[000:00:00;00] there is a positional war, there is a fact of a positional war, than, than to wait until such negative rumors start, until they start , conspiracy theories of what is happening, it was better, i think, to say, and still, what is said, there , i will say, there are not even two articles, there are three articles, there is an actual interview, an essay and an own assessment... the economist, well, such an overview of what is happening now, and there in the same issue at the same time it was said that to do with israel, there were recommendations, another front of the same global war. i think, nevertheless, it is timely, the article is not negative, i think there is nothing that our partners do not see and do not understand, i think that everything that is said there, after all, was

a speech. and with our partners and at the level of planning and different formats, and so i think it's just that, well, you could say , it's strategic communication, explaining to the general public what, what the next stage of this war is going to be, there's no thoughts about what deoccupation is over, there is nothing like that, it clearly says that what must be done to win on the battlefield, and there is add... the economist's accent, it seems important to me, there is everything there, but the economist ended not with what should be done technologically, but with the fact that in the first world war, in fact, the victory was not with technology were too slow, and got involved in politics, one of the empires fell apart, well, the empire, it was called the german empire, but it just fell apart, although it was winning and standing near paris, already

a little... a little bit and they will go to paris, and here they are, something happened to them, well, that is, there, i would say, this is such an optimistic positive, moderate positive, so i think, after all, in time, we all now understand how and what to do, that is, in fact, you think that the material is quite, if not optimistic, then pragmatic, and it should not, in particular, create any negative perception there in ukrainian society, they say that we are leaning on the choice of a dead end and then, actually , we will wait when we will ensure these technological advantages, technological advantages , yes, there are very specific things being said , and it seems to me the same as a year ago it seems that there was also an article in the economist about an order for our partners for the 23rd year, if we speak politically

, that is the meaning of this article, yes. there was such an article, i think in december or november of last year, it was there, it was an order that ukraine needs, there it was said to reach mariupol, that is what is needed for this, now , general zaluzhny said that, well, we are grateful, but unfortunately , it is not in time, and technologies change and russia has managed a lot, now another order, it is no more, not what was wrong but it's just the same, i would take it like that, a new order. for the new year, what is needed to win is in the context of a global war with israel, if you look, well, how this issue is being discussed, and this is simultaneously with the processes that are going on now in the congress of the united states regarding the aid vote, i think that's all there they will accept this help, one way or another, and even, well, different forces say that there will be help, but this help, under this help, it has already been said, well,

what it should be spent on, that's why i think, after all well, well, you can't say that it's all good , no, the situation is really bad in the sense that we'll have to go through another winter, a very difficult winter, but it's not as bad as it seems, there's no hint it does not exist, and there is a way out of the situation , i think, it is still, i would say that it is positive, still, and then the question arises, how do you look for it, because relatively speaking, really we, here is your version, that relatively speaking, this is a request for a new format of assistance, that it is not only about the samples of equipment, which in the conditions of a new war, they are ineffective, it is necessary to look for a combination of technologies, tactics in order to create new prerequisites for its transition to a maneuverable war as such, but then the question arises that our partners will also need

to rebuild their concepts. and help ukraine in those technological solutions where they can help more than we can ourselves, this means that the format of assistance for the near future should be measured not only by the number of military vehicles and tanks transferred, this means that our partners will then also have a reformation, to reformat the vision of further cooperation with ukraine as such, well, i would like to hope that it is not the economist that appeared there , it first appeared with our partners, there, in principle, they are probably already working on it, not for anyone it's a secret that even 10 years ago, tourists probably said... when they found themselves in moscow somewhere in an administrative building, they found out on their gadget that they were somewhere in sheremetev. similarly, we haven't heard about hymars, procalibur for a long time, well, yes, it's known that it's cheap enough

by chinese means, it is possible to deploy a system that modifies the gps signal and there, solving this issue is actually also possible with the help of ground stations. this is the most important area. of the world, europe, the united states, have these ground stations, but there is a certain policy of the united states, not to give too clear a ground signal, well , to unreliable countries, well, this element of such technological cooperation, if you can say so, well, you know, it is that the question is solved, i think, and the united states, if they provided us with ataacnus, which also, as which also oriented gps signal, i think that issue was partially ... at least resolved before we were given these, these weapons, so i think there is a part that our partners have to solve when they already deliver weapons there, that's what

, what was said about the reliability of drone control, protection of control channels and uh, well, those systems that rely on gps, there is nothing like that here , there are questions that i have, we have to solve ourselves, regarding, as i understand it, well, no. .. in general , there are technologies in the world that make it easy to go through minifields 20 km deep, which are constantly replenished by these means of automatic mining, then there are also hints here and there, i think that this is what ukraine should work on itself, well , here the problem may be that help is needed and help is needed in this , where exactly to create these means, taking into account the fact that the country is under attack, maybe on... our partners, but in general, the list that is there, after all, it is specific, there are specific hints on how to solve

problems, i even think that part, if it became public, or if this list was brand new, no one had seen it, and we've seen it now, i'd say it's probably wrong, there's no need to make political statements about technological warfare solutions that are not yet in the works. but if this, if everything is done correctly, i think everything is done correctly, then at first all these directions began to be worked out, reached a certain limit of development, and now there is simply strategic communication to explain what the next phase of the war will be, of course, it's me telling a perfect picture but i want to believe in this ideal picture, i have the right to believe in it and tell it, maybe i'm wrong, but still mine... between zero and what i say, well, if 70%, then it's good. oleksiy, there are five directions, four of them are really technological, it is just reb , demining, counter-battery combat, unmanned

complexes, and each of these directions, if it is technological with new projects, then the implementation time is not determined, i.e. we cannot guarantee at what point we will get any solutions there, which really will affect the battlefield. does this mean that we then have a factor of uncertainty as to when we will ensure the integration of these solutions, and thus the issue of positional warfare until technological solutions come to our aid becomes such a factor that we will have to take into account for some time to act in the conditions of such a trench war as we are currently acting in the confrontation with the russian federation, well, as far as i understand, even a retrenchment war does not lead to defeat, already next year, it simply says that strategically, if the trench war is to continue as in the first world war, then russia wins in such a war because of its mass, but i think, after all, there is no question that there are

two months before the new year in order to solve these issues, of course we have to agree with what is uncertainty, otherwise there would be no need for such strategic communication, to say that it is necessary, there is uncertainty in what i started with... the economist himself drew attention to this thesis that the first world war did not wait for technological changes neither party and eventually politics intervened, it says: that even now there is no such complete certainty that technology will decide the fate of this war and that politics will intervene, that is , one of the parties will not survive, simply and there, moreover, it is hinted that it will not necessarily be ukraine, which will not will endure, because there are many factors in russia itself , but in the end, the task is shown, i think , after all, it is not said there that all 100% must be, must be solved. but certain,

certain, i don't rule out that, well, i wouldn't be surprised if they found out that, say, in a month, the effectiveness again of the haimarsivkals and atakus, became radically higher, that is, some ground signal stations appeared that allow, well, allow to restore this accuracy, i was not surprised by this, but there are certainly such sentences, it seems to me, here ... there is the most difficult problem and from what was mentioned, from something that , well, is very uncertain, because there are no such technologies on certain technologies in order to pass such minefields, therefore, of course, not everything, but there are things that i think are determined that they can already be quickly resolved. oleksiy, and can it be considered that, conditionally speaking, this publication in the economist will be such a certain moment for our american partners who

say that we want to see a victory plan or a victory program there, then from the ukrainian side we will say that this is our strategy, which provides for four technological directions, if you help to really get involved there, then we can talk about some success on the battlefield, if not, then relatively speaking, well, we have what we have, well, it seems to me that these processes are connected, and those processes are more or less , to me seems positive. which are currently taking place in the house of representatives of the us congress regarding the vote on ukraine , well, after all, positive statements are made there, even from all spectrums, that there should be help, then the question arises, what is this help for, it cannot be, as before, here we see what is said here honestly, that, in the end, the situation for ukraine may not even be the same, if you look at the tone of the westerners, it may not even

be as strict as for israel, there in general, there are hints that political changes are needed, they directly say that netanyahu should go, that's what, and then, and then , money is given for this, we still don't have such a situation, yes, we are talking about what, explain how you are trying to resume the war of maneuver, here is the explanation given, well, it seems, well , there may still be certain political... additional demands, but we do not hear them publicly now, we now see that there is a plan to resume the offensive, maintain the offensive, and resume the de-occupation of the intensive , so to speak, and we see from the other side that there are still positive discussions going on with regard to the provision of a large aid package before, well, before the presidential elections in the united states, it is necessary to understand here that the money, this is the decision that is being made now regarding... money for ukraine, this is

the setting of a limit, this does not mean that the money that will be given right now is being decided, a limit is being determined, a limit for a year, at least, and within this limit already at the level of the administration, at the level of our government , these small packages will be constantly clarified, there are 500 million each, 300 million each, which will be received regularly every month , but ... here is a principled decision, that there is a vision and there is a willingness of the united states to continue to help, well, i would say that we are in no worse condition than israel. oleksiy, then the question arises, we are now paying attention to the fact that this publication is directed at our foreign partners, because it was published in a foreign publication, it is guaranteed that everyone who is related to the problems of ukraine will read it there, and then whether this publication, these essays, these technological

directions set... or some tasks before by our structures of the ministry of strategy and industry, there are the ministry of defense, the ministry of statistics, in order to somehow satisfy these needs, which general zaluzhnyi voices, as it were, for foreign partners, what we should do ourselves, of course , that's all, well, it's just a question of how internal communication takes place , if, if it turns out that this article from the publication is news to another part of the system, well, the security and defense system, well then, then it 's wrong, i still would like to ... believe that this is such an agreed thing and everyone understands , what needs to be done, and such a joint, well, the joint application is not externally made, but of course, first, any, any, any such a technological solution, it is in addition to the actual western weapons, which should already arrive

modernized, what i said, protected by signal gps, and here's what needs to be done, the rest should be done first of all by ukraine with the help of our partners, well, yes, that's right, but if we can't do it, and we say, do something else and something else for us, well , i do not rule out that this is possible, but additional explanations will be necessary, and what exactly you can't do that, well here's your money, here's your technological assistance, and what can't you do, but first of all, apart from what i said that certain, it said that certain western weapons have to be changed in order to work in these new conditions, and the rest, well, basically, we have to do it with the help of our partners. oleksii , thank you very much for taking the time for these explanations for our viewers, for your expert evaluations, i will remind our viewers that this is in oleksii yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies. and then we

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directions, one of them concerns precisely the dominance in the air precisely at the expense the use and development of the direction of the use of drones for various purposes, and now we are joined by the chairman of the board of the alliance new energy of ukraine, the commander of the special unit of strike drones white orel valery borovyk. mr. valery, i congratulate you, please read and listen, congratulations, congratulations, i am sure that you, like everyone involved in military activities, have carefully read the interview of valery zaluzhny, and these proposals of the commander-in-chief regarding the use of drones different directions, what are your overall scores after you got acquainted with these publications, well, quite frankly, clearly, clearly, and with the definition of the strategy and with the definition of what is necessary, as well as with a rather critical analysis

of the situation, which is a sober assessment of the potential of the russian federation and those gains that, unfortunately, our enemy during this time i was able to achieve, as well as with those where we should go, what goals to achieve and what to concentrate on, a fairly balanced, measured and such a clear interview, i liked it. and when we talk about the direction related to unmanned complexes, where valery zalozhny says that it is necessary to create a swarm application of complexes that should jam the russian air defense system, provide different versions of drones that can work there in rere conditions and so on, as far as it currently corresponds to the potential, the technical potential, at which our the enterprises that manufacture drones for various purposes, what would you say, could the complex requirements that

are put to new models of disembodied subjects be implemented at particular capacities your company? look, the requirements are quite, quite true, the question is, i compare, in pursuit with, the use of rebu and with the counteraction of rebu, you know, like with doping, yes, who, who is faster with... makes a new decision, in a new invention, whoever will advance faster will rule the sky for this particular period as well, if we are talking about drones, so in doping there is an anti-doping check, how fast it goes, along with how doping is made, yes, and here you can to say that russia... unfortunately, for today day, one step ahead, it has quite seriously over the past six months even increased

its capabilities and technological capabilities, including in the rebov plan, that is, in the system of countering drones and in the reb system by jamming drones, they were already one of the leaders, now they took the lessons from the previous year and changed their decision and we feel it, our last departure in the zaporizhzhia direction is basically a loss of drones, and few people can constantly counter these systems, that is, it is a constant struggle , tactician application, looking for these gaps in total, rebov rebov opposition.

you are looking for when they have a change there, that is, these walls, relatively speaking, radio-electronic warfare is needed, i will decide to fight them not only there with technological solutions, but also with tactical application, but first of all , of course, it is necessary to do this with technological solutions, as far as possible , there is a capacity in this, well, look, we are after the last departure, we are now changing one solution, we understand how to change it, what hindered us and we will go out and use it there for several weeks, so what is good, for example, unfortunately for manufacturers, what is unfortunately for manufacturers, because it is happening on our land, but ukraine is now a training ground for such military technologies, where manufacturers can, mr. valery, please that you

opened the microphone, the impression is that you must have closed it, and it is not quite audible to our audience, now it is better, yes, and if you basically now... continue to use your complexes, of which there are quite a lot, just last week there were publications about what your company is fixing massive serial production of the vidsich strike drone, so the question arises, how is scaling ensured, are there any current problems that you are solving, and how is this funding that was directed to the fact that there is 40 billion uah for production. how did it affect your company, if it did? at the expense of our own sources , as well as with those, shall we say, relations with special forces that go beyond government contracts, we are now preparing several solutions for special ones, mr. valery, now we are forced to call you back, because

the audience can't hear, we 'll call you again now, but... let me remind you that this is valery borovyk, the chairman of the board of the new energy alliance of ukraine. this alliance unites a number of companies that manufacture strike reconnaissance drones, among them such drones as witsi chi, which have actually been destroying the enemy on the front line for a long time. and mr. valery, i ask you to continue your opinion on how scaling is ensured, at the expense of what funds and whether there is state aid, primarily fin' from the point of view of ensuring more production those samples that are needed on the battlefield. unfortunately, unfortunately, the contract is still in the process of being concluded, but, you know, we faced something that special communications, in the person of specialists who deal with drone topics, took over the functions of assessing

combat capability, price policy and so on, that's why... they currently do not fully comply with resolution 256, where you provide all the documents, provide the need, we need several special forces, and they have to sign a contract and provide security, provide funding, now we have already produced enough drones to provide the first batch, but we still do not have a signed contract, and this is a problem and not only ours, i think we will now very seriously analyze how these funds were allocated, to whom it was allocated, to which companies, who, and who, in fact, will be able to fulfill the delivered volumes that were written in the contracts, because it turns out, maybe it can turn out in such a way that some companies have recorded

large amounts of finance for themselves, not you, will not be able to fulfill them until the end of the year. goes re-signing, for example, additional agreements for the next year, and at the same time those companies that did not sign cannot produce products at the expense of state financing, and others one by one, such a very serious issue, this is the policy of evaluation and pricing, the state, the institute highlighted , which should evaluate, in fact, your complex, when the institute evaluates this complex, it already sets the final version of the evaluation, according to those parameters that are prescribed in all the necessary documents, but eh, the state intelligence service may not accept this assessment, or to freeze and say that, well, this is not true, for example, here is a drone, if

it is not talking about a repulse, i and you talked, it is compared, compared, with chinese fpv drones, which have now been bought a lot and which are made of chinese components in fact , there is nothing made in ukrainian there. we have a drone that is not an fpv, we have a drone that performs mission tasks , that hovers above the target, that works under the reb and not only under the reb, but zeltaymoma, which performs special operations, which we do not currently have i will continue to speak, and in fact, let's say. so unprofessional evaluations of incompetence, they lead to the fact that such a brand becomes, and look here, judges compare this drone and this one, made from ukrainian components, made from ukrainian parts, made using completely different technologies with what is simply