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the kremlin ceases to control the perimeter, in particular, this concerns dagestan itself, and in fact, i would like to ask you, and who can be behind the attempt to organize all those things that concern these events themselves , look, they started , maybe, as it often happens, with some post in the telegram, with some call, random, as a reason, you know, not a reason, but a reason. well, let's say, yes, the morning of dagestan turned to the salafis, the salafi youth, who abundantly represented mainly among the avars, as far as i understand, in dagestan and makhachkala, to support with active actions, direct actions, actions, that is what it means, the cleansing of the jews, well, a certain amount could be ignited to run, but here is another question: after all they ran all day, somewhere in hosoverte to a hotel, here to the airport, there was even a meeting the next morning, they suggested that they would announce that they are going, check documents, break into the airport, then take out the office equipment, break down the doors, and

no significant force is visible , which would prevented this, there is not the roshvardy, which is growing, which means from under the ground , there is the fsb, there is something else, there is nothing like that, they are running around the airport, the runway, all day and evening, they are asking about... jews and so further, in my opinion, no one was found, as far as i understand, and literally, well, probably, at night , the next morning, some forces that were there only appear, they did not go anywhere, they did not land, they were stationed there directly in dagestan, the forces of the roshvardiya and the army are there, and there is only one there not in the north caucasus, is it possible to assert that this situation itself was provoked, as a reason, i emphasize, we will say the reasons, but by the fsb themselves or by the curators there, who somehow act through their... structures, because this is the morning of dagestan, as they say, they are there in turkey, a few people are sitting, true, false, well, in general , some such dark history, they are acting, do they interact with any of these people, even from dagestan itself or from the kremlin

or from lubyanka , i don't know, but it will be allowed i can, why not, because they provoked this audience, they ran away, they were looking for something in the fans there, but they were looking for the propellers in these turbines, now about the reasons, well, first of all, the completely anti-semitic atmosphere in the kremlin, it has already finally stopped the kremlin will portray something, yes, the power structures, they were like that before, anti-semitic, so absolutely anti-jewish, anti-israeli, whatever, as any epithet is suitable, now even these have stopped portraying some kind of tolerance, tolerance, some kind of reciprocity , that we are dealing with others, openly in direct text, at the level of the former , well-known soviet state...semitism , the positions are clearly indicated: jews, they are so weak, they are unreliable, citizens of jewish nationality, so what are these then such special people, who must be so called, will be marked, because it is not at all clear what and how, and the kremlin took this position

absolutely not by chance, supporting hamas, namely hamas, absolutely not by accident, listen, they are their allies, they are their allies for many, many years, already under putin, i'm not even talking about previous years, well, hamas arose there, after all, not so long ago compared to op or fatah, of course, they are their direct allies, they support them in everything, these support these, they support those, but excuse me, hamas came out in february, at the end of february, when... the operation started last year, the so-called special military operation in relation to ukraine, with the full support of moscow, against ukraine, made an anti-ukrainian statement, yes, well not about iran we are talking, everything is clear with iran in general, it is asked why ukraine itself should not have supported israel in response , that is where the logic is, well, support hamasaz or whatever, yes ukraine should have, that is how it all understands itself and the statement that they sound, well, look, at this meeting, putin speaks, my fists clench when he sees peaceful people dying there in the gas. that they shrink at you? where do

you shrink them? with whom do you want to fight with israel or in the face of israel with the western peace. no, well, if we have already spoken, you know, about the suffering of the arab population, it is worth mentioning just the bombardment with phosphorus bombs, the very same aleppo and not only aleppo, you understand, or what the wagnerites created there, yes, yes, yes, and i want you , sledgehammers, they killed, they killed with sledgehammers on camera, they killed vagrants, that means the participants of this... the syrian resistance was killed with sledgehammers, and they used chemical weapons there, moscow used chemical weapons, tried it in syria and something that no one felt anything about , and the scale of the victims was completely incalculable, hundreds, hundreds of thousands died in syria, you know, not to mention all the other things that sound cynical and duplicitous and so on, but they reached the goal, the islamic world as a whole, if we are talking in general, yes, he is somehow on the side of hamas, on the side of the palestinian authority.

in this case, the frontman of this topic is hamas, when they talk about freedom of palestine, safe gaza, it's all about hamas, it's not just about palestine, you know, palestinians live in different places, something on the west bank of the jordan river no one is throwing bombs, do you agree that they are throwing bombs, killing children or something? no, it is fighting with hamas, yes, the fact that the civilian population is dying is completely and entirely the responsibility of hamas, if there was no action on october 7... it was not only the murder of 1,400 israeli citizens in the south of israel, but also the taking of 220 hostages man, well, now they say 220, then 240, it is not known exactly how many died, but forgive me, the full responsibility for all the consequences lies with hamas, because you, they, more precisely, always had the opportunity for these since the passage of october 7, it is time to return the hostages to lay down their arms, stop the resistance, and so on , and this was proposed to them, they thought that they could play with the palestinian population in

the gaza sector like this, exposed it to the most terrible threat of danger, death, as a result of retaliatory actions , this is a question of ensuring security, this is a question of punishing the guilty , and israel will not refuse this, yes, the ground operation is going on, it is going in phases, sectorally it is going, not to say on a large scale, but nevertheless it continues, with from this point of view, of course, moscow has taken an unequivocal anti-pro-khamas position and is doing everything to ensure that israel loses first in the information war, it has already lost it, this is a fact, and then it lost the purely military situation, so to speak, stopped the actions, see, mark, why did the kremlin, so to speak, fit in so actively against israel, we remember how putin sobbed on bibim netanyahu's shoulder, we understand that they had a longer relationship, but no, it was at this moment that putin decided . actively participate and we understand that, well, no

hamas came up with this attack on israel on its own, that is, we understand that it is iran, and someone else advised it, so there is an assumption that the kremlin specifically hinted or helped? it is not excluded, because first of all, the western press writes that they have been preparing this operation for 2 years, 2 years, well , what are they for 2 years, they constantly went to moscow, in august they saw mashala there, they are giving the khaniya to mr. lavrov, in moscow or in st. petersburg, they were at the summit, it means something, they meet not only with lavrov, but with the leadership of the special services, with the army, and so on, they have the closest relationship, as for why exactly now moscow has taken an anti-israel position, could it maneuver, yes, somehow, well, they would have condemned the events of october 7, said let's go to peace, let's go, no, i think that they are interested in delaying of this entire history, in order to shift attention from ukraine to the middle east, if israel quickly wins, wins, solves the hamas issue, deals with iran, but this... they will not be happy, because they

will have problems of the second nature, there well iran supplies missiles, supplies shells, there are many things, if military facilities are bombed, there are nuclear infrastructures, there are some centrifuges, and so on, then these plants may also suffer, for sure, and this will greatly help ukraine, but they will stop killing ukrainians with these shahedami, as for hamas itself, you know, hamas is a force that is not controlled by, let's say, the significant forces of the arab east, which... can provoke, look, it would seem like such a large-scale and terrorist action, but it is only a momentary one there in the afternoon, it was carried out in a flash on the territory of israel, and the consequences around the world, global consequences , today palestine, yes, well, in the same context, yes, that is , it says something, that they know where it will press, they know where it will hit, they understand how it works, in moscow they understand exactly how it works , the jewish question, the middle east question, the palestinian-israeli question is the most painful, the most sensitive question, they put pressure there

in order to, i repeat, solve their problems in eastern europe, solve your problem with a war that they are not winning, at least in order to... what's the point of peace , listen, let's agree on ukraine, let's sit down, leave us the occupied territories, let's demilitarize ukraine there, let's, well, here's the whole set, and then let's get together and solve the middle east problem, we say , we offer, we are members of the middle east four, moscow says, we are ready to take hostages, we are ready, and therefore, to contribute to the creation of a palestinian state, to participate in negotiations between countries, we have contact both there and there, well , it sounds directly open, we have peace. that's why it's being done, and it's not profitable for moscow for israel to deal with hamas quickly now, it's very unprofitable , well, because the problem will go away and everything will switch back to ukraine, and with even greater aggravation and ferocity, because israel will certainly support ukraine more decisively now, there is still an extremely characteristic moment, some intra-russian

poll conducted by levvada center, they are starting to measure the mood, i don’t know if they so to speak, such numbers helped form. is it really possible to have such a statistical reflection of sentiments that two-thirds, about 70% of russians would like, they would accept with gratitude, if putin stopped the aggression against ukraine, but at a characteristic moment that less than a third of those people would like, for putin to return our illegally and temporarily occupied territories, but we understand that all these dances, starting from dagestan, and all the public opinion polls, this is rather all about the events in six months, when putin himself will be reassigned, but look, we really cannot judge the reliability of all these figures, we cannot judge, that is, they may be reliable, partially, they may not be, they show a trend, after all, the war

has been going on for more than 20 months, already the twenty-first month, it's a lot, it's a lot, for ukraine, it's a lot, for the world, it's a lot, but it's a lot for the russians, too. a lot, because every day increases the number of dead, the costs of this war, in the economy, in the social sphere, and a lot in what, this is not that they are so happy, russian citizens , yes, they can certainly feel a certain desire, it would all be over faster, they can feel, there is no doubt about it, another question, you understand, all- after all, we are dealing with a totalitarian system, it has already developed as a totalitarian one, what are the individual elements there? clusters still remain from the previous authoritarian period, so to speak , they somehow exist, like gaps, yes, there is simply an opportunity to go and rest in turkey, you know that, from the times like that to say, even the authoritarian putin's russia of the previous two decades, yes, or to internet access, it's even more so to say, too , it's already shrinking from there, but still it's from

the old life, the question is how much putin should be listened to in connection with the elections and it is necessary he listens to this kind of mood, i completely... that this may shake his decision to continue doing what he was doing, you see, sociology is interesting, of course, you can try to maneuver under it, they will change some of their actions, but rely on public opinion, which is fickle, putin definitely does not gather, the elections will take place very quickly, there are no elections, that is, they will announce this figure, but they will measure it too, will it not cause a riot, response reactions, that is exactly why there are discussions about the mobilization of the new, conducts it or does not conduct? before the elections, after the elections, and so on, of course, this is not only a question of mobilization, it is rather a question connected with public sentiments, which should not contrast too strongly with the actions of the authorities, too strongly, i think that within the permissible

range, moscow maneuvers quite well between its interests, it still realizes them anyway, at least for war, at least in elections, actually with the dissatisfaction of citizens, yes, that is, they are in general quite...' that is why i personally think that these sociological polls are more likely to indicate fatigue from the war in russia itself, rather than some kind of readiness, the desire of the population to somehow change their fate, but correcting these plans in the main, in general, will force putin to give up the war can only a military defeat, a real military defeat, and this is a combination of all efforts, this is a military defeat itself, and there is desertion. of the front and pressure from the west is more decisive with the provision of a type of weaponry that will decisively change the balance and so on and so on and so on. this is possible, this is the mood of the people, let's give what they will demand. we won't, well, i can't help but remember the great

prophet, so to speak, who has been hiding putin for many years, the legendary professor solovya, i don't know who to believe anymore, you know, well, for now we we see, if not a hologram, then at least putin's unchanging policy, if putin really was lying in a refrigerator, you know, in white sneakers, well, clearly some other process would have already begun, that is, we understand that irreconcilable clans would begin to fight among themselves. but the key story, if valery solovei is sincerely mistaken, then who can actively use this case, and why is it so actively bubbling? everyone wants him to die, i want him, you want him, everyone wants him to die, so, you know, imagine, and they tell you, but he died, and people, oh, how, ah, how it flowed, warm, in the stomach, everything, that is, it is from a huge desire, you know, and people want to discuss it. because it creates such a kind of, you know, somewhat playful, somewhat cheerful, but joyful inner mood , that we finally got rid of this

cannibal, that's why people are very fond of it, i think valery dmitrievich exploits it, that's what i have feeling, he knows it and he consciously parasitises it, that's what i can explain, now that concerns putin in refrigerator, but by the way, i already said that this is an excellent meme, putin in the refrigerator, so here he is, it sounds very good, putin in the refrigerator, the direct name for the stream is good, yes, so i think that, of course, there is the benefit of the acquirer from this story, the kremlin, after all, rushed to comment on it in the face of the sand, however, it could not comment, say, listen, there it is like, and they are commenting, it means that it may even be profitable for them to bury him all the time, bury, put in a grave, put in a grave, then he has cancer, then another, but he outlives everyone, that is, the unkillable putin, that is, forget about the fact that putin can be destroyed, and even a handsome man went against him, and where is your handsome man, you know, maybe for the kremlin, this is purely netshanskoye, you know, like zaratur, zaratur said, what does not kill us makes us stronger,

accordingly, putin's rumors about his death make him stronger, make him unkillable, and maybe the kremlin, maybe even out of pure trollingovykh some kind of thought, he is also ready to eat on this topic, show off, somehow you know, show, well, what is vladyvych there, look at him , he is sitting at a meeting and so on, that rabinovich will not wait in a joke, so here, they are ready to poke fun at it a little, but yes, you know, with with far-reaching goals, that putin is moving towards the elections of his seventy-second year, well himself, so to speak, healthy, vigorous, and so on, so he is probably pursuing such a goal, well, they are talking about a curable cancer, and he is cured, let’s say, if this is really true, because a person who... he is like that

putin does not appear, does not look, does not do business, even from what we see, you see, i wanted to ask you, mark, about the american election cycle, we understand that there are ongoing debates, debates are unpleasant, well, we understand for what purpose, namely the stabilization of the geopolitical situation, on the one hand, on the other hand, we understand that powerful attacks on biden are ongoing now, because the democrats would rather put forward the possible. specifically his, and accordingly, an article by simon shuster appeared, you see, well, it was done by the shusters in ukraine, well, but in any case, a person who had some kind of access to some offices, yes, and the article is quite unpleasant , although it is quite symptomatic, because it caused a colossal resonance in various serious political circles, that is, the article is more serious than a throw , for example, general svr about dead putin in the refrigerator. well, frankly, let’s say that such an article could have appeared an hour ago , well, like that, or a year and a half ago, well, during

the war, it seems to me, no, it seems to me, no, somehow in general and ethically , politically, it would be inappropriate more than that, it would be ostracized as a journalist , to say the least, it is put so mildly, they would see the order in this, they would see the interests of the kremlin, and now , after some time, no one accuses him of what it is he had such a commitment that he went, somehow he found out everything, he gave such material, like an interview and zelsky accepted it and so on, he wrote such a thing, yes, you know, it certainly does not depend on that, that in my opinion the article is bad, in my personal opinion, yes, because it is like that some kind of poisonous too much, it does not have the degree of objectivity that i would like to have, there are no surnames, there are no surnames , you understand, it refers to some ephemeral advisers, there are no specific surnames, somehow it is also like that, well, yes, like the president’s entourage,

really, that's who it is, that such things, who say such things, well, okay, fine, i think that this is the atmosphere itself, now it's exactly the kind that we talked about above, that after all, the war has been going on for too long, really exhausted public opinion, and the same the main thing is that it affects everything inside america, precisely inside american problems , we have in mind the elections, this aggravation is precisely connected with the elections, because president biden is definitely now yielding to this narrative that has arisen, there, well, it is somehow personified with trump , by the republicans, what is wrong there, now they are recruiting. points, they do not lose points, because the middle east crisis aggravated this whole situation, let's help israel first, then ukraine, this is a priority and so on, in this situation, of course, of course, and biden and his administration look quite pale, because it turns out that they did not solve the problem alone, in ukraine, they were called to this, they were talking there since december

last year, well, in general, with a successful operation, h back in september... kharkiv, what is needed decisively, is now using the moment, giving all the necessary weapons, well, to achieve more decisive success, yes, to reach the sea, something else, during the counteroffensive, and so on, and then there was a pause , время, сейчас его клюют в america strongly, on the one hand, on the other, they say, well, if you missed everything like this, then god be with him, let's drop it all , we won't get involved to such a degree, it depends on the situation in ukraine, it's more aimed at... us to ukraine, neither to zelsky, nor to public opinion in ukraine, and above all to america. it seems to me that this is to a large extent related to this, for sure it will continue until november, until the elections are held and in january, when the inauguration of the new one will take place or thereabouts the former, acting president of the usa, this situation will only get worse, even if it is just a reminder that it will be next year , yes, because someone might confuse it, of course,

of course, in 204, in november, elections will be held and if so to speak, the enemy of the current one will win president biden, then in january, somewhere around january 20, 2025, he will take the office of the first person, that is, the president of the united states, but until that moment , there is still a lot that can happen, a lot of things, it is important to state that if israel will succeed in the foreseeable future, well it's a month, a month and a half, there, i'm talking about such a time frame, to deal with hamas and even prepare the ground for strikes on iran, and i think that this is inevitable, this is my... opinion, that it now it is inevitable, together with the usa, separately, but nevertheless, it will aggravate, worsen the situation for moscow, you know, delaying is beneficial now and then and there, so that these conflicts continue and continue, moscow insisted on this, in the end i also played on these moods, not satisfied with the way biden's opponent played in the elections within the united states, from this point of view, of course, the biden administration is more

interested in the decisive image now. to give ukraine all the necessary weapons, so to speak, to help in a decisive way, to achieve an obvious result, to cause some inspiration, that everything was not in vain, that we still achieved and so on, but the hostage indicated that for this it is necessary , yes, he said about it, that is , to reproach that you are not there we have achieved what we hoped for, he says, we have only advanced 17 km, we need 30 a day, well, you know how good it would be, but even now there are still no planes and not enough. missiles with a long range of action and many things are not there, and even current ammunition, there are problems with them in ukraine, there are problems with them, so america really needs to be determined, because fighting requires determination, if you fight, then fight to the full without any restrictions, give us weapons after all, not american the soldiers are dying, solve this problem that in israel, that in ukraine in part of their powers, part of their competences, help,

first of all military, which, well, in israel, the second one is not enough. it is clear that america's task there will not allow a regional war to escalate into a regional war, if not a global one, yes, in ukraine the task is more local - it is simply to give ukraine the opportunity to simply reach the sea and cut off the eastern and southern fronts, now it is out of the question is coming, because it will be taken in one day will liberate the entire territory of ukraine, that is 19-20% of the occupied territory of ukraine, just let the fronts be cut, for this of course additional forces, means, resources and so on are needed. and then they will figure it out, corruption, it means how well or badly they managed it, that’s after that, then yes, please , just like in israel, now nobody, no one comes to the head to immediately shoot on tenyakh, yes, no, already friend , of course, we will deal with you, come on, solve for us, vopros s gaza, and then we will deal with you, that's how the questions are solved, thank you very much mark for