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so, let's talk about this important visit, as far as what it means, in my opinion, ms. ursula, came here deliberately before the publication of the already final report of the european commission, the so-called enlargement report, which should give, as she confirmed today, a positive recommendation , so that at the end of this year the leaders of the country. members of the european union decided to open membership negotiations with ukraine. i think that, apart from all the positive messages that ms. ursula has in various variations and in the verkhovna rada of ukraine today made public, and during the press conference with president zelensky, and regarding the report of the european commission, and regarding the development of a mechanism for supporting ukraine for the next four years, and these grants.

50 billion euros to ukraine under special conditions, and other things , i think that besides that it was quite clear during the negotiations behind closed doors, about those things that ukraine will still have to complete, to complete in order for this decision to be adopted in at the end of the year, i think it was also about what the european commission is expecting a real meaningful plan. the so-called plan of ukraine, on the basis of which these funds of 50 billion euros , which she spoke about, can be allocated, to date this plan has not yet been submitted to the european commission, and it is clear that this plan must contain step-by-step reforms, because these funds will to be provided not on an unconditional basis, as it has been so far with macro-financial assistance

during the time of a full-scale invasion, but with specific conditions at each stage, and this is a completely different approach, i think all these things have been discussed today, well obviously, and it was about how the european union plans to provide military support to ukraine, how the situation will develop with the approval of the next 12th package of sanctions against the russian federation and other things that are on our joint agenda, but as far as i i understand, these 50 billion must be allocated one way or another, only if ukraine agrees on something there with hungary, hungary also blocks this aid, and as far as i remember, the prime minister of hungary, viktor orber, even invited the ukrainian delegation to come to budapest to talk about the conditions, how to get around this situation? in fact, all the things we are counting on today from the union and 50

billion within the framework of the support mechanism for ukraine, and the opening of negotiations on membership, and the same 20 billion that will be discussed now. as a potential filling of the instrument of the european instrument of peace, from which funds should also be allocated for military aid to ukraine, all these instruments today very strictly depend on how hungary can be persuaded to stop blocking them, because each, each of these instruments, or each of these steps, he has, well, such opposition from the side of hungary to date, and i think that we have tried to remove the issue from the side of ukraine as much as possible with all our actions, and the verkhovna rada of ukraine , and the government of ukraine here acted together, acted

together, and in the matter of national minorities, it seems to me that the maximum possible was done from the point of view of taking into account the recommendations of the venice commission, and now the ball is still in this case, in this specific direction in the half of the field of our partners, who are among themselves must find those tools, or you want, well , pressure, or persuasion within the european union, which will force hungary to change its, well, so stubborn, consistently stubborn negative position regarding advancement. of ukraine on one or another track. we saw the protocol filming of ursula funder's meeting with volodymyr zelenskyi, she is smiling there, she is so friendly. but what could she talk about to volodymyr zelsky behind closed doors, because this week, at least two such materials came out, which are definitely world news

the community reads, and these materials are related to ukraine, one in time, and the other in the economist. miss ivano, what do you think? well, let's go. all materials, i think that for thinking people, and here in ukraine, in the world , they did not become some kind of cold shower and revelation, i think that in particular, the article of our commander-in-chief zaluzhnyi, she simply clearly expressed that if there really are settings to help ukraine win this war, then victory help to win must look different, and he clearly outlined what we need in order for us to could really plan their military operations and effectively implement them, right? and as for what ms. ursula could have said behind closed doors, i think it's also a matter of the fact that, well, the mood is

difficult enough today, and it's hard for us to say that we have the same level of support that we had among... societies at the beginning of a full-scale invasion , it is far from that, well, only in certain countries it is actually kept at an extremely high level, as in the same sweden, for example, there are more than 97% of people continue to support actions supported by ukraine in the military sphere, in the financial sphere, in the sanctions pressure on the russian federation in the issue of the introduction of this special military tribunal... to punish the aggressor, these things, unfortunately, are rather an exception to this, on at such a level in various societies, and i think that it was said that ukraine also has to prove as much as possible that everything that it declares, that it does,

despite the war, in its reformation, it has, not only. you, and specific ones to prove with actions and results, because this will be what will help to maintain this assistance that we have today, ideally to increase it. obviously we are talking about corruption, obviously we are talking about blatant cases , here are the ones that we learned not only from journalists , we already learned from the accounting chamber of ukraine, which published a report for, beginning with for the first half of the 23rd year of how and in what way , roz, well, the funds of the ministry of defense, in particular those used for food, were squandered, if you will, between the three and seven billion hryvnias, it is possible to calculate

the losses according to the results of the accounting chamber, obviously, when we are talking about the clear statements of ukrainian state bodies. which, by the way, our partners actively work as an accounting chamber, they work in order to arm it with additional tools, the ability to carry out its work qualitatively, and when: the following statements are heard from it, obviously, this worries our partners, who allocate such crazy funds and plan to allocate additional funds so that ukraine can go through it test, could defend herself with dignity, please tell me, when they talk about the reforms of the european union, how much these reforms will change the situation in general and which european union ukraine can join, if these reforms really take place, and we saw this week that there was also a meeting in

berlin, which, well, started such a meaningful conversation within the european union , regarding how the european union sees internal reform for itself, and it seems to me that one can somehow cautiously count on the fact that it will not be complete completion of the internal reform within the european union. with the enlargement process, if the countries are ready, having done all their homework, then the unfinished, let's say, internal reform process in the eu should not stand in the way, i hope that such a decision will be taken finally, should not stand in the way of their accession to the european union, as far as what it will focus on, it's obvious, and the issue of... different policies and financial assistance in different

sectors of the economy, and this will definitely be about agriculture, it will definitely be about the same road transport, we are seeing new challenges that arise on the border with poland, including with regard to potential further changes in the opening additional, additional gates for ukrainian carriers. also, these changes will apply, and the reform will apply to the decision-making process, and there is currently a serious discussion within the european union, whether it is possible to make changes regarding consensus decision-making on all issues, or most of the questions, whether this change can be accepted without changing the agreement on the european union, it seems to me that , after all, european countries today are ready... to change without changing the agreement itself, because otherwise, we think, we would get into a

very, very a long, long, serious, well, such a reform process, which could definitely block the entry, well, not only of ukraine, but of any of those countries that are currently applying for candidacy or membership. after the opening of the negotiations of the heads of the european union countries regarding the accession of ukraine to the eu, how much longer can it take: mrs. ivanna, until the moment when ukraine joins it, the shortest path that this or that country took was finland, it took 3.5 years, on average, this process in those countries that passed it over the last decades, several decades successfully, and it took an average of seven years, we also hear from you about the readiness for enlargement, or the targeting that the european union will be ready for enlargement by 2030, well, let's hope , which maximum, which

for ukraine, this process may take time, but here i would like to immediately emphasize that in exactly two years we will not be ready for membership in the european union, as today's leadership of the country wants to present, and i believe that in this case, too, the same mature conversation , which is being conducted today... by the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine with ukrainian and world society, we would also like to have the same serious conversation, the leadership of both the president, the prime minister, and the responsible deputy prime minister with ukrainian society, regarding the fact that this is a difficult, complex work that will take a long time, that will require maximum efforts at all levels of power and maximum reinforcement of all powerful cabinets with real professionals. and please tell me, ms. ivanna, if we talk

about this negotiation process in principle, it will already run parallel to the negotiations of the countries of the western balkans, where one crisis after another, will not hinder the ukrainian process of european integration at all. what is happening now in the balkan countries can make them also a rather serious problem region for further integration. you know, of course we are not immune to the fact that new crises can distract attention, that new crises can affect the processes there in other parts and in others. relations of the european union with certain countries. at the same time, i think that it is extremely important that the european union made this decision about geopolitical expansion for itself, and that the european union somewhere finally came to its senses and understood that those ideas and those principles on which

the european union was based, they, if is such a desire of the countries - in the neighborhood of the european union, then it is necessary to use and expand this space of freedom, this space of respect for the law, for rights, and for freedoms, and therefore, i think that today, after all, the configuration of the european union, it consists in the fact that the enlargement will take place, and the european institutions will help as much as possible so that the countries cope with their homework and minimize, will try to minimize those new challenges that may, may arise along the way. the press secretary of the white house, karin jeanpierre, said that the pentagon is forced to reduce the size of military aid packages to ukraine, because the money that was

previously allocated is running out, and the congress has not yet managed to adopt a new multi-dimensional program, in fact, this is the material valeriy zaluzhny, can he somehow influence the fact that the congress will speed up after all, and see the need to further help ukraine, given what he describes, valery zaluzhny describes the situation as one that has gone into bad corner, well i think for sure, we are all hopeful. that this article and this material is so thorough, it provides part of the answers that some congressmen are allegedly looking for, and for which they were looking for both from the ukrainian leadership and from the american leadership, but at the same time , we should also not deceive ourselves and not

count, that one article, even an article with a head, even one that clearly answers... a question that clearly sets priorities , outlines tasks, and will solve, here it is now, well, that situation, i don't want to call it a stalemate, but a very difficult situation that we we have today in the american congress, we see with you that already, that the lower house of congress has already voted on separate aid for israel and now we are waiting, but how will the situation develop in the senate of the united states of america, and whether... as a result, this will stop the process of dividing the aid package that the biden administration submitted to the senate, whether it will still reach the president, how he will proceed in this situation, whether those hints that he may promise such an approach, they will be implemented and again let's return to a new circle,

it is obviously, fundamentally important for us that the united states already this year make this decision about funding for the ukrainian victory, because we understand that next year, every day of next year, it will be more and more difficult to make this decision, because unfortunately, the situation with the russian attack, with the russian aggression against ukraine will become a part, an increasingly large part of this domestic political discourse and struggle, in the context of the presidential race in the united states of america, so, in my opinion, right now, half of our parliament is only capable, well, half is probably not capable , but there are really about 30-40 deputies who know how to hold a conversation with our partners, they should be permanently in the congress of the

united states of america, but we do not see this, well such a reinforced, maximum landing. then here too we should join forces with public organizations and government officials and act in the same way as we acted when we received or tried to receive candidate status. thank you, ms. ivan, get well, please, ivannesh tsensadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union, we were in touch, and now we will talk about one more important and difficult region of the world, today is the 619th day of the war russia against ukraine, you see it on our screen, and the 29th day of the war in the middle east, maybe we can count it that way, it’s still two fingers, i think that after a certain time we will have a hand with these days in various wars world, we must prepare for this too, and for now let's talk about this second war.

igor simivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, we will be on the phone now, congratulations mr. igor, congratulations, congratulations, sir, so let's start with the president's visit to israel, how important do you think it will be and what will be its consequences, well, you know, i think this is a risky trip from the point of view of further relations with the middle east, and especially against the background of the intensification of the war and the ongoing foreign operation in the gas sector, but it is not for me to decide, as you understand, that is will be bad for us and for israel? well , i don't know how about israel. it will be problematic for ukraine, especially in relations with arab countries. ugh. and what can we achieve now when we talk about building relations with arab countries, well

with israel, it is clear, this will make it easier, at least the task of the president of the united states, to put together this famous package from which we have to get money, and what about the arab countries, they communicated with moscow, and they communicate, and they do not have any big problems? no, without a doubt, they communicate with moscow, they do communicate with china, and they... communicate with ukraine, and in the end , ukraine's economic relations with the arab countries are quite strong, both investment and humanitarian support, that is, it cannot be said that we will not receive anything from the serbian world, and besides everything else, these are the votes of the general assembly, we don't want to lose those votes, if we talk about the visit... the secretary of state of the united states to israel, to the arab countries, it seems that today in amman he is meeting with the foreign ministers of the arab countries and with prime minister livano.

by the way, this is almost the same summit that president biden had to give up when he was in israel. what might the results be? well, the key outcome, the key task, at least for biden, is to prevent the conflict from spreading to the west bank and the north. the north of israel, for the north of israel, the americans have aircraft carriers, and i think this is a pretty clear warning to hezbollah and iran, but it is important to ensure security and peace in the west bank, precisely for this, on the one hand, he communicates with mahmoud abbas and respectively with representatives. the palestinians as jordan and the king of jordan on the other hand he is putting pressure on the israelis to

, at least, do everything so that the settlers do not now commit aggression against the palestinians in the west bank, and it seems to me that it is difficult to do here, but well let's see, i think at least so far the west bank is stable and the palestinian authority is in control, i don't know if you saw this video when the knesset representatives, it was such a closed closed screening, they were shown videos of hamas atrocities and people were leaving from there, the deputies left there, well, some who were not just crying, but some were sick and needed some kind of medical help, but in the meantime we see that it doesn't matter, this support for hamas in the world, it does not decrease, here and there, we hear the news that stars of david are being painted somewhere, thus marking where the jews live, uh,

is it possible to somehow break it down and explain to people where, where is good, where is evil, you know, i don't want to think in categories good and evil, because it is very dangerous, and it seems to me that anti-semitism, which it manifests, should be distinguished have really grown now, and anti, anti-arabism or anti-muslim sentiments, which have also grown to a great extent, and both are, it is satiation, in relation to fellow citizens, because it destroys civil peace in these countries, and, i, the problem of palestine, it is not only a problem of hamas, it cannot be solved only by what you define... hamas, the problem

of palestine has at least a hundred years of history and has a formula for solving it, which in the end, well, the world has to put an end to it, to stay solution, how it will be solved, this question is not to me, obviously, a significant number of those people who go to demonstrations or demonstrate a position of support for the palestinians, they do not demonstrate a position of support for hamas, there are such people, but it is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. well, we, i think that lesya meant that these people who go to the so-called pro-palestinian demonstrations, in principle , they do not say a word about the death of peaceful residents of israel, and it became obvious, but if we talk about good and evil , then people who do not say anything about the murdered women and children, no matter which flags they went out with, no matter which universities they studied in, they are bright representatives of evil, when people

condemn both this and that, let's say, the execution of civilians, they can be understood, they may not know the history of the struggle against israel and of palestinian autonomy, not knowing how the palestinians are always used as a tool of the power of the arab countries, this has been happening for many decades, not everyone should study this complex history of the middle east, it is not the task of the people, even in such countries as european, where everyone has a relative who took part in the holocaust, but we are just talking about sympathy for peaceful residents, well, without a doubt, sympathy should be expressed by those who do not express it. i also condemn them and also think that this is wrong, and what do you say about the egyptian government, here it would seem that the arab world, but it does not agree to take the residents of gaza, it turns out that it is not exactly the arab world, the arab world supports, supports that , expulsion of palestinians from the gas, well at least those who

fled... from the war and take them in? well , i think that this is a very difficult question, it is not ambiguous, it has both a security dimension and a political dimension, the security dimension is that the appearance of palestinian settlements in sinai is a major destabilization of the situation for egypt, but it seems that the political factor plays a key role here. if the palestinians find themselves outside the borders of gaza, that is, they will be squeezed out of their land, the land, then it is unlikely that they will return there. ugh, well, the macedonians accepted, let's say, the albanians of kosovo and didn't think about it, and then these people returned when there was a political decision, a political decision that assumes that there is

two states, and within these two states cardboards are respected, you just have the impression that the egyptian government simply has a fear that these people who will move to the territory of egypt from the gas sector may be an additional element of destabilization in egypt itself, that they prefer them to be better, let them be better there, death under the bombs awaits everyone there, just so that they do not create problems for the egyptian government? i think that, of course , security issues, as i said, security issues are certainly there, but i think the key issue is political, no one... ready to take on a decision that provides that the population of gaza will be deported to the territory of egypt, and you imagine the political situation in general , the solution to the problem of the sector itself, let's say, let's imagine that hamas is gone, it is destroyed, although i don't really understand how, well, let's think it's possible, and what's next, well, i'm not anthony

blinken, am i? well, blinkin blinkin doesn't know this either, yes, obviously, well, there is , for example, erdogan's idea, he introduces turkish troops there and declares, in fact, a protectorate of turkey for a while. ugh, and that resolves conflict, how long? no, it does not solve the conflict, the conflict solves if two states are created , that is, a palestinian state and so then it solves the conflict, and as for gas, well, this issue is practically as of now, such that there is no exit strategy, as far as i understand, and neither you israeli government, nor the american government, nor all the others, and the arabs do not know what to do with it, and maybe a palestinian state without hamas, maybe, well, obviously.