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mr. bohdan here yet? yes, have a good day. good afternoon, mr. bohdan, i see you already, i am glad to welcome you to our air, well, let's start with such information. the russians announced that their main fighter, so to speak, su-57, is there of the fifth generation, well, in principle, they already recognized that it is not quite the fifth generation, less, but it receives a new missile capable of operating at a distance of 2000 km, that is... zaluzhnyi seems to be writing about the fact that the russians are already are more or less preparing for a meeting with the ukrainian f-16 next year, to what extent it can be a factor of long-range missiles that can, can they nullify the appearance of the f-16 in the ukrainian sky, yes, if we talk about the appearance of long- range missiles, then we have to understand that here, first of all, we are talking about the so-called winged ones

air-launched missiles, here and from the point of view of their purpose, they are still such, they are a continuation of the line of using cruise missiles to launch strikes on ground objects, here, if we talk about the possible missiles there, then we see that, in principle, and for the su-57 and for other versions of the aircraft, there were similar missiles earlier, but with a much smaller range, there, as a rule, we were talking about ee 200-250, a maximum of 300 km, but it is theoretically possible to increase the range there to 2,000 km , here, but we have to understand that something will have to be done after all to concede, because if we are talking about the su-57, then the missiles themselves are directly in this aircraft, they are located in the internal compartments, which limits the geometric dimensions of this missile, that is, it can be no longer than 5 m there, and of course

there are certain restrictions on its immediate thickness, if, of course, we talk about weight, then there is quite a large payload, that is, there is no problem with weight, here, but on the other hand, in order to use... missiles with a range of up to 2,000 km, eh, we see that russian cruise missiles usually use several types of engines on these missiles, this is primarily either soviet engines produced by motorsi, or, as a rule, they are russian engines, but which are manufactured according to the technologies and corresponding developments of motorsi, that is , in fact, they took an existing ukrainian engine, modernized it, created a certain their versionability and continue to use, that is, this engine is used on various missiles , including land-based, and the same calibers, etc., and of course, the use of such an engine, for example, on e, missiles that used su-57, will lead to the fact that they will have to make this missile lighter, they will have to reduce the size of the warhead

, that is, if the basic missile, there conditionally x59 there could have several hundred kilograms of the warhead, it will have to be reduced in order for this weight to give for fuel compartments. for only in this case will they be able to get a missile with a range of up to 2,000 km. but nevertheless, to talk about the russian s-400 systems, which are apparently modernized and can reach even the dnipro and dnipropetrovsk oblast, and in this way in the future, prevent the use of modern ukrainian aviation, which will be stronger than the nav-16, to what extent does this danger exist? these are quite significant risks, because increasing the range and coverage area of ​​air defense systems creates serious threats to any aviation, if we are talking about the conventional f16, then we must understand that this is still a four + generation aircraft, that is, it

is not an aircraft with full-fledged stealth technology, which allows virtually unnoticed to pass through air defense systems of the enemy and destroy or suppress them, therefore, of course, increasing the radius of operation of russian air defense systems, it will have quite serious challenges from the point of view of limiting the areas of possibility for the flights of aircraft in particular16, this is the first component, the second component, of course we must understand that for that, in order to reduce the effect of conventional long-range s-400s, it is necessary to deliver powerful, serious missiles together with the aircraft. saying, entering the area of ​​​​responsibility, the s-400 were even afraid to turn on their radars, because they understood that

a missile was already flying towards them, this is the first herd, the second canteen, of course, more long-range means of destruction are needed, that is, together with the f16, more takams missiles must be supplied in order to be able to use them, including for the destruction of systems against... air defense of the enemy , if we talk specifically about aviation, will the f16 become the, i don't know, game-changer that valery zaluzhnyi says, here's a spoiler that he does not mean f-16, but we know about it, but not less, can the f16 be a game changer, in what numbers are they likely to be next year, yes, if we talk about real impact on the battlefield, it is only possible with a supply that is appropriate... because after all, we remember , that the f16 and any other military aircraft is exclusively a platform, and its potential and capabilities are primarily revealed due to the weapons that are transferred with it, if long-range, modern and powerful means of destruction will be transferred together with the aircraft, then we will see very serious change of situation on

battlefield secondly, if, of course, we continue to be supplied with those weapons and those means that, in principle, were previously supplied for conditionally converted su 24s or migs 29s, then we cannot expect any significant changes, unfortunately, here is the second is an important component, we must understand that these means of destruction must be sufficient, that is, they must be supplied: there are not dozens and hundreds, but at least several thousand units of various types of missiles, in order to be able to effectively start operating this the plane, here is the second one an important component, if we are talking about the f16, then there should be an adequate number of them, and in order to reveal the potential of this aircraft at least on some separate section of the front, we should be talking about several tens of units, that is, it should be at least one or two squadrons, one or two squadrons. it looks like a realistic option in principle, they write that there can be exactly three squadrons,

that is, there are 30, six planes, for example, but in reality this is not enough to gain any advantage in the air, as far as we understand, yes, if we talk about gaining air superiority, we must understand that this is possible only if weapons or technologies are used that are in principle non-mirrorable to the enemy, because... if we are talking about the f16, then in principle on today, russia also has its own there, su-37, su-35, and other aircraft that are widely used and in principle they are somewhat weaker, somewhat similar to the f-16, that is , we are still talking about aircraft of the fourth plus generation, here , which are somewhat even, on the other hand, so that indeed, to make some asymmetric answer, then the next step would be very good. to receive, in addition to the f16, at least a small number

of fifth-generation aircraft, i.e. we are talking about the f-22 f-35, i.e. these are already aircraft that have a significant advantage over existing russian aircraft, and they could really go unnoticed, using stealth technology, to the territory occupied by the enemy, and there to actually destroy the headquarters, destroy the means of air defense, opening... the way for the usual f-16 aircraft there, which, in principle, in the territory where the enemy's air defense system will be destroyed, the means will be able to perform tasks effectively, safely, and by strengthening the already existing corresponding actions of the ground forces, if, of course, without this, then we will simply see that ukrainian planes, four plus generations, will collide with the russian planes plus a generation and says... that one of the parties will have advantages, to date it is not possible, and is it at all realistic, to hope for the b-35 in

some short perspective in your opinion, knowing that, well, look, so far unfortunately it is not even possible, at the same time, we have to understand that, in the medium-term , long-term perspective, ukraine will still have to completely switch to the western platform and only one f16, relatively speaking, for the next 1 20 years, ukraine will definitely not have enough . of course. what is the current situation with the training of pilots, by the way, do you follow it exactly, what is the latest information, yes, if we talk about the training of the flight crew, then as of today, it is known that the relevant ukrainian pilots who went for training , they have already moved to the so-called real canvases, that is, they have passed a significant part of theoretical training, passed the so-called simulator and instrumental training. and today their so-called flight training should already take place on real

planes, and these are f16 planes - these are not some training and training planes, they should be jet- type planes, since these are pilots who already had experience, so in principle they have this training is basic, now training should not take place directly on f16 aircraft, practice of various combat conditions, simulation, dogfights, etc., and already based on the results of this practical... flight training and passing the exam from the point of view of mastering the relevant situations and technical tasks on board the aircraft will allow them to obtain permission to operate the aircraft and begin to actually perform the tasks because, as far as we remember, they recently announced that the body of such parts, which were planned to be transferred to ukraine, has already been relocated or is being relocated to a training center in romania, that is, we see that this process it is happening little by little and in principle, after the completion of flight training, there is a high probability that during the second, first or second

quarter of next year we will see these planes in the skies of ukraine. well, thank you very much for this information, bohdan dolintse, an aviation expert, was with us, thank you for joining our air, in the meantime, we will go for a short break and then we will have a conversation with anna zharova, a public activist, a public organization israeli friends of ukraine, which is connected to us from israel, let's talk about what is happening now in this country, in fact, we have a lot in common now, you can say... the enemy is the world terrorist and autocratic regimes, let's talk about how the operation against hamas in the gaza strip is going, so stay with us, for a few minutes, let's continue the conversation, why

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we can no longer live like this with enemies on the border. and we all saw, let's say so, the results, yes, of this, singing, cohabitation, and , and, and society supports it, even people who can be said, they were more, of such liberal views, more than, well , the leftists, the leftist, the camp, and advocated... and only for the rights of the people living in gaza could they somehow argue this, but today, for every such argument there is a buga. evidence of terrible tortures, murders, yes, every day, every day in israel, articles are published

, telling the stories of people who died, and these are just brutally executed, families, families of nine people, of 10 people, a girl whose arm was amputated, who simply died in the arms of a paramedic, because she lost blood, for eight times, yes, there is a lot of evidence, terrible murders, so in israel today there are no voices that would, let's say, criticize more, yes, those actions that our army is currently taking in the gas, gas, for in order to achieve this. and once again we understand that on the one hand, yes, people who live in gas, let's say, those who are not terrorists, but we don't know, and there is and has been support

for this regime all these years, yes, but people who are not support, of course, they're in a terrible position, and even here , the other day we had all the blogs, you could say, there was a video where a cnn journalist, if i'm not mistaken, was doing a report, and one woman started screaming that it's all homas, he's to blame, and she started to be silenced, uh, that's why in israel really, today there is an absolute consensus that what's next, as it was before october 7, can't be any more , we very often imagine, probably from ukraine, israel, as absolutely mono. a national mono-ethnic state, but this is not quite the case, approximately every fifth citizen of israel is this, this is an arab, this is a muslim, or

this fifth part of the citizens of israel is the same, so yes, because of the same optics, they now look at this war, very correct, correct question, in israel, this is raised, and let's say this, at the beginning of the war. it was, as it were, not fear, but anticipation, one might say that israeli arabs can go out to protest, what can they support, there are voices, even there, medicine, some doctor in some hospital who supported, yes palestine, supported hamas and he was fired, someone there in the academy, but it can just be said on the whole country, which is 10 million, yes residents, well, all... nationalities, let's say so, and friends, and benuins , and arabs, and, let's say so, sectoral, yes, the society of israel, these are just voices, they,

like it lonely, very, very, and immediately, it was already adopted, let's say, a law was adopted, which, yes, if you support hamas, it is 100%. there is an immediate reaction, a reaction even, detention and possibly even detention for some, for some time, deprivation of liberty, well, they react to this, harshly and immediately, at the same time, i also want to say that in ukraine israel is an example very often now , in particular, and he also became an example now, when we look at how israel works in a situation of declared war. do you see the curtailment of democracy, for example, noticeable, or freedom of speech, or

attempts to control over, over the media. how does the government of national unity work, by the way. how was it the opposition, which so criticized netanyahu, literally left no stone unturned for him. how well did it all work? well, i think that today and indeed, since the beginning of the war, we have always talked, talked about the fact, even about ukraine, that there is a difference between the government and society, the society that supported ukraine from the beginning of the full-scale war, yes, the government was many questions, and, let's say, he was in no hurry to help ukraine, and we can say that since the beginning of the war, this division between society and the government has continued very to feel, because society is like that, it came together, and even people who have very different views, who went to demonstrations

against each other, and it started just in the first days of the war, when all the institutions in israel were not working and even today there are more than well, almost yes we are on next week it will be the month of this terrible war and trauma for israeli society, there are institutions that don't know how to respond, haven't stepped up yet, well haven't stepped up to the wheel for that. to really work and help people who help is needed, and therefore, various non-profit organizations, they were, let's say, on the social front, they came to her again, those who talked about each other, began to help, bring her provisions, provide psychological help, er find e-e apartments or rooms for evacuation.

urgent, and there is, there is unity, because , well, everyone really supports each other, about the opposition, the opposition immediately said that this war, it, it is ours, and let's put it this way, there is one goal, and that's why even we see, that benny is a ganz who was also in opposition to our coalition before benjamin netanyahu , he, let's say, announced that he is ready to join the coalition, he is ready to join the cabinet in let's say, he is the former commander-in-chief of israel, he was also the minister of defense of israel, and people who have, shall we say, expertise and experience, there are many, yes, many years, he joined

the coalition, despite the fact that there were some voices who criticized it, and you can say, our, the head, the head of the opposition yaer lapit, he, he decided to leave everything after all, to remain in the opposition, but gives full support, let's say so, to the actions of the government, everything that concerns the war, but not what concerns what about in society, how do all the ministries work, which were needed a long time ago, how does our the finance ministry, which, which is needed, as which, should, let's say yes, allow various business support programs, because we say, israel is a very small country, yes, in terms of even its geography, and and

territory, and over 150,000 people are people who would be displaced, yes, they are the ones who were evacuees from the north, because we have livanbulla there, and those who were evacuated from the south , and all this puts a strain on the well and it means that the business does not work, and about 350 thousand people were called up, yes milonameniks, reservists who left their jobs. and there are companies where even up to 10-20% of employees are now at war. ms. anna, thank you very much for your answer, we remain with israel, and israel, i think , with us, this is a joint, joint to some extent global war, and thank you for this conversation, by the way, president zelensky is going to visit israel, i hope this time everything will work out for him and he will be able to visit there, and thank you very much for being with our marathon today, it never ends, in fact, it

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