[000:00:00;00] one that generates violence and hatred in society, then obviously such an organization will not have support in society, it is quite possible, but please tell me, do you imagine that after such a long time of existence under two independent administrations, the arabs of the palestinian authority are at all capable of creating some kind of unified state body , there was no such thing before, well, by the way, before 67, one territory was oriented towards egypt, the other towards jordan, these are completely different territories from the point of view of even political development, of course, one territory was annexed to yorta, the other was under the control of egypt, and the other, but they feel they are palestinians and both, i think they will be able to come to an agreement, of course the differences between them are between the residents of gaza and west bankers, you can feel it, but also there are differences

between different west bankers... because they treat each other differently there, they tell stories about each other, so i think it's not that bad in principle, i just read, political identity exists together, i just once read a book by the arab writer said kashwan, he is an israeli arab, but from such a family of veterans of the palestinian national movement, and i was simply struck by the fact that he told episodes from his childhood, that when workers from gaza came, well, to work in their village or passing through their village, his grandmother locked him in the house and said that he did not go outside until these people, which means he would not leave the village, because she was afraid of them, and the whole village, this arab village, did not jewish, i was just afraid of these people i was surprised that the antagonism could be so deep between two parts of a supposedly common people, well, there are, i also heard all kinds of different stories, but that does not prevent them

from being a single palestinian nation. another thing is that, of course, there are disagreements, well, it has existed for a long time in different political bodies, let’s say, in different political bodies, it leaves its mark, without a doubt, and tell me what you think about the position of recep tayyip erdogan, we have already mentioned the turkish protectorate, erdogan will go to such a serious disruption with israel of relations, or be careful now, no, no, no, he is already giving up, he is already starting to talk about what. in diplomacy you cannot break all relations, you have to maintain them, that is, there were emotions , this was a speech at a rally, and ertogan knows how to get fired up and quote the koran and everything else, that is, he is a very good speaker in this sense, but he will not take the last steps, no in no way, after those atrocities by hamas and after what we see now, the cadres of the gaza sector, will they be able

to live for how long will they be able to live next to each other calm palestinians and israelis? well, nearby in what sense, that is, in two neighboring states, yes they can, together hardly, well, but , well, that’s the main question, you understand, it’s a question of ambassadors, settlers, that is, in this case, i see it that way, well, that is, yes, some number settlers, especially those who live in scattered small settlements there, they will obviously be evacuated if such a decision is made, regarding, well, there are various plans, there are the formation of these states and cortons and the settlement of the issue of settlements, and everything else, but well, as a matter of fact at the moment it is difficult to say that there can be such a coexistence, but the future

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and sound, even more interesting programs and original projects. the garrison of the invaders was surrounded, cut off from the main forces and destroyed, they will try, dawn to answer it remains unchanged. we actually didn't even stop, even during the break with mr. vitaliy, vitaliy portnikov and vitaliy portnikov talked, and now we will talk about two publications that simply stirred up such an impression among ukrainians, gave someone a cold sweat, a cold shower, it would probably be worth starting, because it all developed like this, it developed during the week and even today we have news, start from the very beginning , the very first article by simon shuster, you know, i absolutely agree with ivanna klimpussadze,

who was on our air, that i am in these in the materials i would not have seen something that i was informed about something that i did not know or understand, if people want to live in a world of their own reality, they live in it, sooner or later the moment comes when people are forced to come to that world, which is really non-multiplicative, as it happened with the ukrainians on february 24 last year, how much have we talked about this real one. the world, how people looked at us, as if they were just some urban lunatics, or putin would attack, that was a meme until february 24, 2022, and then putin will attack, it won't get worse, well, by the way, this is also a beautiful phrase , which even now, they say that it won't get worse, it can always be worse, it can only be better, so to speak, and worse always happens, and that's why i'm just, listen, shuster's text for me is just a snapshot from the president's office, there are photos, but again, i've said it many times before, and

i'll say it here, in order to understand the panorama of war, you need a lot of photos from different offices, from the office of the president of ukraine, from the golonuka pond by the armed forces of ukraine, from the administration of the president of russia, a photo that we will never receive, from the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, from the ministry of defense of russia, from the administration of the president of the united states, it would be nice to have, by the way, a wonderful photo from the office of the president of the people's republic of china, all this is just a tiny, so tiny, tiny story about the people who rule the country in a state of war and what they think, general zaluzhny's article, just as they are done, i liked what i saw a professional a text that clearly talks about what kind of weapons are needed for the ukrainian armed forces, the idea that the pad can be overcome with a new technological solution, which means that it should be looked for, but in general, you see, i am not... a military expert, i analyze all this from a political

point of view, if we sum up all these discussions, we have three options for the development of events, but they must also be considered realistically. the first option, which i do not consider likely, after putin's blitzkrieg failed, is the so-called defeat, uh, defeat, which consists in the fact that russia occupies the entire territory of ukraine and achieves ... the goals that vladimir putin set for himself in february last year, that is, ukraine becomes part of russia, if either the russian sphere of influence or novorossiya so-called, becomes part of russia, and the piece that remains in ukraine is included with ukraine, belarus, and russia in the union state, does russia have the strength for this, well, no, so any defeat of this type, anyway achievable in its putin

interpretation. uh, anyway, even the biggest defeat of ukraine will be, if we say that the front is falling there, ukrainian troops are retreating there, they will mean that russia can seize another part of the ukrainian regions there, this is an absolute tragedy, but we are discussing the option of defeat now, but still it will not be able to , it does not have the resources to seize ukraine as such and destroy the ukrainian state, if russian troops stand for months near... bakhmut or storm avdiivka for weeks, these are small cities, you see, uh, if they could not hold their position near kherson and such otherwise, it means that they still have limited opportunities , that is, they are opportunities, of course, there is a task, an immediate threat, the capital of ukraine, some kind of strategic military, signing a capitulation, but in this capitulation , ukraine continues to exist as a state, and in any it is necessary... that this is another deterioration

of russia's relations with the west, there is nothing good here, but i will repeat again, this first option is an option of defeat, i do not consider it realistic, well, for the simple reason that i do not see in of russia real opportunities, technological, somographic, whatever, to occupy such a large state, i consider it a big mistake of russia in general that it started with such a large country, it was necessary to start... with smaller ones, that they so wanted to start an operation to restore the soviet union, but they always, by the way, they always have common sense, in this respect they betray, they always want to start with ukraine, and then occupy everything else, and by the way, they acted in the same way in the 20th year, first ukraine , and then radinization in armenia, azerbaijan and georgia, that is, it has always been like that, it's just that sometimes they go out, start with the most difficult, and then go to the most important, not the most difficult. most important for the understanding of one

's statehood, but again, this is an option that i would simply put aside as one that does not seem to be realized from the russian point of view. now let's look at two other options. the second option is what we call our victory. ugh, for us , our victory is the exit of the armed forces of ukraine to the state. the borders of ukraine in 1991, and this is basically what the general is talking about zgoluzhnyi, when talking about victory, that we need to take, give this, that, that and that. and such and such and such a nomenclature of weapons to invent some new technological solution to war, and then we can achieve this, this is the victory that the president sets as a task, this is the victory that is considered a victory, there

is more preferable, it seems to me, there 90 % of ukrainian communities, but i always wonder, and what's next, we have to be clearly aware of what will happen next, because we... you understand, by victory, we mean an option that in other wars is never a victory was not considered, it was considered the liberation of the territory. victory is when the army of one country enters the capital of another, or takes the capital of another under siege and forces the leadership of this enemy country to sign a capitulation, or, in principle, brings the situation to such a state in the country, the aggressor, that prompts this country to sign the capitulation, or not the aggressors, well, in the first world war, the allies were not in berlin, but the german state signed the capitulation, in the second world war, the allies were in berlin and the german state also signed the capitulation, we are nobody even one of us does not discuss that the ukrainian army will be in moscow, because this is such a war with

a nuclear state, ugh, so this is our victory, what will happen next, what will happen next begins in our political thinking not... conversations about what actually maybe, but conversations about how we would like the world to look like, that if we go to the state borders of ukraine, putin's regime will fall, russia will fall apart, it will be busy with its own problems, putin's allies will get rid of him, russia will have a serious crisis , you see, that would be all. very it is interesting if the russians would have fought for crimea for decades, as, say, the austrians fought for decades for tzirol, as a society, they did not get tzirol, but on the question of returning tzirol, it was always the main issue of austrian political opinion, if you come to austria, get off at the station in

any place, austrian and go further, you will see that all the streets around are named after the cities of south tyrol, where it is located, it is not by chance, i assure you that there are no simferopol, yalta, new there were no streets there, except for those that existed in soviet times, in russia, no one remembered this crimea, maybe they remembered sevastopol in the days of the navy, simply because there was a parade there, to the russians, this is all, i apologize, to one place, putin said that this is a sacred peninsula, the pride of the russian people. i have seen all these changes in sacredness over these 30 years already so much that i don't have time to follow them, once in 1991 kyiv was still the mother of russian cities, then suddenly old ladoga appeared, they said that you should go there, and everyone

they started going there, because it is in the territory of the novgorod region, and rurik landed there and rewrote the textbooks, then, when they were preparing for the absorption of ukraine from... kyiv appeared again, if kyiv is not in the hands of the russians, i assure you, the old one will appear again, the new one will appear, some new historical ideas of putin, and now he has already said before that there is no ukraine, it was invented by lenin, and we should be grateful to him for the fact that he created ukraine, now he says that ukraine was, but it was, not very much chernihiv, zhytomyr and so on, he also wrote it in his articles, he wrote it in this article, well... i'm just asking you, let's think about it, that we went to the border, and the war continues, so what again, we didn't tell people fairy tales, could there be an option when we go to the border, and the war continues, maybe, of course, it means that we can fight with the russian federation, even on the borders, that is, it must be understood that the exit of ukraine to the borders - this is simply

the restoration of our territorial integrity, but not a panacea, it is simply a transfer of the conflict. to a new, to a new line of contact, but to the state border of ukraine, but this does not mean that the war will end, it may end, it may not end, just like that, now there is a third option, an armistice, not a victory, an armistice is that , that line of confrontation that exists now, about which they say that it is a stalemate , that means we stop at this border, because neither the ukrainian army can cross it, nor the russian one, and there is no technological solution. again, what does that mean, roughly the same as with the exit to the state border, only to other lines of contact , nothing more, you just need

to understand this clearly, there is simply an option to continue the war with the restoration of international law, there is an option to continue the war, without the restoration of international law, no historically there are no other options now, now there is one more question, negotiations, we hear these conversations all the time, today the president said again that there will be no negotiations, and they say that they are leaning towards negotiations, i really liked one thing in the material of the nbc television company, which carefully read just before our broadcast, and in this material it was said that american and european officials are discussing with the ukrainians the possibility of negotiations with russia, that there have been some concessions, what ukraine can give in case of a stalemate, but there is no sign that the peremoyn wants vladimir putin, and to me this whole story with the negotiations reminds me of the anecdote about the british queen, you know about the british

queen, when there is a wedding broker, he convinces a farmer to give his son to the british queen, and it is a long anecdote, i won't repeat it, we still have a tv broadcast, because the farmer certainly doesn't want to, but he convinces him, and in the end , after half an hour, after five hours, it doesn't matter, the farm says okay, max says , well, now it remains to convince the british side, where did we get the idea that putin wants some victories, and here are his statements that ukraine is in three regions, now, russia had long-standing relations with the horde, statements that ukraine was in three regions, can testify to what ukraine, ugh, putin could agree to see it as a vassal state. if belarus as a vassal state suits him as a whole, then ukraine as a vassal state suits

him within the borders of these three regions conditionally if there is more central ukraine, but again what putin says is what they were going to do in february of last year, when putin spoke about the self-determination of the peoples of ukraine in his speech on the night of february 23-24, 2022. in the crimean speech of putin in 2014, the full is given. oblasts of ukraine, which should be annexed to of the russian federation in case of their occupation, this is the so-called bolshevik gift to ukraine. ugh. and putin again, in his speech to the members of the public chamber, returns to these theses, that is , nine years have passed, and nothing has changed, nine. that is, it is basically a position. so, you can look at their list in this area and understand. what he is going to include directly in russia, and what he wants to leave as ukraine or as part of the union state, because i think that

most likely they do not think in categories the transformation of russia into such a great russia , which will end there in uzhhorod, and the creation of a union state, that is, a union state of russia and belarus, then ukraine, kazakhstan, the countries of the south caucasus and central asia will join it there, only with that...' that half of ukraine is defined in putin's speech, and half of kazakhstan is defined in the famous work of oleksandr soljanitson, how to equip russia, where it is said to inflate kazakhstan, they join directly to the russian federation, where people live, whom the russians are considered either russians, or, in the case of ukraine , not russians, but almost russians, and that. absolutely specific regions, everything else can be added there as new allied or autonomous republics, or maybe

putin wants to keep there, listen, stalin had three seats in the united nations, the soviet union, ukraine and belarus, putin can have 12 , then why should he completely deprive this state of its sovereignty, he can simply control them, they will be allied to the state, this is a dream that was still in 1991, when they created the cis, then they created this union, they also tried to create control bodies there, nothing succeeds in them, so they start to act, do they send any signals about possible changes, this is what we heard not from putin, but from shoigu , uh, but then again, these talks, i don't think they include any concessions on their part at all , they're just saying if you want us to stop destroying you, do as we like and we'll stop hostilities, that 's all. their whole idea of ​​negotiation but it seems to me that it is also, we should in principle start discussing the idea of ​​negotiations,

whether ukraine should go to these negotiations or not. at the moment when we will see that moscow really wants these negotiations , putin or shaigu really want them, they say that they are ready for negotiations on such and such real conditions, and when it is possible, it may never be impossible, it may just don't be like that, but i 'm just saying, why are we discussing our participation in negotiations, to which no one invites us, we also look very strange, we all the time we say that we will not negotiate, but someone says: but if we had another government , it would hold negotiations, this reminds me, by the way, in 2019, the conversation about the fact that it is the ukrainian authorities interested in continuing the war , and if it weren't for her, then it would have been possible to come to an agreement with russia a long time ago, well , you have to live in the real world, the real world consists in the fact that, in principle, there are no, in my opinion, positions related to

russia's readiness to end this war, i can't see at the moment, if... i see them, we can talk about it is to talk, but why talk about a phantom, why give people who, in principle , can live their entire future lives in the war, there is nothing incredible in that, do the lebanese live there like that or the syrians live there, how many years has the war been going on in syria ? 10, and for ukrainians it may just be a normal life fate, well, if we count from 2014, then we will also have it soon, again, it was the 14th year, it was the beginning of a low- intensity war, ugh, when 17 civilians died there per year, conditionally they say, and military personnel could also be counted, there was nothing good there, one death is a tragedy, but there was no attack on the entire territory of the country, no missile attacks, no drone strikes, no destruction of infrastructure, no mass migration,

there was simply the occupation of part of the territory is a war of low intensity, i also do not promise in the near future. it can begin, and again, if it begins with negotiations or without them, then we can also talk about it, as about new circumstances, that such a war has started, it is happening only conditionally in the south or in donbas, it does not need a large number of mobilized people, it does not need a large number of new equipment, because we can receive aggressors, but we cannot leave... we already have our own missiles, if he shoots at the dnipro, we shoot at yaroslavl, and then no one shoots at anyone, there are simply battles there, and this is a low -intensity war, but even in order to arrange such a war, to reach such a war, it takes years high-intensity wars, and

some at least informal agreements between the parties, someone has to agree. what about the grain corridor, that we don't shoot here, you don't shoot here, and that our struggle takes place only in a specific area, this is a different war, this is a war that allows us to return to a conditionally peaceful life, hold elections, even join nato or of the european union, but again, in order to get into a state of such a war, which was in ukraine from 2014 to 2022, you also need to be lucky. because this is happiness, a transition from a war of high intensity, which can be unfavorable option to end with the disappearance of the ukrainian state from the political map of the world of the ukrainian people from the city of their traditional settlement, because this war is not the final solution to the ukrainian issue, it is not a joke. to go to war, to a war of low intensity, which will not allow the aggressor to even dream of destroying ukraine, is a great happiness, i

sincerely wish the ukrainian people such happiness, the happiness of such a war, because i do not yet have happiness... peace look even in the most optimistic perspective, and i know that there will still be a way out of the low war, because not the eternal putin regime, it will be absolutely incomprehensible to the russians, why keep it all in this form, when you can seize something else there, their aggression can be channeled on weaker opponents and enemies, that is, it can be anything, but again, for the war low intensity, you see, you need a strong army, huh. everything that general zaluzhnyi talks about is necessary, it is necessary that the russians are afraid of losing what they are occupying, it is even necessary that if they, we will occupy everything, if it happens in some in the foreseeable future, that the russians would be afraid to cross our border, that they would fight exclusively on the border for some border regions, that is, but you