[000:00:00;00] so are the russian oppositionists, and this hope keeps a certain part of the elite there from coming to the side of good there and negotiating with the west, and it keeps the opposition from supporting the russian military units that, together with the ssu, are fighting against this aggression, this is a very important matter, and it is there in the west that it is necessary to explain to everyone that it is dangerous, and please stop all these conversations about the fact that we will sit down and negotiate, and ukraine will never agree to this. as far as can be considered that when xi jinping will travel to san francisco in just a few days to discuss with joseph biden that he will be an advocate of putin's position. do you think russia will use china or china russia in such a

situation? no, i believe that xidianping, well, the chinese in general, they never, and no one there , no, they do not help, and they are not lawyers for anyone, they have their own interest, they are always focused on their own interests, their attitude to this war that if it does not end, they will win, because if putin wins, the way will be open for them to capture and taiwan, and if putin loses, then russia will disintegrate , well, anyway, even if it will not disintegrate, but the influence of china in siberia will spread, and this, there are natural resources and all that,

that is, they just sit on the banks of the amur river and wait for the coffin of their enemy to float past them, and on the part of the united states, they are interested in the fact that the united states does not interfere too much in this conflict, because it is dangerous for china itself. and tell me, please, where you are now in washington, what positions do you see, there have been changes in the american elite regarding aid to ukraine, you can say that something has become worse , well, there are many changes, now the main issue is the issue of the budget of this monetary aid, which is provided for in the bill from the administration of president biden, and there is a related issue israel and ukraine, and now there is such a quarrel that there are certain trumpists, they want to solve this issue, and that there should be a separate issue of ukraine and a separate

issue of israel, and the democrats insist that... these issues should be yazane, but republicans, they ask a very fair question as well, this is how this war will end, and here it is our job to explain this and give this vision. thank you, thank you, mr. ilya, ilya ponomav, russian oppositionist, former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, was on our air, we talked about what is happening with the russian political. processes, moreover, indeed, i think that we heard from mr. panovarov a detailed explanation of why they are constantly trying to make him almost the organizers of those terrible performances that ended in the end, the storming of the airport in the dagestan capital of makhachkala, storming with anti-sem slogans, by the way, the russian political authorities led by the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin

, reacted quite mildly. to these actions of rioters, who associated themselves with the most terrible terrorist organizations of this world, and of course, in this situation , they once again demonstrated that russia is turning into an authoritarian state of stalin's times with all the markers of such a state, right up to the anti-semitism that has always been there, one can say the main religion of the soviet union from stalin to brezhnev and andropov. now we will break for a few minutes, but please stay with us, and we will continue all these topics and talk, by the way, about the middle east, damn stairs, my legs can't walk anymore, wait, i will live to see that there is no health, and what kind of health is there in the sixth decade, and i thought so until i tried herovital. gerovital + phytovitamin complex that cares

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for ukrainians, victories and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics, serhii rudenko and his guests will talk about all this programs. people who own information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future right now , the main and interesting thing in the program verdict by serhiy rudenko, from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m., repeat at 12:10 p.m., we continue our information broadcast, as you already heard, we talked about the news that became known just a few hours before our broadcast. this is the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to israel, which is planned for next week, by the way, i want you to notice that unlike of many other trips of the ukrainian president, which are never announced

and which happen, so to speak, spontaneously , first volodymyr zelenskyi comes somewhere, then we learn about his presence, this happens even at international summits, where zelenskyi received previous invitations. and with this story, everything is completely wrong, wrong, because the international significance of the visit of the ukrainian president to israel is quite important, especially after the speech in which, for the first days after the terrorist attack on israel, the president of the united states, joseph biden compared the war in ukraine, the war in israel, compared russia and hamas. as you know, the president of ukraine was one of the first leaders of the countries of the civilized world who called the prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu to express solidarity, and zelensky then emphasized that he was ready to visit israel literally immediately with such a solidarity visit, which showed that

ukraine is on the side of israel, which suffered a terrorist attack, and it can be said that this was a step that showed that the ukrainian position, on unlike the position of the leadership of israel, which tried to be very careful in the first months after... after russia attacked ukraine, it is absolutely crystal clear here, i would say, clear from the point of view of what is happening, in the relations between, russia and israel, between hamas and israel, we will now talk about all this with our interlocutor, serhii meghdal, a former officer of the international police department of israel, a security expert. good evening, good evening, i'm glad to see you, i greet all viewers, come on about... the president of ukraine, how

important is he to israel, mr. serhii? he is very important, once again i apologize for my ukrainian, my mother is from odesa, but i have not spoken for a long time, you can speak russian, they do not discriminate, please , yes, yes, this is an important visit, it took time, here this visit is definitely prehistory, as everyone probably remembers, when the aggression of russia against ukraine began in february 2022 , the prime minister of israel was not benjamin netanyahu, it was his ego, which , by the way, was his former ego once, even almost the head of his chancellery many, many years ago, before they quarreled, well, then the minister of the coalition of his government in different positions, even here he suddenly became the prime minister, although he headed a very small

faction of his own in the parliament. and he, as you remember, then developed a stormy activity, which consisted, as i recall , of a trip to kiev, moscow, berlin, paris , all these flights and relocations, and he tried to be a peacemaker, but he quickly understood what the point was there is no such thing, eh, but still once, it was, after all, not netanyahu, netanyahu , as we know, he maintained for many years... a good personal relationship with putin, uh, they talked about it a lot, i don’t know if there was any personal sympathy, just like many they claimed that it was putin who highly regarded netanyahu for his deep thoughts on the topic of geopolitics, yes , no one in particular, as you understand, heard these conversations, it was all told second-hand, in fact , the main thing, of course, for netanyahu was this is a normal situation for our air force and for tsal's actions in general

both on land and in the air and from the sea to syria for pro-iranian purposes there, for the purposes of the kizbala, and for this it was very important for him to maintain good relations with russia, of course, in addition to other factors, yes, the factor of the russian jewish community, which he was afraid that he might become hostages, and in the event of a deterioration of relations , well, in general, a common factor in the fact that israel's normal relations with russia, after what happened with the soviet union, for many years. was considered an important attitude of israeli diplomacy, yes, just like that excellent relations with india or good working relations with china, all that did not exist at all before the ninety-first year, and when benjamin netanyahu won the elections in november last year, yes, everyone expected what might be, despite - a clear cooling of relations with israel and russia, especially when the head

of amid israel became prime minister temporarily for six months before the elections, who always criticized russia very harshly from the very beginning, sometimes even entering into disagreements with the prime minister and some ministers his government, with the same defense minister gantz, who also preferred a very cautious policy, he sharply criticized yaer lopyt, and nevertheless, what we saw was that when netanyahu returned to the position of prime minister at the end of december, there was no warming in relations between russia and israel. did not happen, yes, everyone saw that israel continued, yes, in contrast, by the way, to its first actions, of course, in contrast to what happened when crimea was annexed, israel continued to vote in the un along with the western bloc, together with the usa, on all topics related to russia's war against ukraine, israel continued humanitarian aid , various delegations went, israel, there were talks about israel starting to help ukraine, including topics such as combating the

consequences of shelling and even the creation of a system to warn citizens of missile attacks on various parts of ukraine, and this, as i understand it, is pretending to be a reality now , nevertheless , there was still such uncertainty, and what happened on october 7 and its consequences, in my opinion the uncertainty was completely removed and it became clear after putin and the russian federation practically... we know that the graduate is a secret employee of the relevant department of the kgb, but hamas has always been close to completely different structures, which, after all, were not familiar to the graduates of the kgb and the soviet secret service, but

it was believed that russia supported them relations, in order to play an important role in the middle east, to be an important mediator, no worse than qatar, iligit in the demand to reconcile. different palestinian factions among themselves, but what has happened in the last 3 weeks has certainly happened as expected, and as i understand it, apparently in israel in recent days they have decided not to sit on this very metaphorical fence anymore, and as i understand it, president zelensky really will come, this visit is very important for us, because it may be as small as it is called in english, well, not quite, but somehow israel will repent a little, and return a little debt for the fact that it did not actively support ukraine all these months, yes, it tried to maintain some kind of neutrality under some

all the same as diplomatic steps condemning russia's aggressive actions, now, as i understand it, this policy has changed and in many ways the arrival of zelskyi, the ambassador of solidarity, i am sure, will also visit jerusalem with... our president, of course in tel aviv, i am sure что он позетит и юг израиля, yes, to his own to see with my own eyes the consequences of the nightmare that hamas's inhumans staged on october 7, this will be a very strong signal not only about friendship between israel and ukraine, and in this situation, but a strong signal for western countries, which are among the countries that support ukraine, this is primarily america, canada, great britain, germany, of course, because many of them have the position of israel, yes, although they understood all these rational, logical arguments, why israel behaved the way it did after february 24, 2012, then they did not less

this caused displeasure, strong criticism, and in addition to our moral duty , in this case it will be good for me , precisely as the cementing of the foundation of support for him, mr. serhiy, who today is the permanent representative of the united nations organization, israel of the united nations organization, mr. gilat rdan, he very harshly criticized russia, made such a statement that russia is using the hamas attack, in the most disgusting way, and i would say that i have never heard from israeli diplomats. in recent years, neither in the un nor anywhere else such harsh criticism of russia, this is just a polemic in the un, the answer, sir, or rather to comrade nibenze, who absolutely cynically criticized israel, or is it really a change of political

course, we understand that the constant a representative in the un is a person who directly communicates with the prime minister, not just a diplomat. it seems to me that this is precisely an indicator of a change in the political course, here it is important to understand who gelad irdan is, the permanent representative of israel to the general assembly of the un, i occupy, by the way, the same position that benjamin netanyahu himself once held with great success, yes, at the peak of his diplomatic career, before that he was number two in the embassy in washington, where, as you know, he ate lunch every week with young joe biden, yes, with whom they were already on good terms, personal, but gelader, it is important to understand, you mentioned the word diplomat, but he is not a diplomat, so benjamin netanyahu did, yes, he left the business, after the death of his brother during liberation

hostage, engaged in public work for the benefit of israel, and he had already lived in america for a long time then. and in the end, the minister of foreign affairs at the time appointed him, moshi arens, the ambassador, to washington as number two, and he was not a politician before that, gildan is a completely different story, gilat rordan is one of the most prominent hopefuls. but when quite recently he was still young at all, what the lekud princes called the young generation of lekud, many... of whom were sons or daughters of party leaders herud, the svoboda party and even the etzel organization of the jewish underground, which was the main rival of agany, yes. socialists of the armed organization party of israel.

and here is gela derdan, he is one of them, and he was a member of parliament for many years, then a minister , including one of the closest to benjamin netanyahu, it was he who was sent by benjamin netanyahu, by the way, to the position of first us ambassador, and then transferred, before the previous ones , by previous elections for office in new york, that is, he is not a professional diplomat, but rather a politician, who was sent to a... position, well, as it is customary, for example, in america too, that sometimes a diplomat is sent to some posts in particularly important countries, let's say some important senator or congressman or former minister from your party , the president decides, because he especially trusts this person, also in israel, according to tradition, there are several posts that usually send non-professional diplomats, although they are not obliged to, but this is the decision of the prime minister, namely a political figure who has a special trust prime minister minister, so gila derdan in this case really, i believe, expresses specifically the political will of the prime minister, and the decision that

was made in the highest circles of power in israel, including in our so-called defense structures, pay attention to fresh messages that for several days, actually, weeks, due to the way the russian federation is behaving, israel has practically stopped fulfilling this agreement of the fifteenth year. and does not report more to the russian deconflict center in khmiymy in my opinion, or in the tartus about the fact that when israeli planes or israeli missiles fly, they will destroy the next iranian and syrian targets on the territory of syria, please note that israel simply shut down the two main international airports of syria, destroyed them from takeoff - landing strips and after a couple of days added to make it difficult to repair them, if you look at the flight radar map or other similar resources, like plainfider, you

will see that no one is landing in damascus or aleppo now, poor ministers of foreign affairs of iran, to get to damascus he had to fly to beirut and drive from there by car, and that is, these changes are not only at the level of rhetoric and diplomatic changes, but at the practical level. now, i would like you and i to talk about today's speech by the head of the hezbollah organization, sheikh hassan nastralah, because everyone was waiting for this speech, you know, as his show, that he will now announce a second front, you know, as- the way in which soviet films once showed stalin sitting and waiting the opening of the second front, but they listened for two hours, i don't know, i don't think you listened to all two hours on sral, i didn't listen either, but that's how i read the summary. i didn't see the opening

of the second front, did you? they didn’t see it, i didn’t even listen to it for five shitty minutes, there were more important things, and in general, why waste time on it, you can read and listen to excerpts, excerpts, yes, i read it, of course, but we saw how disappointed all kinds of hamas, muslim brothers, supporters of hamas, anti-israel. as in countries of the middle east, and in other places, which surprised the observers in israel, but they drove this gigantic crowd, who, by the way, could all be sitting in front of the tv, yes, where it was shown live, on the hezbollah channel, in my opinion it is called almanar, and he did not appear, there were rumors that he would come, which is very noticeable in contrast, you must have seen prime minister netanyahu, our minister of foreign affairs, who simply...' walks 100 m from the gas, in such a funny bulletproof vest, true, but without a fairy tale, yes, moreover, this territory is still some

a few days ago, when they brought various vips there, such as ursula vanderlei or the czech minister of foreign affairs and the president of the czech republic and others, well, this is really a very dangerous place, because then hamas fired intensively at it and islamic jihad, like all kinds of small rockets radius of action, as well as mortars, which are generally difficult to hide from and difficult to shoot down, unlike rockets. and here is the great fighter against israel , as you already know, for many years, no one has seen him at all, and he brings people, some kind of guests, to him, almost bound eyes or in cars with blacked-out windows, he is sitting in some bunker , well, many people are sitting in the bunker now, you know, this is a trademark, now people live in bunkers, yes, yes, absolutely true, in this sense he anticipated one, here is an acquaintance who, as you remember, was considered the best friend of tony blair, schroeder, and anyone who even president bush, i remember, looked

into his eyes and saw a christian soul, nothing. it was impossible to come up with even such a thing, i agree, thank you, thank you, mr. serhiy, serhiy mygdal, former officer of the international police department of israel, a security expert, we had on the air, and now we will talk about the far east, there is the near east, now the far east, nataliya plaksienko butyrskaya. east asian expert , master of foreign policy, welcome ms. natalya, good evening, congratulations, well , meeting in san francisco, the president of the united states, joseph biden, and the president of the people's republic of china, xi jinping. what can you really expect? well, actually, we, if we expect any breakthroughs, then of course there won't be any, but relations between the two countries, especially

during the last year, they were in a very. in such a difficult phase, accordingly, what they need is to establish contact and put their competition in some such a clear circle that they can control, this is the first thing, if taken on a wider scale like this, then of course, what for the world certainty is important in the relations between the two countries, given such a general imbalance and well. it is obvious that no one was interested in the fact that some additional conflict between them would flare up, and when we if we talk about conflicts, then it is not necessary that the parties want it directly and now at the present time, but for example, for several months in both summer and autumn there were a number of cases when, for example, a chinese plane flew next to a military plane of the united states

of the states, and they were there nearby, so that it could be ... such an incident is accidental, and similar cases have happened at sea, when a chinese warship repeatedly drove, passed by in such a way that it could ram the ship of the united states, that is, it on a larger scale, that is as for the wishes of the countries themselves, it is obvious that joe biden, on the eve of his, the beginning of his presidential campaign, would like to have such greater and greater certainty in relations with china and less conflicts and troubles, that is why a number of his high-ranking officials visited china, these were the ministers of finance and the minister the minister of commerce and a number of other high-ranking officials in order to lay a cushion for the possibility that this visit will take place, as for china, well, it is clear

that china understands the importance of this dialogue for biden, but neither does sidzenpinu managed to restore the economy, as he hoped, and to increase the development of industry, exports, and the domestic market, in addition, there is a large outflow, investment, transfer of business, that is, he also has an obvious interest in somehow correcting this economic situation, well and china really doesn't like that the united states stops their development, and not only by the technological restrictions that trump introduces, and not only by those sanctions that were introduced before that and various tariffs, well, and also by the creation of various coalitions around china, in the asian region, perceives the chinese directly as a threat to itself, plus in this case, china also looks

at taiwan from the point of view of its personal interest, because for example, japan, south korea, and a number of other countries are now increasingly talking about the danger, the development of the war in the taiwan strait, about support for taiwan, about a peaceful solution to this problem, that is, there will be a number of issues that will be discussed, and it is obvious that it will not do without discussing the situation in the middle east, in russia, in russia aggression against ukraine, and this rapprochement between north korea and russia, and the supply of weapons. another question is whether we will see the results, obviously they will not be as bright as we would like. and tell me, do you hear any real compromises that can happen, in general, in the future between the states and china, you know, they are talking about what they can, for example, start the foundation on, i