[000:00:00;00] our relatives, goodbye, will avdiyivka become the second bakhmut, we are talking about this on bbc news ukraine live from london, i am yevhennia shedlovska, and we will also talk about how the evacuation from the front-line cities in eastern ukraine is taking place. avdiyivka is a hot spot on the front, the russian military is trying to capture the city, actively storming it since october 10, and before talking about what is happening at the front. let's talk about what is happening to

civilians in avdiivka, a city that has been on the front line since 2014, until full-scale before the russian invasion, more than 30,000 people lived in avdiivka, and now 1,500 remain there and the authorities are urging them to leave. in addition, the ukrainian authorities ordered the removal of children from a number of settlements in the east of ukraine due to hostilities, such a forced evacuation of children. bbc correspondent janie hill spoke to several families who were forced to leave their homes. ukraine is still suffering under the pressure of russian aggression, the conflict, which seems to have no end, is generating more and more victims and more and more refugees. these families left their own homes, which are located not far from the front line, after the authorities ordered the children to be taken to a safe place, none of them knows when they will return, or if they will return at all, their lives are packed in suitcases, and they took

only... the most necessary, now they are in safety, but just look at their faces, these girls came with their mother, their father stayed, and their grandparents refused to leave their home. at this moment, when the flight was over, the last ten, there were three of us in the house, my little one, the smallest, those at babushka's there were, and we, well, pashka, took people out. points where hostilities are currently taking place are difficult and dangerous. in these shots, fighters of the special police unit white angels are evacuating residents and children from the donetsk region. we talked to one of them. the danger is present, because the russian shelling

does not stop, they shoot, with everything, they hit peaceful settlements, cities, towns, this includes reactive fire control systems, artillery, mortars, now there are about 5 million internally displaced people in ukraine persons, the state provides them with food, housing, helps financially, this old school has become a home for several families at once, which is quite impressive, although we are now far from the front line, a whole generation of children lives in a reality that was completely... shaped by the war. his mother was one of those children of a barbarian, a girl trying to keep up with the school curriculum, studying online. after a shell hit the house, varvara, along with her mother and grandmother, were forced to move. i really like it, it's quiet, good, beautiful here. at first they tell that the new life is beautiful and quietly, and then memories cover them.

you look homesick, don't you? yes, yes, we want to, we want to return, the women say, and for all the horror to end, for her to go to school, for her daughter to be able to return to school, but a peaceful and once-ordinary life for these people is just a dream for now. in addition, there is... an industrial evacuation of families with children from the kherson region, a territory that was liberated almost a year ago, and is constantly shelled by the russian military. well, now we are talking about avdiivka, as reported by the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine in its daily summary, the russian military is trying to surround the city. in addition, the russian military stormed unsuccessfully in other directions, but we will focus on the situation in avdiivka. a city of strategic importance, a city in which, according to local authorities

, 1,500 people remain. they live under constant shelling and we are joined by my colleague oleg chernysh, bbc correspondent oleg chernysh is in touch with us, you will help us understand what. around avdiivka, why are the russian military now trying to seize it and in general, why is avdiivka strategic from a military point of view? indeed, this city has a military significance, certainly strategic, but also political. avdiivka is actually such a suburb of donetsk, literally 10 km, 10-15 km from avdiivka to the center of donetsk, and this is the closest position of ukrainian troops. actually allowed to keep under a certain control, under fire control, the administration, administrative buildings, logistical routes of the russian troops, directly in

donetsk, that is, the russians even repeatedly said that the shelling of donetsk, the ukrainian the army leads precisely from avdiivka, of course, politically for putin, for other russians, it is possible. it would be advantageous to show that the ukrainian military was moved as far as possible from donetsk and, so to speak, protected it from shelling, on the other hand, from a military point of view, taking avdiivka for the russians will also have certain such bonuses, it is such an important railway station, there is a certain intersection there highways, and in general, the possibility of taking an audio recorder opens again. space for movement further west, for example, to pokrovsk, another important such cities in the donetsk region, which are currently under ukrainian control,

of course. if you compare the battles for avdiivka and the battles for bahmud, eh, is there a difference in tactics, the russians seem to use the same tactics, they throw a lot of manpower into the assault continuously, indeed, there are certain similarities, but at the same time there are also differences, let me remind you that in the battle for bahmud, the main dispersal force was the units of the pvk wagner, it is clear that they are no longer there, and accordingly, such a number of manpower, if you can say so, roughly, cannon fodder, russia also no longer has, it definitely uses again these squads of prisoners, which are called storms, who actually walk over the corpses of their killed colleagues, if you can say so, but let me remind you that again, this is not wagner and he does not have such training, such military

there are tricks for uncertain pressure, however, russia is trying not just to storm avdivka head-on, but to surround it by moving from the south and from the north, that is, to cut the routes that are important for the provision of the ukrainian garrison directly in this city, this is actually such a tactic, constant movement from the north and half a day, trying to bypass avdiyivka and , at the same time, keep under constant tension the ukrainian defenders in the city itself , for example, by storming the most powerful and fortified, fortified part of it, this is the aughir coke-chemical plant, that is, now it is on this object that the greatest attention of the russian troops is focused , they have already come close to this factory and, as you said, they are actually trying, as you said, at the expense of manpower, to go forward and seize possibly a part, and maybe there, more, more of this factory, well, actually,

so far the situation is so uncertain, well, as we know, the assaults continue and the ukrainians are still on the defensive both at the plant and in the car itself. olezhe, stay in touch, let's hear what the ukrainian military has to say. breakdowns near avdiyivka, this city on the front line is currently attracting the attention of the international media, i rewatched several reports of foreign tv channels, and there are such comments, in particular, a medical instructor compares the situation near avdiyvka with bakhmut, it was even easier in bakhmut. it was even easier in bakhmut, because such a massed fire and such a number of vehicles and infantry now going on the assault surpasses what was at bakhmut. and another soldier tells us that they are continuously killing the russians with assaults , we worked for four days, and every morning there was a new assault, new, new, new, new, we don't have the resources to replace the guys, and why the guys are just at the peak of their abilities, i don't know how they

survived, but the guys, the handsome guys, held everything. oleg, these are the comments, and the ukrainian command reports that the positions under avdiivka is being held, the positions are actually strengthened there, the war has been going on there since 2014, so what is the most difficult thing in the ukrainian defense now? well, you understand, the most difficult thing is that russia does not count losses at all, according to the calculations of the ukrainian side, during these three weeks of continuous assaults, about 4 russian soldiers were killed, that is, these are losses that no army in the world could afford. it seems so to me, but nevertheless russia did not just stop, it continues to send more and more reserves, more and more forces in order to seize avdiivka,

in order to advance in the direction of this mi. that is, well, i repeat, no army in the world could afford any military actions, having such losses, but as we can see, except for the russian one, that is, according to certain calculations, about 40 thousand soldiers were withdrawn by russia in this direction, let me remind you for offensives in other areas of the front, yes, yes, definitely, definitely, in order to get an audio signal, the ukrainians already, according to certain data, their units, for example, from the zaporizhzhia direction, where, as we know, it took place all summer counter-offensives, also from other directions, precisely in order to hold this strategically important city and to prevent the russians from celebrating their victory here. well , we have one minute left, that's the end, let's talk about what is happening in other parts of the front now, at what stage is the ukrainian offensive now? you know, now the situation is very uncertain, at the front, there is such

a competition for the initiative, as we understand, the summer and the beginning of autumn were ukraine's, the initiative was with the ukrainians, now russia is trying to take over this role, at the same time attacking both near avdiyivka, and near kupyansk and even near bakhmut, where it would seem that ukrainian troops are leading the way, meanwhile the armed forces of ukraine are trying to find... new ways for attacks, here we can already mention the kherson direction, where ukrainian the military, despite the difficult situation, continues to hold its small but important bridgeheads on the left bank of the dnieper, perhaps there will be some further movement in this direction, but again, the situation there is very difficult at the moment. thank you, oleg, oleg chernysh, a bbc correspondent was in touch with us, we talked about the situation in avdiivka, about the battles for avdiivka, well, that's about it.

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years - say sociologists and add that fewer and fewer citizens trust the government, the parliament and the president. what are these public sentiments connected with? how does it affect the actions of the authorities. the battles for avdiivka became one of the bloodiest since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of ukraine. in almost three weeks of battle, the russian army was unable to make the quick breakthrough it so wanted. according to the institute for the study of war, the russian army lost hundreds of people and hundreds of armored vehicles in these battles. the 59th separate motorized infantry is fighting on the right flank of the avdiiv direction. from our correspondents, yevhennia kitaeva and hanna kudryavtseva, spoke to the fighters who repelled the first assaults of the russian army in the avdiiv direction. on october 10, at six o'clock in the morning, it all started with massive artillery shelling, then at 6:00 a.m. the convoys

of equipment moved, the first column went to the donetsk side, we still saw it, well, quite far from the line of measurement. and already the first of our drones went to meet us, we worked in principle to kill the first unit so that the column would grow old, and then thanks to the same means of reconnaissance and correction artillery worked on them. the columns were hurrying near our positions, and the infantry tried to advance, the tanks fired at the infantry positions, the bempkas also fired so that no one could raise their heads, but the fivishniks hit three tanks at once, then the offensive wavered.

and they were joined by dji vehicles, which scattered the infantry with drops, in the evening we joined already to finish off these scattered groups of russians with night means, we start deep in the fact that our drones are already working in pesky or on the outskirts of donetsk, we dispersed the infantry for a day 160, for the night 70, somewhere we will scatter half-cows... we scattered the infantry, we also caught them and finished them off, they could lose up to one company there in a day, this is what we calculated, how many of them had not yet reached there and fell asleep and scattered, we do not know, after that they retreated, rolled back, and within a couple of hours a new column left again without a bird, we will not detect them from far away, that a person with binoculars or a rifle scope will not see where they are, yes, that is, it works with us, that we have... means wings that can fly further and see further, that is how it works, we find them there with one means at a distance

of up to 15 km to the battle formations there, then intercept there, if they have already started moving, yes, and the wing further there will observe what is happening there, whether there is an accumulation of new forces, or well in in general, he is watching that area from where there may be a promotion, and this is already when they are intercepting the same other means in russia, that is, it all works together. is active and is transmitted further, they wanted to cut off the highways from avdiivka, they had to go 7-8 kilometers to the highways to avdiivka, be encircled, well, several brigades would be encircled, they tried to enter our flank from the flank, already further to the rear, to cut off some of the positions that we had there and how to conduct defensive action in a circle, thereby blocking our supply there. it was they who set such a goal, well, it was from the first day

of their assault, so they did not achieve something so wonderful, i can say that what they spent and what they got is nothing at all, they are big losses very large, not a single meter came without constant observation of what is happening there, whether a mouse will run or a cat will pass by, we can see all this, and thanks to the means we have, we can already see their rear all the time. thanks to these means , our soldiers do not die. the infantry is satisfied, the slides not so much. pavlo dichenko, inspector of the communication department of the main administration of the national police in the donetsk region. a member of the white angel evacuation squad joins our broadcast. paul, good evening. congratulations. good evening. thank you for joining, finding the time and opportunity. please tell me whether evacuation became difficult. from the city in recent days, and the evacuation continues throughout the entire territory of donetsk region, that is, these

are settlements, cities, towns, villages, and well , the trend is stable, that is, now people are leaving, well, mostly, these are situations where people already understand , that the winter period is approaching and they cannot live in such conditions, if you take the avdiyevs specifically. i understand correctly, the question concerns avdiivka, so people leave both from the city itself and from nearby settlements, every day, every day the evacuation is taking place, well, the shelling does not stop, if you can say so, they are constantly firing from everything possible, that is, it is also rocket systems of volley fire, artillery, mortars, it is constantly working, and well, people now understand, but even now, yes, you are broadcasting footage, this this is the reality of the avdiivka that she

is in now, and the guys from the white angel are constantly taking civilians out of the city every day. pavle, then i want to clarify if this picture reflects what is currently happening in avdiivka, where those civilians who have remained there now live, where are you looking for them so that convince about the need for evacuation? well, the vast majority live in basements, those who live in the private sector, in their houses, as well as in basements , that is, almost everyone has a basement, equipped, and with so many shellings with such an incredible scale of destruction, where people understand , that they can be, well, like those who are injured and , unfortunately, they can be next , and in this way people turn to evacuation teams, people get in

touch and already express their intentions and well you they also mentioned the approach of the winter period , i understand that this indicates that the number of people willing to evacuate has increased, but it is no secret that there are always those who refuse, and what is their argument? well, it is certainly not some kind of reduced feeling, feeling, such fear, because, well, maybe people have now entered a certain, in the situation where they live, entered a certain comfort zone, for yes, and this is for them, well, this is what is, and this is what surrounds them, and any changes, they, well, scare them more, there is a move somewhere, or some the change, the place of residence, is more frightening than the situation that they live in avdiivka

, you take them out, you can immediately tell where they are waiting, where they can go, whether you actually manage to convince with these arguments, yes, of course, it is very it works very well, that is, people go to their friends and relatives, this is the first position, the second position is state programs, that is, programs where people go to evacuate, volunteer help, volunteer organizations also call, offer their... well, their yes shelter that is, where people can be accommodated, temporarily or permanently, we have all this information available, and we already offer people where they will go, in what conditions they will live, and what they will do in general, and actually, you mentioned a little about the approach of winter, again, what is the humanitarian situation, are there those who remain, who

cannot be convinced, access to food, to medicines, in general, what are the logistics with the same widow, is there access to food, is there access to medicines , people, well, even police crews, if people feel bad, they turn to the policemen still take them to the hospital, and it's not even that there, injuries received as a result of shelling, these are also such household diseases, that is, if, well, a very difficult situation... they also call, and this is also one of the elements of evacuation , because people are already in the hospital more or less safe, they see that there is another life and that life can be normal, that is, they look at the street, people are walking and already make their decisions and do not return. pavle, thank you very much for finding the opportunity to join our broadcast and that's it

to tell, pavlo dyarchenko, inspector of the communication department, main office of the national police. in the donetsk region, a member of the white angel evacuation squad was in direct contact with us. thank you. and just now , oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military legal studies, joins the broadcast. alexander, good evening. how can you hear me good evening, i greet you. well, actually, continuing the topic of avdiivka, the possibility of the russian army storming avdiivka has been discussed for several days in a row. how realistic is this scenario and in general, is it real. get avdiivka under these circumstances? well, they will storm, it must be said that the ukrainian defense forces have already completed many important tasks, because it must be understood that the enemy's task is not just to advance on avdiivka, it is a secondary task, the primary task is to withdraw all our forces from the south and