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i have a broad first question, the answer can be long, it can be short, as you say, i am a very conservative person in the sense that i always said that you should follow all the proposals of the europeans without exception to become part of europe, when this was the 90s years, i remember everyone, let 's quickly get visa-free, i say we already deserve visa-free, we are already so european that you can't tell us apart, or half of criminals, at least in the first half of the 90s were among immigrants in europe, and now ursula fonderlein has arrived, and we are waiting for the eighth, november 8, not on the occasion of the day of the great october socialist revolution, but on the occasion of the fact that they will be made public , in fact, the chances of ukraine to start negotiations with the european union, a question arises, and some people like me say, no, do not

make exceptions for ukraine, everything is just tough, as it should be, the other says, we have a war, it is difficult for us, we need encouragement, both of them have logic, i won't say that those are mine if the opponents do not have logic, there is also logic, and what logic do you have, should it be tougher, should ukraine make concessions, my logic is that european integration is two parallel tracks, or two parallel processes. one is a political process in which both ukraine and the eu must be politically ready to accept this decision and work on it, because it involves changes in ukraine within the framework of european integration, but also changes in the european union itself, for them it is also a serious challenge to take such a big a country like ukraine, even with such a large complex challenges and problems, it is not in one, not in two years, not in five years within the eu itself, to digest ukraine for a dozen years and then take on this responsibility.

and the second process is a formal, administrative, procedural one, where we have to meet the pan-european temperature in the chamber, we have to be, well, at least, not be extreme, for example, in the field of justice, pan-european level, or with something else, we can be somewhere it is better to already be more developed than some of the eu members, but our overall coefficient should be such that so that there would not be these extreme attacks in different directions. and the eu must prepare its procedures, its processes, decision-making on enlargement, decision-making within the eu, development programs, review of subsidies for the agricultural sector, based on the addition of such a large agrarian state as ukraine, review of subsidies in the industrial sector, because it will be the same influence, and so i can get to education and additionally one of the languages ​​of the european union, in which documents and everything else need to be prepared there, and this is a procedural story, and if in the political... at present, ukraine

really deserves to get the removal of any blocks on the way to the eu, and the european union itself made this decision for itself, it was difficult to come to it, it was not easy for them to make the decision that they will expand, but the balkans have been in limbo for more than 10 years, they have already completed everything formally, but politically isne was ready to invite them, and now ukraine is acting as an icebreaker that opens the way for a number of countries at once. the balkans will also join the european union. that's in the procedure room part, we are the first ones who are not interested in making any mistakes for ukraine , because we can have the effect of a brick that was thrown inside a washing machine with the european union written on it, and then the process of dumbing down ukraine will become a pyrrhic victory for both ukraine and eu, and we may not like what we get as a result. now that's an easy question. it was so much more serious. now

this is more ironic, i listened to mr. putin, this is the kind of person who works as the president of the russian federation, and he is there talked about the fact that the mongol-tatar invasion was... positive, but the european one was negative, so they just imitate what was there 700 years ago, and i'm just curious, i imagined it, so we have 20 years ago , everything is the best in europe, in 20 years, not here, in them, in 20 years, not everything was best in the east, then again, what is in the heads of the russians, i just imagine, well, tomorrow they will remove putin, god will remove ukraine. saboteurs will remove it or some local russian people will remove it and then it will start like this, stop, we are here, this is a horde, this is what we don’t need, this is this horde, this is what we need to go to europe, it’s hard for me, it’s just clay

, this is plasticine, from which you can make anything you want, what is a russian, today we started with mr. mikhal samosya to say that this anthropological phenomenon is simply homozygous. and there are homosexuals and they are different, because everywhere there is a critical limit and people go out to the streets to protest here, we still tolerate it here, the chinese already destroyed 100, 90 to 100 million maudzun destroyed, all the same in 1989 on the chinese came to tiananmen square, nothing is happening in russia, they will be told tomorrow, let's go there, they will go there, everyone is fair-skinned , we are africans, everyone paints their faces with wax, the russians will go to the street, they say, yes, yes, yes, this the truth is, we are black, you say that this is an easier question, it will be more complex, because there everything is clear, policy, procedure,

and here you have already gone to the nation of genes russians, and the problem precisely in russia is that they do not have russian or russian nation took place, they do not have their national core, and accordingly. their entire concept today is built exclusively on the imperial idea, which is built on the principle of denying others , that is, it is a kind of anti, anti-project, russia as an anti-european project, here they are all heiropis, liberals, scoundrels and so on, but here we are the correct ones, etc. , denying oneself, proving to russia that we have pushkin, tolstoyevsky and all the others, they are better than their byrons and various other shakespeares. or denying oneself the east, we are not europeans, we are another third civilization, and our way is the east, and accordingly, we are not like china, we are not like these, we are not like the points of kazakhstan, i think it became tense now, when in russia they talked about the way to the east, because then

pazharsky, all the others, are at the root of the idea, and in the end they come to the point that they will not compete for the legacy of the kyiv movement, which they lost miserably, and they will compete for the inheritance of the golden horde. then to say that no, here are our roots, and we will return our native ulus home, but this march to the east is nothing more than an attempt to sell itself, because russia in this form exists exclusively as, well, one can say ironically and insultingly, civilizational a helminth, or we can say a more civilized and respectable parasite of civilization, because they are neither technologically, nor culturally, nor fly... this is my question, this is my important question, many years ago, when there were, well, faint relations with russia, here various academics also visited the director of the institute of history of the russian federation, gave an interview and said: "where are you moving, that's where your

place is", i say your third rome, this is the end of history, yes, if you are rome, it is a separate culture . well, in general, there is the world, there is africa, there is latin america, and there is such a russia, and it has nowhere to move, ukrainians can imagine , and we will go to europe, we to our homeland, here, we consider ourselves europeans, estonians, there are many of them, yes, georgians, listen, armenians, already, azerbaijanis are not indifferent, yes, to contacts from now on, we will talk about it, the french president came to kazakhstan, but... where is russia to go, or it itself is developing powerfully and technologically, as you say, and emotionally, that is, culture , and art, and education, and agarics fly daily into space,

and the whole world says, hey, what are they, or the end of the history of the russian federation, because it is not clear where to move, what could be the next stop in russia, so they look all the time 180° backwards, because in order to move go ahead, you need to understand, and who are you, answer the question, first, who am i , they answer it and see that all the roots of 300 years plus go to kyiv, people, they say, so we are not ukrainians, so ukrainians were invented by an austrian general staff, someone there and so on, in order to destroy us, because ukrainians are us, only they are so wrong, recruitment means that we can also be recruited, it is scary, but they say , well, we are a golden horde, they drip there, they also go to mongolia, kazakhstan, and other countries that work with this heritage , and understand that it also does not stick because the russians did not take place, the british empire had the british as a formed monarchic identity. ancient greece had greeks at its core, others did, and the russian empire,

there are no russians as such, respectively, how can you draw the future if they are all the time just trying to find where those roots are, and they're like, ah, okay, i won't give epithets, but in any case, they can't define themselves, even in terms of their future, because they can't define this past of theirs , come to terms and find... roots, form it, that's why it's a tragedy for all the neighbors, because they come and try to steal from everyone everything that is lying around, that they like and say, oh, this will be our coat of arms, but here you have it hanging beautifully, draw it, we have loot, oil, i hire an artist, he draws our coat of arms, he sits in a red jacket, putin says, and here we are from such a princely family, where do we get flattery and so on, well, we understand all this caricature, it is well described in modern, even russian art . russian art knows perfectly well what is happening there and where it all

came from, boy, vodka, and we're flying home, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, let's talk about it sometime, mr. oleg , for example, i always remember this film, his everyone rated him as anti-ukrainian, and i rated him as anti-ukrainian then i assessed it as anti-russian, it was a mirror, it was shown to the russians , here you are, shut up, here you are, this is who you are, and you don’t need to flaunt it, you don’t need a glass of vodka, it’s good, it’s nobody in the world except the russians will not understand this seeming joke, that is the problem, and they are proud of it, because they believe that this is something to be proud of, everyone looks at them, says, oh my god, they came, they dumped on playground with all its mischief and inabilities, thank you very much, thank you very much, oleg sahakyan was with us, and now again... there will be advertising, then there will be oleksandr zinker, political scientist, former member of the knesset, the knesset is the parliament of the state

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you draw your own conclusions. good health once again, mykola veresen is with you, we will work for 13 minutes, during this time we will try to talk with oleksandr tsinker, a political scientist, a former member of the knesset, the knesset is the parliament of the state of israel, i will speak in russian, because , because you understand why , hello, mr. oleksandr, thank you for finding time for us, he will talk about something important, good evening, look, vopros takoy, vot... scared you, after all, we were waiting for the performance this person with a not very good-sounding surname in russian is nasrallah, this is the leader of hezbollah, he says everything, this is what he will say, this is how he will say it, in the north, israel will have to open another front. as usual, as usual

, these guys scare a lot, well, let's say right away that it's not in livane. решается этот вопрос, yes, the terrorist organization hizballah is a proxy iranian organization, and the decision is made not in lebanon, but in iran. eh, i think it 's the presence of two aircraft carriers in the lebanese shores with accompanying ships, and a warning to iran and lebanon that america not only observes the entire process in the middle east, but can start its participation. still influenced, and he prepared his speech, in which he told how well hamas works, and the most important thing is that it is already participating, right from october 8, hizballah is participating in the process against israel, because it pulled about

30 % of the armed forces of israel, and thus it helps hamas in the fight against righteous zionist aggressors, this is the maximum that he could say, but you know how , today, the skirmish is ongoing, that is, the skirmish is ongoing, uh, the forces are deployed there in large, er, cities that are located right on the border, the population of about 50,000 small towns were evicted from there, just in case. in order not to endanger, on the one hand, on the other hand, not to interfere with the israeli army, if there are more active actions , so that there is a free zone, therefore, on the one hand, this is a promise, something to say, scary, it burst how

such a ball, eh, it feels like hamas is definitely offended, because there, too , they were waiting for us to finally be helped, but... it turns out that no one wants to help hamas , they leave only moral support, but nothing more, mr. alexander, excuse me, very important question, here you said hezbollah is a proxy, yes, this is iran, and the houthis, yes, this is yemen, they are also asking for this too, and so here is my question, it is clear that you better understand your horror there. with the state of iran, but iran, i don’t know how to say it, but it seems to me he is such a coward, he never started wars, there was a big war with iraq. here they are always

, i have never seen them act so openly, sabers drawn, we are going forward, they will support hezbollah , support the khusids, shoot a little, scare everyone, say, we will have an atomic bomb the day after tomorrow, we will have a rocket flying for 300 km, tonight, yes, but they are not, they have never advanced, now we said, tomorrow we did it, look, let's not forget that piranhas are persians, the persians were an old civilization, intelligent, and of course, they also live, the second thing is that recently after the revolution, the power of the ayatollah came, and that led to the fact that today, well... there could not be worse relations between israel and iran , probably, it was impossible to come up with it, but before that, iran and israel were very closely connected, almost all

industry, all production was raised in iran by israeli specialists under the shah, this time, the second time, there are a lot of internal problems in iran today, and he does not need any -then wars that the citizens of iran do not want, moreover, this is the most interesting thing, polls conducted in iran show that ordinary citizens are very indifferent to israel, to the problems of israel, they are not interested in it there, there is no such islamic antagonism against - jews, they live on their own issues, that's why iran tries to stay away, of course, it understands that before the water comes to a big war... in any case , it's not necessary, why? first of all, it is clear that, as goldam said, we do not have nuclear weapons,

but if necessary, we will apply it, that is, if there will be such a situation, god forbid, that israel will face some kind of danger, realistically from iran, iran will also understand that it will have big problems, so why do the iranian authorities do this proves that proxy forces financed by iran were created for this purpose. and every time today, before going on the air, i heard that for the first time eilad, a resort town on the red sea, is being attacked by both the houthis and hamas, that is, the situation is continuing, but not by specific forces iran, as i understand it, iran will not join this war. alexander, look, now a very israeli question has arisen in my mind, and it is called such a terrible word as propaganda, when

you seriously look at the relationship between the palestinian authority and the state of israel, you understand, but only seriously, with numbers, with maps , with stories, then you understand that, well, no, there is no... there is not a single crack where the ideology of hamas can penetrate, yes, when israel gives medicine, when it gives medicine, when the world community says: please build yourself a water canal, water supply, build yourself this, do it, this is not being done , instead of making water supply from pipes, rockets are made from these pipes, launched over israel, which these pipes... gives to hamas, here please, build there in the gas sector, finally, water supply, and so on, here we are talking, and seriously, a subway, here are

these underground bunkers, you can really build a subway there, i don’t know how many kyiv metro is long, but it's 300, one they say 360 km, the other 500 km underground, it is possible to build a second gas station, but this is nothing, why? why don't the jews talk about this so loudly, so that there are fewer of these lovers of palestinian autonomy in the international community, and more lovers of the israeli state, because when i began to analyze everything, i sit and think, listen, you have aces in your hands, solid aces, they have solid sixes and you lose time and time again, that means because of the information war, and in general, because of... the expression that those who tell the truth lose because they say only what is, those who tell lies always win because

they say what they want a prosperous area, moreover, when in 2006, er, according to the decision of ariel sharon, all the settlements were withdrawn, the army was selected, that is , the area is beautiful by the sea, beautiful sand, beautiful beaches, eh, i spoke with people who 50 years ago, we went to the beach in the gas sector, moreover, we bought products that they were much cheaper there, but when hamas came to power, there is a problem, there are palestinians, and there are, as they say, supporters of hamas, these are two different things, that is, for example, if we are talking about abu mazan, the head of the palestinian authority, with him it is possible that he is talking about something, because somehow he understands the existence of two states.

two peoples is his idea, it is impossible to speak with hamas, because the ideology of hamas is unambiguous, the jews must all be destroyed, the entire territory from the river to the sea, only palestinians must live there, therefore, as we now we understand that there is a struggle, it is on the one hand, on the other hand, we are under pressure all the time, if we do not... " we send water or we do not send pipes or we do not provide electricity or we do not provide gas, for which periodically they are not very they pay, all enlightened humanity begins to say, well, you are big and strong, and the weak need to be helped, and they receive money from all over the world, as if for the development of their economy, but what they receive

is wonderful understand that he wants to build himself villas, and the area of ​​villas that is near the sea in the gaza sector, i think the french pitchforks are inferior to those who are there, all the leaders of hamas, they are millionaires , by the way, well, but we talk about it, nobody wants to listen to it, because, you know, how they love jews when they weak, if there are problems, then we can help them, moreover, when on october 7 the whole world saw what happened, the first few days there was a shock, everyone expressed, however, except the leader of one northern country, your neighbor, expressed condolences because happened after israel began to respond through a week, and by today's day a change begins in the world.

they say: no, guys, you are strong, but there is a weak civilian population, what kind of civilian population is this, when they are taught to kill jews from childhood, from the age of 3-4, when this adult population chose hamas in the elections, which is also the ideology of hamas , what we can talk about with them, but thank you, thank you very much, sorry, there is no time, i would just say that now the phrase is relevant, before there was a phrase: if there is no water in the tap, then you have drunk, and now if there is no water in the gas, means they drank, it is clear who and this is now in general, we can say, this is now new, new words to old music , thank you very much, alexander tsinker , political scientist, former member of the knesset, that is , the parliament of the state of israel, and now we

have again with iryna koval, and then we have will be mainly about turkey, we will talk, but now the news. thank you, mr. mykola, in a moment i will tell you about the most important events at this time. 18:00 in ukraine, greetings to all viewers of the tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval and chas noviny, i start our broadcast with the information that just appeared, the enemy hit infrastructure facility in the dnipro community, the head of the region , serhii lysak, informed about it, we will keep you informed beforehand without casualties.