it would be necessary to do something similar in ukraine as well, er, we still maintain even diplomatic relations with iran there, despite the fact that their drones, their

productions and those that they... provided er , not just a franchise, they themselves helped the russians to build the plant, that is, from drones, that is, all of this, well, you have to react to it, you have to react to it. i understand that you have to do everything in time so that it affects the situation, there are moments when you missed and your diplomatic actions will not affect anything, but then you don’t need to miss moments to still influence something, now there is the issue of russia providing technology to both north korea and iran , iran, by the way, surprisingly, now takes the chairmanship of the committee in the un human rights council, where will russia go they didn't let him in, and iran takes his head there. and one more point, these missile technologies that iran has, they are also dangerous, well, that is, the knot is so twisted not only in the middle east, now the world

is moving very rapidly, it is divided into two parts, no longer according to the geographical principle, but precisely according to the principle , whether from the country are ready to support rules that have been agreed upon for many decades, and the un charter. carry out, whether countries want to undermine this order from the middle in order to impose their model , which is already declared, their model of the world, in this model, you, without difference, are you a terrorist or you eat people in the literal sense of the word, there are leaders like that in some countries, and it's not only samosas , as it turned out, they still remain like that, and sorry, not samosas, well , you know better, examples for the world, so i think that this news, it's just like that , well to put it this way, dictatorial authoritarian regimes and regimes that still obey the rules and international law,

but now this struggle is unfolding right before our eyes, on everyone, in all directions, and in the un, and in various organizations, and on the main in the struggle of the cyber war, in which north korea, iran, and russia take a very active part, this is a war that is invisible to us, but this war can be called a world war, it unfolded very quickly, attacks and counterattacks are constantly occurring, and in this war many countries are already involved, well, informative, informative, also, counter-information and information measures, all this is very actively used now, so i see that our common defense and victory can be built already at this stage only by overcoming not only russia alone, namely the intentions of all these countries,

to destroy the world and bring us into a mess, and that is why russia's war with ukraine is de facto turning into a world war in the understanding of these players, i would say, it is not the third world war, but the dimension of the involvement of various players is such, and this must also be constantly said, to us it is very important that this perceived as joint actions, not only ukrainian, we must be together now we are on the front line, on the first line of this struggle, that is why this commonality and the fact that helping ukraine is helping ourselves, it should be a key narrative in today's world information space, for what we have... fight, and here is the question of the package with israel shared by taiwan, and here is the question of joint actions on world platforms, that is , it is obvious what narrative should be heard now, for me it is obvious, it is the withdrawal of the war from

ukraine's one-man confrontation against russian aggression on a global level to overcome this global crisis, at least now, which can lead to at least regional military conflicts that destabilize the world. republican senator mitch mcconnell has already spoken about the vision of evil, and after that, the chinese leader sent a greeting card or a greeting letter to the participants of the annual gala dinner of the national committee on us-china relations. and xijin pin wrote in this postcard that it is necessary to establish the correct path of mutual understanding, have. we must be critical to global peace and development, and to the future of humanity, should this be seen as a response to chinese leader mitch mcconnell and the americans who say that the new gospel of evil

is china, russia and iran? well, my impression is that despite the fact that the rivalry with china is the main focus of the usa, and that there will be conflicts and difficult situations, i have no doubt, but still, for today, neither china is not yet ready for such conflicts, neither the usa nor they want...' such conflicts and are still strong enough to counteract it, that is why such a situation is quite interesting, there is a desire for a statement, some strategies, yes, basically the struggle of strategies is going on, everyone understands that if the world goes as it is now, then it cannot be avoided because a few years there, well a few - this, i think, is still the fact that china has defined its strategy somewhere until 2035 . to be militarily ready

for such a rivalry with the usa, in 2027 militarily, to take control of taiwan, well, at least, to be ready to different means, everyone knows this, and that is why the usa, in this sense, as the main rival , advocates for world, global leadership, in relation to us, i, i do not count china among all the evils, i just see that china is definitely... . now contributes, obviously contributes to putin, contributed until recently, and it is enough not to supply weapons, enough is the political, serious support that russia has from china, it is there, no matter what it says, china talks about its specifics for establishing peace , but sorry, the month of china's same position as the us,

and there will be no russian aggression, i can prove it on my fingers, why yes , it will not happen right away, but china does not want this, it just wants to weaken the united states, but nevertheless, i emphasize once again that it is in the tactical interests of china to find now the united states of understanding, at least in the economy, and they want to, they don't even hide it anymore, they want to divide the world, but there is a part of the world where china has its own interests. and here is where the usa is with its allies, it was unambiguously said so even before the meeting in san francisco, we will see its results, the usa is not the country that will go to the division of the world , now in such categories, there is no thinking, but that some compromises can be reached at this meeting, maybe if it ends in a hard misunderstanding of each other, it will be bad for everyone, so china is just like a country that is such

a beneficiary, yes, it is in some ways such a suzerain for its vassals, russia and iran, they understand that they are no longer players, well, iran still wants to develop, but russia is already falling down, it is obvious to china, china does not want to losers to be around, but he wants to use russia for his own, anti-american purposes, so let's see the meeting, i really hope that we will get some new result and , after all, a more, well, more favorable position for peace, for the whole world, china , what arguments will the usa have, they have arguments, these are huge chinese exports to the united states, these are new technologies, without which china will not really achieve its military capabilities, because china is now in a complex, quite complex

economy. situations when he actually could the stock market collapsed and stock exchanges were showing the lowest shares since 19, and in principle now the central bank even gave orders, well which are completely unmarketable in order to keep the situation under control, so investors went out to, if there are new numbers, but i saw 7.5 billion recently live. investments, i.e. those who intend to, who planned to invest there have decreased, therefore, china has an economic interest, but the strategic, global interests will remain exactly the same, well, for us , it is important for ukraine that now, because you know, globally, strategically, in 15 years, that's all, you can talk, but for a country that loses people every day and civilians are simply killed by rockets, it is necessary from now, what is now in the coming weeks, months,

this is what interests us most of all, and here the result of the meeting in san francisco, i would say, it will not be in the fields, apec, as i do not like the word in the fields in general, in general, this summit will actually be an addition to the main event of the meeting of the leaders of china and the usa. mr. valery, two years ago, vladimir putin offered the west to create a new one some kind of agreement, an agreement, a security agreement, as he said at the time, it was just before the war, november 2021, and there were clauses regarding the implementation that... putin wanted to put up for discussion with the americans and with nato representatives. and we were actually talking about a new new agreement, relatively speaking yaalt 2:0, because the entire system that was formed before the 21st year, it was in effect in the 45th year, and

it is clear that in this situation, obviously, now, this the multipolarity that putin talked about and sort of... talked about this multipolarity, actually, he wanted there, conditionally speaking, so that the country would have three poles in the world, well, in his understanding then, russia , the united states of america and china, er, now from the rhetoric of xi jinping, it is clear that xi jinping wants two poles, that is, china and the united states of america, er, this meeting, which is planned in san francisco, will obviously give xi jinping answers that the united states of america. can offer china, in response to these pleas, to share responsibility for the fate of humanity, as xi jinping says, what do you think about this situation and how in your opinion, in this situation, biden can play on the side of ukraine, so that xi jinping has influence from

his vassals, in the russian federation, in belarus, in iran, which he supports. russia and in general, how likely is it that xi jinping will, uh, help russia withdraw its troops from the territory of the ukrainian state? well, i will say for a moment that putin saw only a bipolar world, he only knows that, the soviet union and the united states, and he proposed so, that's already when he had this ultimatum, it was blackmail and an ultimatum. so did the leningrad gate, roughly so, if there was something from the proposal , they might have been considered, but there was direct blackmail, and therefore, well, any politician in the usa would not have been able to accept this blackmail, because it was the challenge, the challenge was accepted, but putin, in his own style, decided to take revenge

where he is weaker, and as he always does, it means he hits, as he is a compatriot there. there or across countries, at brothers, yes, at brothers, he hit, well, this, this, this is such cynicism, bullying, but it is from weakness, not from strength, to him, he really, really hates to somehow go to war with the usa there, well, go and fight, you have a beringo spill there, cross it and fight, go to alaska, go, why are you sitting there, such brave people are sitting there, they have the closest country to them from this block of the usa, he please, the usa is nearby, even if he got in there with one foot , but no, because he knows that they will tear it off right away, until well, in short, they are cynics and weak, absolutely weak, they showed their weakness, but the weakness is a residual from soviet times, well, the territory is large, the population, this is all a dictatorship, it

gives them the opportunity to hang on for a while, for a while, you can see how they wallow, that china, you can't see that they wallow, china will take them on a platter. they will immediately expand in the far east very easily, they saw it, they don’t need anything to do with russia , russia has sold itself completely to them, putin handed over russia to china, putin handed over russia completely, with the arctic route, with its resources, with everything, with his minimal assets left in the middle east or somewhere else in africa, he will turn everything over to china, you see, that everything will remain... well, i don’t know if he is an agent of china, maybe they recruited him, i have the impression that the chinese could have simply recruited him, and as a result he works for them, so now there is no question about it, absolutely, it is clear that china wants a bipolar world , perhaps it is easier to live this way, bearing in mind the previous period of the cold war, when

this logic was applied to many countries at that time, and in principle the world is difficult, but living in such conditions, somehow they got used to it, two... large groups, plus the countries of the so- called third world, well, somehow they lived, ah then, this one, not a complete mind, the dictator took, dragged the war into europe, simply took it by the ear, dragged the war into europe, and it should have started most likely in asia, and therefore , in principle, it is clear to everyone that the language there will be primarily about asia, primarily about the fact that china will insist... on its influence and the possibilities of greater control in asia and try to convince or threaten somewhere or show somewhere there. pragmatically, the us should not deploy its capabilities,

including the fleet, including the assistance of australia, japan, south korea, an even bigger military one, in order for china to implement its, as they say, expansion there, er, what they say is the belt and road, they said, this, i will say, the yoke way, because it is for sure it is already clear that this is not an economic story, it is a story of expansion, including geopolitical. and china clearly showed at the forum recently, at the big, third of its project, the americans immediately reacted, took india, involved and showed that this path can be from that region, through asia to the middle east and another, and other transport corridors can pass , no necessarily the ones that russia will tip china on saucers there, everything can be different, and china has realized that there may be alternatives, and therefore they will ... try, first, to get the usa to agree to their gradual

increase in influence in this region, precisely their region, the south asian region as a whole, well, the usa, so china will not then take any actions closer to the borders of the united states and its interests, and of course in this situation, russia's war against ukraine is important , of course, first of all for the states, because i repeat, these are the national interests of the united states, because their allies, the nato countries, are already nearby , you can't say anything there, you will have to enter the war there with your armed forces on the side, precisely the nato countries, if it will attacked by the russians, and russia constantly threatens it, and nuclear weapons, of course they will also talk about the nuclear component, because russia, putin, medvedev have already swung this nuclear club too much, they were given to the kuperuks there, but they

are still trying to show , that they have what something, this is putin putting out his nuclear suitcases to the public, i.e. for everyone to see, and this is clear, a game, but it is not known what the truth is, they have not shown any capability, the soviets are still soviet, this arsenal somehow, how does it fly at all, or him, what is happening to him, well, it's good that they don't show it, so be it. but everything is also unpleasant for the chinese, because at first they did not develop their nuclear-ballistic launch vehicle program, now they began to actively promote it, and china also wants to understand what the united states will do, which has much more potential bigger, so there are topics related to the global order, no matter how much we would like it there, in the conversation between china and the usa, the issue of ukraine will not be there. on the first plan, they have before that a few more questions related to global leadership, and then yes, of course,

it is very important that this question be raised after all, i already said, i don't know what negotiator joseph can put on the table biden in order to convince the chinese, basically everyone, all the cards seem to be hidden, everyone understands the situation, but it is possible. i would really like it not in terms of exchanges, yes, like us we often fear that there will be some exchanges, the plan is still to find a position to de-escalate the situation, but it is clear that de-escalation is possible, the first step, russia is withdrawing troops from ukraine, this is the first step of global de-escalation, the pyramid continues the same, or i don’t know , this construction, terrorism, plus pariah countries, plus china, which does not interfere, it will then... collapse very quickly, on the contrary, i don't know whether it is advantageous or disadvantageous for china now, in their strategy, they

decide for themselves, but i it seems like it would be a very strong move and how much it would add leadership and sydzenpin and joseph biden, it's obvious, it's in their interests, well, at least tactical interests, it's for sure, mr. valery, twice in the last week , german defense minister boris pistorius talks about the possibility or... about the risk of a major war in europe, today the minister of defense said that the armed forces of the federal republic of germany should be able to fight a defensive war, you talk to diplomats european diplomats what they say about how much they appreciate the deployment, full-scale war not only within the borders of ukraine, but also within the borders of europe.

well, frankly speaking, they do not have the impression that the war can spill over, not into europe, it is already... in europe, we are actually in the geographical center to western europe, yes, to western europe, well, to western ukraine of nato, let's say so that the war does not spill over, so here they are, i saw that they had greater fears, not at first of large-scale russian aggression, on february 24, 2022, but sometime later, well, probably a month after that, they had the greatest fears fear. why now, on the other hand, should the minister of defense say so, because his task is to prepare the country for any development of events, we know that many nato countries were not prepared, well, except for the usa, obviously, they are the majority of european nato countries, they are not were preparing for such a war, they do not have such a production of weapons, although they have all the capacities, in germany, moreover, it is a very powerful

country in terms of the military-industrial complex. and a large arms exporter, that is , it is clear that they were exporting, but this specific things that i don't know there, the supply, if i'm not mistaken, of three submarines to egypt, that is, which by the way was also kind of in the conflict zone, yes, and germany then said that we cannot supply ukraine in the 14th year, even they did not want to supply us with diesel engines, diesel engines, and at the same time they supplied submarines to egypt, what a striking situation now, and when russia attacked ukraine in germany slowly, but in historical terms, views on the possibility of escalation on a broad, specifically european, changed rather quickly space, so these are his serious statements, he wants to have more allocations for the military industry, for the production of the same 155 mm projectiles, because there is no such power to enter,

god forbid, into such a war, and they are already in nato instead of... the concept deterrence, which until now, as if, well, we are preparing some security guarantees there in the concept of deterrence, and they have moved to the concept of prevention, and the concept of prevention involves an increase in very serious expenses specifically in the field of defense and security and indeed responding to a potential threat, if it there will be an attack and war in europe, and they switch to it, it is right, because if you made a maximum defense, then there will be no war, the paradox is that the enemy comes to you only when you are weak, and he anticipates that his losses will be smaller than his gains, whether territorial or geopolitical, and this is the statement of the new minister, well, the new one is conditional, well, we haven’t heard much about the previous one, now these are correct statements, and by the way, germany is actively helping ukraine now, it can close something certain there,

time frame by state, and i would like to say that not only germany, but also other nato and european countries did it, that's why, that's why the situation, when i remember when we went to the ministry of foreign affairs there and together i from the non-governmental sector helped, they did in spain in madrid, er , there is such an event about security threats in europe, including from russia, they, i will tell you honestly, they just smiled, they smiled, saying that the distance. 20 seconds remain on the air, so if possible the situation, the situation is such that the world understands, the possibility of regional conflicts has increased and victory ukraine will stop, and if they do not help enough, it will expand further. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was valery chaly, politician, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, friends , we are putting an end to this, i wish you all

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