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have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future already now, the main and interesting thing in the verdict program by serhii rudenko. from monday to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10. welcome to the espresso channel. the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it will be to continue it, so we need to look for technological solutions and use them for a quick victory, because otherwise, sooner or later we will find that we simply do not have enough people to fight, this is one of the quotes of the head of the armed forces valeriy zaluzhnyi in an interview with the british publication, which is currently attracting the attention of the military, politicians and experts, and here in these materials worthy of convincing that the war with russia in its

current form, namely in a positional or entrenched state, cannot be won with weapons of the past generation and outdated methods. so now, along with the interview, the economist also published a large essay by the ukrainian general entitled modern positional war and how to win in it, and in this the directions for getting out of this trap of a protracted war of attrition are determined. according to zaluzhnyi, ukraine needs air superiority. these are as much manned aircraft as unmanned complexes for different purposes, these are improved means of radio...on warfare, these are enhanced counter-battery capabilities, the fourth is new demining technologies and the fifth - priority - is the opportunity to mobilize and qualitatively train more people, about how it will be implemented and for what period of time, and what other additional

questions are raised by this vision of valery zaluzhny, a look at the current state and the likely dynamics of changes in the war with the russian federation, and so on. the reaction of our partners to the course of hostilities. we will talk about all this in ours program with professional experts and our industrialists. my name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the defense information and consulting company, which is currently working together with the spresso company to highlight the most relevant defense, industrial, military and military trends. and now our guest joins us. this is oleksiy izhak, an expert of the national. to the strategic research team, mr. oleksiy, i welcome you, now we are establishing a connection, and while we are doing it, i will go in more detail then in the directions that valery zaluzhnyi

outlined how the technological things, which are primarily necessary in order to ensure a technological advantage over the enemy, to mix various technological solutions in order to... not be in danger of such a positional war, which it is now sliding into, valery zaluzhnyi first of all spoke about dominance in the air , but the issue of dominance in the air is not so much the number of fighters, planes, because during this time the enemy has strengthened air defense and the existing composition of the aviation complexes of the russian federation, in a certain way, of course, it can negate the appearance of those f16s that we have been waiting for so... long, and therefore, according to valery zaluzhnyi, we should bet on various variations of the use of unmanned systems, which can affect both the russian anti-aircraft defense and other factors. and now to us , we will talk about it in more detail with our

guest, who will represent the sector of unmanned systems that are developing in ukraine, and now we are joined by oleksiy izhak, an expert of the national... institute of strategic studies oleksiy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear. nabzaim, i congratulate you. i am sure that you have familiarized yourself in detail with the interview of valery zaluzhny, and with that essay, which defines the technological priorities, in the opinion of the general, related to the exit of the war from a positional one to a dynamic one, at the next stage, and first of all, i still wanted would start with your estimates of whether it appeared on time. this article and materials and what consequences it may have, because some say that it is untimely, because the mention of a dead end, it actually fools our partners who allegedly gave a lot of weapons, there are no results, while others say that the opposite is true , because this is just a demonstration of what stage

we are at, and what measures must be taken so that the dynamics on the fronts are really as we expect, your estimates of the time and consequences of these materials. well, it seems to me that it is still in time, and it seems to me that this is not so much an initiative of general zaluzhnyi, there, there, the article is called, his interview is called. by invitation, our partners simply want to understand what is happening and what is happening somewhere it has been said on the sidelines for a long time that there are no visible changes on the battlefield, well, i think it is better to say it now that there is a positional war, there is a fact of a positional war, than to wait until such negative rumors begin, until they begin,

conspiracy various theories that are happening, it was better, i think, to say, and yet, what is said, there, i will say, there are not even two articles, there are three articles, there is an actual interview, an essay and an own assessment the economist, well, such an overview of what is happening now, and there u the same issue was told at the same time what to do with israel there were recommendations, another front of the same global war , i think it is still timely, the article is not negative, i think there is nothing that our partners do not see and they didn't understand, i think, everything that was said there, after all , was discussed with our partners, and at the level of planning and various formats, and therefore i think it's just that, well, you can say, it's strategic communication, an explanation, to a wide in general, which, what will be the next stage of this

war, there are no thoughts that de-occupation is over, there is nothing like that , it clearly says that what must be done to win on the battlefield, and there is an additional emphasis from the economist, it seems important to me, everything is there this, but the economist ended not with the fact that technologically it is necessary to do, but with the fact that in the first world war, in fact, the victory there was not the same, and the technologies were too slow, and they interfered in politics, one of the empires collapsed, well, the empire, it was called the german empire, but it simply fell apart, although they won and were standing near paris, they will go to paris a little bit , but here something happened to them, well, that is, there i would say, this is such an optimistic positive, think about it... positive, that's why i think, after all

on time, we all now understand what, how and what to do, that is, in fact, you believe that the material is entirely, if not optimistic, then pragmatic, and it should not, in particular, create any negative perception in ukrainian society, that we begged to rest there in the choice of a dead end and further actually, well, we will wait, when we we will provide these technological advantages. and the technological advantages, yes, well, quite specific things are being said, and it seems to me, the same as a year ago, it seems, too, there was an article in the economist, an order, there was an order to our partners for the 23rd year, so to speak politically, this is the meaning of this article, the same article was, i think, in december or november of last year, then there was this order that ukraine needed, it said to reach mariupol, this is what is needed for this, now general zaluzhny said , which, well, we are grateful, but unfortunately it is too late

and technologies are changing and russia has managed a lot, now it’s a different order, it’s not more, not what was wrong, but it’s just the same, i would perceive it like this, a new order for the new year, what is needed for victory, it’s in the context global war with israel, if you look at how this issue is being discussed, and this is at the same time as the processes that are currently going on in the united states congress regarding the aid vote, i think they will still accept this aid, one way or another, and even well, various forces say that there will be help, but this one aid, under this aid it has already been said, well, what should it be spent on, so i think, after all, well, you can't say that it's all good, no, the situation is really bad in the sense that we will have to survive another winter

, a very difficult winter, but it's not what it seems, there's no hint of it, and there's a way out of the situation, i think it 's still, i'd say it's positive, still , and then the question arises as to how to look for this way out, because conventionally speaking, we really, here is your version, which conventionally speaking, is a request for a new format of help, which is not only about there samples of equipment, which are in the conditions. new wars, they are ineffective, it is necessary to look for a combination of technologies, tactics in order to create new prerequisites for the transition to a maneuverable war as such, but then the question arises that our partners will also have to rebuild concepts and help ukraine in those technological solutions, where they can help more than we can ourselves, and this means that the format of help for the near future, it should be measured not only by the number ammunition and transferred tanks, this means that our partners must then

reformat the vision of further interaction with ukraine as such. well, i would like to hope that this essay that appeared there on the economist, it first appeared with our partners, there, in principle, they are probably already working on it, it is not a secret for anyone that it was there 10 years ago, apparently, tourists used to say that when they found themselves in moscow somewhere in an administrative building, they found out on their gadget that they were somewhere in sheremetev, we also haven't heard about it for a long time hymars, about excali, well, yes, it is known that with enough, cheap enough chinese means, you can deploy a system that changes the gps signal, and there, you can actually solve this issue also with the help of ground stations. the most important territories of the world, europe, the united states, have these ground stations, but there is a certain policy

of the united states not to give too clear a ground signal, well, the countries have no hope. well, this element of such technological cooperation, if you can say so, well, it even exists, this is it the issue is being resolved, i think, and the united states, if they gave us the atacusas, which are also, like, which are also gps oriented, i think that issue was partially, at least resolved, before they gave us these, these weapons, so i i think there is a part that our partners should solve when they already supply us with weapons, this is what is said about the reliability of drone control, the protection of control channels and, well, those systems that rely on gps, there is nothing like that here, there are questions that has, we have to decide for ourselves regarding, as i understand it, well, there are no technologies in the world that allow you to easily pass

a minipele with a depth of 20 km, which are constantly replenished by these means of automatic... then there is also a hint here and there, i think this is something that ukraine itself has to work, well, the problem here may be that help is needed and help is needed in where exactly to create these facilities, taking into account the fact that ukraine is under attack, perhaps on the territory of our partners, but in general, the list that is there, that’s all after all, he is specific, here and there there are specific hints that how the issues are resolved, i... more than that, i think that part of it, if it became public , or if this list was brand new, no one had seen it, and now we 've seen it, i would say it's probably wrong, it is not necessary to make political statements regarding technological military solutions that are not yet in the prophecy, but if this, if everything is done correctly, i think everything is done

correctly, then at first all these directions began to be developed, reached a certain limit... the prophet of development and now there is simply strategic communication to explain what will be next war phase. of course, this is, i am telling a perfect picture, but i want to believe in this perfect picture, i have the right to believe in it and tell it, maybe i am wrong, but still between, between zero and what i say, well if 70 %, then that's good, there are five directions, four of them are really technological, that's exactly what you need. demining, counter-battery warfare , unmanned complexes, and each of these directions, if it is technological with new projects, then the implementation time is not determined, that is, we cannot guarantee at what moment we will be there are we getting any decisions out there that will really affect the battlefield, or does that mean that we then have an uncertainty factor as to when we will ensure that those

decisions are integrated and thus the issue of positional warfare until technological solutions come to our aid becomes ... such a factor that we will have to take into account and for a certain time act in the conditions of such a trench war, as we are currently acting in the confrontation with the russian federation? well, as far as i understand, even a retaliatory war does not lead to defeat, already next year, it just says that strategically, if the retaliatory war will continue, as in the first world war, then russia will win in such a war because of its mass, i think, after all, there is no question that there are two months before the new year in order to resolve these issues. of course, one must accept that there is uncertainty, otherwise there would be no need for such strategic communication. to say that it is necessary is an uncertainty in what i started with, the economist himself drew attention to this thesis that the first world war did not

wait for technological changes in any of the parties and in the end politics intervened, this suggests that even now there is no such complete confidence that technology will decide the fate of this war and politics will intervene, that is , one of the parties will not survive, it is simply hinted that it is not necessary it will be ukraine that will not survive, because there are many factors in russia itself, but in the end, the task is shown, i think , after all, it is not said there that everything must be 100%, must be solved, but certain certain, i do not exclude that, well, i would not be surprised if found out that, let's say, after a month, the effectiveness will go away again. and atakusiv, has become radically higher, that is, there have been some ground signal stations that allow, well , they allow, to restore this accuracy, i was not

surprised by this, but there are certainly such sentences, it seems to me that demining is the most difficult problem and from what was named, from such that, well, it is very uncertain, because there are no such technologies on certain technologies in order to pass such... mini fields, therefore, therefore, of course not everything, but there are things there that i think are determined that they can already be quickly resolved. oleksiy, can it be considered that , conditionally speaking, this publication in economist will be such a certain argument for the same american partners of ours who say that we want to see a plan, victories or a victory program there, then from the ukrainian side we will say that our strategy involves four technological directions there, if you help to really get involved there, then we can talk about some success on the battlefield, if not, then relatively speaking,

well, we have what we have, well, it seems to me that these processes are connected, those processes are more or less, i think they are positive, which are taking place in the house of representatives of the us congress now regarding the vote, regarding ukraine, well, after all, positive statements are being made there, even well, of all the spectrums that aid should be, then the question arises, what is this aid for, it cannot be, as before, here we see what, it is said here, honestly, what, in the end, the situation for ukraine even maybe not like that, if you look at the tone of western publications, maybe not even as strict as for israel, there in general, there are hints that political changes are needed, they directly say that netanyahu should go, that is. the fact that, and then, and then, money is given for this , after all, we do not have such a situation, yes, we are talking about the fact that, explain how you are trying

to restore the war of maneuver, the explanation has been given, well, it seems , well, maybe there are some additional political demands, but we do not hear them publicly now, we now see that there is a plan, restoration, well, offensive, maintenance the offensive and restoration of the intensive, so to speak, and we see on the other hand that there are still positive discussions regarding the provision of a large aid package before, well, before the presidential elections of the united states, here it must be understood that the money, that is the decision that is being made now regarding money to ukraine is the setting of a limit, it does not mean that the money that will be given right now is being decided, no, that determines it. limit, limit for per year, at least, and within this limit already at the level of administration, on the levels of our government will constantly find out these small

packages, there are 500 million, 300 million, which will arrive regularly every month, but here is the fundamental decision, that there is a vision and there is a readiness of the united states to continue helping, well , i would say that we are no worse off than israel. oleksiy, then you... the question, we are now paying attention to the fact that this publication is directed at our foreign partners, because it was published in a foreign edition, it is guaranteed to be read by everyone who is related to the problems of ukraine, and then, or this the publication, these essays, these technological trends set some tasks before our structures, the ministry of technology, the ministry of defense, the ministry of statistics, in order to somehow satisfy these needs, which are voiced by the general... zaluzhnyi, as it were , for foreign partners, what should we do ourselves? well, of course, that's all, well, it's just a matter of how...'

internal communication, if, if it turns out that this article, an external publication, is news for another part of the system, well, the security and defense system, well then , then it's wrong, i'd still like to believe that this is such a coordinated thing and everyone understands what needs to be done, and such a joint, well, joint application has been made to the outside, but of course, first any, any, any such, such a technological solution, it is apart from the actual western weapons , which should already arrive modernized, what i said, protected by the gps signal, and well, what needs to be done, the rest should be done first of all by ukraine with the help of our partners, well, yes, it is so, but if we have this it doesn't work out, and we say, do more and more things for us, well , i don't rule out that this is possible, but... they will

additional explanations are needed, and what exactly you can't do that, well, here's your money, here's your technological help, and what you can't do, but first of all, apart from what i said, i'm sure, it was said, that certain western weapons have to be modified to work in these new conditions, and the rest, well, mostly we have to do it with the help of our partners. alexey, thank you very much for taking the time to explain these to our viewers, for your expert evaluations, i would like to remind our viewers that it was oleksiy izhak, an expert at the national institute of strategic studies. and then we will talk about one of the five directions that valery zaluzhnyi proposes for a radical qualitative change in the conduct of combat operations on the battlefield, but we will talk about this after the advertising and information block. every day, every hour, every minute we receive a large

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information of the ukrainian army, based on valery zaluzhny's es, modern positional warfare, and how to win in it, valery zaluzhny says that to increase efficiency, it is necessary to develop and increase the potential of the ukrainian defense industry, which is absolutely logical, but when we talk about those four technological directions, one of them concerns the dominance in the air precisely at the expense of use and development the direction of the use of drones for various purposes. and now we are joined by the chairman of the board of the new energy alliance of ukraine, the commander of the white eagle special unit of strike drones, valery borovyk. mr. valery, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear, congratulations, congratulations, i am sure that you, like everyone involved in military activities, carefully read the interview of valery zaluzhny, and these proposals of the commander- in-chief regarding the use of drones in different directions.

what are your overall ratings after reading these posts? well, that's enough frankly, clearly, clearly, and with the definition of the strategy and with the definition of what is necessary, as well as with a rather critical analysis of the existing situation, with a sober assessment of the potential of the russian federation and the gains that, unfortunately, our enemy was able to make during this time ... to achieve, as well as where to go, what goals to achieve and what to focus on. quite balanced, balanced and such a clear interview, i liked it. and when we talk about the direction related to unmanned complexes, where valery zolozhnyi says that it is necessary to create a swarm the use of complexes that should jam the russian air defense system, provide...