[000:00:00;00] russia, and i mean not only the war in ukraine, or the aggression against us, but also what russia has done on the territory of the united states, this is interference in the elections earlier, and all kinds of such, you know, measures aimed at humiliating the americans, and in general, the atmosphere that currently prevails in the territory of russia, such anti-americanism, as you already know, is reminiscent of the best times of the former soviet union. of the union , if, to say the least, uh, well, what about this surge of anti-semitism that we are currently witnessing in russia, and it is not only makhachkala airport, there are many other things, well, it is enough to open the internet there, and you will see there dozens, if not hundreds of examples of what is happening in russia in relation to the jews, and this is of course very carefully perceived, and in

the united states, even more so ...let's not forget the very powerful jewish lobby in this country, they're all watching and seeing and following closely, and i 'm sure it's all being carried over to american politicians as well, even to those who don't particularly follow there according to the news, on the territory of russia, so i think that this one influence, although it exists, but it is much more now. smaller and it should not be paid such increased attention, on the other hand, we must state that in american politics, and in both parties, and in the democratic, republican, there is a certain group or certain groups of people, eh, if you take the democrats, this is such a left wing, these are the people, by the way, these are precisely the people who have

some influence on a number of... american print publications, such as the washington post, new york times, politico, well on our fortunately, time magazine or the economist are not included, but these publications, they almost constantly write such, well, quite ambiguous materials about ukraine, on the other hand, there is such, well, the extreme right wing of the republicans. it is also small, and these are not only trumpists or pro-trumpists, but these are people who want , well, they are not so much in favor of russia , as they do not want, well, some extra funds to go to ukraine, you know, for them, maybe even, well , i am not afraid to say that ukraine is still associated to a certain extent as a part of something

such who, there is russia, you know, such tereincognita, that is, what they are not interested in, let's say, and they don't really want this topic to be given such increased attention as it is now, well, from the american administration, so this influence there are from all sides, but the main thing for us is, you know, i asked a direct question to mr. herbs today during this broadcast, which i mentioned. former ambassador in kyiv, should we really be afraid of, well , the disappearance or undermining of this bipartisan support in the united states, about which we talk a lot years, and we are proud, he said that no, not at all, because those camps, well , the camp of the republican parties, which are not anti-ukrainian, but, well, not at all

pro-ukrainian, he makes... in principle, well, no i know, two dozen people, and although they are, of course, so vocal, they influence many things, but in no way can they influence ukraine to lose bipartisan support or parties, let's say support from the republican party, just us, we need to do some, let's say additional steps, i mean in the internal politics, this is the fight against corruption, and some other things, we have a whole series of unresolved issues with the americans. i will say to the former ambassador that, you know, these issues or problems have been going on for more than a dozen years, these are our debts, this is the situation around the motorsich, by the way, which we sold to the chinese, and since then we do not know what happened to it to do, but there were american companies that wanted to take over the marsitor package, why we did not go for it, i do not know, by the way, this does not concern the current government, but some former authorities of ukraine,

let's say so. there is another question, the huge board of the booyn company, that is, all this does not contribute at all to such a, you know, normal positive climate, for example, in the relations between our businesses. and american business has a very strong influence on american politics , so we need to take some steps so that we really do not have a strategic partnership on paper, but in reality, and then we will be able to solve many more problems than we even imagine , well, regarding the motor, mr. volodymyr, maybe ukraine sold the control unit to the chinese there package, because in the boguslai principle, he is already accused of treason and has always worked for russia. therefore, in principle, this is probably, well, in one way or another, there was a decision, including when the project manager, i do n’t know what status he was there, he was a people’s deputy of ukraine, so maybe the americans didn’t get the motorsich exclusively

due to the fact that boguslaev was an agent of the russian federation, he simply worked in the interests of the chinese, the economy, the chinese military-industrial complex, i would rather say that, but i will tell you so, sir sergey, you are... in principle right, but if our government had the desire, it would be possible to overcome even the opposition and boguslaev, this month there will be a meeting between joseph biden and xi jinping in san francisco, there will be a summit of asia-pacific economic cooperation ats, this meeting has already been planned, the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china has confirmed this, on the eve of this meeting, xijin pin made it clear that the american. that china is ready to say that china and the united states of america are ready to take responsibility for the future of humanity,

as it was said in one of the congratulatory letters signed by xi jinping, the american-chinese summit, putin is constantly talking and talking about the fact that this multipolarity should be in the world, this is the main thing that the master of the kremlin strives for, but judging by the fact that wants...' xi jinping, he still wants two poles in the world , the strongest, china and the united states of america, and they will divide the world and be responsible for the future of humanity, respectively, what do you say about the prospect of this meeting in in the context of what will happen next russia, because it directly concerns us, it seems to me that after this meeting, russia will be pushed even further to the... edge , let's say, of international politics, no matter how much putin would like to remain at least some pole there, or second, or third, or first , well, not the first, well, but still, he probably wants to be the second, not the third, but i think that he

will not be the third soon, eh, that is, on the one hand, well, it is not very good from the point of view of geopolitics, that we are again, at least in words, returning to a bipolar world, but from the other side. fine, that, well, there is no russia in this polarity anymore, and really, you know, i remember one quote said by the famous politician medvedev, who for some reason recently disappeared from twitter, and instagram or where he wrote, something, apparently, he has another disease, he then said that russia... has, let's say, three pillars on which it stands, the first is a thousand-year history, the second is nuclear weapons, and the third is a permanent seat in the security council, well, in relation to history, they say, let

historians judge, i don't think that many people in the world, except for russia itself, with this thesis agree, regarding nuclear weapons, it seems to me, well, that there is nothing left there except for threats, and regarding the permanent place of the security ritual, it is so in russia, but everything is going to the point that it will get rid of this place very quickly, if will continue the behavior it is conducting today, so i think that today russia is much further from this desired pole in the confrontation with the rest of the world than. er, it is actually, and as for your question about what to expect from this meeting, i think that well, the very fact that it will be held, that it is being held, indicates that documents and agreements have already been worked out there,

because otherwise it simply wouldn't have happened, at such a level between such countries it doesn't just happen a meeting for the sake of a handshake there and some kind of protocol dinner there, or if there will be a meeting, then there are already draft decisions, and all decisions will concern, it seems to me, first of all, such purely bilateral issues, between the united states and china, first of all this refers to the economic, financial sphere, technology, bilateral trade, which today, if i'm not mistaken, is already more than 1 trillion dollars, thank you, in comparison , for example, with trade vladimir, we, we just have to finish, sorry, i'm going off the air, just, sorry once again, thank you for participating in the program, it was volodymyr yelchenko, politician and diplomat. a person who knows everything, or practically everything, about international politics.

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of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces valery zaluzhnyi in an interview with the british publication economist, to which attention is currently drawn in politicians and experts, and here in these materials, i am well convinced that the war with russia, in its current form, namely in a positional or entrenched state, cannot be won with weapons of the past generation and outdated methods. so now, along with the interview, the economist also published a large essay by a ukrainian general entitled modern positional war and how to win in it? and in this, directions are determined, how to get out of this trap of a protracted war on exhaustion, according to zaluzhny, ukraine needs air superiority, it is manned aircraft as well as unmanned systems of various purposes, it is improved means of radio-electronic warfare, it is strengthened

counter-battery capabilities, the fourth is new demining technologies, and the fifth priority is the ability to mobilize and qualitatively: to train more people, about how it will be implemented and in what period of time, and what additional questions are raised by this vision of valery zaluzhny, given the current state and likely dynamics changes in the war with the russian federation and the reaction of our partners to the course of hostilities. we will talk about all this in our program with professional experts and our industrialists. my name is serhii zgurets, i am... the director of the defense express information and consulting company, which is currently working together with the spresso company to highlight the most relevant defense industrial, military and military trends. and now we are joined by our guest, oleksiy ezhik, an expert of the national institute of strategic

studies. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you. now we establish a connection, and while we are doing this, then i will go in more detail along the directions that valery zaluzhnyi outlined as technological things that are primarily necessary in order to ensure a technological advantage over the enemy, to mix various technological solutions in order to not to be in danger of such a positional war, into which it is now sliding, first of all valery zaluzhnyi spoke about dominance in the air, but the issue of dominance in the air is not so much the number of fighters and planes, because for this time, the enemy has strengthened air defense and the existing composition of the russian federation's aviation complexes, in a certain way can neutralize, of course, the appearance of those f-16s that we have been waiting for so long, and

therefore, according to valery zluzhny, we should bet on various variations of the use of unmanned aerial vehicles complexes that can affect the russian counter-defense and other factors, and now to us, we will talk about it in more detail with our guest, who will represent the sector of unmanned systems that are being developed in ukraine, and now to us oleksiy yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies joins in. oleksiy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you, dobzeim, i congratulate you, i am sure that you have read valery zaluzhny's interview in detail. with that sss, which determines the technological priorities, in the opinion of the general, related to the exit, the war from positional to dynamic, at the next stage, and first of all i would still like to start with your assessments of whether this article and

materials appeared on time, and what consequences it may have, because some say it is untimely, because the mention about the impasse, it actually fools our partners, they say that they gave a lot of weapons, there are no results, while others say that the opposite is true, because this is just a demonstration of what stage we are at, and what measures need to be taken in order to really have dynamics on the fronts is as we expect, your assessments of the time and consequences of these materials, well, it seems to me, after all , timely, and it seems to me, after all, that this is not so much the initiative of general zaluzhnyi, there, there is the name of the article, his... . is called by invitation, it's just that our partners want to understand what is happening and the fact that there is a rumor somewhere on the sidelines for a long time that there is no such thing. visible changes on the battlefield, well, i think it is better to say now that

there is, there is a positional war, there is a fact of a positional war, than, than to wait until such negative rumors start, until they start, conspiracy theories of what is happening, it is better was, i think, to say, and yet, what is said, there , i will say, there are not even two articles, there are three articles, there is an actual interview, an essay and an own assessment of the economist, well, such an overview, what is happening now, and there in the same issue at the same time it was said what to do with israel, there were recommendations, another front of the same global war. it seems to me that it is still timely, the article is not negative , i think there is nothing there that... our partners did not see and did not understand, i think that everything that was said there, after all, was spoken with by our partners, and at the level

of planning and various formats, and therefore i think it is just that, well, you can say, it is strategic communication, an explanation to a wide in general, who, what will be the next stage of this war, there are no thoughts that the de-occupation is over, there is no such thing, it is clear there. it is said that what must be done to win on the battlefield, and there is an additional emphasis on the culpability, it seems to me important, there is everything there is that, but the economist ended not with what should be done technologically, but with what in the first world war , in fact, the victory was not there, and the technologies were too slow, and politicians intervened, one of the empires collapsed, well, the empire, it was not called the german empire, but it simply fell apart, although they were winning and stood near paris, little by little they will go to paris, and then

something happened to them, well, that is, there i would say, this is such an optimistic positive, a moderate positive, that's why i i think it is still in time, we all now understand what to do and how to do it, that is, in fact, you believe that the material is quite, if not optimistic, then... and it should not, in particular, create any negative perception in ukrainian society that they say we stuck there in the choice of a dead end and then actually, well, that's it we will wait when we will ensure these technological advantages, technological advantages yes, well, there are quite specific things being said, and it seems to me, just like a year ago, it seems that there was also an article in the economist about an order, it was ordered. to our partners for the 23rd year, if we speak politically, here is the meaning of this article, there was such an article, i think, in

december or november of last year, there was this order that ukraine needed, it said to reach mariupol, that , what is needed for this, now general zaluzhny said that, well, we are grateful, but unfortunately, it is untimely and technologies change and russia has managed a lot, now another order, it is not more, not what was wrong, but it is just the same, i would perceive it this way, a new order for new year, what is needed to win is in the context of a global war with israel, if you look at how this issue is being discussed, and this is simultaneously with the processes that are going on in the congress of the united states in relation to the aid vote, i think there is still they will still accept this help, one way or another, and even, well, different ones the powers that be say there will be help. but this aid, under this aid it has already been said, well, what should it be spent on, so i think

, after all, well, you can't say that it's all good, no, the situation is really bad in the sense that we will have to go through more one winter, a very difficult winter , but it's not what it seems, there's no hint of it, and there's a way out of the situation, i... i think it's still, i'd say it's positively, nevertheless, and then the question arises, how to find this way out, because relatively speaking, we really, that is there is your version that, conditionally speaking, this is a request for a new format of aid, that it is not only about the samples of equipment that are ineffective in the conditions of a new war, it is necessary to look for a combination of technologies, tactics in order to create new prerequisites for the transition to maneuver warfare as such. but then the question arises that our partners will also have to rebuild concepts and help ukraine in those technological solutions where they

can help more than we can ourselves. this means that the format of assistance for the nearest time, it should be measured not only by the amount of ammunition and tanks transferred, this means that our partners then also have to reformat reformat the vision of further cooperation with ukraine as such, well , i would like to hope that this essay, which appeared there on the economist, it first appeared with our partners, in principle , they are probably working on the same thing there, it is not a secret for anyone that even there 10 years ago, apparently, tourists were talking when they found themselves in moscow, somewhere in the administrative building, they found out on their gadget that they were somewhere in sherimetieva, we haven’t heard about haimars and procalibur for a long time, well, it’s known that with enough, cheap enough chinese means, you can deploy a system that

changes the gps signal, and there you can actually solve this issue with the help of foreign stations, the most such an important area of ​​the world, europe, the united states has these ground stations, but there is a certain policy of the united states, not to give too clear a ground signal, well, to unreliable countries, well, this is an element of such technological cooperation, if you can say so, well, there is a hint, this issue is being resolved , i think, and the united states, if they provided us with atakus, which are also... which are also oriented gps signal, i think this issue was partially, at least resolved, before that , how do we provide these, these weapons , so i think there is a part that our partners have to solve when they already deliver weapons there, this is what is said about the reliability of drone control, secure

control channels and, well, those systems that rely on gps, there is nothing like that here, there are questions that i have, we have to solve it ourselves, regarding, as i understand it, well, there is no technology in the world that allows you to easily pass minifields 20 km deep, which are constantly replenished with these means of automatic mining, then there are also hints here and there, i think this is something that ukraine itself should work on , well, the problem here may be that help is needed and help is needed in where ... exactly to create these means, taking into account the fact that ukraine is under attack, perhaps on the territory of our partners, but in general , the list that is there after all, it is specific, there are specific hints that how the issues are resolved, i think more than that, the part, if it became public , or if this list was brand new,

no one had seen it, and we 've seen it now, i would say it's probably wrong. it is not necessary to make political statements regarding technological military solutions that are not yet in development, but if this, if everything is done correctly, i think everything is done correctly, then at first all these directions began to be developed, reached a certain limit, prophet, development, and now there is simply strategic communication to explain what will be next phase of the war, of course, i am telling an ideal picture, but i want to believe in this ... real picture, i have the right to believe in it and tell it, maybe i am wrong, but still, between, between zero and what i say, well, if it's 70%, then it's good. oleksii, there are five directions, four of them really are technological, that’s right, reb, mine clearance, counter-battery warfare, unmanned complexes, and each direction, if it is technological with new projects, then

the implementation time is uncertain, that is, we are not we can guarantee what time we are there will we get some decisions there that will really affect the battlefield, or does that mean that we then have an uncertainty factor as to when we will ensure that those decisions are integrated, and thus a question of positional warfare until technological solutions come to our rescue , becomes such a factor that we will have to take into account and act for a certain time in the conditions of such trench warfare as we are currently acting in the confrontation with the russian federation. well, as far as i understand, even trench warfare does not lead to defeat, already next year, there it is simply said that strategically, if the retaliatory war continues, as in the first world war, then russia wins in such a war because of its mass, but i think that it is still not in question that there are two months before the new year in order to decide these questions, of course one must

accept that there is uncertainty, otherwise there would be no need for such strategic...