available to all viewers. greetings, iryna koval is in the studio and this is the summary of the week on the espresso tv channel. news summary of the week every saturday at 21:00 on espresso. we continue our broadcast with lesia vokolyuk, i'm vitaly portnikov. and now with us will be ivanna klympush tsintsadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union, we will talk about today's unexpected. the visit to ukraine of the head of the european commission, ursula fonderlein, whatever it might mean, is already with us ms. ivanna, ms. ivano, good evening. good evening. good evening. so, let's talk about this important visit, as far as what it means? in my opinion, mrs. ursula came here deliberately before the publication of the already final report of the european commission, the so-called enlargement report. which should give, as she

confirmed today, a positive recommendation so that already at the end of this year, the leaders of the member states of the european union will decide on the opening of membership negotiations with ukraine. i think that apart from all the positive messages that ms. ursula has in various variations and in the verkhovna rada of ukraine today made public, and during the press conference, with president zelensky, and regarding the report of the european commission, and regarding the development of a mechanism to support ukraine for the next four years, and these grants of 50 billion euros to ukraine under special conditions, and other things , i think that, besides that , it was quite clear during the closed-door negotiations about those things that ukraine will still have to complete, finalize. in

order for this decision to be made at the end of the year, i think it was also about what the european commission is very much looking forward to a real meaningful plan, the so-called plan of ukraine, on the basis of which the funds of 50 billion euros, which it spoke about, can be allocated, to date this plan has not yet been submitted to the european commission, and it is clear that this plan has contain step-by-step reforms, because these funds will be provided on , not on an unconditional basis, as has been the case so far with macro-financial assistance during the time of a full-scale invasion, but with specific conditions at each stage, and this is a completely different approach, i think that all these things were discussed today, well, obviously, and it was about the future of the european union. providing military

support to ukraine, how the situation will develop with the approval of another 12th package of sanctions against the russian federation, and other things that are on our joint agenda . but as far as i understand, these 50 billion should be allocated one way or another, only if ukraine agrees on something there with hungary. hungary also blocks this aid and, as far as i remember, hungarian prime minister viktor orber even invited the ukrainian delegation. come to budapest to talk about conditions, how to get around this situation? in fact, all the things that we are counting on, today from the european union, and 50 billion within the framework of the support mechanism for ukraine, and the opening of membership negotiations, and the same 20 billion euros that are currently being discussed as potentially filling the instrument of the instrument of peace, from which

funds should also be allocated for military aid to ukraine, all these tools are currently very strongly dependent on how hungary can be persuaded to stop using them block, because each, each of these tools, or each of these steps, he has, well, such opposition from hungary today. and i think that we tried to remove the issue from the side of ukraine as much as possible with all our actions, and the verkhovna rada of ukraine and the government of ukraine acted together here, acted together, and in the issue of national minorities, it seems to me that the maximum possible was done from the point of view of taking into account recommendations of the venice commission, and now the ball in this case, in this particular direction is still on... in our half of the field

partners who must find the tools, or you want, pressure or conviction within the european union, which will force hungary to change its, well , stubborn, consistent, stubbornly negative position regarding the advancement of ukraine along this or that track. we saw the protocol filming of ursula fonunen's meeting with volodymyr zelsky , she smiles there, she is so friendly, but what could she talk about to volodymyr zelsky behind closed doors, because this week, at least two such materials mrs. ivana, what do you think, well, let’s talk about these materials, i think that for thinking people, and here in ukraine, in the world, they did not become some kind of cold shower and discovery, i think that,

in particular, the article of the commander-in-chief of our hard-working she just made it very clear that if... there really is a setup to help ukraine win this war, then the help to win this war has to look different, and he clearly outlined what we need in order for us to actually plan our military operations and implement them effectively, yes, and as for what ms. ursula could have said behind closed doors , i think it's also a matter of the mood, it's difficult enough today, and it's hard for us to say that we have the same level of support , which we had among societies at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, it is far from that, well, only in certain

countries it is actually kept at an extremely high level, as in the same sweden, for example, there more than 97% of people continue to support the actions, in support.. in the military sphere, in the financial sphere, in sanctions pressure on the russians, on the russian federation, on the issue of the introduction of a military tribunal, this special one, to punish the aggressor, these things, unfortunately, are rather an exception at such and such a level in various societies, and i think that it was about the fact that ukraine also has to prove as much as possible that everything it declares, and what it does, despite the war, in its reformation, it has to prove, not only with words, but also with concrete actions and results, because this will be what will help keep this

the aid that we have today, ideally it should be increased , it is obviously about corruption, it is obviously about blatant... cases that we learned not only from journalists, we already learned from the accounting chamber of ukraine, which published a report on the beginning in the first half of the 23rd year of how, in what way, and how , well, the funds of the ministry of defense were squandered, if you like , in particular those that were used for food between 3 and 7 billion hryvnias, it is possible to calculate the losses according to with the results of the accounting chamber, obviously when we are already talking about the clear statements of the ukrainian state bodies, which, by the way, our partners are actively working with the audit chamber, they are working to arm it

with additional tools, the ability to carry out its work qualitatively, well, when such statements are heard from it, it is obvious this worries our partners who allocate such sha... funds and plan to allocate additional funds so that ukraine can pass this test with dignity and be able to defend itself. tell me, please, when they talk about the reforms of the european union, to what extent will the reforms change the situation at all, and which european union can ukraine join if these reforms actually take place? and we saw that there was also a meeting in berlin this week, and what a one. well, it has started such a meaningful conversation within the european union regarding how the european union sees internal reform for itself, and it seems to me that somehow one can cautiously count on the fact that, after all, there will be no

complete dependence on the completion of the internal reform within the european union with by the process of expansion, if the countries will are ready, having done all... their homework , then the unfinished, let's say, internal reform process in the eu should not stand in the way, i hope that such a decision will be finally taken. should not stand in the way of their accession to the european union. as for what it will be, what it will focus on, it is obvious, and the issue of different policies and financial assistance in different sectors of the economy, and it will definitely be about agriculture, it will definitely be about the same road transport, we we see new, new challenges arising on the border with poland.

including and in view of the potential further changes in the opening of additional additional gates for ukrainian carriers, these changes will also apply and the reform will apply to the decision-making process. on all issues, or on most issues, can this change be accepted without changing the agreement on the european union, and it seems to me that after all, european countries today are ready to change without changing the treaty itself, because otherwise, we think, we would enter into a very , very long, protracted, serious reform process, which could definitely block the entry, well, not only of ukraine, but of any from those countries. who are currently applying for candidacy or membership. after the opening

of the negotiations of the leaders of the countries of the european union regarding ukraine's accession to the eu, how much time can ms. ivanna have until the moment when ukraine joins it? the shortest path which passed this or that country, it was finland, it passed it in 3.5 years, on average this process in those countries that passed it in the last decades, decades successfully, it took an average of seven years, we also hear from you about readiness for expansion, or whether the aim is to ensure that the european union is ready for expansion by 2030, well , let's hope that the maximum this process can take for ukraine, but here i would like to immediately emphasize that in exactly two years we no... we will be ready for membership in

to the european union, as today's leadership of the country wants to present it, and i believe that in this case, too, the same adult conversation that the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine is conducting today with ukrainian and world society, i would also like the same serious conversation, leadership and and the president, and the prime minister and the responsible deputy prime minister with ukrainian society, regarding the fact that this is a difficult, complex job that will take a long time, which will require maximum efforts at all levels of government and the maximum strengthening of all those in power offices by real professionals. and please tell me, mrs. ivano, if we talk about this negotiation process in principle, it will already run parallel to the negotiations of the countries of the western balkans, where one crisis follows another, will it not hinder the ukrainian process of european integration? what is happening now in the balkan countries and can make them also a rather serious problem region for

further integration, you know, eh, of course we are not immune to the fact that new crises can distract attention, that new crises can affect the processes there in other parts and in other relations of the european union with certain countries. at the same time, i think that it is extremely... it is important that the european union made this decision about geopolitical expansion for itself, and that the european union somehow finally pulled itself together and understood that those ideas and those principles on which the european union was based they, if there is such a desire of countries in the neighborhood of the european union, then it is necessary to use and expand this space of freedom, this space of respect for

to law, to rights, and to freedoms, and therefore, i think that today, after all , the setting of the european union is that expansion will take place, and european institutions will help as much as possible for countries to cope with their homework and minimize... will try to minimize the new challenges that may arise along the way. white house press secretary karin jeanpierre said. that the pentagon is forced to reduce the size of military aid packages to ukraine, because the money that was there allocated are running out, and the congress has not yet managed to adopt a new multi-billion dollar program. actually, here is this material by valeriy zaluzhny, can it somehow influence the fact that the congress will speed up after all, and

see the need to further... help ukraine, considering what he describes, valery zaluzhny describes the situation as deadlocked. well, i think for sure, we all hope that this article and this piece, so cool thorough, it provides some of the answers that are supposedly being sought individual congressmen, and for which they sought from the ukrainian leadership. and from the american leadership, but at the same time we should also not deceive ourselves and not expect that one article, even an article with a head, even one that clearly answers the question, that clearly sets priorities, outlines the tasks, and will decide, here is the one now, well that situation, i don't want to call

it a stalemate, but a very difficult situation that we have today in the american congress, we see with you that already, that has already been voted in the lower house of congress, a separate aid for we are still waiting for israel, but how will the situation develop in the senate of the united states of america, and as a result , will this process of dividing the aid package that the biden administration submitted to the senate stop, or will it still reach the president, how will he act next in this situation, are those hints that he might make such a... move really, they will be implemented and we will return to a new circle again, it is obviously for us fundamentally important that the united states already this year make this decision about funding, for the ukrainian victory, because we understand that next year, every day of the next year, it will be more and more difficult

to make this decision, because unfortunately, the situation with the russian... attack with russian aggression against ukraine will become part, more and more part of this domestic political discourse and struggle, in the context of the presidential race in the united states of america, so in my opinion, right now half of our parliament is capable, well, half is probably not capable, but there are really about 30-40 deputies who are able to have a conversation with... partners, they should be constantly in the congress of the united states of america, but we do not see this, well, such an intensified, maximum landing, and here we should join forces with public organizations, and with government officials, and to act in the same way as we did when obtaining or trying to obtain

candidate status. thank you, ms. ivan, get well, please ivan krymposh, censadze of the people's department of ukraine, head of the committee on integration of ukraine into the european union, we were in touch and we are now let's talk about another important and complex region of the world, today is the 619th day of russia's war against ukraine, you can see it on our screen and the 29th day of the war in the middle east, we will take that into account, it's still two fingers, i think that because for a certain time we will have a hand in these days in various wars of the world, we must also prepare for this. and for now let's talk about this second war, igor simevolos, director of the center of middle eastern studies, we will be on the phone now, congratulations mr. igor, congratulations, congratulations, sir, so, let's start with the president's visit to israel, in general, how important do you think this trip will be and what will be its consequences? well, and you know, i think

this is a risky trip from the point of view of further... relations with the middle east, and especially against the background of the intensification of the war and the ongoing ground operation in the gas sector, and well, it's not for me to decide, as you understand , mm, that is , it will be bad for us and for israel, well , i don’t know how for israel, i know it will be problematic for ukraine, especially in relations with arab countries, ugh, what now? we can achieve when we talk about building relations with the arab countries, well with israel, of course, it will make it easier at least for the president of the united states to put together this famous package from which we have to get money, and... what about the arab countries, they , as they communicated with moscow, they still communicate, and they do not have any major problems? no, without a doubt, they communicate with moscow, they communicate with china, and they communicate with

ukraine, and eventually, in ukraine's economic relations with the arab countries are quite powerful, both investment and humanitarian support, that is, it cannot be said that we will not receive anything from the serbian world, and besides everything else, these are the votes of the general assembly, we do not want to lose these votes, if we talk about the visit, the secretary of state of the united states to israel , to the arab countries, it seems that today in amman he is meeting with the ministers of foreign affairs of the arab countries and with the prime minister of lebanon, by the way, this is almost the summit that president biden had to abandon when he was in israelis as they can be the results the key result, the key task, at least for biden, is to prevent the conflict from spreading to the west bank and to the north, the north of israel,

for the north of israel, the americans have aircraft carriers and i think that's a pretty clear warning to hezbollah and iran, but it's important to ensure security and peace in the west. actually for this, on the one hand, he communicates with mahmoud abbas and, accordingly, with the representatives of the palestinians as jordan and the jordanian king, on the other hand, he presses on the israelis in order, at least, to do everything so that the settlers do not commit aggression against the palestinians in the west bank now. and i think it's difficult to do, but let's see, i think at least for now the west bank is stable and the palestinian authority

is in control, i don't know if you've seen this video when the knesset representatives, it was so closed, closed show, they were shown a video of the atrocities of hamas, and people left there, deputies left there, some who were not just crying, but some felt sick and needed some medical help, but in the meantime we see that anyway, here is this support for hamas in the world, it is not decreasing, here and there, we hear news that somewhere they are painting stars of david, thus marking where they live jews, whether it will be possible to change somehow to people, where, where is good, where is evil, you know, i would not like to think in categories of good and evil, because it is very dangerous, and i think that it is necessary

to distinguish anti-semitism, the manifestations of which are really have now grown, and anti, anti-arabism or, about anti-muslim sentiments, which have also grown to a large extent, it is both, it is violence against fellow citizens , because it destroys civil peace in these countries, and i am the problem of palestine, it is not only a problem of hamas, it cannot be solved only by you destroy hamas, the problem of palestine has a history of at least a hundred years and has... a solution formula, which in the end, well , the world has to put an end to it, then from the television, how it will be solved, this question is not

for me, obviously, and significant the number of people demonstrating or showing support for the palestinians, they do not demonstrate a position of support for hamas, there are such, but it is, so to speak , one must at least separate the wheat from the chaff, well , i think that lesya meant that these people who go to the so-called pro-palestinian demonstrations, they are in principle not a word is said about the deaths of peaceful residents of israel, and it became obvious , but if we talk about good and evil, then people who do not say anything about the killed women and children, whose flags they did not go out with, in which universities they did not study , they are vivid representatives of evil, when people condemn both this and that, let's say, the violence of civilians, you can understand them, they may not know the history of the struggle between israel and palestinian autonomy, know how the palestinians are always used as a tool of the power of the arab countries, this has been happening for many decades, not everyone should study this complex

the history of the middle east, this is not the task of people, even in such countries as european, where every other person has "in holokhost", but we are simply talking about compassion for peaceful residents, well, without a doubt, compassion should be expressed, who does not express sympathy, i also condemn them and also think that this is wrong, and what do you say about the authorities of egypt, here it would seem, the arab world, but it does not agree to take the residents of gaza, it turns out that. not exactly the arab world, the arab world supports, supports that the expulsion of the palestinians from the gazans, well, at least those who are fleeing the war and accepting them, well, i think that this is a very difficult issue, it is not ambiguous, it is there there is a security dimension, and there is a political dimension, the security dimension is that the appearance of the palestinian forces in sinai,

this is a big destabilization of the situation for egypt, but it seems that the political factor plays a key role here, if the palestinians find themselves outside the borders of gaza, that is, they will be squeezed out of their land, the land, then it is unlikely that they will return there, uh, well, the macedonians accepted, let's say , the albanians of kosovo did not even think about it, and then these people returned. when there was a political decision, a political decision, which assumes that there are two states and within the framework of these two states, the borders are respected. you just don't have the impression that the egyptian government has there is simply a fear that these people, who will move to the territory of egypt from the gas sector, may be an additional element of destabilization in egypt itself, that they prefer better, let it be better for them all there,

death under the bombs, just so that they do not... i i think that, of course, there are security issues, i have already said, security issues are undoubtedly present, but i think that the key issue is a political one, no one is ready to take on a decision that assumes that the population of gaza will be deported to the territory of egypt, and you imagine the political situation in general the solution to the problem of the sector itself, let's say, let's imagine that hamas is gone, it is destroyed , although i don't really understand... how are we going to think that this is possible, and what's next, well, i don't, anthony blinken, yes, well , yes, damn, blinken doesn't know that either, yes, obviously, well, there is , for example, it's erdogan's idea, he leads turkish troops there, and declares, in fact, a protectorate of turkish language for some time. huh, and that

resolves the conflict for how long? no, it does not solve the conflict, the conflict is solved if two states are created, that is, the palestinian state the state and israel exist side by side, then this solves the conflict, and as for gas , well, this issue is practically such that, as of now, there is no exit strategy, as far as i understand, and neither the israeli government, nor the american government. not everyone else, and the arabs don't know what to do with it, and maybe a palestinian state without hamas? maybe, well, obviously, well, a holy place is never empty, that is, something will still appear, radical and based on some islamist ideas, it's just that hamas is quite hyped, and obviously, that if the situation is not such as to give birth.

violence and hatred in society, then obviously such an organization will not have support in society, it is quite possible, but please tell me, do you imagine that after such a long time of existence under two independent administrations, the arabs of the palestinian authority are generally able to create some kind of unified state body , there was no such thing before, by the way, they were before 67, one territory was oriented towards egypt, the other towards... these are completely different territories from the point of view of even of political development, of course, one territory was annexed by jordan, the other was under the control of egypt, and the other, but they feel like palestinians and both, i think they will be able to come to an agreement, of course there are differences between them, between the residents gazans and residents of the west bank, it is felt, but there are also differences between different residents of the west.