[000:00:00;00] i saw from certain such courtiers, so to speak, political scientists who are close to the president's office, when they started talking about what general zaluzhnyi says and this program of arestovich, they are very similar, i don't know why this is necessary , to put on one such scarf of a diligent arrestee who needs it, and after all, arestovich knew something before, that he made this program public, how should we treat this person, who at the beginning of the invasion talked about two or three days, now she talks about that you have to put up with russia, look, i give comments more of a foreign policy nature, i give very few comments, especially on personal ones, which concern our domestic policy, i can only say, first, yes, how it is evaluated abroad, by our partners, well, first of all, well, the topic elections, it is also discussed,

perhaps. they are in the public sphere, but discussions are constantly taking place and hints are also in some places, why, i will explain, because both the united states and the european union are entering the cycle, pre-election, political forces are also being updated, and there is such a, so to speak, well, the suggestion from their side is that maybe we start looking at this issue as well, because the context of the war, it is the key to the organization of the elections, but everyone also understands that we cannot say when the war will end and how long it will last, what concerns our internal political conflicts there, let's say so, especially in recent days, it is also monitored and reflected there within our partners, because they, taking into account

the fact that they support ukraine, taking into account the fact that they are ready to separate financial tools, they are also concerned with those democratic processes that, no matter what , must continue, and the democratization of our society requires the functioning of healthy political forces, political parties, and political leaders, who will primarily be guided by value guidelines, and not by something else, that's why all our internal political... component is also meticulously evaluated here, and i would like us to go to a slightly different level, as internal political discussions, also, if it will be, yes, the time will come, and she yes, it is predicted that when there will be some electoral measures as well, so that we will still build it with the understanding that the enemy will not wait just like that, with folded

hands, he will try, after all, also politically somehow through some tools, although they are now maximally limited in their influence, or at least there will be such attempts, so that we also have certain political crisis moments, we must do everything to prevent this from happening. thank you, mr. bohdan, bohdan ferenc, expert of international and candidate of political sciences, was in touch with us, and now we are adding to our conversation yevgeny sova, a member of the knesset from the ndi party, knesset, mr. yevgeny, you are welcome, good day, friends, we are glad to see and hear you, actually, mr. yevgeny, we have already, today i had the opportunity to speak also with a representative of israel and from a public organization, and she said that today israel is experiencing such, such an unprecedented, possible unification of all, and

in particular. even managed to create a government of national unity, actually, my question will be because today for us very much, we, we closely follow how israel responds to the challenges that the war poses to the state, and for us this experience is very interesting, in order to possibly understand what we can improve for the same greater unity within our society, in your opinion, this decision to create a unity government, to what extent did it work, how much did it increase trust in the government, and did it also increase the effectiveness of governance in the state? well, you said correctly, when a government of national unity is created, it is without a doubt affects the spirit of our military, but the fact is that after the tragedy, after the unprecedented attack by hamas on october 7, and many people simply started helping each other

without any connection with politicians, the government of national unity, it was created a few days later, by the way, we from the beginning, i represent the nazhdom israel party, it is a party in the opposition, and the leader of my party , the former minister of defense, former minister of finance, dor luberman, stated in the first minutes that we support the entire government, we do not have any political parties now. ambitious, i believe that vikdor lieberman should have been in the government , that is, in a narrow cabinet, we have a government, there are 38 ministers, we have a narrow cabinet on security issues, that is 14 ministers, that is, there are heads, and heads coalition factions, we also have the so-called war cabinet, that is, it is the narrowest cabinet, which includes the prime minister and the minister of defense. now there are a few more ministers who are from the former opposition party, today they joined, these are benny gantz and agadiya zinkot are two former chiefs of the general staff, well, everyone thought that avigdor lieberman could also be in this narrow war cabinet,

however, politics did not completely disappear, even during the war, for various reasons, vygdor lieberman was not offered to join to such a narrow cabinet, therefore we formally remain a party in the opposition, but we fully vote on all the government's proposals, we fully support all the government's initiatives in the knesset, the point is for you to understand that we form the government from the knesset, that is many of our ministers are also members of the knesset, and today we said that we will not interfere, but this does not mean that we agree with the government's actions in everything, not in the military, mainly in the public, economic, social plan, but for example, a number of ministries are not working sufficiently, as we would like, that is, the ministry that should ... оказывать помощь. let's talk, but here we are there are complaints, for example, about some

economic ministries, in particular the ministry of finance, we are already, not even on the threshold, we have already entered an economic crisis, because war is an expensive business, every month of war it costs us something like 4 to 5 billion dollars , so it is necessary to take measures now, we have a lot of... private entrepreneurs who were summoned on the urgent summons on october 7 actually suffer twice, except that they can develop their business, but they will also they only have the opportunity to earn money later, because they need to return their business to the initial, that is, the pre-war period, so we naturally lobby for all these issues within the knesset, and as for your beginning of your question, what experience can be adopted for ukraine, but i think , for this you need to understand what is happening in ukraine, to give advice to the ukrainian authorities, but if they ask me, i will of course be happy to say something, maybe it is more about the ministry of integration, after all, israel is a country , which for many years has been engaged in the repatriation of jews, that is, in 75

years, 3.5 million jews from all countries came to israel to repatriate, that is, this is also absorption, this is repatriation, this is , respectively, connections with the diaspora, but taking into account the number of refugees from of ukraine, which are in charge of... the affairs of ukraine, i think that the experience of the ministry of reintegration is possible, just like the experience that you will need for the return of citizens of ukraine after the end of the war, but there are many different, different examples for cooperation, it's already how it would be, it's not, it's not for tv, it's a separate topic , a separate conversation, let's talk sometime, this week our commander-in-chief published' and later such a discussion of this article appeared, was it worth it for him to write, to speak, where he described a little about what is happening at the front, that the situation at our front has reached a dead end, and already today

the president's office recommended not to publicly disclose information from the military, such as the military did not report the situation at the front and about the course of hostilities. how is it happening in israel, how do you have the military commenting on what is happening, or people , ordinary citizens who are sitting there in front of the tv screens, listening to the radio, reading the press, are they aware of what is happening, and i will add , is some kind of military censorship implemented, or is it somehow felt in the news and in the media, well, military censorship always works in israel, it is forbidden, for example, to name the names of fallen soldiers before the army allows it, because first of all the families... of the dead must to find out that their loved ones died , but it is forbidden, of course, since the second lebanon war, since 2006, it is forbidden to show on the air the locations of rockets or any things that can directly threaten the security of israel,

military there is censorship, in every newsroom, i will tell you a little secret, this is not a secret, this secret is reserved for the israelis , but in every newsroom there is an english language, even in the newsroom of the russian-speaking ninth channel, where i once worked many years ago, there is permanent representative of the military censors, as a rule, are army officers who check this or that message on the air or with it, for example, they consult before launching any plot, where there may be details, for example, of those actions, but your question is absolutely to the point, because, unlike previous operations , military journalists received information as a rule, previous wars in gaza, even in lebanon, at a certain stage even invited journalists to enter together with the troops, and now we have the twenty-eighth the day of the war, as far as i know, we are not talking about any visit of gas journalists, again, i may be far from the journalistic fraternity today, but what i

hear is that it is not planned yet, after all, in our country there is such a thing, you know, fog - from the point of view of the media, because military journalists receive one or another thing, but not in the same amount as in previous wars, that is, let's say, for example, no one discusses in detail what operational details, no one on the air, for example, tells about the number of troops that all the gas is located - this is also a topic - it is hidden, that is, they say, for example, there are some common phrases, well, how am i, as a member of the knesset, i am in the commission on foreign affairs and defense, and we periodically confirm this or that in the commission the requests of the army, for example, regarding the number of conscripts for reservists or some things that we must control, because the task of the parliamentary commission is to control the executive power, that is, the ministry of defense, and of course i know a little more than journalists, but naturally, i can't say it either on the air or in personal conversations.

but this is enough to understand the picture, and as for the citizens of israel, they certainly do not see the whole picture, they do not see , for example, what is happening directly in the sector itself, but the servicemen who serve with whom they communicate, and their families, accordingly, their mobile phones remain on the territory of israel at the moment when the troops cross the border and enter the sector directly to carry out combat tasks, that is, it is mainly combat some call their parents or their wives and say, that's it, that's it, starting tomorrow morning, i will be unavailable, because my phone will be turned off, accordingly, everything is certainly tense now, because no one knows what the fate of loved ones who are inside the gas sector , this is related to your question, how they cover, well, the army, of course, every day and the head of the press service gives a briefing three times a day, at which he answers the questions of journalists and... he reports, he publishes a

lot of videos, that's what i see , you show one thing from such videos, this is a video published by the press service of the army with a detailed description of where, who was killed, in what place the strike was carried out, there, well, that what the army considers necessary, the army will certainly distribute, sir, just clarify for myself, for us, i think it is very important, for the journalistic community, in principle for ukrainians , that is, the prerogative to cover the war is primarily the press service of the army and it gives a briefing to journalists three times a day, the head of the press services, the head of the armies in armies, see there is a special position in the army, the army censor, he is a colonel, with the rank of colonel, he naturally works directly with the head of the army press service, our press service is headed by a brigadier general, by the way, he comes from the marine special forces, so this is a person who knows and is well informed about combat actions, and he knows what the infantry there is and what the battle is... therefore, in this regard, he has no problems, that is, he

knows all the details, i am talking about daniel hagar, the brigadier general, who even in several a few days ago, he even allowed himself to be somewhat noticed by the state when journalists asked him to comment on the statement of the president of turkey erdogan, but he did not hesitate, he also responded and gave his comment, that is, broad powers for commenting, i understand, still very briefly i just want to understand to the end if there are any manifestations of something that could have been hacked: how is political censorship now being introduced in israel's media pore? no, there is no political censorship in israel, in israel one can say whatever one wants from the point of view of politics, but there is, as you rightly said at the beginning, a sense of unity, and unity implies what criticism, such unambiguous political criticism, should not be at that moment when our military is fighting, and everything is fighting there, both the right and the left and secular, religious, those who voted for the government and those who did not vote for the government, and when... they see that at the top, the politicians have stopped biting and

even though would leave some during the war disputes, except stank, of course this has a good effect on our military, but there are many complaints about the residents of the settlements of the district, southern cities, this is already a separate story and, of course, there is a lot of criticism of the government, but what about of our military, then the attitude is combative, and this is also thanks to the fact that there is unity at the top, politicians are showing that now is not the time for some disagreements. mr. yevgeny, thank you for such an instruction on how it all works in israel, yevhen sova, knesset member from the nash dim party, israel, and vice-speaker knesset was with us. on the phone we talked about how military censorship works in israel and how the government of national unity works there, we actually asked a lot fewer questions than we wanted, we really hope that we will be able to, i will have the opportunity to continue this conversation with mr. ivan sova, mp the knesset and the vice-speaker, for example, i would be very interested to ask, for example, how

they feel in israel, for example, about those now, well, really manifestations of anti-semitism and so on, which have swept the world, i wonder how it is happening, for example, whether they also support this gender for example, non-israelis, or israelis, arabs, because such 20% are approximately in society, in short, there are many, many questions, i think we will have the opportunity to ask them, well, dear friends, and now you will have an interesting interview with a soldier , who in recent months, in recent months alone, has interrogated more than fifty captured occupiers, and at the request of our editors, he spoke with one of them, the unique details of the work ... with captured russians, look further to your attention, you are engaged in interrogation, right, including, what, what other duties do you have, what

can you say probably nothing else, what is your name? malanov aleksandrovich, where are you from? i come from the city of blagoveshchensky, samursk region. how old are you? 35 years old, the war of 2014 caught me when i was still at school , and i was in the senior classes of school. at that time, it was such an event that really affected me personally. crimea, i remember very well, the spring of 2014, i remember very well the mood of the people around me, and how and why people first came to the maidan, the protest

for democracy, european values, it was it's really hard to stand up here in donbas, there was a population, it was a lot, but there was very strong pressure, even from your peers with pro-russian views, now the situation is definitely better, but then in 2014 it strongly affected the views, and what about your side already influenced the decision to join the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine ukraine, you like to communicate with captured russians, right? i'm interested in this, and you don't feel an influx of negativity at the same time, here conditionally, you don't want to go there after several days in a row of interrogating russians to blow for two days, there is such a thing, there is such a funny effect when

you spend a lot of time with them, communicate a lot, you are with your information bubble, you fall into theirs, you fall into theirs, you have to leave a little, but over time you acquire skills to it didn't have a negative effect on you, how did you manage to get out of it in the first place? there are no special techniques and skills here, and it does not cause a particular depression or desire to drink for three days afterwards, it's just that you never forget who is sitting in front of you, in front of you there are enemies who could kill you... at any moment, what was he imprisoned for, imprisoned for murder , i can fully describe the whole story, tell the whole story, he worked as an installer of cellular communications and satellite antennas, he had a good

salary, it turns out that a friend turned to for me to borrow money from a friend, one and a half million rubles , i borrowed from him, the terms of return were discussed, the terms passed, while i was on a business trip for a month, i returned from a business trip, started to take money, he began to twist me, that later, later, later, i specifically learn from my friend what he has there is money to give me, i go to him, i came to him , he was intoxicated... intoxicated, he began to threaten me with a pistol, brandishing it, in the end it turned out that i stabbed him in the oven with a knife, as a result, murder, i for... my money, they attribute to me a robbery attack, that is, with the infliction of a health visa, which resulted

in death, that is, two articles, 105, part two and 162, part four, in the end, they give me 20 years in the twenty-second year deprivation of liberty, strict regime construction colony, such? such things, which then trigrate the society, they do not have to be asked, the stories of the orcs themselves are interesting. and i would like to make these stories more public, so that russians would listen to them as well. they have nothing invented, they have the opportunity to talk about how they got to the front, what life was like in russia

, that is, the attitude of the russians fighting to the war, it is also unstable, it also underwent changes, and it is also interesting to show them in order to reach the russian public, in particular, so that they think about what is happening here first before she gets to the front, as you got out of prison, the representatives of the ministry of defense came, that is, through the administration, they did not call us personally, but through the administration of the correctional colony, they told them, the administration released us, made an offer that there is an opportunity to go, as she did then, i thought myself, so we call it. a special military operation, it will serve for six months, and

after six months we will leave with a clean slate, initially we had a non -disclosure agreement in the camp, that is, non-disclosure there, that happens during a special military operation about non-disclosure that we once sat, and then, when we were already brought to rostov at the airport, we signed a contract for six months, and so we signed an agreement, such an agreement, which stated that through six months, you undertake to conclude another contract, well, you are in a voluntary compulsory order, that is, whether you want it or not, but you must sign another contract in six months, it is at least, well, in any

case, they are enough... danryut different stories, they have different motivations, different stories getting into the war, with the convicts is more interesting than with all the others, at most the motivation in their own words. all social benefits, all social guarantees, the cancellation of the term they served, and that they are relieved of their guilt before society, that they are cleansed, they sign a contract with such desire, they are promised that they will sit somewhere on the third line or at all, they will be engaged in construction

at first , because wagner did his advertising by directly preparing them for war, saying that you will fight, you are stormtroopers, there is no such thing, they are being fooled en masse, they are promised the rear, or some jobs, they go for it, and when they come to war, they get into. the most dangerous areas, trenches, they are not organized normally, they also cover the need for constant assaults on ukrainian positions, did you understand that you were used as cannon fodder? it's been a long time, even before the captivity, i understood that we were being used, even though it was for such a long time. that's how i stayed even after my studies there, well, i stayed for a while on a combat mission, i

was only on one, which i was taken prisoner, but nevertheless after... because went on combat missions with those with whom you came from our company, from other companies, from our battalion, and when they were sent, i already began to understand when they were sent to the very front, it was the prisoners who were sent, in the same way, , where it was very close, that's when i... i already understood that it was just annihilation, tell me interesting stories about the prisoners who fell to you, i can remember, there was one russian officer, an officer in a private position, he was a senior lieutenant, and he was sent as an ordinary shooter to

rifle unit, although he is an artilleryman of artillerymen, there was simply no artillery, there simply were no artillerymen... he was transferred to riflemen, and the fact that he is an officer, he probably did not have very good qualities in front of the commanders, but that is not the point. he ran away from the position after mobilization here in donbas nine times, he has nine attempts to escape, in fact many russians try to run away from the position, they catch them, they have an attempt to catch them at the checkpoint, through the city, and here he is he was caught nine times, he was thrown into a pit, that's it one of those. in the landing, this is another such interesting widespread way of fighting, they take them to the landing, there they beat them and simulate shooting, they load the machine gun, put it to their head and say that they are going to shoot now, and then they let them go and say, if you

do that again , then now for sure, and once this captive and several others. from his unit, who tried to escape, the combatant made a puddle, and what is interesting, the combatant was from the so-called dpr, they were russian mobilized, he threw them into the puddle, forced them to swim, puddle and fired from a machine gun into the ground, next to them, the most common answer among the mobilized is that we were forced, caught and there was no way to escape, they complain. someone had a case, an acquaintance turned in one mobilized from the far east, his girlfriend worked in the army, she wrote to him one wonderful day on a day off: and where are you? he tells her: i 'm currently visiting my sister,

the army will come to my address in an hour, they will immediately take him to the bus to the landfill. are you hoping for an exchange? yes, of course, i hope, well, of course, y i don't have a big desire to return now, but i still hope, because i have relatives there, i have a daughter there, my wife is still there, so i hope that after the exchange they won't send me back here anymore, they kept in touch, to inform the relatives that their son was in captivity in this case, and immediately several mothers ... that they could not believe that this was their son, and one responded with this phrase, she said, god gave, that is, she decided that her son died, not her, and this phrase was spread among the other prisoners themselves, they were in such a shock, they discussed it for a few days afterwards, they could

not move away from the fact that the mother of another prisoner had said such a thing, and then to the other side, where does it come from, russian mothers really do this, they do not believe that their the children are in captivity and they see them, and they literally renounce, i have no explanation for this, does russian propaganda and what russian media use have a strong influence on the decision of the rashists to go to war? so definitely their propaganda is strong and has been for many years processes their heads, they boil in this information stream, they are formed in it, they form their wrong views, and