[000:00:00;00] good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health, the truth about the war with russia from zelsky and zaluzhny, the arrestee is going to the presidency, xi jinping is going to biden, share the world, or rather, sharing responsibility for humanity, is on the agenda today. zaluzhnyi wrote to zelsky how the article in hlavkom differs from the article in timetai. the west is losing interest. how has the attitude towards the war in ukraine changed and why? a surge of global anti-semitism. who spins the flywheel anti-israel protests. out of time, are

elections possible during the war and under what conditions? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests, people 's deputy of ukraine iryna herashchenko, special forces officer ihor lapin and diplomat volodymyr yelchenko. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how a russian column with a considerable number of tanks and landing forces tried to attack the positions of the armed forces of ukraine east of mykilsko - this is the donetsk region. our defenders succeeded hit at least 18 units of weapons and military equipment, a video with the excellent work of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade named after the black zaporozhets, i suggest

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youtube and facebook pages. and also vote on our youtube page , today we ask you about this, whether you will get the full truth about the war from russia, yes, no, or your answer, please write in the comments below this video. we in touch people's deputy of ukraine , co-chair of the european solidarity faction in the verkhovna rada, iryna gerashchenko. mrs. irina, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. by the way, good evening, thank you for the invitation. ms. iryna, two visions of the war at once, or... let's say, visions from different perspectives, were presented this week by two influential publications, the american magazine time and the british publication the economist. in the first version, the author of the text was the american journalist simon schuster, and the comments were by zelenskyi and some anonymous sources in office of the president of ukraine. valery zaluzhny's column appeared in zeekonmist. both the first and

the second tell. about the rather difficult situation that is currently developing on the russian-ukrainian front, why do you think these texts appeared now, and why are we in this situation, we cannot say that we already knew this truth in ukraine and just we were convinced that now the whole world knows, and not the other way around, the world has learned and together with the world we will learn what is happening in our country. first, it is obvious to me that and time, and the economist, first of all, the authors of these publications, delivered a key message to the american audience, today there are difficult processes taking place there, in fact , the election campaign has started, and unfortunately , the number of people who support the need to provide assistance to ukraine is decreasing, and it is not only

about the republicans, yes, the latest internal american sociology says that from 65 there to less than 40 there, 7% will drop the support of those americans who stand... for help to ukraine, this seems to me to be very serious a signal for such a failure of ukrainian diplomacy, because it is necessary to work not only the office of the president, who essentially blocked all contacts today, and for inter-parliamentary diplomacy and such public diplomacy, it is necessary to work not only with washington, in america many positions are decided by the states, and in the states there are few who know about the war in ukraine, and it seems to me that these are such serious signals , further, i do not rule out... that, for example, in the case of time, the initiator of these contacts was the president's office itself, because we see that simon shuster is an award-winning journalist who was awarded the office, and there are in this astaka not only anonymous names, as you said, but also very

well-known names in the ukrainian society, and mr. yermak gave comments, there are his quotes, and mr. shurma there, spent enough time with, shusteram, that cit. there are some absolutely wild positions that the investigation against shurma was carried out there by sensitive parahabotes, and not ordered, and not by journalists, anti-corruptionists, all this looks, well, really quite negative, but here is what connects the two articles and time and economist , it seems to me that the ukrainian segment, at least there, the social network has split into two camps, some are simply... lost in a stupor, and is it really true, what is all the talk about , that everything is so difficult at the front and, about what says zaluzhnyi, these are people who were poisoned by the marathon, the only one, yes, and they sincerely believed in

some kind of coffee there very soon in the crimea and so on, and the second part of ukrainians, who, well , say that we did not read anything new there, the situation at the front for all those who follow it is obvious and probably the time has come for a serious conversation with the country, and of course these two materials are very different in their tonality, a serious adult, absolutely such a look and an adult conversation of general zaluzhnyi as with the americans, and very clearly emphasizing why the situation at the front is not moving as the ukrainian army and our allies, and what needs to be done for this, and you know, it is very important that in zaluzhnyi's article , many journalists and experts note this, there is also the recognition of certain mistakes, this is an absolutely impossible position for the bank, everyone there

is sinless, with white wings, they will shift the responsibility to poroshenko, to someone else, and they just never admit their own mistakes, which are now very important to correct, it is very important to correct, mrs. irina, here we are telling our viewers about what the industrious economist wrote, i think it is worth to quote and show this quote itself, because there are many discussions in social networks, among journalists, among politicians, political scientists, let’s quote what zaluzhny also said, or rather wrote instead, ukrainians have demonstrated their readiness lay down body and soul for its freedom, ukraine not only stopped the invasion of a much stronger enemy, but also liberated a significant part of its territory. however, now the war is moving into a new stage, one that we in the military call a positional war , consisting of static and grueling battles like in the first world war, as opposed to a war of maneuver based on movement and speed, this benefits russia, allowing it

to regain its power , which will ultimately threaten the ukrainian armed forces and the state itself. it is clear that these messages, they aimed primarily at a western audience, it is clear that president zelenskyi or general zaluzhny could go on a single telethon and repeat the same thing and tell the people, ukrainians, and not just tell what ukrainians would like to hear and see, in this case the fact that the president's office forms an information strategy , do you, as a people's deputy of ukraine in the session hall of the verkhovna rada, hear this truth that both general zaluzhnyi and president zelenskyi speak about in the session hall, because they don't. allow us to see the live broadcast of the parliament, that's why it's difficult to understand what kind of information you have there, i think that the session hall also has a fairly low level, if we talk about the parliament as a whole, moreover, i have

a feeling that those pink eyes that jump in the marathon, they, well, make up a large part and ruling party, they are not interested in it, unfortunately, but, if we talk about me personally, about our we, i think, are well informed about certain things, about the situation at the front, a very large part of our colleagues, party members are fighting today, we are constantly we keep in touch with them and of course use all of them opportunities to communicate with the leadership of the general staff and the ministry of defense. there are several platforms where, well, it is very important for us to have such a constructive dialogue regarding the situation with the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, in order to have, well, such accurate information regarding the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, because we use all our international contacts, despite the fact that all business trips are blocked today, but i have a few on my desk for... there are currently blocked business trips when

the chairman of the verkhovna rada and our other colleagues, such an important communication, well, just imagine, even now we do not sign the delegation of the foreign affairs committee at the invitation of the bundestag foreign affairs committee, madness, but we always very clearly take the position of the needs of the armed forces of ukraine in order to have one voice abroad to convey these positions to our allies, and this is what general zaluzhnyi's article is about, we have been raising this issue at all meetings for more than a year, starting with airplanes and ending with the rebs, these are radio electronic systems blockade, where we know from the military that , unfortunately, in russia there is an advantage and success in modernizing these systems, and of course anti-mine equipment, because the russians, what are they doing after seizing the territories? and here really,

you have to ask why ukraine doesn't actually copy these things, too. the russians, having captured the territories, create fortifications, invest a lot of resources and forces, mine everything around, and unfortunately, it becomes such a very difficult passage for our military. let's see what's going on here, yeah, there for example, in kharkiv oblast, where our heroic collectives...' forces liberated kharkiv oblast a year ago, whether fortifications were built there on the border, or mines were laid around the field there, well, i'm afraid that the questions are rhetorical, and this really needs a very serious parliamentary discussion, but any attempts to raise these topics, to restore the hours of questions to the government, but once the prime minister finally came, i encounter such aggression, insensitivity and rudeness, i would even say, of the leadership

of the verkhovna rada. and it seems to me that now it is very important for everyone to draw conclusions from the situation that is happening, i am convinced that without the reformation of the current government , which shows its inability to meet the threats of wartime, without the creation of a government of technocrats, national unity, there will be great trouble, and in fact, i think that serious people realize that right then and there we are talking about joint responsibility for... what is happening to the country, now all professional people must be ready to shoulder this responsibility, to take on this responsibility, the main thing here is that there is a desire and awareness power, and the latter, you know, i really worked as a journalist, just like you sergey , yes, there, as a parliamentary correspondent and political journalists, and saw the communication of many presidents with parliaments, then as the press secretary of the president, and working already in the team of president poroshenko, i understood how important it is for every head of state to work with the parliament, i think that zelsky

is the first president who does not see the parliament, he does not communicate with the parliament, he does not work with the parliament, and the first and the last so serious and sincere the confidential meeting between president zelski and the leaders of the parliamentary factions took place on the day of the start of the full-scale invasion, i think it would be right for the president to invite the leadership of the parliament, the leaders of the parliamentary factions to him, and talk a lot: frankly, what should we do together in order to to protect the state internally and externally, to strengthen our inter-parliamentary front, to prevent the anti-putin coalition from collapsing, but finally, we are entering a very turbulent period, next year elections in the united states, elections in the european union, in the second half of the 24th year, and hungary presides over the european union, elections in russia, well, these are all challenges that must be given a joint professional response, and

it seems to me that right now the president has to be interested in real, not facade unity and in such a reformatting of the coalition, the team in order to simply strengthen our strategy inside the country and finally become a country with a wartime economy , well, regarding unity, ms. irina, on october 7, when hamas attacked israel was a government of national unity was formed in tel aviv, and by the way, no one created a marathon there, no channel was taken off the air, no opposition was harassed there, and that every criticism that is there today is on the net, you, you, you , you mentioned that on february 24, 2022, there was a meeting of the president with the leaders, or with everyone, with the leaders of the factions, the parliament, and why, why exactly then,

zelensky did not go to the formation of the government of national unity or the team , which will fight and oppose the russian federation, and why, why such a government. there is no national unity, as of november 2, 2023 ? i think that there are many answers to this, first of all, that we really have such a concentration of power in one point for the first time, and this is the banking one, and you know, well, i don't even want to mention the events of 20 there on february 4, 22 , when it is really necessary was to immediately create not only the position of the supreme commander, but to reformat, well, the president's team likes to mention churchill, so churchill also created a government of national unity, as well as israel, because these are obvious responses to the challenges, when all capable professional people have to take responsibility for the economy, for the provision of the army, and so we see

, well, in fact, that the war has become a bottom meter for someone, because we have terrible, absolutely right now , things are being revealed about what happened in the ministry of defense, but yesterday i read this audit of the chamber of accounts for the first half of 2023, and it is scary, when we lost from 3 to 7 billion hryvnias in six months only on food for military personnel, this is a huge amount that could have been buy and a bunch of drones and equipment and point it there at artillery shells, and it's all very, very sad. but, if it wasn't created in 22, then i'm sorry, please, now we see ... very serious problems in the economy, and we have not become a wartime economy, we have an absolutely impotent government, we have absolutely dependent on the will of the banking parliament, which is governed not by the speaker, but by some advisers, advisers of the president's office, who give instructions to stefanchuk over the phone, who

to send on a business trip, who not, when to gather meeting, when not, we still have a marathon, for which 2 billion uah are allocated every year, these are oligarchic tv channels, this is absolutely not... normal things, it seems to me that the feeling of preserving the country should change today, the position of the bank, forget about them all insults to everyone, this contempt for the parliament and hatred for the opposition and really sit down for such an honest conversation both with the parliament, with politicians, and with society, i think that society, this is also what the latest ukrainian polls show, is tired of marathon and i am worried about these numbers, yes, that 70% of ukrainians believe that it is necessary to criticize the government, this means that this lulling is cotton candy, everyone is tired of it, and society also needs a serious conversation.

mrs. irina, i would like to ask you, as the former first vice-speaker of the parliament, whether there are now and whether it is possible to create legislative conditions for the elections of the verkhovna rada and the president to take place in the 24th year and precisely... during the war, eh, an interesting question , and also, you know, it is strange, but never once in the parliament itself were there any serious discussions regarding how the government still sees the 24th year, when the powers of the president expire , according to the constitution, it was not discussed, the constitution is true, it is more clear about the parliament, and it is recorded there that the parliament acts until the next parliament takes... the oath, and as for the presidential elections, it is obvious to us, yes, that putin , who will be re-elected next spring, will try to speculate on the issue of the legitimacy of the ukrainian government, as he did there in the 14th year all the time and so on,

at the same time and martial law, and the constitution, well do not allow, first of all, the martial law, to hold any elections, and we are aware that elections during the state will not be legitimate, and by the way, i can very responsibly say that our international partners never raise the issue of elections, that is, on the contrary, they realize that the elections must be safe , democratic, legitimate, that all participants in the process, starting from the military and ending with immigrants, must participate in them, and the military not only put a button, excuse me, to put a tick on the ballot, but also take the opportunity to participate in both presidential and parliamentary elections, no one will go on vacation today for two or three months , the military will not be released for the election campaign, but of course there is a question of legitimacy,

and therefore it seems to me that this is also, you know, when there are already rumors in the press that the president's team is preparing elections for the spring, so i would like the president himself to say this, honestly, to society, at least to the parliament, but this conversation is not happening, the only thing i want to say is that recently there have been several events within the framework of of such hearings, where the post-constitutional elections, certain technical points, they were there as the day of voting were discussed, and for example, the cec admits that even the voter register, at our place today, is closed, and opening it and making changes is a matter of several months, so that today it does not correspond to reality, a lot of demographic changes have taken place in ukraine, no one even deals with this, the issue of the registry. thank you, mrs. iryna, it was iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, co-chair of the faction. european solidarity in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for

those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our pages on these platforms and participate in our vote, today we ask you about this, you need absolutely the whole truth about the war from russia, yes, no, or your option, please write in the comments under this video. special forces major of the armed forces of ukraine ihor lapin joins our broadcast. major, i salute you, thank you see you on our air. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. major, chief of staff of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi wrote an article for the british edition of ecokon economist, which, well, was perceived in the west and perceived as sensational in ukraine, about the fact that the war with russia is entering a new phase, it is becoming positional. war, all predictions about a counteroffensive do not come true, ukraine, says zaluzhnyi, needs more technological

weapons that will allow to get russia and defeat russia, airplanes, quadcopters, demining technologies, otherwise, well, ukraine may not win this war, why, mr. major, he started talking about it just now, for example, not six months ago, well , let's speak frankly for... he always said that in order to win this war, even for to get to the sea , to the sea, i am not saying anymore, we are reestablishing contact with ihor lapin, i hope we will get an answer to why, in fact, an article by zuluzhny has now appeared in the economist, ihor lapin on communication, mr. major, you can hear us, yes, i can, it's just me getting off the phone, if someone is calling is losing communication, well unfortunately, nevertheless, so he talked about this before, in order to get to the sea, he needed, as he said, give

me 300 tanks, give me 600 infantry fighting vehicles there, give i have something, and in principle i will be able to complete the assigned task of going to the sea and with further other things there, but unfortunately, they say, well, yes, okay, you can attack, but we will not give you 300 tanks here, but we will you 100, and you can leave if we give you instead of 600 bmp, if we give you let's give, for example, 300, but can you... go on a counteroffensive without an advantage in the sky and in aviation , or maybe you need demining machines, or maybe we will give you less of them, air defense systems, maybe you need fewer stingers and in general, there may be fewer cartridges, you understand, it seems that it is like some kind of experiments , zaluzhny clearly said that he needed it and this was zaluzhny’s plan, unfortunately, a lot of skeptics in the west did not listen, and then they started altogether.. .other political processes, including in western countries, there and the election, there, if we go, we have

communication problems again, i hope that we now reconnect with igor lapin and continue our conversation, mr. major, yes, yes, uh, well, someone is persistent, you see, they are calling, therefore, and therefore in this situation he fulfilled the task as much as possible, again during the time when we were collecting those 300 tanks or 100 tanks and so on, during this time the russians were very seriously fortified. now as to why this article is getting so much publicity right now, well let's face it, the whole world is demanding from zelsky at least, well, tell us your peace plan, not the wrong 10-point plan , it’s not about a plan to win the war, it’s a plan, you know, who went around, ran around with those plans like a fool with a bag written off, but it’s not about the ways in which you are going to win, the strategy and so on, well, what do you want from amateurs who say that our strategy is tactics, these are the theses of zelensky in the 21st year, and we

understand that they caused sadness, regret, and the whole world stopped in our ability to endure, but we endured, and thanks to during this period, zelenskyy had the opportunity to learn for the ukrainian people to respect the military, respect the army, respect his own people , and not only to go to practice, to collect our applause, but also to restore, to put the country on the military rails, in order to put the country on military regimes, here at least a state of war must be introduced, and such a bill was registered in the parliament, but when they found out, this green team of dilettantes, when they found out that according to this law, the military will rule the roost in ukraine, they were scared, because their corruption trough will not be filled, and this bill 714 was stolen from the verkhovna rada in good faith, i cannot understand that there is only one digital trail and some screenshots, well, it should be a crime, it should be dbbr, these should be interrogations, because who from the supreme council

stole the presidential bill, well, if the president gave such an order to withdraw, well, he could have done it by withdrawing his own bill, and here it disappeared quietly, and well, they found some traces there digital, but the question is not the point is, the stumbling block has not disappeared anywhere, we need to do something further, and here the zaluzhnyi says the same thing, well, we need to deal with mobilization plans, because in the case of a civil war, mobilization plans will go ahead, then we will not breed officials and we will not during a state of war, to buy auto bags for 130 million hryvnias for the police. the state of war, we need to buy tow trucks, we need to buy weapons, and not anti-aircraft guns for the police, so that they can, whatever, our people are conscious, you see, nobody attends rallies it turns out, apart from the rallies, which the government itself organizes to attack the kyiv city council, for local communities and so on, to attack local self-government bodies, they only hold rallies, we don’t have any rallies, everyone, as they say, all rioters, all patriots, all busy with war, everyone

is busy destroying rusna and the threat from rusna. instead, we see bad leadership of the state and, in fact, the system built by yermak, the system of public administration began to collapse, well, look, volunteers are carrying drones, and they are told at customs to give a bribe, because a drone is a swindler, he said that these are dual-purpose goods , well, for example, how can this be, well, well, we are at war, a volunteer takes a drone to war, and now they can’t even start a component, a recent article is such a production enterprise , which produces drones, the squadron is called, but in butusov at the censor they said that they were transporting components and were forced to pay a bribe at customs, and if they didn’t pay, then they wouldn’t come, if they wrote a statement, based on shmyhalivska’s decision , then they wouldn't either would stop by, that is, the state puts people in such conditions that this thin pixel strip on the front today can crack, because the only people filling it today are volunteers, those procurement scandals, well, only

a lazy person didn’t talk about it, that’s why the article zaluzhnyi is just here and it applies to a lot of... many things, but the main thing is: zaluzhnyi does not get involved in political debates, he says that we need this and that for the war, and it is enough to tie us hand and foot, and then on one side , this is a signal to western partners, i have a plan, i need atakams for 300 km, somewhere, i have to read this article from a zuluzhny, it clearly spells out all the things that we need, if today with the help of technology, and for example, we drove the great powerful black sea fleet from the clouds of wealth. so we also need to win back the sky now, because otherwise we won't get anywhere in sukodol. then zaluzhnyi talks about mobilization, as i have already said, on the shoulders of those who in the first days broke the army, we will not get there, the shortfall in many units is very large, some units are not even sent to restoration, but they are disbanding, because there is nothing to restore anymore, it is true, but we have a policy like in russia, we

have no fathers, in russia there are no fathers, and we have no fathers, who invented such a thing, yermak's system, podolyak, the president's office, is running the country today, they did, they hacked the parliamentary presidential state and turned it into an office presidential state, that's all, that's all that 's happening, all that's all the consequences, and when the article is from which article, which came out in the half, she showed the weakness of today's government, those the other day, without even reading the article, after seeing the photo, at first they began to advertise it, the same yermak, this very article, and then... they began to read, oh, that’s not what it was about, and let’s remove it from the recommendation , what is this, what is this nonsense, and i will tell you, because they thought that they awarded the boy with an order, they think, well, that’s it, we bought a journalist, now everything will be fine, and i will tell you that the russian manipulative things, they well, first they give a free dose, and then they hit the very painful place, like drug addicts, you know, they plant, first the first dose is free, the second is also almost free, and