[000:00:00;00] and in ukraine there is a certain myth that we are such a rich country with rich land, resources, and so on, and we are hindered only by someone who, accordingly, steals these resources from us and does not give us the opportunity to get rich, that is, an idea is sewn into this logic about the fact that it is not necessary to work hard, you just need to remove bad people from power, put good ones in place and then everything will be fine, but in reality it does not work like that, and in actual world experience, it is about the fact that those societies are successful which are generally organized better and accordingly can create a certain national product together, because there are a lot of examples when two countries with the same resources, there, for example, even there on the island of haiti, there is a flourishing dominican republic, and there is actually a state called haiti, where just a mess has been going on for the last decades , although they are plus or minus on the same piece of being, dividing a certain island in half, so we

have a place to take a deeper and understanding approach to the issue of corruption and try to detail our attitude from the point of view whether we really have a problem, or whether it is greatly exaggerated and there is exaggerated gennadiy, well, it doesn’t matter, if there is such a perception, well, again, yes, well, we are talking about the kyiv international institute of sociology, as a social service that carried out, in particular exit polls, so we're basically there, well, let's talk about the fact that i can't verify these numbers, however, if we take them... as real, then we can talk about the fact that the perception is such, it is a certain reflection, well, of the world in which, for example, those people live in which asked this question, well, isn't it, the point is, i will say a few words quietly, with your permission, the same polls previously told us that three times more people want to change the ukrainian constitution than read it, in four many times more people say that there is corruption in the courts than

those who were actually in the courts, so i do not deny that it exists in our country, i know perfectly well, maybe better than the average ukrainian, and i see these manifestations , and in fact, as a lawyer, i encounter this periodically from the point of view of counseling, fight against this shameful phenomenon, but i am talking about exaggeration, exaggeration in the mass consciousness precisely in this connection, because we constantly, as a matter of fact, as roads, you know, that's why according to the ratings, roads in africa are supposedly better than in ukraine, because africans have a lower standard, because of such a disturbance, and they even consider their bad dirt roads there to be good, while ukrainians sometimes criticize even good asphalt, so here is a purely psychological point that can seriously hinder us later, thank you for your position, mr. valentyn, but maybe more, more public verdicts of some kind, yes, about which people will hear as a result of corruption cases, and not only suspicions and, for example , searches, probably arrests, and then releases on bail, will be able to assure people that

the situation is not so? mr. gennadiy would now popularly explain to you that release on bail is only one of these preventive measures, which has nothing to do with the admission of guilt or innocence, we simply see public searches, public suspicions, but public sentences, well, if about judgments to speak, yes, well, you can immediately mention five sentences of some kind there, or at least three sentences of top officials, i think that mr. gennadiy, as a person now familiar with the register... of court sentences, can prove the opposite to you, i just want to tell you that again, this is a kind of mythologizing, that is, if you read some sites or some telegram channels where road accidents are covered, you may get the impression that we have a simply terrible situation , but if you look at the statistics over 10 years, you will see

that in fact the number of victims in traffic accidents, well, it is close to a constant, and so the same can be said about suicide, the same can be said about most other crimes, which i also think mr. gennady can tell you much better than i can , as a person is aware, well, that is, this is also a statistic, yes, that is, every year this directory is published about what crimes, what number, in what regions, and we see that fluctuations actually occur only in certain circumstances, and are related to in certain situations, there is illegal circulation weapons, for example, well, it is clear that it is growing there, to talk about the fact that there has been an increase in the number of serious crimes there, again in separate categories, well, if you look only where it is written and spoken about, then you have one may get the impression that it is really better not to go outside, but this is formed by information tools , i repeat, and mr. dubav correctly said again, that, well, you can

turn it all around as you like, that the number of people who ... to change the constitution three times more than people who read it, and you asked, how can it be, how can it be that a third of americans believe that americans have never landed on the moon, but how can it be that nastorologists have. airs, and how can it be, if you now conducted a sociological survey, do you think that evil spirits influence the processes in ukraine, do you think there would be people who would say that from yes, i answer you, with all responsibility, there would be such people, a statistically significant number, and maybe even you would be unpleasant i was surprised, but if the question is not formulated so bluntly, yes, because everyone will still think, well, yes , in principle, i believe that some spirits really influence us, but we will still consider it stupid to say it openly, so i stick to it , and they can, if, but if you say somehow differently mediated, again, as i said above, then you will be surprised, this is again a question of political and legal culture in ukrainian society, and not only in ukrainian, it

also concerns many other countries of the world, including developed ones, you probably don't, by the way well, you haven't heard, so i'll remind you that the united states of america is the leader in terms of the number , in terms of the number of ly... among the developed countries of the world in terms of the number of people who do not accept the theory of evolution, well, that is, it's normal, yes, they really believe in a talking snake, i.e. ok, everything is ok, so i will repeat it again, this is very often a speculative wish, it does not mean that there is no such phenomenon, there is a phenomenon, there is a prerequisite for such a phenomenon, there are efforts to overcome this phenomenon, and there are also speculations on this phenomenon to achieve certain... goals, both domestic and political of foreign policy, it is necessary to understand where the real phenomenon ends, and where real steps to strengthen the fight against this phenomenon end, and where absolutely

speculative statements and attempts to use this rhetoric to gain power by certain subjects, both in the domestic political arena and in the foreign policy arena , and then it will be calmer, i say that this is magical thinking, a great pity, yes, it is inherent in our society, what can i do about it, thanks for the explanation, read books, well listen to smart people, mr. oleg, we have a somewhat philosophical discussion here right now, so i will probably also ask you a philosophical question, in your opinion, or being, is later, a significant number of these corruption cases that we are seeing now and such high-profile cases, this is evidence of more such, this... shameless total corruption , which they are trying to impose on us here and there , or after all, the active fight against corruption, which is now appearing in the public space, this is seen by society and we we see work

anti-corruption and law-enforcement bodies, what does this indicate more, or both, perhaps, briefly about both, but look, we previously discussed where there are public sentences, there are punishments, so that we can see it all and then sociology may change, well, let's remember the same china, where they are shot for this in general, and regularly enough, but corruption there is no less, and it continues to exist and in some moments even increases, so in the grand scheme of things, this is a simplified approach that we must see exclusively judgments, that's all it was quick to make it as public as possible, then we will speak there when we are in favor. survey about corruption, well, yes, we see this struggle, but , i agree with my colleagues, i would like to see the results in a different way, that for example, when we come to some kind of permit or other system, we rather do not even have to come, we

just have to communicate with the state from the smartphone and get some certificates from the car and so on, where there is no person who will mow with his left eye and show where... to put that or another bill, yes, that's why i think that corruption, it, it should not be tolerated at all levels, because i also agree with my colleagues that it seems that corruption is bad, but when i'm in this scheme, it's already it is called in a different way, so for example, if we would have asked these same people , for example, such a moment, or you, when was the last time you encountered corruption, then we saw completely different numbers than in the survey, because people have already tried it on and not everyone faces it every day, so here are all the verdicts, they should

to be, with, well, i think that after all, as much as possible, legally public, and many of these bodies, they should not overlap in their fight against corruption, because for example, there are many of them, we hear about them, so there are new people . but all the same, the efficiency we count on, and we count as viewers, readers, that it should be gallows and gallows, it is every day some corruptors, top corruptors should be hanged on these gallows, no, this cannot be , because firstly, these are legal processes, they are long, and society loses attention at a certain moment, at a certain stage , all the more so, as long as the news lives in our media, well, now it lives there, well, for a maximum of three days, yes, that is why society perceives it that way, as long as someone keeps its attention , in the plan, here we have a lot of corruption, a lot of corruption, and this is what happens every day, people believe in it, next time

, mr. gladky and i agree there, some kind of numerology or some evil spirits, if they say this every day, then in evil spirits will take us to the first place, not the russian federation, yes, that's why it is a great pity, or fortunately, we live in an information society, and well, we see that sometimes, the actions of some of our activists, again without going through what has been said, will have a negative effect, even on how people perceive the fight against corruption, because it is constantly heard that it is not enough, not those who were imprisoned, not those who were released, and it is clear that this does not have a normal effect on the psychological state of the population, and therefore people try to look for some troubles, even where there are none, so this is a very, very difficult question, and again

after all, all these organs of ours, not a simple matter, which needs more... thank you for joining in, mr. valentin, give me a reply and just a very simple reply, you know, we have a saying that fornication is a sexual act in which you do not participate, and if you do, it is already ok , so corruption is what usually happens to your political opponents, your political henchmen, can never be, and those people, those political forces, and those activists who cry louder than anyone about the need to fight corruption, only for someone from their political party gets their ass kicked or from their cohort, they start crying about what , about political persecution, remember all these stories, when the security service of ukraine visited the representatives of european solidarity at that time, and the lawyer, by the way, a colleague of mr. hennadiy, supposedly should be... a legally

literate person , but he allows himself such stupid, absolutely stupid actions that his accomplices began to tell, they said that this was political persecution, when they called, rudely speaking to the same representatives of the opzh, what started, the same thing, they said that it was a political massacre, and this despite the fact that i i repeat, during this entire period, the security service did not give any reason to talk about any kind of involvement, because , thank god, representatives of all political forces appear there, from the opposition to the pro-presidential ones, but they too, even those who are pro-presidential, or by former members and current members of the team in parliament, who cry that it was my principled position that led to the fact that apartments, cars, money and everything else were thrown at me, so i will repeat it again, it must also be realized that very it is often used as a tool for clarifying political relations in china as well, it is not a fight against corruption, it is very often politically motivated processes, yes, it’s just that they are like this, well, please,

let’s get out, that’s why it’s extreme, i wanted so that we still realize and do not fall into them, mr. gennadiy, let's take a moment to literally summarize our conversation today, so yes, if we evaluate now, let's say this, the direction of ukraine in the field of fighting corruption, as far as it is correlated as you think, it can be exaggerated or imposed there by stereotypes or, informational, informational influence that. about corruption within ukraine, relying again on the data of the kmis. well, the fact that it is exaggerated, i have no doubts, but the fact that it is a problem, i also have, as it were, a stable point of view, and this problem, it has primarily a social context, because , unfortunately, many of us situations were seen when new non-involved faces came to power, we are not talking about the last years, we are talking about even then. starting with the fifth

year in kyiv, a new team and a new mayor, everyone will be young, businessmen, and we will recover, everything turned out and it always turns out like this, not always like this, and first of all it is about the fact that in the very social stereotype of a modern person, it is not about only about ukraine, success is always associated with money, or in the vast majority of cases, when we have, respectively, at the level of average consciousness, luxury and wealth will be accordingly, at least not encouraged, but what we call pathetic service to the people will be encouraged, and other appropriate patterns of social behavior, then we can count on the fact that those who occupy the appropriate posts, which should be the best people in the state, they should ... have some recognition and recognition of their success, they will not aspire to cars, apartments, cottages and so on, thank you, gennadiy dubov, candidate of legal sciences, joined us, we understood a difficult topic, literally, valentin smooth, 30 seconds, please, because we need to move on, we will summarize, well, that is, i will repeat that the system characterizes no the presence of errors, and its reaction to these

errors, and systematically tracking this problem, i can say that in ukraine we are evolving the movement. towards the introduction of the best practices, both at the stage of preventing corruption, in particular in the field of digitalization, the same, and in terms of combating these negative phenomena, but it is necessary to understand that they are actually deeply rooted, and therefore it is not easy to simply eradicate them quickly and easily , and when a person says, you know, someone died there, roughly speaking, bad medicine, you have to to understand that, unfortunately, there are indeed methods of treatment, there are serious diseases and not always everything is possible. yes, if i want to fly into space, it does not mean that i can jump up and fly as soon as i can, that is, you have to understand that, as it were, the possible must be done today, and the impossible needs a little more time, so i am very happy about that , that at the moment the dynamics are positive and we are moving in the right direction, and that we are constantly being slandered from abroad, even

exaggerating, it can be offensive, it can be speculative, but it is also certain incentive for us to change. thank you, mr. valentin, thank you for the conversation, valentin was with us in the studio today, a smooth political scientist who regularly finds time for us and we thank you for that, we are moving on, the countries of the european union, meanwhile, are planning to reduce support for refugees from of ukraine, such intentions have already been announced in poland, germany, austria and ireland, the countries are said to complain about the excessive burden on the economy of the states and are ready to offer asylum seekers other assistance options instead. either with employment or then with benefits, but so far they have not finally decided. by the way, ukrainian refugees in ireland are paid €220 per person every sunday and provided with free housing, and now the country's government officials want to encourage refugees to rent apartments or houses at their own expense. starting next year , social benefits for ukrainians will be cut in poland,

and germany wants to follow the same path. our guest is kateryna matei, a representative of the ukrainian security center. and cooperation in germany, as well as an expert on disinformation, welcome, congratulations, so, ms. kateryna, we are talking about how the level of support for ukrainian refugees in the world has changed now, specifically you can now answer about germany, please tell me what you know, how difficult it is for ukrainians in germany now? well, these proposals, which you mentioned in the story, were introduced by finance minister lindner and his colleague from the free democratic party, buschman - this is the german minister of justice, their proposals are in question, for the german government, most of

the proposed changes will sound too radically, most likely, this will not apply to ukrainian refugees, we are talking about asylum seekers, ukrainians with the status of b who are forced to flee from military operations, but it is difficult to say for sure at the moment, on monday, in a week, there will be a meeting between scholz and the prime ministers federal lands and, in particular, the issue of migration will be discussed, in general, if we talk like this about how attitudes have probably changed there, support, perhaps from the authorities and from local residents, is muted. to ukrainian refugees from the beginning of the war and until now, yes or do you personally just humanly observe these changes? well, we have not seen any changes in the government yet, regarding ukrainians, now it is about facilitating access to work,

reducing bureaucratic procedures for recognizing professional education, because our forced immigrants have a... small percentage of employment in germany in comparison with other countries of the european union, in particular it is connected with this very bureaucracy regarding the recognition of education, but also with politics, integration courses, integration, many, for example, came last year, they we have been waiting until now, here are the queues for these courses , the society's attitude towards our people has not changed yet, but our ukrainians, our

immigrants, need to work on this so that these attitudes do not change. ms. kateryna, we have talked on our air more than once with experts on demography and migration, discussed the employment of ukrainian refugees abroad, and here the question arises as to how actively germany is currently trying to integrate ukrainian refugees into its economic market. and fix yours the demographic situation due to the fact that , in fact, the largest number of ukrainian refugees are now in germany, over a million, and yes, and germany is trying with all its might to get ukrainians, because it has created the most favorable conditions specifically for the life of ukrainians here, in my opinion, this is exactly what the policy indicates . technical and language courses, in many areas of work it is not necessary to master the language, if germany were

only interested in the employment of ukrainians now, then it would not depend so much on these courses. i can even cite a personal example experience, because of the language barrier, our forced migrants, i have regular meetings with them, their employers, to discuss certain details of their work, i often heard from one employer that his main goal, the main goal, is for this employee to stay after victory in germany, and of course in his company, it is also worth mentioning that first of all children

assimilate is trying to assimilate qualified people and people with higher education, i am convinced of this, and we all understand that this will have a negative impact on the reconstruction of ukraine, that ukraine will lose a large number of human resources, and the longer the path ... to victory, the more ukrainians will remain abroad, the aggressor country also understands this well. ms. kateryna, i still want to talk about the situation with, let's say, psychological special operations that may be aimed at germans by russia, yes, about certain narratives, that are spread by russian propaganda, in particular regarding refugees from the territory of ukraine, the bilt publication writes that russia has intensified the propaganda and information campaign. in germany, and more flexibly adapts the content of these narratives and the tonality of its

propaganda to the constantly changing realities, so do you see a certain evolution of these theses that were advanced by russian propaganda in germany, regarding ukraine, ukrainians, at the beginning of the war, and now those theses that she expresses now, have certain changes occurred in the evolution of these theses, well , i believe that the propaganda was even more more flexible at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, it now becomes more aggressive. russian narratives are primarily promoted by the peace movement that zara wagenknecht, from the party of the left, with whom she has now spoken and is creating her own party, was very cautious at first and condemned the war. of course. not the aggressor country, even after the condemnation of hostilities, narratives were promoted that

the united states of america and nato were to blame for this war. now there is no condemnation of the war, only accusations towards the usa. and the main nazi of germany, bern heckev, in his speech in the town of cowboyren emphasized that the war in ukraine is a direct war of the usa against russia and a war against germany itself and the whole of europe. it is also worth mentioning the quality of propaganda. we see that russia is putting more resources into the production of propaganda videos. they are rare, but very high quality. and high-quality visuals, they spread in social networks like a virus. thank you, ms. kateryna. in fact, the topic is much more complex and thorough. we will definitely come back to her and thank you for helping us understand this problem, because she, well, in my opinion,

not as much attention is paid in europe as we would like, kateryna. a representative of the ukrainian center for security and cooperation in germany, an expert on dzinformation. thank you for being with us. and also oleksiy, we now have one more difficult but very important topic to talk about, and i think we cannot be silent, so let's continue now, about the fact that the wave of teenage suicides happened in ukraine, during the last in the month of kyiv alone, six children's cases were recorded suicides at the beginning of october , a brother and sister were adopted in the holosiv district of the capital. jumped from the 24th floor on october 9. a double suicide took place in the capital's troeshchyna housing estate. it was committed by two 17-year-old girls. they jumped off the construction site, and a 12-year-old girl shortened her life in a week. according to statistics, on average, every year in ukraine, approximately 120 children end their lives by suicide. they most often do this at the age of 12-16, and a third of the victims are girls,

that is, the majority, as we understand, are boys, and in fact, i just remember all this uproar, which was made after the so-called game, this is blue cat, began to gain popularity in the network, yes, and we remember that this is exactly what it is, because of such discussions in the media, this game, maybe it even became more popular because parents began to pay attention to what their children are doing on their smartphones, began to talk more with their children, maybe i just wanted to add that now we are talking indirectly, that is these trends, you don't have to blame everything on them, like me, yes, that is, we really need to talk more with the child, because if we shift all responsibility directly to a specific game and to it, to those who started it, then we really limit a lot, well, the understanding of our child, if we simply monitor whether

she doesn't have a chat on her phone called blue cat , let's not pay attention to anything else, because tetyana serebryanska will tell us more about how to prevent the problem, how to properly communicate with your child on such difficult topics, teacher, psychologist. mrs. tetiana, please tell me, have we discussed this wave of teenage suicides of children, is there any systematicity in this, what can these stories be connected with, and in your opinion, what could be the reason, well, it is important to understand that... it's a problem, and usually it's multifactorial in nature, and we can list here some of the possible factors that influence the increase in teen suicide, and first of all, it's going to be mental problems, it's depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, nobody really did not cancel these diagnoses in children.

the next is social pressure, here we include bullying, the internet, internet content that affects the self-esteem of the child, and the third is family problems, conflicts, divorce, violence in the family and the like. and the fourth, i would note, is access to lethal means, such as weapons, medicines and drugs. well, i think that in order to minimize such phenomena, it is necessary to work in a team, parents, teachers, school, institution, and also society in general, to improve such psychological literacy, well, ms. tatyana, we are speaking more generally now, let's try, we have a time limit, however , i would like to hear from you some practical recommendations for parents who are now looking at us, yes, that is, what exactly it is worth paying attention in order to understand that the child just needs support now, because not every child can openly talk about it with their parents, and then probably,

unfortunately, sometimes we see such a result in the form of... suicide, well, actually, i am would recommend paying attention to the child's behavior , every mother and every parent knows where the child behaves naturally, and where his behavior goes beyond some limits, and it can be just as withdrawn, it can be refusal to eat, disturbed sleep, there are many factors that affect these things. and i think that in such cases it is necessary to contact a specialist, because this is a problem that only a specialist can help solve, and we as parents should not press, as parents, the school has this problem, let's say yes, select and send to work as a specialist. mrs. tetyana, now the country