it would be good for us because israel would be in a different position and could help us, i hope they will help after the government changes, but the most important thing is that then there would be deterrence against iran, which is providing assistance to the russian federation, is one of the elements, the axis of evil of this, so it is possible a little, in this adjacent branch for envy, and here is a question for mr. volodymyr, last sunday there were to be parliamentary elections in the absence of war, now they say, maybe they will be there in the spring, maybe in autumn, say, or until the end of martial law, as the constitution of ukraine says, that they will discuss after koleb's statement whether there will be presidential elections, but look, one way or another, well, the partners there hint at the fact that during the war they always had elections , and this confirms the legitimacy of the president there.

and this means that the parliament receives a certain legitimacy, please tell me, mr. volodymyr, do you see the danger of internal stability in the elections, how do you think their country, with what account will the country survive them, like this, that is, you bet that their will survive during the war, well, look, never say never, and always, but in this case, i am very careful now about this topic, but by the way, about the topic of negotiations with the aggressor country and so on, it depends on specific circumstances when the enemy was near kiev, we were forced to negotiate, were forced to, and even offered compromises. as soon as we repulsed this attack , and then also saw what this enemy was doing, yes, everything, the situation changed, different tactics, different strategy, but if the war drags on for many years, this is by the way...

elections and negotiations too, the topic of negotiations may arise, and then, by the way, we will have them, or there will be such results of the elections in the usa that will also force us to take certain steps, so i am very careful here, but i do not say but not always and never, after the elections, the situation is the same, as far as i understand, well, i think mr. ihor knows more about the internal mood there, for sure he will not comment now, no , well, it is not yes, no, well, he is the minister of foreign affairs, yes, he made a comment, said that this topic is under discussion, yes, no decision has been made, i can also say, there is what i heard, that zelenskyi is considering the possibility of holding elections in the spring of the 24th year, kulebo, as provided for by the constitution of ukraine, from the point of view, that is, in the conditions of such a war as now and such

attitudes as now , god forbid, they will become more, well, acute, complex, controversial, well, it’s not worth it, it shouldn’t be , but there is a legal issue that needs to be resolved, i’m a supporter of such a position, well, i’ll just explain what the dilemma is here , according to the parliamentary elections that you mentioned, there is a clear norm, the constitution, the powers of the verkhovna rada continue until the martial law is completed, there is no such norm according to the president. that is why some people say: well, since this is the situation, we will have to hold elections, referring to our international partners who say , well, elections in the usa, elections in russia, elections in taiwan and so on, in the european union, to things are also elections, yes, and you should also hold them, at least so that the trumpists do not have arguments, to point out that you do not have democracy, we should hold elections for the trumpists, no, of course, but they everyone will be criticized equally.

yes, i appreciate that they will be criticized, so i am simply showing what is the logic, what are the statements, proposals , etc. presidential elections in the spring, all the powers of the president will end in may and stefanchuk will be the president there, there is no such thing, there is no automatic transfer of the powers of the president. well, in such a situation, what to do? in my opinion , the easiest option is to contact of the constitutional court, let him interpret, legal, unimportant, unimportant, this is the only one, for a very long time mr. volodya, see, from the point of view of the logic of the law, you are right, but from the point of view of ukrainian realities, well, we can now hand over such a question to such an ambiguous institution, the institution unequivocal just right, just a long time is enough, you know, i wish in a few weeks... we can

solve this issue while there is time, the decision on whether or not to start the presidential elections should be made in december, well, according to the election procedures. i am i guess that the president is given proposals both for and against the elections, i think that he is a natural, well, he himself voiced many times about dangers, about injustice, when , for example, there will be a problem for the military, technically it can be solved, i will tell you , what is the purpose, no, the purpose, the purpose of this, how is it not, an obscene proposal, the purpose of an obscene proposal is decent enough, what is it to legitimize, not to hook... for example, the ukrainian government to make it weaker, and they read, they call it more democratic, we read it, if the president is, if the president is re-elected and by a sufficiently powerful number , from whom, he is dependent, he will be re-elected with a smaller

number of votes, it will already be, if possible, let's remember petro oleksiyovych poroshenko and there was a fairly high legitimacy, he competed, tried to change the constitution, introduce the minsk agreements , what happened, that is, legitimacy is such a thing , as you know, a cardiogram, it is constantly changing, the same with volodymyr oleksandrovich, the same stories were before invasion and after the invasion, that is, if people feel that a leader is needed, he as a leader corresponds to the aspirations that exist, but now the aspirations are the corresponding liberation of our territories, this is a victory, and not at all reconciliation, there was a public opinion poll in the summer, i i don't remember the exact figure, but somewhere around 80% of ukrainians said that we do not agree to territorial compromises , that is, ukrainian citizens, these are not experts, they understand that there can be no compromises on this issue, so i am absolutely sure whether

they will whether or not there will be an election, and i will too dilemma yes, from the point of view of the rule of law, democracy, they have to happen, on the other hand, i absolutely share these fears of security and instability. which, of course, our friends over there in lubyanka are preparing for us . split and also an external enemy that will fuel it is scary to imagine what can happen and even and i'm not even talking about that, it's about that i spoke with analysts who usually accompany election processes in ukraine, and they say that, for example, if there are parliamentary elections, the parliament that will meet is unlikely to be long-lived, which means that this parliament, obviously, is not , there will be no consensus in it

, and it will have to be dissolved, and another parliament will have to be convened, i will reassure you, first of all, two reassurances for you personally, first. if they can take place, these are just the scenarios that will be discussed, presidential elections can take place, but without parliamentary ones, simply referring to the rule of the constitution, the rule of the constitution allows the continuation of the powers of the current parliament, the problem is with the current parliament, because trust in it is much less than in the president, much less, but nevertheless, there is such a scenario, the second scenario as for the fact that this parliament will be short, it will have to be sorted out, that's my opinion. experience, the parliaments, which were called short, and which were predicted to be re-elected, they worked for the entire term of their powers, that is the current prime minister is predicted every year, yes, here he is , he already has to be counted there, i think that in

the near future he will take the first place in terms of tenure, yes, he will overtake the famous mykola yanovych, yes the term of office, and if he stays until... next year, just by the way, the month when the elections should be held, then he will set an absolute record, this is just an argument that we always have different things, not so, by the way, i really hope that with the war, when we are all talking now, by the way, the term impasse is not zaluzhny’s, zaluzhny says, we need to break out of the trap, but the term impasse is, yes, yes, the traps of positional warfare, and the term impasse is in the title of the article by konmist, and there it is from the terrine how important, yes, it's just that we are always predicted one thing, that's how defeat was predicted at the beginning of the war, and we demonstrate that we are a paradoxical nation, we always, not always, it's true we make pleasant surprises, yes, but in critical situations , it was like that with the maidans, it was like that with the war, i really hope that we are not the only ones like that

we will make a surprise, and we will disappoint, we have six minutes left, let's move on to summarizing and such short-term forecasts, what kind of forecasts did you start with. we haven't said anything for a month already, yes, i think that if we take the support of our partners, it will definitely not disappear anywhere, and we will disappoint those who want it . it will definitely not disappear in the next week, but it will still grow, look, and we need every support every day , her, if you think it's that simple, that it's a priori, you know, the english word take for granted, no, every day and every week we have to keep this support at the proper level, increase it, because the same support is different, today we talked a lot about weapons, and the support is financial, we briefly mentioned the united states of america, and the support of the european union, 50 m is being prepared by the european commission, a very difficult struggle,

even among the member states, we know, some member states that do not actively support this story yet, this will literally be discussed, including in the coming days, the nearest this week, the date will be very important, and the support for sanctions, the 12th sanctions package, and the support is political from the point of view of our further integration into the eu, for example, which we also briefly mentioned today, so it, let them not dream, will not turn away from us and the countries of the global south, will not turn away, because you already know , well, how the position of some countries was transformed, we talked to you earlier about the south african republic, well , please look at what was the position of the president of this country before that, remember, the visit was his, led by the leaders of several african countries, then he was in moscow, then he was in st. petersburg, that was the name of this summit there, when putin started handing out handouts about economic

forms of grain, he said we don’t need your handouts, restore the grain from ukraine program, restore it, unblock ukrainian ports, black sea ports only supposedly such a simple story, but how much work was put into it and will still have to be done, because the diplomatic adviser of the pamafoza, well, literally in daily, weekly contact, just went to you in the program from the telephone conversation of the head of the office with mr. what language does he speak, theirs, or something else ours, they speak english the language of civilized countries who want evil to triumph over good, so everything will be fine, just a minute, if i may, i'll be very brief, but i mentioned next week, yes, i think we have a very important date , on november 8, there should be an assessment of our report, and this is an important stage, and then, our commitment, our implementation work, well, the work is related to the candidate status, yes, after that

the decision will be made to start negotiations, the work, i absolutely agree, but here you have to concentrate on work, because there is a lot there will be a struggle, because there are countries that will, let's say so, create problems for us, i know that the government is already preparing schemes to overcome this, but i think that it is important to be willing to work, and by the way, even here i am writing a topic, which we criticize. you know, i saw a positive moment there, if our president has the will to continue the struggle, it is better than a president who is ready to capitulate, absolutely, yes, that is important, yes, and there is a disposition to and for protection, for an active struggle, about which is evidenced by the article on the necessary setup for active work with ours partners, the usa and for active work on european integration, i would simply say, are there threatening trends, are there, are they not reversed, no, absolutely, i'm just primarily talking about the united states, public opinion polls, rhetoric, the

same in europe, the same things are happening, that is, we have to start from the fact that this is an exceptional war for us, and every day , of course, we are fighting for our lives on different fronts, of course, most of all, it is the defense forces, but also on other fronts, political, diplomatic, expert, and journalistic, of course, and from the point of view that ukrainian society does not split , but is united in purpose by our victory, as well as, of course, abroad, so you know, we certainly have this fear, i have seen since 2014 from the maidan , yes, that we can be accused, that someone can agree something behind our backs, and there is always this fear, even when president biden said that there is nothing about ukraine without ukraine, and maybe this is correct, let us suffer a little psychologically, having such a fear than afterwards we will be disappointed with... we say that we trusted you, and that is exactly why we absolutely need to work and proceed from the fact that until

there is a victory, we will be constantly in danger, ugh, thank you very much for this discussion, let me introduce you, ihor zhovkov , deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine, volodymyr fasenko, political expert, oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the defense strategies center, were with us today, we are very grateful to you for this, we have the next report, the next, next week, it is important, as you already understood, so let's follow and meet. already on friday and we thank the defense forces of ukraine for the fact that we are alive, read carefully, understand what is written there, when they write, there is also about us, take care of yourself and ukraine, thank you. chevrons that bring victory closer, can

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anything that can work at night must work at night. boiler heating, charging gadgets, warm floor and heater, dry laundry in the washing machine, unload the power grid in the morning and evening, use the simple rules of a warm country, let's beat the winter together. 1.1 will continue the national telethon at this time we work in the format of the night watch discussion platform, i am yevhen plinskyi and today with me is my colleague, nataliya yarmola, a journalist of tsn, the author of an incredibly interesting and important film, which i think most of the audience,

1.1 have already seen, the film is called the sea of ​​kakhov, see the bottom, hundreds of thousands of views on youtube and i am sure that even those who have not watched it, will definitely watch it again after this broadcast, because it is actually filming the story live, that is, we recorded natalya with our team filmed virtually forever how the kakhov sea is changing after russia carried out a terrible terrorist attack on it by blowing up the dam, and today with us in the studio is one of the heroes of natalia's film, serhiy dubnyak, head of the hydrology and technical hydrobiology department of the institute of hydrobiological sciences, a member of the basin council of the lower dnipro, candidate of geographical sciences of ukraine, we welcome you, mr. serhiy, thank you for visiting, it will be very interesting for us and our viewers to talk with you to continue and discuss the story of the film, because well, despite the fact that

the movie just came out recently, but actually things keep changing there, every day, honestly, every day for myself, i'm discovering, as they say, the second bottom, the third bottom of this reservoir, because even now you see these frames, they're emerald green, which cover the bottom of the former reservoir, and this is some kind of fantasy, because the first thing we heard was that there will be a desert, a burned-out bottom, there will be a desert, sandstorms, and they painted a terrible future, but even here nature is on the side of ukraine and not everything is like that scary, as it sounds even in your name, moreover, i must say that we will now show a fragment about how the course of the dnieper has changed, we found a map, the institute of hydrometeorology helped us find a map from 1948 and we compared it with what the dnieper is like now, and it is simply fantastic, i suggest that we start with this fragment, in order to understand how nature returns its own, and then we will question mr.

serhiy, let's see, friends, whether the dnipro has now returned to its original... outlines, let's look at the 1948 map year, this is how the dnipro was before the construction of the reservoir, here it changed like this when the dam was built, but this is what it looks like now: 70 years of storms and precipitation have not changed the channel. mr. serhiy, the immediate question is how unique is this phenomenon, that when the river was flooded tens of kilometers to the sides, for tens of years, after the dams, the dam ceased to exist, it returns to its natural state, it is some kind of, as they say, there pam water, is it less something unique, and for you there were no shocking discoveries, as for the journalistic

community, in principle, everything is logical, if you look at the lotion of the kakhovsky reservoir, depth map, the former channel is clearly visible there, although, to be honest, in the middle part, well, the depth range is just shown there, it was not drawn so well, but here is the upper part, it was very clear where the former channel was, why , because there were the greatest depths, the channel was several meters deep, on the floodplain, accordingly, these several meters higher, of course, during the period when the reservoir existed, its bed was leveled gradually, that is, small muddy fractions, they settled in the first place precisely in the deep ones areas, including in the channel, but even almost 70 years of existence.

the reservoir was not enough to completely fill this channel, it is impossible, so it returned, the dnipro returned to where it was, and of course, now it will gradually erode the silt that has accumulated there and form a new configuration, but return to the geographical channel, it does not mean to return to the natural state of the river, which, what difference do you see here in which. in its natural state there is a river that now flows where gas leaked before construction, i might add a bit of skepticism to the underline, that everything, everything recovers very quickly, turns green and so on, the fact is that, well, first of all, after the reservoir leaked, we got not the floodplain that was once, but we got a river bed. which is different in terms of morphology, the channel, as we have already understood, it still remained, but those floodplains, the old lakes, they were also filled with silt, some areas

were elevated, on the contrary, they were washed away by waves and currents, that is why this is the bottom, it became more flat, compared to what the flood was in natural conditions, i.e. there were many lakes, old people, channels and so on, well now we maybe over time it will recover little by little, well, for now this relief is flatter, although, as shown itself, the very process of water outflow, then, also these depressions that were, they are also filled with water and such floodplain lakes are formed, one more point is important, the difference from the state that existed before the construction of the kakhov reservoir and the cascade as a whole, this that remains above the cascade of five reservoirs, that is, we got an unnatural river, where every year, well, not every year, but almost

every year there was a flood, when the water rose from the channel, flooded the floodplain, and so on, above us remained p' there are reservoirs, among them one very large one, the kremenchutsk, which was and remains the main flow regulator, it has the largest regulator. so, of course, it will not be flooded in the same way as this territory was flooded under natural conditions , that is, it should be expected that, this overgrowth that took place, it was the most intense, took place at the very beginning, why, because the entire territory was moistened , a mass of the seeds that were in effect, that moved from the shores with the air masses, fell on it, and on this

they quickly gave these hills to the moistened substrate, if the ceritoria will not be flooded in the future, what i am talking about, then it will dry out little by little, the groundwater level will decrease and it will not be as moistened as it was at the time of drainage, it will not be, i am so i understand, perhaps, well, first of all, there is such a continuous keel of greenery, as far as i understand, photos in bays, reservoirs that are somewhat distant from the main water area, there is no way to go there, although it is possible to assess the water area as a whole from space photos now, because these green areas, they are very well identified on the pictures, that is, there are also in the entire water area, but mostly these green areas are continuous, such areas of overgrowth, they are characteristic... precisely for bays, why, because it is closer to the shore, the seeds got there faster trees, other plants on this one

surface, that is, it is no longer a final verdict that there will be no desert after all, maybe there will be some pieces of silt in some remote areas, there may also be options when the silt dries up, and silt is an unstructured soil, and under the action of the wind it can to develop and so on, i have a question, tell me, the fact that the reservoir leaked so quickly, all the water leaked down, it means that it was very deep, it is a hole in the dam itself, because you told me that the speed of the water was 20 m per second, that's right, i remember when the first calculations were made, they still did not know to what level the dam was destroyed, because there was no such data, the first version was that it would be 7 m, because the dam has such a powerful concrete base, at the level of about 7 m, and higher.

.. there are already gates through which water was discharged during the flood, when the gas could not pass the entire volume of water, then the gates were raised and discharged through the spillway dam, but as it turned out , this concrete base itself was also destroyed, so well it is obvious that the dam was destroyed up to the bottom, which is natural, of course, under such conditions, practically, practically all the water flowed out, but the velocities, when we counted up to the seven-meter mark, they came out higher, because we took the volume that flows out, it was known by the change in level, and actually the cross-section of the opening that appeared, but when it turned out that it was larger, then somewhere on the order of 15 m/s maximum speed, well, as far as the process of water leakage and destruction of the structure

of the kakhov sea, it corresponded to the calculations that our hydrologists had , regarding a possible such course of events, because the topic of draining the reservoirs in ukraine, which were built there with some mistakes, we are also talking about this, i think we will talk about it, this was constantly discussed, but it was, well, there were theoretical calculations of what would happen if the water was drained, and that , which you have now seen, and the fortress was destroyed by the hands of russia. the water leaked out, to what extent, the picture you see now, how the water came out, corresponds to what our hydrologists modeled, well, in the case of some accidents, in the case of man-made disasters, to what extent it coincided with what you modeled and imagined? well, first of all, regarding whether to lower or not to lower, we have already said, the discussion has been going on for a long time along the cascade, but

of course there have been no real projects of lowering the reservoirs until now. the only thing that there were projects, in particular with regard to kremenchugsk, was to increase its water yield, especially in the summer period, that is , a deeper exploration of the reservoir than it was carried out was expected until recently, but as for the calculations of this breakthrough wave, then such calculations, well first of all, they... are there, but they are closed, closed information in the projects themselves, grebel and hesiv, because this is, well, an option that is always miscalculated, but what was available is the work that was carried out at the academy of sciences, the hydrometeorological institute did together with the representatives of the institute, the exact

name i don't remember the mathematical machines and so on, but they made such a model and even were, some time before the accident , the flooding area, well, as far as i understand, they calculated this situation quite accurately, that is , close to what was later observed in reality, well, they later, when it started already after the disaster, a working group was created at the academy of sciences, then they monitored this... situation and made co-adjustments to their model and so on, so to speak, it ’s all a miscalculation, even if there are miscalculations in the construction of hydroelectric dams, you investigated in your material dependence of people living around the sea, and cities and villages built over decades, tell me how much you were, well , not that you are surprised, yes, how much this dependence really exists and its importance.