[000:00:00;00] here they have, i don't remember the exact name, mathematical machines and so on, so they made such a model and even were, some time before the accident, the flooding area, well, as far as i understand, they calculated this situation quite accurately, that is, about until it was later observed in reality, well, they later, when a working group was created already after the disaster. in the academy of sciences , they monitored this situation and made co-adjustments, made their models and so, so to speak, that's all, but even if there is miscalculations in the construction of hessian, in your material you investigated the dependence of people living around the sea, and cities and villages were built over decades, tell me how much you were, well, not that you were surprised, yes, how much

this dependence really exists and how important it is for people of that water that appeared, well, despite the natural course of the dnieper. the dependence of people on water is simply colossal, but the dependence of our industrialists and our farmers on this water is even greater, because ah, when i asked people, everyone wrote under the film in in the comments, why can't we drill wells there and give people water, there's no need to touch anything, i asked, i asked people this question, they say, we drilled for crazy money, some depth, but the water there is bitter, it's not of the right quality, it gives some white sediment when they water their gardens, that is, it is even visually visible that it is water of a completely different quality, it may not even be usable for people, without additional purification, that is, for people it will already be golden water, if they to extract it from the ground, but i would honestly say more

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nataliya yarmola, author of the film kakhovskoe more to see the bottom, and serhii dubnyak, head of the department of ecological hydrology, candidate of geographical sciences of ukraine, once again welcome you to our studio, and we wanted to show you next. i will show you a fragment from natalia's film and show you the dependence of people who live around, continue to live around the no longer existing kakhovsky reservoir, their dependence on this water, a very interesting fragment, let's see, then we will discuss it. let's look at these arteries, from kremenchutsi, for example, kharkiv oblast and donetsk region, and kakhovsk region provided the largest volume of water to irrigation canals for agriculture. and city cisterns. even remote berdyansk, standing on the azov coast, drank dnieper water. if the total volume of water in the cascade there is more than 40 cubic km, then 18 of them, almost half

, are only the kakhovsky watershed. 18 cubic km, this could be enough to cover the drinking needs of the entire planet for a year. so, we saw that it was ours. strategic water supply, on which an incredible number of people, enterprises depended, agrarian. tell me, please, weighing now the pros and cons of restoring this reservoir , which opinion do you lean towards , should it still be rebuilt in order to feed all these thirsty farms, or leave everything as it is and find some alternatives? if i were an ecolomantic, i would probably be ... in favor of leaving it as it is and, well, not just as it is, trying to return the dnipro to its natural state, this is a general world trend, now in many developed countries that can

afford it because it is very expensive satisfaction, eh, the reservoirs are lowered, and the river to the river is returned to its natural state, they are engaged in the so-called revitalization of rivers, but in this case we are talking about a very large object, i do not yet know of such examples of revitalization, revitalization - this is a restoration, yes, well, a return to the natural state, and if we wanted to do it the way it should be, then we also need to invest a lot of money in it, and not just expect that everything will happen by itself, of course nature will take its course over time , but it takes a lot of time, by the way, i now... offers to connect an environmentalist who stands by the fact that nature is more important in this version, who explored the bottom of the kakhovsky pre-reservoir, also the hero of the film see the bottom, with whom we went on an expedition and saw what

it was like in the first days after drainage and as it became later, this is ivan moisienko, ivan, i congratulate you, we congratulate you, ivan, good day, you are already a little old. you also heard our conversation about the romantic environmentalist, what are your impressions after considering what is happening at the bottom of the kahovsky reservoir, what are you is the option closer to your heart to rebuild or leave everything as it is? well, the option that is closer to my heart is to look for an alternative, because as it was said that, as mr. serhiy said, this is a modern trend. i understand, and the map you showed, and the importance of the reservoir , that it is a very difficult problem to solve all these issues, and the supply of water supply and

at the same time not to fill the reservoir, i think that maybe there is an option like this , to make it not so large that it will simply be smaller, there are various options, and konku river yes, over there near vasylivka dniprorodnoy, cut off with a dam, we have such an example, well, for example, here is the bazavluk river, it flows into the kakhov reservoir, but it... at the same time, it is located, when i passed there, it was always impressive, yes , because the river flows into the reservoir, it is 10 meters lower than the reservoir itself, that is, it is implied that the river was dry, so it flowed and flowed, but then water was supplied to the reservoir by pumps, that is, it is possible that it will be some alternative an intermediate option, so that it is not to make such a huge watershed. and at the same time it will be possible to solve most of those problems with

water supply. mr. ivan, i want to ask you about the changes that you are following now, and in fact, when you and natalya were there, in the first days, when the water, the first expeditions, when everything really looked like the lunar landscape, the martian landscape , you told me that it hit me so hard, i remember, because really you are walking, there is mud everywhere , it is like this... it was still a little wet, so it was orange in color, and it was just fantastic landscapes, but already in a month we saw the changes, and i know that ivan moisienko has just returned from another expedition to kakhovsky , let's go before ivan answers and tells what he saw recently, let's show the audience the footage you filmed, the first days after of how the water went and how researchers were laid back then. equipment to lead the changes

, let's call it the evolution of the kakhovsky reservoir, let's look at this fragment, the area above the former dam, here is another problem, 2000 km that were under water for decades ended up open sky, a void the size of three kyivs. now i'm walking along the bottom of the kakhovsky reservoir. there should be a few more meters of water above me, the reaction is a catastrophe , look, shock, because it is not known what will happen, the space landscape, it seems that on mars, scientists spread magnetic markers on a muddy area, so that in a year they can check what it is overgrown, if overgrown, the areas along the bottom were the first to start turning green. on july 23, one and a half months after

the detonation of the hes near the village of maryansky, we saw how weeds and sprouts were sown trees this is the natural ambrosia growing already, well, for now, a weed that is undemanding, but with time, god knows how long it takes for a breast to be born here. this is how nature takes its toll little by little, and i know that ivan ivanovich and his colleagues are so brave that they have already returned to the bottom of the kakhovsky reservoir, and this area is dangerous, because after all, there are hostilities nearby, ivan moysienko, i want to ask you how much more the bottom of the kakhovsky reservoir has become overgrown and what yours were the impression of what we saw, well, we were shocked again, no less shocked than the first time, and we were also shocked by those thickets and the speed of growth, that is

, willow thickets dominate, well, with an admixture of poplars and other species, but mainly these are willow thickets, and here we were not specifically looking for the maximum plant , but the method assumes that in each plot eight plots were measured, the tallest plant must be measured, and we did not specifically look for the tallest plant, but in these eight sections, the highest was 3 m 8 cm, that is, this the willow that has grown since the month of june, basically, we have the footage that you shot, and it's just fantastic, so i want to illustrate your story with just that footage, you can continue with your impressions, and we'll watch, that is, the growth rate simply colossal and unexpected.

what could it be, there, well, half a meter, well, maybe a meter, but what will grow in a few months, well, in fact, almost a forest, yes, where you can no longer be seen, when you walk along it, you can no longer be seen, then, it was really impressive, no one expected this, and by the way, those spots, which we see bare, it is not because they are bare, not because the seeds did not get there, it is because they were recently freed: from the water that they were before, that is, the limiting factor of overgrowth was precisely in many cases, that that the water stood for a long time in some places, and as the water receded, it came to the willow thickets, ugh, by the way , these shots are so unique, when i watched your film, i saw that you used archival footage of the construction of hydroelectric dams there, and i understand

that 30-40 years from now, the next generation journalists will investigate your film and find out how the kakhov reservoir changed when, when the russians blew up the dam, but me... most of all, somehow the theme of mussels and mollusks, which lived in the upper seas and were a natural filter, got caught in your film , who filtered the water and constantly tried to purify it step by step, i also want to briefly ask mr. ivan about what is happening with the ecosystem in the water now, are there at least some number of these mussels left, because it seems 500, 500,000 tons and the volumes of these filters of natural elements were in the sea that remained of this, did nature have any tools at all in this, in this part of the sea that remained to filter and purify the water? well, i want to say that the changes that have taken place, we must not forget that

this is still, now the scenario is a little bit, it is going better than we, say, expected and many people thought, but still it is a huge tragedy, this a huge tragedy, what happened both below the dam, and in the black sea, and above the dam, and precisely these low-mobility animals, low-mobility animals and plants that during the 80 years of the reservoir's existence, they formed an ecosystem there, almost all of them died, that is , there simply could not be any adaptation there, and just the shells are a vivid example, yes, if we say...' birds or fish, they mostly flew away, although not completely either, and a large part of them died, there are fish, for example, or birds that were on nests, yes, chicks that have yet learned to fly, but shells, they could not keep up with that speed of water, and it is about

about the fact that billions of organisms, they died, instantly died, at the bottom of the kahovsky reservoir, a new ecosystem is forming, but it is a completely different ecosystem, it is clear that the shells remained, but maybe a single one, maybe a few percent, it is difficult to say right away, it is in those lakes and in those in the course of the dnieper, which now flows like a river, and not like a reservoir, but i still wonder where to find the balance between benefits for nature, for people, how to proceed, because on the one hand , i want people lived in comfort, i want nature to live, so that nature was comfortable, i actually wanted to ask about this, i know that you were one of the creators of such an alternative project for the reconstruction of the reservoir, filling it, but

not to the full extent, let's thank mr. ivan moisienko for the inclusion, thank you very much , ivan moisienko. a botanist, doctor of biological sciences was with us, mr. sergey, let's continue this discussion, how to find a balance, well, first of all, i would like to say a few words about shells, this is dreisen, first of all, it was precisely our institute that was engaged in evaluation, volumes of dead dreissen, they really are as it was called, and in general there was a question that they could be a big source of contamination because all this biomass that died is attached organisms, they don't migrate freely, er, they remained where they were, and when all this mass died off, they expected that there might be a lot of pollution , but thank god, the weather conditions were such that

there was no rain during the period while the dying was going on, and this is basically , they quickly dried up, yes, so that they, so that these processes are not, well did not have any catastrophic consequences there. and as for the reconstruction, well, the project, you are a bit like that, we are hyperbolizing, hyperbolizing, it is still too early to talk about projects, there are still separate proposals, and in particular, what our institute proposed, but on september 6, our director spoke at the presidium of the academy of sciences with a report on the consequences, specifically the ecological consequences, of the destruction of the kakhov reservoir. so, there was a proposed option of damming the northeastern part of the water area of ​​the reservoir, well, on the condition that in general it would be... if it were to be reproduced, but

keep this part, it is the most shallow, it is the one that is closer to the left bank of zaporizhzhia, that’s right, i understand, yes , well, if you could show it, it is from above, if you take from zaporizhzhia, that is, from khortytsy and approximately to energodar, the point is , that the channel of the dnieper, it goes along the right bank, so at first, starting from khortytsy, but already there, er, closer to energodar, it goes to the left bank, and thus, this is the entire territory that is to the left of the channel dnieper, it could be dammed, starting in fact from khortytsy to e, there will again be a large meadow, ours and it would be possible, yes, to try, if again, after all , the option is finally accepted from the construction of the reservoir, it would be possible to save this part from flooding in this way and there already carry out some, that is, this is a real

such compromise and balance between the historical value of these lands, which russia at one time deliberately flooded and destroyed, there is such a version, and the needs of the people who would have settled and were, well , living around the remains there, yes kakhovsky the sea, their interests, the interests of industry, in particular the agrarian sector needs that water, because the problem of the drying up of the land on the example of crimea is very well revealed in that film, why in general, crimea was at one time transferred to ukraine, a gift, so to speak , yes, because it was the water from the dnipro that led to the salvation of the crimean lands and the possibility of conducting at least some agricultural activity there, and here now this problematic of the years gave us the opportunity to see such a scenario that could be lands kherson region. because there was no dnieper water in crimea for 8 years and agricultural hectares simply

decreased by 10 times, from 130,000 hectares to 12, and tell me, do you agree with this opinion, that kherson region can wait without water, such a similar scenario for crimea, of course, the southern steppe , a change in climate, natural conditions, once there cossacks hid in the grass with their horses, but ... it was in the spring, when there was a sufficient amount of moisture, this grass developed wildly, and then it dried up, there were huge steppe fires and so on, i.e. , nobody is there i did not do agriculture in this steppe, but during the time that the reservoir existed, not only farms, but also entire settlements, people who live there, who are tied to what they can, have formed there, irrigation can be carried out

and there can be highly highly productive agriculture, by the way, it gives us the lion 's share of foreign currency income, yes, but tell me, please, and if there is a natural channel of the dnieper and it is not rebuilt , will this flow of the natural dnieper be enough to provide water, is there not enough everything still look, the natural flow of the dnipro under natural conditions could fall to 300 or less. cubic meters per second in the summer period, the summer period is exactly the period when there is a maximum need, on the one hand, the driest , lowest flow, and on the other hand, the maximum need for water, because the actual irrigation is mainly carried out exactly, well, the most - it's the end of spring, the first half of summer, and of course, only the north crimean canal is about 300 cubic meters per second, the dnipro would have to be, well, that's when it was working,

to supply water to the crimea, that is, kakhovsky, there is even more , 350 meters per second capacity, two dnipros are needed to saturate only these two canals, and there are also water users, others who also use water, the same a nuclear power plant, well, recirculation goes into it, most of this water is returned there, but also, this water also needs to be pumped in at certain moments, and the infrastructure that has been built over these decades needs reservoirs, on the riverbed, or all of this must be replaced in some way , or still, or somehow leave, modify and restore in such a way that it does not harm the environment and gives the opportunity for farmers and enterprises to work, i will add one thought, i just really like today's conversation, because it gives an understanding that... we have already started thinking about the future in our country there are even some alternative projects, and it is incredibly cool that despite the not terrible terrorist attack committed by the russians

, ukrainians are already thinking about, it should be noted that nature also helps us, friends, we will conclude with this, thank you very much, mr. serhiy , for joining our broadcast, and those who haven't seen this movie yet, i think if you watch it on youtube, in the description under this conversation, you will see a link to it, definitely watch and believe that in the near future we will succeed , and to liberate the ukrainian land and restore what was destroyed by the enemy on our land, this is the end, natalya yarmola , serhiy dubnyak, candidate of geographical sciences, was with us , thank you very much, friends, we believe in ourselves,

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