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tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, the program studio zahid, we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular we will talk about the situation in the american congress and in the middle east, will be extremely interesting. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and mark feigin. our first guest is the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, roman bezsmertny. mr. roman, i congratulate you. herayam slava. i congratulate you, mr. antin. well, two articles , different in their direction, different in their meaning, and generally different in their weight, and they testify to two different approaches and visions of the situation, the article by commander-in-chief valery zaluzhny in zeeconomist, where very certain things that await us all are clearly spelled out, and this applies not only to ukraine, but also to our western allies from the second.

on the other hand, a rather strange article by simon schuster, yes, not a first-rate journalist, but the article caused the effect of the explosion of a certain information bomb, you just got into the top ten, using the term different here, in fact, if you look at them with an experienced eye, then they are very far from each other, because it is both the depth of research, and on... and assumptions and conclusions, what concerns simon schuster's article, this is a public thing, i would even call it artistically public, and with that, a whole series of admissions, errors and so on, if in this area we want to get accurate answers, mr. antin, i recommend everyone to take the materials of the article and you will get

exceptional answers with documents, with by surnames on all issues that simon schuster writes, because his language is a language designed for the lower average, and the western reader, listener, that is, what is used in everyday life as materials for persuading a neighbor. and an acquaintance, for conversations in the kitchen and so on further. and the congressmen, mr. roman, perhaps it was also aimed at morally unstable congressmen or rednecks from the republican , trumpist milieu, so we understand what great debates are going on now, and here you understand, he threw his spoon, the intellectual level of the ukrainian parliamentarians, that american, we understand it well, we know it. because, as the classic

of ukrainian politics said, the parliament is the face of any nation, this is enough to understand that including this article was used in order to add or subtract arguments, but as for me, a person who has worked in the parliament for 15 years, there is no evidence, materials, there are conclusions that i can better... draw based on the materials, i already said, and in particular your broadcasts, the broadcasts of your other colleagues and the materials of tetyana nikolayenko, where the facts, evidence, surnames and so on are laid out. now, the material of general zaluzhnyi, with what it should be compared and why a colossal methodological mistake is made when the analysis takes place at the level. shuster is diligent. i am asking

everyone who will hear us now, please take the article signed by general zaluzhnyi and general zabrodskyi. dated september 9, 2022, these two articles are an analysis, a serious and in-depth analysis, in the first case of the results of the 2022 war campaign and the plans for the 23rd year, where everything was explained in great detail, what concerns the current article is the summary of 2023 and the plan: for 2024, if you compare these articles, it becomes clear that the conversation about who is more to blame in this situation is completely meaningless, and i

i will not explain all of this now, because at the level of my emotions in relation to the conversation, shuster is now lazy, this fact, he, he is absolutely, well, not needed from my point of view, because the material was considered in depth in the article of zabrodskyi zaluzhny and now zaluzhny , the analysis of the situation and the perspective of its consideration is so intelligently and competently presented, i will give you only one example, the article of 2022 ended with one point, that the best development of the situation is to occupy ukraine during the campaign of the 23rd year, and the key bridgehead crimea, for this article it was necessary, and when

you look at this list of necessary things, you will understand, yes, who in this situation cut corners, well, a little hint from... in march , there is a conversation about million ammunition of the european union. ugh, who i can put a lot through. in particular, at the end of the article itself, it was printed on ukrinform, there was a photo of atakams. now, i move to the current article signed by zaluzhny. that's right, there are summaries. of the 23rd year, yes variability, what can be further, and what can happen if the current constant is preserved, and what needs to be done so that the situation develops in a positive direction for ukraine,

for the whole world, the only difference is that hersh and shuster can write emotions. the essence of which is that how to evaluate it, a world war, a local war, and so on, what will happen to the american voter, the ukrainian voter, general zaluzhny, general zabrodsky, they have no right, because they are not politicians for this, they provide a clear scientific basis, an assessment of the situation, as the military, as generals, in whose hands are... hundreds of thousands of soldiers' lives, hundreds of thousands and tens of millions of civilians, ah , so first, as a general summary of this article, the main epicenter of today's attention

should be on the comparison of the article by zabrodskyi ancient times and the current article, and understanding what can be... in force, and here antina, i do not find words to describe the actions in the congress of the united states of america, in the information space of ukraine, in the actions of current ukrainian officials, because for i am here, we had lunch, in the conditions when the nation is at war, this, this should not be about us, this is the first and second, if... congress demands a report for 106 billion, so it must be submitted, of which 2/3 they never came to ukraine, these damn reports should be submitted, including

those who received these funds, because i will say it again, of these 106 billion, 2/3 have nothing to do with ukraine, they never come here, roma petovych, and in general, why such a strange discussion is currently taking place in the american congress, well, not trump the only one, here we come to the key story, as you really think. the situation will develop with help, so we understand that there is still about a year before the elections in the states, and the situation can sometimes take on tragic aspects, because we understand that commander zuluzhnyi very clearly wrote out the situation, so that we need in the conditions of a protracted, long war, here they tell us to give reports, dear dear ukrainians, for the money, as you rightly pointed out 23, our budget did not see. the first thing is to build relationships, including with

the congress of the united states of america business relations and let us refer to this cooperation, because it, these figures and these reports at the end , well, what is called total, you know, when the journals are written at the end of total, ends with very serious deep changes in personnel and the responsibilities of those. .. who allowed all the things he says about, i say once again, not shuster, but tetyana nikolayenko, because if you read her materials, there are proofs and testimonies of who did what, who bought eggs for uah 17 per piece , who signed the contracts according to which unfulfilled conditions, non-delivery of weapons, ammunition, and they are not going to fulfill them, why did it happen that those who are responsible for

the implementation and conclusion of these contracts, after the change of the minister of defense, were appointed again by the ministry, to carry out the same operations, you understand, when you understand that these materials are owned by the congress, and these are not shuster's articles, it is very serious. not factage, because you remember, earlier, the director of the cia came and informed the president, as you and i have said more than once, about these nits that are in the offices and that rub on at the front, as you can see, for the last six months he has not even bought a ticket to the front, that is, he is not even going to go, because everything that was...' has been said, it has already been said, the situation today, in fact,

came to the moment when both the president and the defense minister need to clearly build a system of relations with the congress and the pentagon, where what we are talking about is open to both sides and subject to mutual control. i will remind you that in march, the pentagon, the congress, and the state government opened it lines, these lines are open for informing contractors, subcontractors, contractors for procurement by ukraine and various departments, components are armed and so on, and you can provide factage along these lines, so in kyiv they cannot understand that those with whom they tried to negotiate take it back, they already a long, long time ago... informed the pentagon, the state department, the congress about what is being done

in the departments where these irreplaceable people sit, because they cannot be replaced in any way, so in fact, if you were to ask me, what should be done , and the commander-in-chief must boldly and courageously make several personnel decisions and then sit down with the congress and the state department. with the pentagon, depending on the rank, ranking of officials, a conversation about what to do with the amounts that have already passed and how to further use the resources, i want to insist once again that the united states does not refuse, has not refused and will not refuse assistance ukraine, especially, i emphasize this to the attention of the republican, but in order for there to be honor and dignity and

an automatic solution is necessary, well, these facts, which ukrainian journalists write about repeatedly, well, even if they were reduced by three times, well, you can’t do that when 40% of the contracts that were entered into, and in the first half of 2022, on today, they are simply... at zero execution , and money has been paid for them. now, mr. antin, i will not touch those contracts, those agreements that were paid to ukraine. budget, i am not talking about the fact that there are european resources that were used, and i want to return to our conversation after on march 22nd, when you and i agreed that in the current situation , in the situation that was taking place, it is very important

to form a joint process management center, moreover, you and i... talked about a joint command, moreover , joint forces that could carry out operations, the fact is that this emotional frontal attack, where on the one hand they tell us that you are not delivering to us, or you are not giving us what we ask for, and on the other hand, you are not using the money that way , it is silly, no, it's not just silly, it's dangerous, it can deepen emotions... crisis and lead to the so-called conflict of misunderstanding, i.e. these are two semantic systems, the dynamics of the processes indicate that the world is approaching a global conflict. if the world understands this, then in fact there are two points on the planet earth today, which depend not only on the current situation

and the future world order, they are ukraine and israel, politicians, and i am convinced that no matter what concerts are held there during the election campaigns in the united states of america, both among republicans and among democrats, and in in principle, the majority of american society understands how important support for ukraine is, here it is important to comment on this emotional confrontation, which you also broke out, because i understand how dangerous it is, when... reads what you are not providing us, and on the other hand side, and you are not using money like that, you begin to understand that on both sides, it is obvious that those who internally cannot understand the danger that hangs over the world have gathered, therefore this set of questions, this knot of questions, you know, he reminds me, periodically, of mine

girls used to throw me their eyes, chains, small chains, you know, that’s how they tangle them there, toy women, there are up to a dozen of them, and then they bring them to my father, he only untangles them, as long as they are as they remain, i sat down with these chains three or four times, i didn't have enough patience, i broke down because, well, how can they get so confused, and then i found a day, said, no, they need to sit down and untangle them, and calmly, understanding the whole answer. for the situation now facing the political leadership of ukraine and of the united states of america, to take these tangled chains and calmly untangle them, to answer each of these questions, for this is not a case to be offended or held courts of law, those who should

answer should be brought to justice, those who should replace, they are not irreplaceable. they must be replaced, but what general zabrodsky, general zaluzhnyi wrote about in the 22nd year, and now what general zaluzhnyi wrote, it must be implemented, hence it is very important, first, despite the fact that we are all in in conditions of extreme tension, to gain wisdom, including, especially in international relations. because then i think to myself, well, to arrange this concert with relations with the congress and to talk about what is happening today in slovakia, in hungary and not be able to form an answer, well, it looks a little frivolous, and

so, in conclusion, i am convinced that there will be wise people, and from one of the other sides they will give an answer to this question, because the danger that the führer poses to ukraine, europe, and the world is colossal, it global, because i want to emphasize it once again, what happened in israel is the work of moscow, tehran and beijing, we should stop thinking that what is developing is some random scholastic events. thank you dear. roman petrovych for this extremely interesting and important conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers that now roman bezsmertnyi , a ukrainian politician and diplomat, was working for them. why am i here

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of the state duma, will be working on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, mark, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, i salute anton, i salute all the spectators. well, i would like to start our conversation with an analysis of the so-called dagestan pogrom, which, on the one hand, did not materialize, on the other hand, we saw how they tried to organize the picture that the kremlin needed, on the other hand, there is a feeling that the kremlin... is becoming in control perimeter, in particular, it concerns the same dagestan, and in fact, i would like to ask you, and who can be behind the attempt to organize all those things, as for these events themselves , look, they started, maybe, as it often happens, from an excerpt from some or other post in telegram , with some kind of appeal, accidental, as a reason, you know, not a reason, but a reason. well, let's say, yes , the morning of dagestan turned to the salafis, the salafi youth , which is abundant... represented mainly among the avars, as far as i understand, in dagestan and makhachkala, to support with active actions, direct actions with actions, here

that means a purge of the jews, and some of them could have started to run, but here is another question, they were running for the whole day, somewhere in hotsovoert to a hotel, here to the airport, there even a rally the next morning they proposed to announce, that means they go, check documents, break into the airport, take out office equipment, break down doors. and no significant force is visible that would prevent this there, yes, not even the roshvardiya, which is growing, which means from under the ground, there is the fsb, something else, nothing of this kind, all day and in the evening they run around the airport, the flight strip, they ask, that is, they search for jews and so on , in my opinion, they did not find anyone, as far as i understand, and literally, well, probably, at night and the next morning, only some the forces that were there, they did not go anywhere, they did not land, they were stationed there directly in dagestan. the forces of the roshvardiya and the army are there, and there are none in the north caucasus. can it be argued that this situation itself was provoked somehow

the reason, i emphasize, we will tell the reasons, and we ourselves... fsb or curators who somehow act through their structures, because this is the morning of dagestan, as they say, they are there in turkey, there are several people sitting, true, not true, well in general, there is such a dark story, do they work, do they interact with any of these people, yes from dagestan itself or from the kremlin or from lubyanka, i do not know, but i can allow such a thing, why not, because they provoked it the audience, then they ran, they were looking for something in the fans, well, in propellers were searched for in these...turbines, now about the reasons, well, first of all, unequivocally , a completely anti-semitic atmosphere in the kremlin , and it has finally stopped. , such absolutely anti-jewish, anti-israeli, whatever, as any epithet is suitable, now these have also ceased to portray there any kind of tolerance, tolerance, any kind of mutuality, that we are with others, openly in direct text, at the same level as

before, we are well acquainted with you positions of soviet state anti-semitism are clearly defined: jews are so-and-so, they are unreliable, citizens of the jewish nationality, which means that these are some special people who should be labeled as such, because it is not at all clear what and how they are, and the kremlin took this position, supporting hamas, specifically hamas, is not accidental, listen, they are their allies, they have been their allies for many, many years, already under putin, i am not talking about the previous years, well, hamas itself arose there not so long ago after all relative to op or fatah, of course they are their direct allies, they support them in everything , these support these, those support those, excuse me, hamas spoke in february, at the end of february, when the operation began last year, the so -called special military operation of ukraine, with full with the support of moscow, against ukraine, made anti-ukrainian statements, yes, well, we are not talking about iran, everything is clear with iran in general, one wonders why

ukraine itself was not supposed to be. don't support israel, that's where the logic is, don't support hamas no matter what, but ukraine should have, that is how that's all this is self-understanding, statements that sound, well, look, at this meeting, putin says, he says to me , his fists are clenched when he sees the peaceful population dying there in the gas, yes, they are clenching at you- where you have them shrink, with whom you want to fight with israel or in the face of israel with the western world, no, well, if we have already talked, you know, about the suffering of the arab population, it is worth mentioning simply because... blowing phosphorus bombs of the same aleppo and not only aleppo, you know, or something the wagnerites produced, yes, yes, and i want you to, they killed with sledgehammers, they killed with sledgehammers on camera, they killed in agans, that means the participants of this syrian resistance, they killed with sledgehammers, and they used chemical weapons there, moscow used chemical weapons, tested them in syria and what -no one had anything to shrink from, and the victims were completely incalculable in scale, hundreds,

hundreds of thousands died. syrians understand, not to say so, about all other things that sound cynical and duplicitous and so on, but they have reached the goal, the islamic world as a whole, if we are talking about it as a whole, yes, it is, as it were , on the side of hamas, on the side of palestine, in this case hamas is the frontman of this topic, when they talk about the freedom of palestine, the safety of gaza, that’s all about hamas, it's not just about palestine , you know palestinians live in different places, nobody would throw something on the west bank of the jordan river, would you agree that they throw bombs, kill children or someone, what is there? no, he is fighting with hamas, yes, the fact that the peaceful population is dying is completely and entirely our responsibility hamas, if there had not been an action on october 7, it would not have been only the murder of 1,400 israeli citizens in the south of israel, but the taking of 220 hostages, well now they say 220, then 240, it is not known exactly how many died, but forgive me, all full responsibility

for all the consequences lies with hamas, because you, or rather, it was always possible for you, for them, to be precise , during the october 7 march, to return the hostages, lay down the arms, stop the resistance, and so on, and this was offered to them, they considered that they can play like this with the population of palestine in the gas sector, subjecting it to the most terrible threat of danger, death, as a result of retaliatory actions, this is a question of ensuring security, this is a question of punishing the guilty and from... this will not be abandoned, let the ground operation proceed, it is so in phases it is going, sectorally it is going, not, so to speak, on a large scale, but nevertheless it is going on , and from this point of view, of course, moscow has taken an unequivocal position, anti-israeli, pro-khamasov, and is doing everything so that israel loses first in the information war, he already lost it, that is a fact, and then he also lost a purely military situation, so to speak