[000:00:00;00] general zaluzhnyi, what is needed is that the russians are afraid of losing what they are occupying, even if they are, we will reoccupy everything, if it happens in any conceivable prospect, so that the russians are afraid to cross our border, so that they are afraid only there on the border for some border regions , that is, but you understand that these are options, they need to be considered as options in development, and we are constantly considering the option... as options that something ends, so we have reached the state border and that's all, the russians say, oh, my god, what that's all, we went home, what, or we left and stopped at some kind of contact line at a stalemate, and that's it, russian woman, well, a stalemate, we can't break through, oh, we prayed, please excuse me, what's the point anyway,

general zalozhny's articles, he talks about military... decisions, uh, in principle, we discuss military decisions all the time , the war does not end with military decisions, the armed forces of any country can only create the prerequisites for a political decision, the armed forces can do without a political there is only one solution in the only case, the case of genocide, if the armed forces, as a country, destroy the entire population of the occupied country, they do not need any political solution, russians, and what about you, that’s it, i’m just telling you the pages of russian history, here putin is telling, and i i tell you when ivan the terrible, the favorite of the russian people and so on, took over the kazan, astrakhan khanate, well, the kazan strakhan khanate was practically cut off, the urban population, kazan, which by the way was already a protectorate

of russia at that time. and in principle accepted all these political schemes that are being offered to us now, it was destroyed, the entire muslim population was evicted from the city, as well as the insured, and the tatar population, the kazan and astrakhan khanates, as well as all the surrounding territories, were forbidden to settle in the cities for many centuries, here they are began to recover in kazansky on the territory of the modern republic of tatarstan only there in the 19th and 20th centuries and they began to live there in cities, and so on. in the ostrakhan khanate in the current ostrakhan oblast of the russian federation, they never recovered 10% of the tatar population, there is a case of 100, eh, and there is no need for any political solution, as you understand, there are no people, there are no problems, another great example of how no political solution is needed is the annexation of crimea, i mean

not this one, but katerininska, because the annexation of crimea, at the time of the annexation of crimea, 90% of the crimean-tatar population lived in crimea, due to the efforts of the russian government, this number was reduced there to 20-25%, which later turned into 10, too there is no need to sign any decisions with anyone, there is no one to sign with, just everyone expelled, and such examples, there are many such examples, we look at the southern caucasus, well, there, just like that, people were driven into aulas, guards were created. and the fortresses there are formidable makhachkala, these are not the cities of the south caucasian peoples, they are russian fortresses in order to shoot at those inhabitants of the mauls who will approach some trading cities, well, there is the whole story, everything is very simple, if the russians cannot destroy ukrainians, they always tried the holodomor is a great example of what they are

also always understood that if we do not agree with the ukrainians, they must be gone, and we cannot destroy the russians, because we are not fighting on their territory at all, in general, we live in the 21st century, fortunately no one has destroyed anyone , although the russians are trying, ugh, well, one way or another , then in any case we will have to think about a political decision, if russia is not ready for this political decision, then this political decision should be made by the west, ugh, if the west is not ready for this of a political decision, that is, instead of of a political decision, there will be constant permanent military actions, on these territories and maybe on some others , for how long these military actions can continue , for as long as the warring parties have enough manpower, enough for five years, five years, for 10, 10, by 15, 20, we will finish faster than the russians, well, when we finish, then i will not , no political decisions will be needed, then russia will be here, you are right, so what we need, now our viewers will say , that the west melts us, no, it means that we

it should not be like that. ugh, at that moment, while we are not done yet, while tens of millions of people live here, it is necessary to demand a political solution, ukrainians, from their government or from our government. to our authorities from the west and to the ukrainians from the west, and we must clearly say that we have two options for a political solution, the first option, the european option, when we become part of nato, we are talking about european integration there, but this is now of secondary importance, i.e. of course, everyone really wants to defeat corruption and everything else, i am all that i understand very well, there will be no ukrainians , there will be no corruption, in order for there to be corruption, ukrainians are also needed, so that someone, for someone to steal, someone must be alive, you understand, the refrigerator with corpses is not stolen, they are simply frozen there, so what this is what is needed, and then we will overcome corruption, when we will be a peaceful state that will join the european union and we will not go anywhere, so to speak, because there will be nowhere else to go, so the main thing

is this, an invitation to nato, this is a guarantee of security with nato parties, which in principle will tell russia, something, let there be a passive situation somewhere, somewhere something has frozen, but then it will become worse, it means freeze so that it can only be from our side, ukraine says that the borders of 1991, great, if we succeed, it will be very good, the president , says correctly, well, we won’t understand when, if it doesn’t work out, we are reality, it comes to any house, for now, why do we have to say now that this is how the president speaks with an absolutely correct statist position , the border of 1991, it is necessary that this statist position be supported reality, firstly, secondly, there is another option, not european, middle eastern. which consists in the fact that israel's army must be stronger by such and such a number of times than the armies of neighboring states. ugh, we are not considering the question that some hamas or some hezbollah will defeat

israel. we are looking at the question of a high price for such a victory , not only from the point of view of the army, the defense of israel, but from the point of view of the civilian population of the gas sector and, if hezbollah enters this fight, lebanon, if suddenly a war begins on. northern israel lebanon will simply disappear from the political map, well, there will be something there, but there will be no lebanon, and all those in lebanon, by the way, understand perfectly well, so they do not want hezbollah to throw them into this furnace, there is nothing good in this, but israel from this won't disappear, israel won't disappear, if lebanon disappears, we just don't want lebanon to disappear and we don't want the civilian population to suffer, gases, but the balance is such, the strong army of israel can fight back. enemies, and the enemies are somehow forced to find a peaceful way of coexistence with israel, coexistence, not friendship, friendship between the russians and the ukrainians will never happen, so we need such an option, such an army, in human terms our army is well

trained, but technologically we are dependent on our partners, which means they have to equip us technologically and at the same time it does not matter much how many people live here in lestia, because there are fewer people living in israel, jews live there, yes, who serve in the army, because the arab population does not even serve in the army, there are 2 million of them, there, so what, in the arab world, how many people hundreds of millions, well, first of all, this world is disconnected, the russian world is united, it is worse, but in any case, the fact remains , israel has always repelled attacks, enemies, and it is necessary that ukraine, if it is not accepted into nato, if the fear of a nuclear war with russia is so great. then it is necessary to at least arm the ukrainian army so that the russian army has no idea of ​​the possibility of aggression, simply put, the ukrainian army must be technologically stronger, and, by the way, we have been talking about this not since the 22nd year, but since 2014,

remember you know, when is the secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine, oleksandr turchynov said that without missile armies, nothing would work, we would simply be doomed to a new russian attack. and what, and where are the missile armies, where are our missiles? as they say, we could do everything, but then we couldn’t stop the road, and this, by the way, does not apply only to volodymyr zelenskyi, it applies to ukrainian society, which all the time wanted to be, to live in a rich, successful, democratic country, such the country will not exist during the lifetime of the current generation of ukrainians, it will not be rich, it will not be prosperous either may. not be successful, and i very much hope that it will be democratic, although i have some doubts as to how far it will be able to afford it, but it may be a country which will concentrate all its efforts on

military resistance, and in this as a result, the country will have only people who are ready to dedicate their lives, the lives of their families, the lives of their children, to the idea of ​​preserving ukraine before the possibility of a russian takeover, to live here as in a fortress poorer than those ukrainians who will leave here, ugh, but i sorry, i still think i have every moral right to say that, on that simple point. israel, i don't live in israel, in israel people have always lived worse than in the united states and in european countries, worse and much less safe, as you can see, if you are an american jew, you have a great life. until a certain moment, the jews who lived in ukraine also lived safer, maybe not richer, but safer than our compatriots in the jewish state, i remember very well how my palestinian classmate, ugh. at university told me you will never go to israel, because

you love life very much, good wording, i'm even ready to put it on my account, i don't know there that i love life, or not life, or something, i have other priorities, but people, who went to live in israel, they devoted their lives, the lives of their families, the lives of their children, to the protection of the jewish state and the readiness to give their lives for this state at any critical moment, this will be the life of the new generation of ukrainians, there will be no others, those who want another? life should be packed suitcases after the war is over and live peacefully in some safer world, build ukrainian towns there, go to concerts, folk songs, cry, come here with a suitcase of gifts for relatives, and that's it, i even think that some of these people maybe, like the israelis, when the next round of war begins, they will pack their bags and come to come here, as it happens in february 2022, defend this country,

be disgusted and never return to their cozy ukrainian cities in the united states and european countries, but it will be so, it will not be otherwise, if there is a middle eastern option, and you and i talked about the national option, the national option says that this will be the last war, it will end, we will simply be part of the civilized world, russia will fight on other grounds, we will be in the audience box, look at it, sympathize with the foreign civilian population, fight that unfortunate children live under bombardment in bomb shelters, do not have medicine, food, normal life, come to this warring country, be volunteers there, help them, as we help europeans and everyone will say, oh, thank you very much, you came from ukraine, and we will say, oh, you know, our parents, they also experienced this, you know, when i was a little girl, i was sitting in a bomb shelter, there were terrible rockets, i remember it. i have such a childhood trauma, i even then went to a psychologist for three months, and now

i came to you, to some country there, let's not say country x, so as not to scare people, to help you, because everyone helped us then, people came from europe, good people, helped us with weapons and food and money, and we ukrainians also really, really want to help you, this can also be our life, that bright life, this is the life of people who will live all the time, contemplating free, but will be their direct participants, such an option is not excluded either. well, why not, i say, but a political solution must be chosen, general zaluzhny for president biden, for president macron, for federal chancellor scholz, for ursula fonderlein, for all western leaders, he will not choose it, general zaluzhny can simply inform the nomenclature weapons, this is not his task, but if general zuluzhny will inform you of the nomenclature of weapons, they will give you weapons there to see how it all happens, then, well, well, here you go.

received, now you have reached here, and now maybe you will reach here, and now you have reached here, and now you have to stand here, defend yourself, our main task, why were we not a party to the conflict, well, okay, then the middle eastern option, and we we walk in these pine trees, and here is the whole truth about these articles, well, if general zaluzhny addressed this article to our western partners, why was this article so offended, for example, in the preza office. why did the president not comment on her in any way, why did he comment, today at the press conference with ursula fonderlein, the president said that there is no stalemate with her, we are just at the press conference, he is basically recording a video message and well , i think that the president does not have to be in a polemic with the commander-in-chief with his own armed forces is not in a polemic, just to communicate, one thing, the commander-in-chief says, but i would like to hear from the supreme commander-in-chief, the commander-in-chief says that there may be a stalemate if there are no new weapons, the president says that

there is no stalemate, because ukraine is waiting for new weapons, don't give me nine 10 differences in these reactions, why do you always want to find differences in the positions of zelskyi and zaluzhnyi, in the position people talk about the fact that there is a confrontation, people live in their wonderful world, let them live in it, reality will always come to their house, i'm just a call away, hello , i'm reality, you're still alive very good, let's talk about what's going on with you. the main thing is that you do not die, this is such an eternal meeting with reality , and we are talking about real positions, here is what i read, what the president said to schuster, simon, what he says at the press conference. what zaluzhnyi says are identical positions, maybe there, of course, it can be considered that this is a confrontation, but i, zaluzhnyi has a list of weapons, this is not the task of the president, he is a civilian, he is, as you remember, but of the president's office did not like shuster's article, in the office there are some people working for the president who need to please the president because this is their dance, they do it, if they don't do this dance, they will

work not in the president's office, in someone else's city, they probably really like working in the president's office, because they see their own in this, to which the clerks react, ugh, reality matters, the real position of the president, the real position of the hard worker , they and i seem to be the same, i don’t see any particular differences, again, i don’t see any differences for another reason , if the president would say, no, we don't have a good situation, we are resolute, now we are advancing , he doesn't say that anymore, hey, he says that he needs ukraine to wait for new technology, he calls that technology, which is also a memory. in the nomenclature of those military-technical solutions that are in general zaludzhny's essay for the economist, again, the president's task is not to look for a military-technological solution, but to look for it politically, if the president says that he does not want any negotiations and concessions with russia, that is

also his position as a person who advocates the territorial integrity of the state, and what should he do as the president, say, oh, you know, we thought here, we will surely give them the crimea for what it is, if we are standing now, no, it will not be like that, any new situation will require new political and military-technological solutions, the first, the second, it is also absolutely obvious to me that i do not even know how to formulate it correctly, that once again the position of president zelski cannot be separated from the position of president putin, ugh, if president putin tells you that ukraine is zhytomyr, the head of the kyiv region, as you absolutely correctly quoted here, what can you talk about with him? he sits to himself, he has some historical delusions, he lives in them, and he feels great, listen , everything is fine with putin with his ideas about life, because putin also lives in the world of his own reality, and reality is also

a must will definitely call putin someday and tell him that there is such a problem, volodymyr volodymovich, that you cannot advance any further, that you have problems. economic or political, what else do you want, please tell me a quarter of ukraine has already been devastated, all the caucasians were killed at the front , all the buryats with tovintsians were killed, all the kalmyks were killed, you have a wonderful russian state, what more do you want , this is what you are, what you are fighting for, you understand that you are nothing anymore , you will reach, putin will first read there, beat his legs, hands. and then he will go to pekinin and say , let's think about how to get out of this situation, that can also happen, but never, there is certainly no such desire now, we still need to live until this xijiang summit pina and biden, let's see what they will talk about, well, that is, the situation may have major twists and turns, but we have to

determine with you, lesya, if we discuss all this , what we need, we need to preserve the people and we need to preserve the state , that's right, it's not even the task of the president. whether it is an office or a job, this is our task , we have to proceed from this, that we all want something, we need to preserve the state and we need to preserve the people on ukrainian land, there will be no people on ukrainian land, there will be no state, that means we also need to create the conditions, i.e. total mobilization, we need to create the conditions so that we always have the opportunity to solve the territorial issue, whether total mobilization corresponds to the idea of ​​preserving the people, this must be asked, well, now another question will arise and total mobilization in the conditions of the absence of the technical range that general zaluzhny is talking about, it makes sense, because in total, it will just be local assaults, as the russians do, but, but, but the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine speaks about the need to improve mobilization with the last point of those points

he gives. he says, yes, you need to take this, this, this, this, and people who can do it, it’s work, if you don’t have... the equipment, there aren’t even cars to put servicemen on them, and we hold meetings on the purchase of machines, what will total mobilization change , will it increase the number of people, well, again, is this the right approach in a war with russia, russia has unlimited mobilization potential, moreover, i repeat once again, russia is interested in this mobilization potential from the simple point of view that putin needs to solve not only the ukrainian issue, but also the tatar, bashkir, chechen, kolmyk, and dagestan issues. mordovian and so on. and he decides, by the way, i looked at these statistics on the occupational mortality in the republics of the russian federation, i am generally amused, i will tell you honestly. i cannot say that the bolsheviks did not do this, they did a lot, they evicted entire nations, but this is what

is happening now in the 21st century, it is typical for me the solution of the national question in russia, as they know how, they said, there is no people, there are no problems , they can enter with one shot of two, well, by the way, for them, they are all the same peoples, these peoples are conquered, just this big, he needs one tool, and you just have to throw them away, you know, when the buryats kill ukrainians, there is no better sight... for the colonel of the state security committee of the soviet union from the city of leningrad, and it must also be clearly understood that he does not care much there , well, if the polls of ukrainians change, they will change their moods, can we then talk about something, that there will be some other political decision or that volodymyr zelensky will say something else, again, the polls of ukrainians can change, this is a tango, the two are dancing,

ugh, if putin's mood does not change, putin's mood depends not so much on the interrogations of the russians, but on his own wishes, the ukrainians can wish for anything, by the way, he will want even more, you understand what it's like to compromise with putin, show him the finger, he will want you bite off his whole hand, this is, by the way, in the middle east, we have already seen many times , as soon as you start the negotiation process and start saying: oh, you know, we want to give you this, and this and this, they always say, and you can also this, this give everything, please, i can see that you are scared, give everything, and the negotiations do not end there, the same with the russians, i think that the question is not in the sociology of ukrainians, ukrainians can really change their opinion over time, the question is the most important in putin's sociology, not even russians, by the way, the sociology of russians it's also quite interesting, you see, in principle they are not against peace, but also the preservation of the zagarbene, but as soon as you tell them, and

the zagerbene will have to be given, and it is not about the crimea, but about everything, immediately the number of those who believe that it is necessary to stop the war is decreasing, this is the instinct of a nation that has always conquered foreign territories , a real imperial instinct, that in principle we are not about peace, huh, but we are what we already have in our mouth, we will not give it back, you see, that 's how you can chase away a python, but if he already has a rabbit in there, he won't give you rabbit, to what extent putin listens to these polls of the russians, i think he manipulates them, uh, i think that such polls, if there are any, somehow give us an idea of ​​what moscow can do in principle , if she has a desire to talk about something at all, because then

she can rely on it, if such a desire arises, i do not see this desire, according to popular opinion, well , people, you wanted crimea and donbas, we have it, everything is fine , the russian people do not suffer anymore, no, but we cannot give people away, to the nazis, they will destroy everyone there, it is horror, just horror and all, and all russians do not want this. so, in this regard, this is any sociological survey in the russian federation, it is such a signal, well, it is also an absolute reality, if you agree with putin that people who are pro-ukrainian should be able to leave the territory controlled by ukraine, oops , you start talking again about the fact that we should give some territories to putin, he will talk to you about it, and i don't see any from putin wanting to talk, in that case, when it appears on him. this is a wish, but he says, i won’t give it up and that’s all, we have to somehow save our people, putin

won’t give it up, but we are ready to talk about the fact that we will not return our territories by force, let’s say yes? you don't think that we can recognize the occupation of the territories in any case, so what do we have to agree on with putin, if we have a truce, it's a truce, then the borders are opened during the truce, what does that mean , that's for sure. that everyone allows everyone to leave, russians, to those who live in the occupied territories, and ukrainians, we also have open borders , our people can take some territories and go to russia, but it seems to me that the majority of people have long since wanted to leave , those left, well, maybe someone doesn’t bring up, there are different circumstances, but again, i don’t know how timely it is to talk about it, i repeat, we don’t even have a price right now, that we can agree on something with the russian federation, and by the way, if it really happens. real pad, that's not what, about the possibility of a fall, we say, but a real fall, then all this can be stopped without negotiations

, well, that happened too, well, what, the troops are standing, there is no negotiation, well, they are standing, not moving, it’s just such an actual line of contact that we we hold and they hold, it can be like that for a certain time, well, it can be anything, there is another sociology, it is a sociology that is carried out in western countries, for example, already there in america, already a larger number of people believe that america is too supports ukraine too much, and this is what putin hoped for, he always wanted to push through this war until the moment when people begin to believe that this is all a passive situation and there is nothing to do. who to support, but it is of great importance how the political elites think once, there is, how far there are technical possibilities for this support, there are shells, weapons, all the things that are mentioned in the article, two and three, even if we imagined that people they say, no , we should not support ukraine like that, ukraine should agree with russia on peace, and russia does not agree on what we should do, not only for ukraine, but for the west, here is president zelensky

says: "well, in principle , we can talk about stopping the war, and putin is talking about what kind of stop . on the part of russia, there were no realistic conditions for the end of the war. everything that russia gave as a condition for the end of the war actually looked like an absolute, a provocation with the aim of forcing ukraine to say that it would continue to fight. the terms of the end of the war do not look like that at all. the conditions of the end of the war war, especially when we talk there about the situation when the troops stand on the demarcation line, they involve compromises , especially if we were not talking about victory, but where you see even a hint of compromise from the russian side, for russia, negotiations with ukraine, this is the capitulation of ukraine, we are moving to the first option, to the option of defeat, and i do not think that this option should be considered, because you and i already said at the beginning of this conversation that russia may want the defeat of ukraine, but there are no

military-technological possibilities , on today and tomorrow to ensure this desire, so what's the point, in any case we need to expect a situation when, everything will look completely different, and for this we need to wait for what will happen in the future and let's see how they will react to this text of the industrious in the united states, how i will solve my problems, president biden with the congress, the congress will vote, we are in a situation that is obviously developing, we are almost not discussing it, and the news is going , you see, mr. vitaly, thank you for the conversation, thank you to our viewers, the saturday political club was, stay with espresso, lesya

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