to the north of the so-called litany river, it is about 20 km from our border, thereby providing a kind of buffer zone, which today does not exist there at all. in general, do you think that something is threatening from the point of view of the expansion of the fronts, because everyone expected that there could be such a probability of a second front, in the north, but after the speech of the leader of the khsbly, hasan, they screwed up. we saw that he especially has such enthusiasm for harnessing. there is no big war on the side of hamasan? well, you know, i wouldn't underestimate hasan the fucker, by the way, he is not only a political leader hizbály, he is also a sayyid, a sayyid, the so-called descendant of the prophet muhammad through his daughter, through his grandsons, and he also has a certain religious status, and his statement, his speech, and they have exactly that character. yes, that

it is called religious rules for the shiites, he is a very cunning man, the other day he quoted the chinese general sundza, i quoted exactly the phrase that it is necessary to act in such a way as to lead the enemy into stupor, into delusion, so that he never knows what exactly , what exactly are your goals and how exactly will you act, here i am not sure at all that the northern border will remain... in such a relatively frozen state, although we can talk about what a frozen state, if literally half an hour ago in our northern city of kiryat shmuna, five to seven rockets fell , there is no final figure yet, thank god, no, there are no victims, but the same city was evacuated, that is why there is no, almost the entire city was evacuated there, but still several thousand people remained there, there are, they even live there a few of our mine.

everyone has very different personal circumstances, due to which they cannot leave, eh, i, absolutely, it means , no, no, i don’t believe, shit, in this case, i assume that in the next few days he will act with the hands of his proxies , that is, hezbollah is a proxy of iran, but at the same time , hezbollah itself has its own proxies, its own contractors, the so-called alyaks brigades. hussein, there are very many such small terrorist organizations, which have missiles, eh, which are supplied to them by iran, the last one in recent days, there is a lot of information about the fact that there are planes that land at the russian base in khmeimeim, and it is possible that there is also a transfer of weapons there, but there is also good news, relatively good news, there is information

that eh, the anti-syrian groups that are fighting in syria, they attacked the militia and assad's army, they do it under the same slogan of the freedom of gaza, but at the same time they attack hizbullah, iran, bashar assad, here in israel, let's say, eh, there are people , who believe that this is not happening without our participation, but to your question: how high is the probability that the hollows are still stronger than now, i still believe that this probability is very high, it seems to me that we are now at the beginning at the stage of what is happening, and this is mainly due to the fact that we have at least 241 people as hostages, and israel, you know, is democratic in the sense of the state, that here is this feedback, yes, between the government and there is very important, that is

politicians think about whether they will vote for it them in the next elections, and not to take into account this incredible, incredible pain of the families who are now demonstrating, literally every evening, they built such a small tent city in tel aviv, and israeli politicians cannot not take this into account, but tell me, please , mr. mykhailo, what do you think about today's meeting between secretary of state antony blinken and the head of the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas. to what extent, in principle, can we talk about any at least conditionally non-constructive future? you know, this question is very important complicated, i doubt that blinkin himself has an answer to it , blinkin, you know, he is a master of ceremonies, he deals with topics that can reduce the intensity of passions now, i don’t think that he has an answer now... he

can really speak or convince to lead someone, us or the palestinians , to return to the peace process, yes the so-called, but at the same time, it is necessary all the time, yes, the americans know how to do it, when the american president comes out, next to him the secretary of state, the vice president, flags behind , everything is very solemn, and this solemnity itself moments, and even photo sessions, they believe that the americans are able to calm the situation a little, i believed from the very beginning that the deeper israeli tanks will enter the gaza strip and the more israeli soldiers will fight there, the more often we will hear the phrase peace process , today neither the americans nor, unfortunately, the israelis, let alone the europeans , have any alternative to the so -called, so-called formula of two states for two peoples, no, this, this is naive, here in israel there is a conditional one, you know, very

the conservative right wing in israeli politics, who believe that the current events have finally buried the idea of ​​two states for two peoples, there are many ministers who think so... on the contrary, now the unprecedented carte blanche that was given to israel will have to be paid for, so here i think, damn, this is his shuttle diplomacy, and he is already, in my opinion, the fifth day here in our region, the fourth, she is connected precisely with the fact that some kind of arab, pan-arab coalition will be put together, which will be ready to actively solve the problems of the inhabitants of the gas sector in exchange for the fact that israel, at this stage, at least verbally expresses its commitment, i repeat, to the creation of a future palestinian state, это это сейчас may sound incredibly inappropriate,

he is speaking сейчай about the peace process and the palestinian state, but this is exactly how it seems to me that events will develop. but on the other hand, explain to me, please, how it is possible to create a state, even to talk about as a reality, when one of the topics of the talks between the secretary general and the palestinian authority was that, by and large, it is necessary to stop not only violence from palestinian radical organizations, but also violence from settlers, israeli settlers in the territory of the west bank of the jordan river, and these settlers, as you know, are the voters of many ministers from benjamin netanyahu's government, and netanyahu himself, let's be honest, look, i am not a supporter of benjamin netanyahu, sorry, settlers, i believe that the steps that have been taken over the past 15 years were, happened on on on in reality, yes, for example, the construction of the so

-called, so-called territory of sy, yes, this is which, according to the oslo agreements, was once supposed to be given to the palestinians, a lot of jewish settlements were built there, this ... very complicated the future decision, and the geographical decision , how to separate the jews from the palestinians, i can only refer to the map, to the cartographers, to several generals, and with whom i am communicating, so far purely physically, to draw the border, to build a border between israel and theoretical future palestine is still possible, every year it becomes more and more difficult to do, because it will mean the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of israelis from here, you are settled in your territory, and you can imagine that there will be an israeli politician who has the strength to do so, will, authority, that in principle he will allow himself to do this, i do not know, he must

be, must be a very brave man, but the alternative, yes, the so-called one state for all, it will also be very bloody. because they will expect what is coming for years, palestinians will love an israeli, israelis, palestinian jews don’t either, it’s necessary, in general , i had the opportunity to work with the former president of israel peres for 2 years, and he said with a great deal of truth that the best solution was invented by him in 1987 with king hussein. he then agreed within the framework of the so-called of the london agreement, that all the territories that are now considered palestinian, they would simply be annexed to jordan and we would simply have two states, this jordanian state, in which palestinians make up about 70% and a jewish state in which jews would make up

about 70%. this agreement was buried by none other than yitzhak shamir, the head of lekud, you know, such a spiritual mentor. i would say benjamin netanyahu, it was shamir who brought him into greater politics, but it's easy to talk about history now, it's much more difficult to think, how, how, how can we solve this terrible bloody situation that is happening in our country, look, i'm all- i will express a cautious, cautious forecast that at this stage, nothing but this formula, two states for two peoples, is simply not considered , there are no such other alternatives, i, on the other hand, must note with regret that israel generally has medium-term planning capabilities, not to mention long-term planning, they

very weak, and it seems to me that this is why the americans here are so actively involved in the process, yes, in general, in everything that is happening, because they doubt whether israel has any specific goal to which we are going, yes , this is how we present self-victory, as we imagine ourselves, what will happen after there is no hamas in the gaza strip. and will there not be a power vacuum in which we, some other terrorist organization, can get divorced, these are all such cursed questions, the answers to which, unfortunately, are not yet available. thank you, mr. mykhailo, by the way, just before we finished the conversation, a message appeared that the residents who remained in kryachmon should close themselves in their houses, so let's see what the development of events that is happening there will be take place in the near future hours, thank you, thank you. mykhailo polivert , an israeli political scientist, was in touch with us, now we will take a break for literally 5 minutes,

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the verdict with serhiy rudenko program, from monday to friday, at 20:00, we continue our program and talk now with oleksiy garan, professor of political science in kyiv of the myhirian academy, scientific director of the democratic initiatives fund named after kucherev, congratulations, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, and here we go. let's continue this near east topic if you don't mind which we talked about with our previous colleague mr polivertom, because in principle there is another such plot, the unfolding of events in the middle east, we were talking about the secretary of state blinken, but it seems that the president of ukraine is supposed to go there next week, whether he will go or not, we still do not understand, so that there was a message that yes, then they said that the president was worried about the leak of information about his visits, so he would not go , and we are now in such a situation where we do not know whether he will go and whether the information will really be made public about the reason why he did not drove,

well, let's analyze in general the ukrainian reaction to what was happening, i think the first reaction... yes, when these terrible crimes of hamas took place, the first reaction of the president, we also saw the public, the public in ukraine, they were absolutely right, sympathies were on the side of israel. then we saw that hamas actually provoked israel's response, they started bombing the gaza strip, and all these photos of palestinian children went around the world, as a result. as the experts already said in your program, that from the point of view of propaganda, hamas won, and israel started lose. how did ukrainian diplomacy react? ukrainian diplomacy made , in my opinion, very balanced statements. yes, the condemnation of terrorism, point one, further, what should continue, what should, should prevent

the side of the humanitarian catastrophe , the middle east process and principle should continue, states, that is, i think it was a very balanced position, and we were ready to support, ukraine was ready to support the resolution in the un general assembly on the humanitarian problems in gaza, with canada's amendment, and canada proposed, in fact, offered to condemn hamas as well and demand the release of the hostages, that is, our position was sufficiently principled, canada's amendment... passed, so we abstained. after that, this information appears that zelensky is going to go to israel, again, we don't really know, yes, it is true or not, it is true or not, and so this discussion began with us, and, well, since i , for me, tuning fork is your program and these experts, which

is happening, we saw that even the opinion among respected experts, it diverged, that is... valery chala, whom i respect very much, i listen to his opinion, he said, yes, it is correct, it is necessary to show support for israel, there is nothing here, there is no room for any equivocation, yes, then there was, there was, ihor semivolos, who said that it is risky, because it will have a huge impact regarding our relations with the countries of the global south, you know, i appeared here today , this information appeared that zelensky is not going, again, we do not know, yes, it seems like an excuse that information leaked, and so on , and so on, look, what is my opinion, i am not an expert, let's say in middle eastern the conflict directly, yes, but i am currently working on our relations with the global south, and in just three days i have to leave

again for south africa and from there to latin america, and i can imagine how difficult it will be for us. in this situation, because in all our previous trips, when we said that ukraine needed, well, the interests of ukraine were lobbied, we were always told, why is this the west supports ukraine, but forgets about palestine and other conflicts, and now well, it is absolutely clear that this has become the number one topic for these countries, and here is our connection, that we're in the same package with israel, what the president has done... he's done obviously the right thing in terms of relations in terms of american politics and generally domestic american politics and foreign policy as well, but on a global scale that we're in the same basket with israel we find ourselves, it works against us, such an unfortunately contradictory, such

an unfortunately contradictory international relationship, so thinking about a potential, say, zelski, if that were the case, i do n't think we would actually gain much, gain from yes because, well, look, it would be such a symbolic support, ukraine would hardly get anything from it, let's say realistically , except for additional points among a part of the american political community, well, in israel , we have it, i think that what israeli public opinion has high enough evaluations of ukraine, and for israel there are benefits from the trip. and zelenskyi, well, it also seems to me that they are not very, not very big, yes, that is, when macron comes there, when scholz, and so on, that is, it is about some specific things that are discussed,

and which will strengthen israel's security, or which are aimed at establishing some kind of dialogue there , collusively speaking, with the moderate wing of the palestinians, blinkin's visit, zelsky's visit will not give that, instead. instead, the harm to us, to our lobbying efforts on the global stage, would be colossal, again, well, i heard your debates, your questions that you asked ihor simivolos, that for the most part we do not receive any military aid from these countries, no joining the sanctions, but these countries are playing, some of these countries are playing an important role in humanitarian negotiations, behind the scenes, including...' including the release of, say, ukrainian prisoners or the return of ukrainian children, as qatar did, and saudi arabia, and turkey, by the way, too,

besides, these are just votes in the un, these are just votes in the un, you understand, you understand that now it will be more difficult for us to collect votes for pro-ukrainian resolutions, resolutions that are demanded from the territories. even with such optional formulations as simply supporting the territorial real if we do not receive military aid from the united states, well, to which president biden is probably gravitating, when he makes all these movements that give us these votes in the un, well , the united nations has passed a resolution, well now it has passed this absolutely wild resolution, which actually forbids israel to defend its borders, israel did not spit on this resolution and moved on, russia spits on all un resolutions and moves on , the countries of the global south support us, they do not support us, you just know, it is for the satisfaction of ordinary people, to talk about the fact that the whole world supports us , at this time russia is absent

military aid, just occupy another ukrainian region, and then tell the ukrainian citizens who will be killed there that sorry, we didn't really need american military aid, we needed the votes of saudi arabia or egypt in the un, well, i i don't mind, you can treat life like that, no, no, that's a good argument you have and you're right, absolutely right, but i'm not saying that we have, we don't have, we shouldn't receive american aid, right? we have to fight for this help by all possible means, why am i saying this, mr. oleksandr, i am mr. oleksiyu, why am i saying this, because. it is obvious that zelenskyi's visit will give at least some chance to really inscribe in the eyes of the american people, not even congressmen, but citizens in this single line

, well listen, we have already done, zelenskyi's statement once again, it was very strong from the very beginning, so we already did that, and these israeli flags that we had in the place, and this advertisement that is still there, well, not as much as i guess the first days, but still it is there, where are the israeli flags on, what is it called , on now it's not billboards, it's more modern technology, no, it's even more modern , it's called something, oh well, god bless him, so once again yours, this argument you have is a serious argument, but again, you see, what's important to us, it's important to us that our, our war, it's just...' not perceived as a conflict, the west, the non-western world, because that's exactly what putin is trying to impose, well, there is a conflict , the western

western world, it is so, this is what nenets pelosi says in principle, war, democracy and dictatorship, the west and non-western world, if some countries of the global cock want to take part in this war on our side or on the side of the west, okay, they don't want to, then they will be on the side of dictatorships, it's their choice, it's their choice, but it's complicated. but it certainly complicates, complicates life for us and for our international partners as well, you see, that's why everything in the world is interconnected, and when, when we face this, the reaction that we see on the global stage, and it was, after all, for us, it used to be more positive, yes, because at least they supported our territorial... integrity and it gave us arguments, yes, that the whole world is against, the whole world is against russia, well , it seems to me that diplomacy is

also about symbols, so... that's why, that's why it's important, and again, when we we say, once again, these same countries pass through various, so to speak, smuggling routes for the delivery of these chips to russia, and so on, and despite the un resolution, yes, this is true, there is india with its position, well, china, it is clear that china also has its own game and so on, so, that's why, once again, you know, your point of view... it, it's for important to us, but your arguments, they are serious, serious, but at the same time, well, it seems to me that this visit, it would simply not give us what we hope for, but again, we are now, we are now discussing, we are now discussing hypothetical things, and so i once again, i think once again, that our position is official.

which was formulated by the ministry of foreign affairs, that it still remained underestimated and not properly communicated to the leaders, or at least to the public, muslim countries and others countries of the global south, by the way, the term global south is not liked by itself , let's say in latin america it is not liked very much, because they believe that it is not necessary to unite everyone under one dome, a non-iron dome, please tell me mr. oleksiy, you were one of the commentators of this article that appeared in the columns of the new york times, this is an important article that is devoted to the conflict, as new york times journalists believe, between the president and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, and you were by a commentator who said that mr.

zelensky's assistants. we know that there was criticism from igor zhovka, one of the deputy heads of the president's office, that mr. zelsky's aides may be concerned that general zaluzhnyi's conclusions may prevent some allies from continuing to maintain the appropriate level of military aid, but that's fine, thank you, mr. vitaly , well, what you said, i will tell the readers how to refer to the source and to the comments in such and such ... including such influential publications as the new york times, so, look, they called me and said, that’s it, listen, well, there is a split in the ukrainian leadership, comment, and i decided, by the way, by the way, i will now say one thesis that, in my opinion, was not heard in these comments, in all comments around, zaludzhny's publication, for example, it's hard for me to imagine that zaludzhny's publication

was published completely offline and that they decided to do it without notifying the president or anyone in his office, it's hard for me to imagine that, no i know, maybe it really was, but considering if the importance of this article and so on, it seems to me that it should have been agreed with someone somewhere, if only the very fact of the appearance of such and such a publication, now they asked me, is there a split? there is a split in your opinion, well, i try of course, or not, i try of course, if it were, to smooth out, yes, these are these, well, i would say certain contradictions that appeared, yes, between the position of zaluzhny and then the comments that zelensky himself, and ihor zhovkva, and so on, and i then expressed such a thesis, i said that, in principle, here i am

, by the way, i can completely agree with you... agree, because when you commented, you said that in these articles, excuse me and shuster and zaluzhny, there is nothing new in principle, so that we, we already knew about it, yes, it’s just that it was formed, let’s say, according to luzhny, it was formed in a more detailed form, in the form of such a plan, but in principle, we were well aware of these problems, and everyone who follows the situation at the front, they are well aware of this, so i said that. .. we are simply here, the problem is simply in the discussion around communication, as zaluzhny formulated pragmatically, formulated a pragmatic plan, how it should be done, how it should be moved on, and ihor zhovko and others, they simply said how, as diplomats, and ihor zhovko, a career diplomat, whom i also treat with respect.