[000:00:00;00] the great continental war, because we already have, you understand, most of the wars around the world that have been fought in the last 75 years, it was a story of a personnel army fighting guerrillas, vietnam, afghanistan, another afghanistan, already with the participation of the united states , iraq and so on and so forth, and the last war when, which was introduced by two institutional, personnel, military mechanisms, is the iran-iraq war, 81-86, and all these stories about, let's go there, or in armies will serve only those who are born for war, or let us be many restrictions will be made so that people remain in the rear, this all works coolly in the conditions of war, of limited intensity, but all this does not work during a full-scale war, we have all seen the battle, and we, it is very simple arithmetic, where the ukrainian flag is, there are no concentration camps there, where the russian flags begin, there are concentration camps, and

the state must simply...' we, we all must understand, and the state, in particular, that in war, sometimes state policy, it does not consist only of popular actions, and actions that will be used there unconditionally with the support of the population, sometimes it is necessary, including taking what may be interpreted as not very popular steps. on the way to preserving statehood and sovereignty, well, so far they are not too actively ready to comment on this issue, the day before they had a conversation with the secretary of the nsdc, mr. danilov, he refused to express his personal attitude to the need to reduce the conscription age and actually mentioned that for six months , the relevant draft law of the verkhovna rada has been signed by president zelenskyi, he does not sign it, or i understood you correctly, that apart from

these organizational points, we will still come to the point that we need to increase the scale of mobilization, it seems to me that there are two directions of movement in this sense, with us, firstly, i have repeatedly read, heard , but i was faced with the idea that simply the systems that exist in modern tsk and sp, in terms of potency, in terms of mobilization potential, they are simply not able to take everyone into account, perhaps the military should be opened... and the registers to other systems, i don't know tax systems, where a person pays taxes, or otherwise, for to just take into account where she lives directly and to somehow be able to contact her, and secondly, this is definitely a story about the quality of the mobilization potential, because aah now

14 months of mobilization, which were during and oos, they are perceived as such a warm lamp echo of a low-intensity war, and the military themselves, they feel a little confused, because on the one hand they are representatives of the most respected caste in a country where the armed forces are trusted by 96% there, and the people, i wonder was to look at those 4% who do not trust, and on the other hand, they are allegedly forced to serve either until victory or death, and this is a story about the imbalance on the one hand, their contribution to the survival of the state, and on the other hand, the fact that they feel abandoned - abandoned and left alone, and this is definitely the factor that increases the tension between the rear and the front, and this tension will

only grow, and it seems to me that yes, without mobilization in the conditions of the hidden mobilization conducted by the aggressor country, without further mobilization in ukraine, it's easy for us there is no way around it, we will come back to the tension between style and the front to finish with the case of mobilization, so to speak, streamlining the rules in the tsk, eradicating corruption, the tsk, the vlk, it will not add queues to the military, there will be no more of them, is it possible to does it affect and why? i think that the queues will not appear, because no war, it does not gain popularity, over time , and this was the case in all wars, that is, 4000 people who joined there in the spring, in the spring of the 22nd year, voluntarily defeated the armed forces, and we shouldn't expect such a stir, but just me

it seems that with the audience that is now left in the rear with men, with women, it is necessary to work by appealing no longer to emotional factors, but to more rational ones, for example, as the third assault unit does there, as the guys from azov do from other units, who are ready to spend there, i don't know, there's a week there, a trial week, a trial week of training, or come, we 'll just chat there, and it's already a center not for mobilization, but for recruiting, when i offer you, when you know in advance, on what terms you go when you know in advance, on what position are you leaving, and people are different, those who joined in the spring of 22, it was a story about emotions, about feelings... about the need to mobilize there, maybe with those who are now left, we need to talk to more rational positions, and this is no longer a lack of love, but such a marriage contract

, we are this for you, you are this for us, look how it is happening with us, look what we can offer you and so on and so forth, and i think that there is a huge space for sociologists in order for us to be just that had the opportunity to sociologically touch the audience that remained in tela and understand how to communicate with it, how to communicate with it and how to most effectively involve this mobilization resource to the needs of the defense forces? about the tension between the rear and the front, it is not a new story, but we will mention it again, this situation that happened at the end of last week, when the head of the patronage service of azov, she was invited to speak at a business forum, and then asked to leave the forum, so as not to scare her present in military uniform, let's just remind to the audience, and now direct speech, how it was and we will talk about it a little further, when there is a war, when our boys die in the most

terrible battles, when we bury them every day, a person, the organizer, approached us and asked us to leave the event because of that that the guests are frightened by the military uniform, once again we offer our sincere apologies personally to the manager olena tolkachova and the entire patronage service of angel azov, we want to emphasize that the disrespectful words spoken to olena do not reflect the opinion of all uibc members. among the members of the club are businessmen, who, since february 24, personally defend our country with weapons in their hands. most of us have friends or relatives who defend our independence and risk their own lives. so that all of us could work and support the country's economy. our respect for them is boundless. well, in fact, the apology that we just saw is another apology from the representatives of the club who organized it, they did not find it, we will have a response, and from the society, mainly, after all, there was indignation from the ukrainians, they were directed at them, and

it is clear that this is such a case, it is not indicative, and it is not possible to create any such, to talk about any trends, the ratings of public opinion polls, which you mentioned during the entire time of the full-scale invasion, were below 90, the level of trust in the armed forces did not drop, but it is also strange, where are the other percentages, but whether the military themselves talk about the fact that they are uncomfortable among civilians, because of some special or certain attitude, well, i will tell you frankly, when you just come back to the toll city from some very tense point, i personally remember there , that you walk around the city and hang out there fondly to everything that surrounds you, and in every guy of draft age you see a person who is not close to you, ah, you just have to understand that on the one hand we do not have total

mobilization in our country, when everyone aged 18 to 60 must take up arms and go to the front, it is clear why, because even if all these people were to be brought into the armed forces now, it would not be possible to turn them from a crowd, it is very difficult to turn a crowd into an army, because these people need not only weapons, only the form, and the teams first of all, and so on, that's why our mobilization is not total, but so selective , on the other hand, you are very annoyed when you think about the fact that probably many people will have time in these 20 months to normalize the war for themselves and decide that somehow the war is that, and those circumstances, in which, some person may not participate, and it seems to me that this tension , it will be unconditional, and between the military and the rear, and ah, just here is an important story about

what i generally think is the main question of our future, yes or not otherwise , the question will be, where were you from the 22nd onwards, and society will divide... into those who have there will be an answer to this question and to those who will not have an answer to this question, and i think that for sure. and you know, you just have to think in some very abstract categories, but nevertheless, i will say that we are now living in the most subjective period of our own history, nothing in the last 300 years, nothing more subjective in ukrainian history has happened, not even 100 years ago, neither in the 40s, 50s, nor ever, that is, we are now in the most subjective period of our own

history and the people who walk next to us, and they will turn into the streets, into monuments, our people who live nearby will be printed on paper banknotes, and it seems to me that to be a co-author of the history of one's own country is generally a privilege that not every generation can get, and to voluntarily remove oneself from such opportunities, it looks a little illogical to me, and those people who still try not to participate take advantage of this opportunity. well, all the same , you will somehow have to be immersed in the affairs of the armed forces and continue to live in this country, pavle, thank you very much for taking the time today to visit us pavlo kazarin , a military serviceman and journalist, was a guest of our studio today, thank you, let's move on, the us house of representatives approved the bill on emergency aid to israel. in the amount of 14.3 billion dollars. the document

was supported by 226 congressmen, and most of them are republicans. most democrats opposed it. this bill must now be approved by the senate. i will add that earlier the democrats in the senate insisted that this document has no future. well, besides of this, us president joe biden has promised to veto it if it passes. and dazhdepa expressed confidence that they would be able to convince congress to combine aid to ukraine in a package with others. requests, in particular for support of israel. at the same time, the coordinator of the national security council of the white house, john kirby, today once again emphasized the need to support ukraine, this is how he reacted to general zaluzhnyi's article in the economist. i think this underlines how important it is that we continue to support ukraine. we we are developing and have already evolved in the context of what we provide ukraine with, just as the war itself developed. and i suspect that

this process will continue, and just now yehor cherniv, people's deputy from the servant of the people faction and deputy chairman of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, is joining our broadcast , yehor, good evening, my congratulations, good evening, what are your predictions regarding the voting of the draft law in the senate and actually, what are the options for the development of events in both cases? well, it seems very difficult to make predictions now, because you see how the situation is changing, even a week ago when we were in washington , our delegation, and the democrats, the republicans were convinced, i mean, the part of the republicans that are not trumpists, they were convinced that and the package everything everything will pass, now we see that after all they voted for separate, separate aid to israel, then i think that it will go to the senate where the democrats have a majority, and actually, i think that it will stop in the senate, i.e. will not be voted on in the senate and will return as again

the package to the congress: to the house of representatives, well, the debate on voting in the package will begin again, i think that somewhere such a prospect still exists, very ghostly, but for how long can all this delay aid to ukraine, because here tykirby, whom i mentioned, he also said that the request proposed by biden would help to more easily meet the urgent needs of ukraine, well, let me remind you that we still have 5.4 billion dollars from previous, previous funding, so for some time this is enough, of course, but we are talking about aid for 2024, and to be honest, the republicans were even so optimistic when, again, we talked to them a week ago that it would take maybe weeks, but definitely not months, and we have to remember that november 17 runs out

the period that the budget of the states was extended, well, that is, for 45 days, so that there would be no shutdown , so that the united states government would not run out of money, so i think that there are still prospects, or it will be voted as a separate bill, as a package now, or it will be part of the budget of the united states, and i think they have until november 17th to vote on the entire budget in general, by november 17th. well, or again to continue, as it has been done now for 45 days, because there was no consensus inside, but there is such a critical period, a critical... period after which we say that it is critical for the ukrainian front, this is such a delay, sure? well, actually, i'm saying, while there are still five, out of 5.4 billion, i think they will be enough for several months, but we should definitely have funding already next year, egor, let's talk a little more about the article

of the zaluzhny, well, because it attracted a lot of attention both abroad and here within ukrainian society, we already have the reaction of the white house, as soon as we heard john's direct speech. kirby, will this article have political results, in your opinion, and actually, what was the purpose of the commander-in-chief, given that it is aimed at an external audience after all, more? well, actually, he says that with the forces and means we currently have, we risk ending up in some such positional impasse, and in order to to get out of it, in order to move forward and liberate the territories, we need both more weapons and some newer weapons. and not what is transmitted to us, i think that in particular the more modern systems of rebr, because he just so, emphasizes that our adversaries see everything, just as we actually see all the preparations of the russian federation, through the use of drones, and the direct

obstacle to the operation of drones is radio-electronic warfare systems, including airplanes, including forklifts missiles and so on, i think that this was a fairly clear signal to our partners that with the means that are being handed over to us in the amount that they are being handed over to us, it will be very difficult to win back the territory that was occupied by the russian federation, and we here agree with our partners that the entire territory of ukraine must be recaptured by the year 1991, there is already such a fresh article in politics, and it says that the materials of the tyrant caused debates in the capitalist arena. and it is known that today us ambassador to ukraine bridget brink met with the newly elected speaker of the house of representatives johnson and spoke with him about support for ukraine. and what are the chances that these debates on the hills will have any practical benefit for ukraine, given that the contradictions between republicans and democrats that we have been witnessing in recent months are

such internal political factors. well, first of all , it should be said that ambassador bridget brink is the absolute advocate of ukraine in the establishment of the united states, she clearly conveys all those messages that we need and actually what she sees in ukraine, because one of the objections of the republicans was, transranence, transparency, transparency and, reporting, and actually we provided all the tools to the united states, for them to have this reporting in the regime, how we use weapons, where we use them, and what exactly we do not sell, whether they are not put anywhere, and here the ambassador absolutely clearly conveys this information from his own sources, not what we tell them, they have all the tools

and secondly, when we talk to the republicans, here the question is not really about us to a greater extent, but it is really an internal internal political struggle. and here the republicans have a question for the democrats, and whether this support that we provide to ukraine is enough, and we provide this 62 billion to have any result, is it enough to win, is it enough to completely liberate all territories. here, in fact, there really are, relatively speaking, hostages of an internal political struggle, but there are definitely more claims for us, and again, the republicans offer divide that, those 62 ml, 61.8 billion for the next year into two parts, in which 30 , even if i am not mistaken, even a larger part, will actually go inside the country to the military industry, the united states, yegor, thank

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will find that we simply do not have enough people to fight, this is one of the quotes of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces valery zaluzhny in an interview with a british publication, to which he is now attached the attention of the military, politicians, and experts, and here in these materials , i am convinced that the war with russia in its... current form, namely in the positional chip state, cannot be won with weapons of the last generation and outdated methods. so now, together with the interview , the economist also published a large essay by the ukrainian general entitled modern positional war and how to win in it. and in this, directions are determined, how to get out of this trap of a protracted war of attrition. according to zaluzhnyi, ukraine needs air superiority. these are manned aircraft as well as unmanned systems for various purposes, these are improved means

of radio-electronic warfare, these are reinforced counter batteries. opportunities, the fourth is new demining technologies, and the fifth priority is it is an opportunity to mobilize and qualitatively train more people , about how it will be implemented and in what period of time, and what other additional questions are raised by this vision of valery zaluzhny, given the current state and likely dynamics of changes in the war with the russian federation and the reaction our partners during the war. actions, we will talk about all this in our program with professional experts and our industrialists. my name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which is now jointly with the spresso company aims to highlight the most relevant defense, industrial, military and military trends. and now our guest is joining us, this is oleksiy izhak, an expert

of the national institute of strategic studies. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you. now we are establishing a connection, and while we are doing it, i will then go in more detail along the directions that valery zaluzhnyi outlined as technological things, which are primarily necessary in order to ensure a technological advantage over the enemy, to mix various technological solutions in order to not to be in danger of such a positional war, into which it is now sliding, valery zaluzhny first of all spoke about dominance in the air, but the issue of dominance in the air is not so much the number of fighter aircraft, because during this time the enemy has strengthened air defense and the existing composition of the russian federation's aviation complexes to a certain in a way can negate, of course, the appearance

of those f16s that we have been waiting for so long, and therefore, according to valery zaluzhnyi, we should bet on various variations of the use of unmanned systems, which can influence and on russian anti-aircraft defense and other factors. and now we will talk about it in more detail with our guest, who will represent the sector of unmanned systems that are developing in ukraine, and now we are joined by oleksiy yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies. oleksiy, i congratulate you. see and hear? in return, i congratulate you. i am sure that you have familiarized yourself in detail with the interview of valery zaluzhny, and with the essay that defines the technological priorities, in the opinion of the general, related to the withdrawal of the war from the position in dynamic at the next stage, and first of all i would still like to start with your evaluations

of whether this article and the materials appeared on time, and what ... consequences it may have, because some say it is untimely, because the mention of a dead end , in fact, she baits our partners, saying that they have given a lot of weapons, but there are no results, while others say that it is the opposite, because this is just a demonstration of what stage we are at, and what measures must be taken, so that the dynamics on the fronts are really like this , as we expect, your estimates of the time and consequences of these materials, well, it seems to me, after all, in time. and it seems to me that this is not so much the initiative of general zaglushny , the article is also called there, his interview is called by invitation, our partners simply want to understand what is happening and what has been said for a long time somewhere on the sidelines that well, there are no visible changes

on the battlefield, well, i think it is better to say now that there is, there is, a positional war, there is a fact of a positional war, than to wait until such negative rumors start, until they start, various conspiracy theories that is happening, it was better, i think, to say, and yet, what is said, there , i will say, there are not even two articles, there are three articles, there is an actual interview, an essay and an own assessment of the economist, well yes ... such an overview of what is happening now, and there, in the same issue, at the same time, it was said what to do with israel, there were recommendations, which were another front of the same global war. it seems to me that it is still timely, the article is not negative, i think there is nothing