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here to purify the judiciary. on thursday , november 2, at 5:45 p.m., the judicial control program with tetyana shustrova on the espresso tv channel. vitaly portnikov is with you and we are talking about the main events of this week. vitaly portnikov and top experts on the most exciting events of the last seven days. our guest will be the lieutenant general of the ground forces. former national security adviser to the president of the united states, donald trump. herbert mcmaster. current topics, pressing questions, authoritative comments and forecasts in the information marathon project with vitaly portnikov, every sunday at 20:10 on espresso. well, now we will talk about the four letters: o, p, z, well, we will talk about it with iryna fedoriv, ​​a public activist, and we will include her in

the conversation of opzzh, in particular, representatives of it. uh of the odious political forces that still remain, that we already have a full-scale day there, the 617th day of a full-scale invasion, and they want them, and it doesn't work out, to send these four odious letters to the three letters ouut, that is, out, how much, how much those representatives of the four letters are in the kyiv city council, and what is preventing them from showing the way? look, there are about ten of them in the kyiv city council, there are about five or so all the time, but we have to understand that this is not only a problem of the kyiv city council, so today the session is supposed to start in literally 25 minutes in the kyiv city council, and before that it was in the kyiv regional council, the kyiv regional council decided to get rid of the deputies of the banned

opzh party, they went to court. and there are radical projects in the kyiv rada, there are softer projects, as far as i know, there will be softer projects on the agenda today, and in particular there is a project that the deputies of the kyiv rada... want to address to the verkhovna rada, so that the parliament will finally consider the government's , i emphasize the government initiative, that is, the cabinet of ministers of ukraine worked on it, and if this law was adopted, that is, if it was not a legal forces, then council after council should not sit down and expel opzh. at the beginning of the year, 150 people's deputies, it seems even more, turned to stefanchuk and asked him to put this government project on the agenda of the session hall, but they did not introduce this issue, although the committee passed this bill and it must be considered, it's like the moscow ones priests, political will is simply blocked, and

that is why such phenomena are now taking place in the kyiv regional council, the kyiv city council, and other local councils, when deputies at the request communities are trying to do this, but why do we have such a riot in every council, why do we have to go through these trials with former representatives of the opzh, if they can be banned in one fell swoop, it is really very similar to what is happening around the uoc mp, branches the russian orthodox church, with those signatures, well, in the end, the signatures were collected and somehow pressed, maybe it will be possible to do with this as well, well, i hope that we have... but stepanchuk said that we do not have 226 votes, and we did everything possible to collect these signatures and such proved that these 226 are on paper, and then proved in the hall that these 226 are, and

there was even more, and this is an indicator that the speaker misinforms the population , moreover, he tells ukrainians things that undermine trust in the parliament at such a difficult time, and this cannot be done, people must understand what national security... how it works including the parliament, not only the national defense security council, the sbu, the parliament also has to fulfill its role, and i want to believe that since we now have the hall of the verkhovna rada, it has proven that it is united, ready to fight against these fsb in robes, and they will be votes for this government project, and we will not have to collect some votes in the kyiv city council, the regional council, in order to point-blank ban some factions, or take their cards there, or block their entrance to the building, well, why should all this happen, if two minutes in press the green buttons in the session hall of the verkhovna rada and support the government bill, which once and for all

expels representatives of banned parties from the session halls of all local councils. please tell me, ms. irina, do you not believe that people can change after all? fundamentally, admit your mistakes and become new people. go to confession to a uocp priest, repent, kick your heels, no, immediately go to the greek-catholic church, so that , you know, it's like that once and for all, look, maybe they can change, but what about us, well, what about us the difference is that these are people who came from banned parties, i.e. into the political system, they got into the party that is legally banned, i.e. the state made a huge hype last year. heh heh, we banned almost 20 lots, okay, legal entities banned, seals banned, shufrich in in the parliament, in local councils, mini-shufrichis are running, well, we will measure everyone with a ruler, who has changed or how

, we have to expel them, we have to understand what lustration model we choose for the next elections, we have to protect the state, it happened again, and then, if lustrations... the mechanisms work , we have protected, and people choose whom they want when a cancer patient is treated by a doctor, radiation therapy does not work , chemistry is needed, sometimes an operation is needed, but no one leaves metastases in the body to see, and suddenly these sick cells will change their mind and they will stop killing us, you know, and today we are talking about, of course, the topic against... the mother of the city taputats in the authorities in the parliament, again, and the faction of the opzzh and so on, but today we were just talking, there is such a minkina, isn’t there a minkina, somehow there , tomilina, tomilina, tomilina, in kherson, who is now, so you

understand, the speaker of the state regional duma of the kherson region, the russian federation, that’s how her position sounds, and she is today or yesterday there the other day i went to moscow, and met with the speaker of the federation council, also of the russian duma , or duma, i don’t know what it’s called there, if we look at the biography of... this person, we will see that she is from 1900, attention, 96- in the 1990s, she was engaged in educational activities in lyceums, then she headed educational activities in lyceums, moreover, in the national state university, then in fact she worked with children, where a reserve was being prepared for applicants for the best higher education institution that existed in the kherson region, and she worked with those children, was responsible for their education. work and knowing that this person always

had absolutely pro-russian views, she never even disguised them, in fact. the question also arises that when, for example, lustration was carried out in poland , the czech republic, and other countries of the former social camp, part of the lustration prohibited not only engaging in politics, but also teaching at school or working in the media, this was also part of the lustration laws. and i also have a question. or people who worked in structures that were affiliated with, representatives of opzh and conducted their information policy in one way or another, can work in any educational institutions from high school to the academy of sciences of ukraine, do such people have the right and opportunity and will we allow them to work in the media as well, at any level, from the district newspaper to national telethons, like the only...

news, ms. iryna, that was a rhetorical question, or, we have a connection, something like that, something related, yes, let's try retype iryna to continue conversation, here someone from the audience tells us, something has disappeared from their image, well, our eyes, not all of them, but one looks. i don't know what's happening, maybe something really is wrong, something in the air is not right, maybe the shufret heard that he was called a shufrich here and also that mini shufrichs are running around in various local councils, and decided to move the wire, well, i'm trying to restore the connection connection, well, for me this is a really important question, because i, for example, if we don't believe, really, we don't believe, i'm not ready to believe that the politicians who went. er,

after, in fact, the 14th year, after the revolution dignities went to the party where medvedchuk was the main boss, we do not believe that in principle they can still be pro-ukrainian or sufficiently loyal to the ukrainian state, can bring benefits, so why do we think that they can be allowed to work with children, and why do we think that they can be allowed to work with the voters, even if they can be useful to the government at some point, their money or their... from there skills, abilities and so on, i remember saying that partnov of course , a scoundrel, but he is also beautiful lawyer, people used such wording, you know that very often those people who, for example, even during the revolution of dignity, talked about the fact that yanukovych is a good president, and putin is even better, and this, for example, i know such a teacher in one higher, higher, and a higher educational institution, where those who think are somehow formed. or thinking people, that is, it’s not some

kind of, i don’t know, applied such a specialty, it’s not a specialty where children are taught to think, and they also then go out to people and make these people think with their art, for example, these people are quite loyal, that is why during the revolution of dignity they say that they give borscht poisoned with drugs on the maidan, that yanukovych is good, then the government changes, they say, oh, now everything is fine, and then something else changes, and they will be again talk... about the government that will come and tell stories, worry about it, the lady has already returned, ms. irina, we did not hear your answer, did you hear our question, i heard your question, here i am in the dnipro, so the communication may not be very good, i want to tell you, here you are touched on the issue of copper workers, well, yesterday everyone was talking about dubinsky, and you touched on the issue of the maidan, and we remember his fairy tales about the fact that there are prostitutes on the maidan and so on, and then there was money connected to russian flows.

and pro-russian politicians, these are all well-known facts , so look, to the formation of the media field, to the formation of the minds of the new generation of education, such people cannot be allowed, and no fairy tales about people changing, well, there won’t be, it’s a philosophy, it’s a worldview , they grew up like that, and when you see dubinsky, who was a media person, and look, now he is a people's deputy, but how much his facebook is developed, how many followers...' how many people he influences and shows contempt that he will not receive any summons, and he shows all the contempt, he doesn't just show his, he shows the citizens: how you can deal with a law enforcement agency, but you see, recently there was a scandal, well, a scandal, a scandal in a glass of water, so to speak, when the president's office invited various media persons, so to speak, and there were, for example, representatives of ukrainian as they write about themselves in the description, the ukrainian tv channel, we teach media grammar,

help resist manipulation and recognize fakes, it sounds good, but this is iceland tv, whose founders are black political technologists. who did not work for whom in this country, who did not pour money on the heads of any opponents and so on, and these people teach, that is, media grammar and, and the national council issues them a broadcasting license, this is happening right now nowadays, they are invited to the president's office to discuss important matters with them thing, together with the trukha tv channel, it is not tv media, but the trukha telegram channel, it is not clear at all. i'm just talking about the fact that if the fish , you know, was rotting from the head, i would say so, look, i have a question here not only for those who invite these two petrov and ivanov from iceland, on whom there is no place to put a brand , they go to them on the airwaves, that is, i

see people's deputies who come to them, but we must honestly say to ourselves that we legitimize such a thing in this way. in himself, and then before the elections, ivanov will make another dubious story, for example, about i was definitely doing it, because we fought with developers in priirpinna and whitewashed, mayor irpin karpluk, and i understand that he did it not for ideological reasons, that is, mayor karpluk, who had 67 apartments in the declaration, he must have motivated him, well and we are all, it's a sad story, but we have to... talk about it and we have to talk and warn politicians and official institutions that you can't deal with people like ivanov, petrov, iceland, by the way, it's terrible to have 67 apartments, i think yes, only yes, i don't have any now, well, it's not enough to clean up, and what about you you are thinking where to spend the night today, well, where, where, in which apartment, and yes, if you have, for example

, 365 apartments, then once every four years you have a question, and so you always know, today in this one, tomorrow in the next, everything is planned for a year ahead. that's what, that's why krampluk, kirpen was more than 500, then he can walk for two years without any problems at all, you thought you were joking, but you saw such realities, ms. iryna, thank you for the conversation, iryna fedoriv, ​​public activist, was with us, they talked about the hospital and not only, but now let's talk, we finished the topic of the media and those who present themselves under the brand of media, channels of trukha, and actually now about the telegram channel of trukha and, in principle, about. telegram as a phenomenon, why do we have it, now we will talk about it with yuriy smirnov , a liganet journalist, we will add him to our etreru, let me know if he already exists, is there, still, yes, still, still, they are still establishing a connection , i just want to tell you why you and i decided

to call yuriy smirnov and why we will talk about truh's telegram channel, which was called to the president's office, as well as about telegram channels, because recently the founder of this telegram channel, pavlo durov, a russian , wrote that he would block telegram channels that call for violence, and all this was due to the fact that there was such a telegram channel utratra dagestan, and according to the version of the russian authorities, it was there that such slogans were thrown, and this provoked these anti-semitic riots at the makhachkala airport. but as yurii notes in his post on facebook that repeatedly on russian telegram channels, for example, the same medvediv was mentioned, which there, under a drink, soberly or drunk, he wrote about the need to destroy

ukrainians, and no one blocked those gram channels. mr. yuriy, welcome to our airwaves, good day, i congratulate you, actually, about the telegram channel as a phenomenon, there is pavel durov who killed this telegram channel, it is all russian, we are fighting with russian here, but if you ask ukrainians, where they get information, then they will answer through someone that they are subscribed to telegram channels, and god forbid, if these were some telegram channels from some media in reality, yes, that is, the media have their pages in telegram channels that spread their news there , which are on the site, this is information that has been verified, but there are some telegram channels like baba baba said, or rubbish and even worse, and why do we still have this russian , who benefits, we used to have vkontakte, well, that is, again, it’s russian, which was very popular in our country, especially our teenagers and children sat there, and they got all kinds

of information necessary for russians, but they closed vkontakte, it was a little cry, and in principle somehow ukrainians, as we can see, they are not dead, they live fine without vkontakte vkontakte, i don’t know if he is still alive or not, somehow they decided to themselves, who benefits from the fact that telegram is still the messenger in ukraine and remains and there is nothing for him. you just started, you mentioned pavel durov, we just have to draw this analogy with the russian market, because in russia at first they too, the russian authorities allegedly imitated the fight against telegram, they even said that they would ban it, well, we we know very well that when the russian authorities want to ban something, she does it, it is not a problem for her, she has all the mechanisms, all the special services under her, all the tools for this. but for some reason they decided in 17-18 years to play around with this ban, and in the end telegram was not

banned, that is, it is already an obvious signal to ukrainian society that something is wrong with this messenger. at one time, when the russian special services began to enter the ukrainian segment of the telegram, it was precisely on the 18th, the end of the 18th, the beginning of the 19th year, that is, it was precisely at the height of the presidential campaign. then at first, the government thought that it could be dealt with somehow, it could be overcome, somehow brought under control, i mean the ukrainian government, yes, but then, well, after the elections , it became clear that, unfortunately, there was no agreement with telegram, so they decided to go following the path of the russians, their, let's say, opponents, simply go there, give budgets there for flooding it with money, relatively speaking, creating this parallel reality only which... is allegedly controlled by pro-government structures. now all those telegram channels

you mentioned are trukha and others millionaires, they are in fact news aggregators, ah, what, they work with anyone , that is, you come there, i don't know, you will be a businessman from dnipro, a businessman from kamiansky, from some other place, if you have money, in principle, if there is no information there that harms the owners of the trukha channel or any other similar channel, then they ... publish any information for money, the same is what the government is doing now, there is also a telegram channel, joker, which according to unofficial data, he is controlled, as far as i know, by boris filatov i know, and one of the advisers of the president's office named mykhailo, i think it's not difficult to guess who i'm talking about, he works directly with that telegram channel, he orders posts for money, exactly... that post is mine, which you mentioned, they even took a screenshot of it, they made an advertisement for me, reacted, they criticized me there, that

i somehow asked the president the wrong question during a closed conversation, where the alleged owner of the trukha admin channel was present, so the authorities actually decided to follow the path, why should we forbid it, let's go simply speaking, roughly speaking, we will cooperate with this, because any government, be it russian or ukrainian, they always need a place where they can pour mud on their opponents, i'm done , telegram will be banned, there will be tiktok, there will be another platform where the government will go and where will she order anyway and where will this anonymous black market be anyway , we have less than half a minute left, why telegram channels are not media, very briefly, if you can explain to people our difference, so because , for example, we have major ukrainian media, they are also, unfortunately, in my personal opinion, they are present in the telegram segment, but for

us it is a distribution channel, but when the reader reads, for example, the ukrainian pravda telegram channel or the liganet telegram channel, he understands who is behind this information and if anything, he knows who to ask, and when he looks at the information from the telegram channel of trukha, it is not unclear who he should contact, the one who positions himself as the owner. well, that's funny. thank you, mr. yuriy , for the conversation, yuriy smirnov, ligannet journalist was in touch with us, we talked about telegram channels, about their harm and why you should not trust news from some anonymous telegram channels, stay with us, we will continue to talk about today's important topics. our marathon continues, andriy saichuk and lesya klyuk are working for you in this studio, and there is still an hour ahead of our part in the marathon, which has been going on for 617 days since

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