hirudenko, let's watch together, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. a hellish night in ukraine, last night russia attacked almost all regions of the country with a drone. dmytro kuleba does not rule out that presidential and verkhovna rada elections will be held in ukraine in the spring of 2020. pseudo-historian putin continues to claim that ukraine never existed. today in the program. consequences of the night drone attack on ukraine, what russia wanted to achieve. zaluzhny told the bitter truth about the future of the war through the eyes of the chief of staff of the armed forces of ukraine. how the commander-in-chief's new article could affect the west.

israel's ground operation: can the idf clear the gas strip? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests, people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy goncharenko, director of the center for near-skid studies ihor simivolos and political expert volodymyr tsibulko. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of the night attack by drones of the russian federation on the night of the 3rd: in november, in total, the ukrainian air defense forces managed to shoot down 24 drones, unfortunately, there were also hits, in kharkiv sto was burned as a result of the attack, cars were on fire, houses were destroyed, the hundred-year-old college was also hit, we are looking at the consequences of the night attack.

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greetings, today, mr. oleksiy, the president, or rather, the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba stated that president zelensky is considering the possibility of holding elections during martial law, he stated this in an interview with skynews, he said that, that such elections could definitely take place in the spring of 2024, why do you think your office is torpedoing the topic possible elections during the war? in fact, this is a very dangerous trend. and it seems to me that zelenskyi is increasingly taking a course, instead of promising the society a victory in the war, he wants to exchange it for his own victory in the elections, because, first of all, we have the legislation of ukraine, which clearly prohibits the holding of elections, under the time of martial law, and this is important not only from a legal point of view, but it is also important from the point of view of common sense, well, we all see, you showed

videos of russian attacks and we all saw a terrible disaster in the village of groza , kharkiv region, when one rocket killed almost a third of the village there. how can elections be held in such conditions? elections are not just about putting a cross in some ballots, well, if these are elections, then we can say that elections are also taking place in the russian federation. elections are a democratic process, they are debates, discussions, meetings with voters. so how to organize all this in the current security conditions? that is, both from the point of view of the law and from the point of view of common sense, these elections are not... unacceptable, and in general, the country cannot be divided now, elections are always a division, this is a normal division, it is when people are divided according to their political preferences, but we are now at such a moment when we need not division, but unity, so i hope

, that this is what we see, no, they really want to hold elections, but i hope that they know, the reaction of society to these trial layers of theirs, about sorry for the word to promote, elections in such conditions, will stop them, and let them do their work , and let them deal with their contribution, very much an important contribution that they can make to the victory of ukraine. is it true that zelensky is in a hurry with the elections because he understands that he is responsible for the situation in the country and for the situation at the front, which, as evidenced by the publication in tiy magazine and in the newspaper zamist, is not quite... a simple situation, and in this is how zelsky is trying to hurry while he still has the trust of the citizens of ukraine, and in this way, he wants to convert this trust into a second presidential term as soon as possible, well, it seems that this is exactly what he wants to do, except moreover, he wants to take the opportunity, but there is

espresso tv, thank you for being a free media that shows different points of view, but let's be objective, which is more often. well, for example, the airwaves in ukraine are occupied by a national telethon, which is completely controlled by the government, then it is probably the dream of any government in the world to hold elections, when you control the media space, then you can construct anything there, but it is very far from democracy, and democracy you can't call it, it's obvious that you can't do two things at the same time, work for victory and elections, well, that is, it is impossible, and when zelenskyi said that the day of the election we must first win, and today the conversations begin, and look how they throw it, kuleba, danilov, someone else there, stefanchuk, that is, they release such

, let's say the second row, people, speakers, representatives of the government, who, as it were, pumped up the society, and feeling the reaction, well , zelensky himself should come out next, by the way, i will tell you, i know how they want to sell it to the society, how to explain, because society asks, why elections, who, who demands elections, i am the opposition, i do not demand elections, the government, well, you are already the government, but who demands elections, ukrainian people, well, society does not demand elections, all polls show that society is against elections during hostilities, yes who is demanding elections, and zelskyi and the president's office are going to say that this is a measure, that is what the western partners demand from us. i want to say right away, this is a lie, no statements from the west, i communicate with many western politicians, i communicate with the ambassadors of the g7 countries, very actively, and i can say there are no requirements for ukraine to hold elections during the war, so if you

are told something that this measure requires, just understand that it is an apology and an attempt, as it were, to cover one's own desire... like a requirement of the measure. mr. oleksiy, this week a column of the opportunist appeared in zaikonmist, where he tells the truth, or let's say, as frankly as possible about what is happening at the front, about the fact that there will not be a quick counteroffensive, and stated that the situation at the front rested on blind spot how do you rate? this statement of zaluzhnyi and what does it mean for the future of ukraine? well, it is really important, you wrote correctly, a serious conversation. society, by the way, i can thank zaluzhny for that, because ukrainian society is very mature, we are, unfortunately, i would like us not to be so mature, but look, over the past 20 years, ukraine has experienced two revolutions, two invasions, one one of them is full-scale, and the pandemic, well, like

the whole world, this is 20 years from now, that is, we have already seen it, sorry for everything, so i think that we should be talked to as adults, and ukrainians deserve it. zaluzhne conducts such a conversation, well, we have all heard these stories that we will drink coffee in crimea, zaluzhne admits his mistake, this is also, by the way, for me, it is important when a person can admit a mistake. says that he misjudged russia, admits that there is no success in the counteroffensive, it is difficult to call 17 km of advance a success, although this is all and it was given at a very high price, and we also know this, and zaluzhnyi also speaks about this, so this is an important recognition of reality , because you can close your eyes from reality for a long time, but that's usually it ends badly, so the fact that zaluz doesn't look at reality as it is with open eyes is very good, and what he says society, well, it's bad that such

a reality is, but it's good that, well, we're about it let's talk, and not try to pretend that all this is not there, this article has a very important message for the west, and this message is also such for us, well, actually dangerous, this message sounds as follows, no one has stopped putin yet, very, so that there is such an impression in the west that it is like, well, not in russia we have succeeded, to what extent, you know, relatively speaking, there is that part of ukraine, a smaller part of ukraine, no, zaluzhny says, we have not stopped putin yet, and russia is a serious adversary, and an adversary that draws conclusions and tries to adapt to the situation , and use it to your advantage, and this is a very important message, that dear event, dear partners, please give us today what we need, and then

the usurer specifically lists it, there are five factors, this is an advantage in in the air, planes, drones, this is a counter-battery fight modern, this demining is modern, this is the training of our units and this is radio-electronic warfare, he names five components and says, we need them now, there is a very important moment when the zaluzhny talks about the fact that this is the west with his procrastination, when there is a west for a long time pondered how to give us, whether to give us tanks, well, while the west was delaying, russia was preparing for these tanks, building fortifications, grasping, mining, and now we see all this, we saw, especially there in the work at vrb, on the southern front, today, when the west hesitated for a long time, finally decided to provide us with f-16s, we don't know how many yet, but the good man says, well, when they will arrive. next spring, russia will be ready for this, so this is an important message

, very necessary, and i can say there that for a year and a half, i have been saying this to all western partners, that if you follow putin all the time, not if you catch up with putin, then you will never defeat him, we will never defeat him, there we have to take a step ahead of him, and then we will defeat him, then this message from the industrious is important, another message from the industrious. in this the article is a message no longer to the outside world, but to ukraine. he says, first of all, that it is necessary to tell the truth, and this is also a salute to the national telethon, on which, well , it cannot be called the truth, what is told there, and he says that all that he listed these p there are components, it is very desirable that all of this is produced in ukraine to a large extent, a dedicated military man, he is not a politician, and he is not a manager, not a government official, and he tells me... it is necessary, but let's be honest, ukraine with this task for the moment, it did not cope, and our government did not cope with it

did not manage, we continue to depend, well, almost totally on our partners, where the mass production of ukrainian drones, where the mass production of ukrainian radio electronic warfare, what zaluzhne says is necessary for our victory, if we want to achieve it, so, well, it is very an important article, it is not easy, it is not the kind of article that causes admiration and joy, it is an article that causes difficult thoughts, serious reflections, but it is necessary, because only in a serious adult conversation can you come to the right conclusions, and this adult and serious one conversation heard already in washington, well, at least there is a reaction of the coordinator of strategic communications of the national security council of the white house, john kirby, to the article of the zaluzhny, let's hear it. ukrainian leaders have the right to talk about their progress or

lack thereof. i think this underscores how important it is that we continue to support ukraine. we are developing and have already evolved in the context of what we will provide ukraine with, just as the war itself developed. and i suspect that this process will continue. it would be great for us it is easier to do this if congress approved additional funding to support ukraine, because it is not only about ukraine's capabilities. a lot of that goes to restocking for the us, for our own stockpile. in the united states of america, they heard what zaluzhny said, what zelensky said in the article. or simon shuster, have they heard in ukraine what zaluzhnyi says and what zelenskyy says, because communication with society is too important so that society understands that this war will not end today or tomorrow, and that it is necessary

a large mobilization resource, which, by the way, the same lazy person talks about, it is necessary to rearrange the economy and put the obvious economy on the military rails, why do you think... there is no such serious conversation between the ukrainian authorities and ukrainian society, this is a huge problem, you know, i still i will draw such a difference between the article in time magazine and the economist, he is diligent, he knows, well, in any case, he thinks, and he gives us his opinion, he answers the question, what does he think? still need to be done times, it is necessary to do, an article in the magazine time about the fact that zelensky simply believes, faith is very important, faith is not, well, an extremely important part of success, but you cannot just go on faith, you must do, there must be

concrete actions , and that's why, when zelenskyi believes, in the same article. it is said, well, that he could not remove reznikov for six months , by which everything was already obvious to everyone, when he cannot curb the corrupt appetites of his own entourage, this is directly stated in the magazine time, we generally understand, well, how much this, well, this article in tym magazine, it is very dangerous for ukraine, i do not blame journalists here, journalists are journalists, they are doing their job, but this magazine is about this american magazine, and now let's take it, yes, just put ourselves instead of the americans, they are told, we must give money to the country, which, according to what they write in their leading magazine, steals like there is no tomorrow, i am quoting from the magazine the magazine time, well, it is a disaster, that is, and it is

obvious , that this is such a pass. those who says, yes, what is there in ukraine, why should we send our money to ukraine, take it away from a resident of oklahoma, arizona, ohio, send it to a country where someone will simply steal it and put it in their pocket, and that is why it is very, it is not a bell , this is a very serious call that requires an immediate response from zelskyi, to be honest, that is what zelskyi is doing after several days. pretending that there is no such article, but there is no useful article, we have some bravura statements one after the other in this evening address, it is very sad, this raises the question of the adequacy of zelenskyi himself, no more and no less , because the situation is very complex, this situation requires mature conversation and serious decisions,

within ukraine, and only he can make them, he will also... the system of power that today all the power is in his hands, well then he should directly use it today in order to stop those very dangerous trends in which we are. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the inclusion, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are live on the espresso tv channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please vote in our poll, we are asking you today. about such things, are you ready for a long-term war with russia, yes, no, or your option , please write in the comments under this video, and don't be stingy, please like this video so that it progresses in youtube trends . next , ihor simivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, will be in touch. mr. igor, i am you

congratulations and glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you too. mr. igor, today is the third time in the last month. the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, flew to israel, dissatisfaction with israel's operation in gas is growing, and blinken is still trying to find the golden mean, when israel will fulfill its plan, and the surrounding world, especially the arab world, will not perceive it so harshly military operation of the israeli army in the gaza sector. how do you currently assess the prospects for the development of this war hamas against israel or israel now against hamas. in arab-israeli and the expansion of the conflict in the middle east.

well, i can say that it will be difficult to find opportunities for blinken, because israel, at least now, is not ready to make any concessions, and rather they want to use this moment to effectively... solve most of the problems that they face them in connection with the palestinian-israeli conflict, and this cannot help but affect, objectively speaking , the situation in us, cannot affect, objectively speaking, the situation with, relations with the arab countries, because every day of this operation, the shelling, the deaths, they heat up the arab street and create pressure, serious pressure on even moderate governments that

are interested in cooperating with the americans. blinken has already made a statement about what he wants to say to the israeli leadership and how he sees the future resolution of this conflict, let's listen to blinken. we are fully focused on getting the hostages back, returning them to their families safely, and we believe that among other things , the humanitarian pause can help with that efforts, to facilitate them, that's one of the reasons we're focused on, but regardless, our determination to bring people back is evident every day in our efforts to do just that, and as i 've said many times and president biden has said, we strongly... we support israel has a right and a duty to defend itself, to defend its people and to take the necessary measures to try to ensure that this will never happen again, nothing, nothing

has changed and it will not, mr. igor, what, what does it mean to guarantee that it never has happened again, that is, the complete destruction of hamas, or what should happen so that october 7 does not happen again in israel? well, obviously yes, obviously yes, obviously we are talking about the complete destruction of hamas as a political structure, a military structure and the like, because i cannot interpret his words otherwise, and as for not repeating them, of course i can fantasize here about that in the end the arab-israeli conflict will be resolved, and both countries, both peoples will have their own states and no more... there will be no grounds for such conflicts, but it is rather such my fantasies than reality.

mr. igor, is there any other option for israel in this situation than the option they have chosen, the complete destruction of hamas, entering the gaza strip and destroying these underground passages, hamas, all these bunkers that are there, is there any other option, specifically for israel? i know, maybe there is, but i don't see it, i think that in principle israel is put in such a situation that they cannot but respond with a ground operation, according to everyone, risking in the future very big problems in relations there, with global rooster, the leader of the military-political lebanese shiite movement hezbollah , hassan nasrallah, called on arab and islamic countries to cut ties with israel and recall ambassadors for enlargement in connection with the expansion of the conflict in the middle east, let's hear what

he had to say. the concern is that this situation could explode into a new conflict or turn into a full-scale war. this can really happen, and the enemy must be ready for it. what is happening on our fronts is very important and influential, it seems that some want hezbollah to go to war with the enemy quickly and may take what is happening at the borders a little conservatively, but we see that it is very important, large-scale and impactful. when in the united states of america they talk about a new message of evil, they say there is iran , there is china, there is the russian federation, this is a new message of evil, how this new message of evil is now... becoming what is happening in the middle east, in whom, what is the profit in this situation, i.e. separately putin, separately in iran, the leaders

of iran, and separately the leaders of china, i.e. what these representatives of this axis of evil that they are getting as a result of the conflict in the middle east, well notice that no, hezbollah, hassan dasrallah, and the supreme leader of khamenei, and all their statements indicate that they do not really want to join into a conflict, that is, they demonstrate readiness, they shake their hands, tell, er, about the fact that today and tomorrow it will happen, but then they make a note clearly stating that if they are attacked, if this is a circumstance and therefore similar, and this testifies to the fact that both iran and other shiites are actively using the palestinians simply in their plans, and their plans are to inflict a strategic defeat on the americans in the middle

east, to prevent the formation. and anti, let's say, security, security alliances that restrained the expansion of iran, that is, in this case, of course, i am alluding to the negotiations that took place between israel, the united states of america and, and for them, this situation is ideal, that is, on the one hand, the arab , raise, in arabic rises. and the arab countries are forced to react in some way, and the shiites can to stand aside and rub because everything is for them, but what about china, russia , the strategic goals are the same there, remember, on the first day of the conflict, putin spoke and said, on monday, the first monday after the beginning of the conflict, and he

declared that the united states of america had lost in the middle east, that they could not implement their strategy, and this is exactly what putin is saying absolutely, clearly and clearly, this message, actually aimed at the strategic defeat of the states, to the chinese negotiations with the americans are necessary, but necessary negotiations on their own terms and in a position where the americans feel... such a need and do not feel strong and therefore this situation is also beneficial to them, you say that hezbollah is waiting there, when the united states of america will be defeated in the middle east, in general, is it possible when two aircraft carrier groups are standing near the shores of israel and have such a power that, in fact, they leave no

stone unturned. in the east, the problem is not that the americans can lose physically, but in the near east, successful politics is the building of alliances, and it is the support of the members of this alliance so that they prevent the development of negative trends, or let's say the spread of terrorism, the spread of islamic... er fundamentalism, extremism, or there islamism and shia, let's say fundamentalism, that is, fathers specific goals can unite countries with different ethnic religious groups in the middle east, but in order to achieve this, at a minimum , these countries need to feel the power of america, that america can... implement

difficult questions, because it is not difficult to strike, then what to do after the strikes to occupy the gas is not difficult, and what to do after the gas is occupied, that is, the father of the questions that are in the constant attention of the administration of the united states of america , and without which it is impossible to solve any conflict in the middle east. today, vladimir putin once again repeated the fact that the ukrainians allegedly sell weapons to the middle east, however, for some reason he mentioned the taliban, although the taliban are in afghanistan, and not in the middle east, well, but he has problems with history, with geography, he constantly talks about the fact that the weapons that come to ukraine end up in the middle east, and this is this fake about the fact that weapons are there walks from ukraine to the middle east, she is quite active.