[000:00:00;00] do you want more, and the association of cities and all communities asked us with such an appeal that if you see, and you see, dishonest mayors, by the way, well, it is ugly to organize these rallies, bribing such activists, to dance near the city councils and say things about asphalt , about burkivka, if you are actually the government, make the rules of the security and defense budget for the local government. anticipate exceptional expenses that must be spent from funds, from local budgets in order to ensure the goals you set before yourself, and then we we will see the unification of the country once again, our responsibility is shared, we all have to work for victory, this is clear, as far as our amendments are concerned, i do not understand why the budget committee did not pay attention to

the fact that i will not just count...' funds from the special road fund into the general fund of the state budget, after all, let it be used for a special program for the crediting program for the restoration of the defense complex, which my colleagues have already talked about, well , this is a civilized, civilized transparent tool, you do not read this paragraph at all, you are all applauding, and next to me there are factions that say, yes, the road fund will be included... in the general fund of the state budget? yes, no, that's not the way to do it, listen, please, when we unite around one goal, of course, regarding the regulation of the spending of free remaining funds. well, look, you want to put things in order, and at least manage to write down the rules where the funds should be spent, again a few blurred things that will be

slipped under, i can already see your colleagues from the servants people are preparing draft laws in order to spend from the remaining free funds on some things that are definitely out of time and impossible, this is again about cars, about the transportation of cars without paying customs duties, how many times will you step on the same rake, this will it ever end or not, it seems to me that when we talk about the proportion, and how the funds should be spent, you, i am now drawing attention to the head of the budget committee, in the budget for the 24th year you wrote a new enrollment formula pdf to a special fund, leaving in the state, in the general fund of the state budget, the part that used to go there, in these amendments at 10:037 a completely

different mechanism, if you now accept 10:03. everyone, how will the use of the military pddfu correspond to the budget for 2024? yes, well, of course, he absolutely, i now do not understand why you brought this draft law 1037 today, make a small draft law, if you still insist on taking the pdf from the local budgets for the month of december, and then you go to hall, just a shadow on you are making a mess, but now you are simply exhausting my strength and our strength, because already in the budget for the 24th year a different formula is laid out and everything is detailed, and as for the budget for this year, changes to it, it is definitely not possible to make any more in the way you suggested, it should be another way, and if you singled it out and made it and quickly brought it to the hall, then maybe everyone would support it, so it looks absolutely absurd now, i

just don't want to even go along.. .' edits, because there is no logic in what you are doing now from a technical point of view, not really to provide additional money for the financing of our security and defense sector. it is unfortunate to see that no one is reacting to this, well, in fact, the ministry of finance should have reacted in the first place, i want to ask you one more thing after my speech, please explain the remaining budgets for the first tenth of this year , which have already been discussed here a thousand times, more than 200 billion, you will withdraw them in some way from the general fund of the state budget or not, whether they will be used as free balances of funds at the end of the year according to the spending regulations that you have planned, i want you from the podium to confirm or dispel the myth that you will withdraw by force

out of law. way, and maybe in a legal way, maybe you are developing some resolution, but give an answer, will the funds remain until the end of the year, at least those that were on october 1, 2023. thank you. for your attention and i ask you to treat these, this project more seriously than we even imagined, because everything has already been significant changes due to the consideration of other draft laws and opens a new window for embezzlement of funds, please pay attention to this, thank you, nina petrivna, thank you for yours, i simply do not have a list of these amendments, i don’t need to just be told that it is 17 and she is asking for 10 minutes , that's why i can't even, well, thank you, thank you, petrivna, and the answer, please, dear colleague, dear colleague, i want to clearly point out to you that we do everything only in a legal way, according to current legislation,

no one uses any population methods nobody will have anything withdraw, now we are following the law, i hope that the verkhovna rada will support this law and none of the politicians will be manipulated by the fact that we are taking something from someone, we are simply redirecting taxes to the country's defense capability, that is the only goal, we are looking for a resource and we hope that we will all find it together, thank you, thank you, dear colleagues, 126 honcharenko, oleksiy, please , i have a request, amendments 126, 141, 176 and 177, four amendments, give me three minutes, i will speak, please thank you dear friends we are considering an extremely important issue. but i still want to start today as the day of the railway worker, i want to congratulate all the railway workers of ukraine and thank them for the colossal work they do to keep the country going, today the railway is like the backbone of ukraine,

on which everything is supported, and this is transportation , it's people, it's weapons, that's all, and therefore a huge thank you, and of course the best thank you would be if today, on the day of the railway worker, we would take at least some kind of decision to support the social welfare of railway workers. because today the level of wages in ukrzaliznytsia, well, it's just terrible, well, just terrible , because today a conductor can receive 4 and 5,000 uah , a driver, an extremely difficult, extremely responsible job, 10, 8, 10, 11,000 uah, well, this is absolutely unacceptable , and those workers, they deserve something completely different, but today we are considering another bill , namely, we are considering a bill on how the authorities want to take money from local communities and take it to the central budget to distribute in kyiv, to distribute in center, as if of course overlapping with the military, well, if the central government really cared about the military, then there would certainly not be a story like with the 30, which

was promised until the end of the war, then it was taken away, then we in this session hall adopted a law on april 10 to return the 30 to all military, policemen , rescuers, but this law is so s... on april 10 , such a new know-how was blocked by a resolution and has been lying for eight months as it has been sitting as the speaker of the president, not signed , not entered into force. if we really wanted to support the military, we certainly would would consider the bill on demobilization, after 18 months of service, which i introduced back in march, and since then it has been lying in the verkhovna rada, even the committee on national security does not find the strength to consider it. well, it simply does not consider everything, by the way, where are the deputies now and where, including this committee and representatives, i do not know , there are about 40 deputies in the hall, it is our first working day in november, if the authorities really wanted to help the military, then

there would certainly not be eggs for 17 hryvnias, apples for 50 hryvnias, other inconsistencies, we have already seen the conclusions of the chamber of accounts, about the fact that yes, there were inflated prices in the ministry of defense, so for this it is necessary to take something of 17 hryvnias each, and not leave it as it is, and we are now considering a law that we are told is supposed to be for the military, for weapons , let's take the funds to the central budget, how they will be spent, we know , again it will all be eggs 17, everything else, that's why we can't do this, we need to oblige local councils to make decisions in favor of the military, not to take funds from them , and for them to spend these funds on the military, that's it the right approach. please, next 127 razumkov amendment, please, oleksiiovych, 127, 134, give 5 minutes, please,

please, 5 minutes, thank you, well, first of all, i am very glad that the representative of the committee recognized that political motivation prevails healthy nonsense, because the amendments you made to my previous question are much further than the amendments of a reasonable policy, that is, you accept the amendments of the government, but you do not accept the reasonable amendments, this is very bad, but at least honestly, eh , if we, if we talk to you about pdf and about the principles according to which it functions, it can function, if god forbid, this law will be adopted, please tell me , well, there your representatives tell that this has fallen on the heads of the local authorities thanks to your flawless professional work in quotation marks, and how do you take the policemen from pdf, out of what fear, they had it before the war, they have it now, these are the people who live there, the people who work there,

unlike many representatives of the authorities, they did not flee on the 24th, stayed together with the local by the authorities in place, and often organized the defense of these cities, now their pdf should remain there, from which, if it was so milder, from what logic, you put it in the bill, why did you decide that you can... take all the money local government, because you want to, to my last question, i asked you, the question, why did you decide at all that it is not possible to increase, but credit volumes, credit limits for local government, you had a very interesting answer that and we are afraid that they will not be able to pay it, that is, you, as a representative of the committee, how

profile committee, as a representative of monobolsho, you are bracing that you will be able to ensure the budget deficit of 50% , which you are laying down, which you are preparing at the level of the budget of the 24th year, that is, it will be your personal responsibility, as a people's deputy, as a representative of the government, as a representative of the president's party, and you guarantee such income by constantly increasing loans, this is me already... i learn that last year you took these loans at two, 3% each, this year you will take eight at a time, in the next it is not at all clear, how much do you will roll out, and this is done not because the war there has ended, or you have no way out, but because our international partners see, including in articles in the tymes, that the representatives of the authorities are earning as if on the last day, i am quoting international journalists, i did not invent this myself. so that you don't tell me here that we are playing politics, these are our international

partners, and this is an application not only by shuster, not only by that journalist whom the president awarded, gave him an order, but this is an international position that reaches you until what funds are being spent incompetently, that you could not use the state budget that was formed, that you tried to take money... from the military, that you blocked and continue to not let in, by the way, i do not see something about the representatives of the voice that blocked this bill , that this is a ball, for example, i do not see in the hall who said that it is bad for the budget, i do not see them in the hall, although it is a budget law, there are fundamental amendments, i do not see those people's deputies who are there for a few minutes that's why they said that they came

to listen to constructive amendments, now they are there will be further, constructive ones, the amendment on police officers, it was constructive, you do not take it into account, the amendment on the fact that the law of retroactive force cannot be launched from october 1, you do not take it into account, the amendment on giving the opportunity to attract, that is not your money, it will involve the local authorities, you are playing politics with them, you do not want them to overwinter, although you have not prepared for the winter, absolutely, as a representative of the authorities, i understand that this is not your profile committee, but you no... that's it, full responsibility, you are a representative of the authorities, from you have another position, unfortunately, we do not hear, and if there is one, you can tell about it, but i am not sure that you will remain a representative of the authorities for a long time, and that the same thing will not happen to you, as happened, for example, to the commander , of the special operations forces , who was simply dismissed and even forgot to inform him about it, this is the approach of the authorities, here... we don't give money, here we simply expel a person,

without even saying a word to him, everyone must be respected. let's move on, dmytro oleksandrovich, the only thing is, i am also in favor of constructive consideration of the amendments, well, i would ask for what i asked for and the previous time, well, it is difficult to call the amendments constructive, where it is proposed to replace the words of this meaning with the russianism of the following meaning, well, there are no such words of the following meaning in the ukrainian language, let’s still use the amendments that are there, we will implement them and we are ready, i i think that there will be more room, so i would ask, if possible, to the constructors. let's move on, the next one to vote. come on, come on, look, dear colleagues, the 127th amendment, authored by razumkov, was rejected by the committee, it sounds like a provision to exclude, i put it, i just i remind you what it is about, because it is very difficult to understand the purpose of all the questions you raised, to change the content of this amendment

to the following content, it is very difficult to understand, and i would like to understand what this amendment is about, i say again, it is very difficult so in this format we can understand what we are voting for, that's why i put razumkov's amendment 127, it was rejected by the committee, i ask you to vote for 20, the decision was not made by factions, please show, you see, well, the majority of people supported your amendment, you see , and you say that you are being oppressed somehow, that's why it's somehow unfair, go on, let's go on, we'll put on the next one, do we go on, dmytro oleksanovych, thank you, let's go on

, then, the next amendment we have is 135, krulko does not insist, 136 the railway does not insist. 137, yatsenko, does not insist, 138, chornoporov with colleagues, does not insist, 139 lyonov, does not insist, 142 aryev, will you please, aryev, i would like to ask, i have eight amendments now, give me 5 minutes, we are talking about amendments 142, 178, 308, 543, 544, 618, 700. 749 is correct, 5 minutes instead and you remove your amendments, please, sir, where i am the main autonomous, you are the main author, yes, please, you can, yes, yes, please, first, yes, please, dear colleagues, in fact, what we are currently discussing, this is another extreme, from

what was called cobblestone, asphalt and so on, so really, during the war, you cannot spend money on... on asphalt on cobblestone where it is not explained, although even hrushevskyi street, on which we are sitting, was also recently translated, and no one from the cabinet of ministers or the supreme council protested much, well, but the time has come, okay, the changes are starting now, however, if we are talking about the fact that we need to change something, now is the mile for me. in order for you to eliminate the problem, we eliminate absolutely the entire house together with cockroaches, and you can remove cockroaches, cockroaches are removed very easily, so that there are no overspends for unclear purposes, for

this, a clear list of those directions is determined can be spent... military pdf during martial law. if it is a question of bomb shelters in schools, or bomb shelters for public places use, this is a matter of defense. if it is a question of supply, purchase of electricity for the critical infrastructure of cities, then it is a question of defense. if this is a purchase. energy carriers for the city to function, or not the urgent repair of city communications, which are also critical infrastructure, then these are urgent needs, but there are cities in which there is 600% overperformance, and there are

cities in which the pdp is more than 30 percent or more from the general, general, general budget, the city, we actually cut down absolutely everything that will happen then, in many cities will have a shortage of funds, it is proposed that the government compensate for these things through interbudgetary transfers, but as then this mechanism itself is absolutely not, not defined, it will be as always, when the mayor will have to come and say: about what he needs now he needs money to compensate for something, because he didn't have enough. if we do so, we kill the reform, decentralization. which is one of the main ones on the way to the european union, today the president of the european commission, ursula

funderleiden, spoke about the need for these reforms, explain this purely by the necessity of defense, other funds can be found for defense , let's restore the rent for gas, in the same, in the same amount, as it was before, and for some reason it is 40 billion hryvnias less. in the budget for the next year, and what a miracle, let's give less for the marathon, let's give everything that is in the road fund, let's throw it now at the issue of defense, but what is happening today, the state, the state structure, in fact , provides for the armed forces of ukraine very badly, within six months, the corresponding order is completed military units through the ministry of defense.

absolutely for all things, they cannot buy elementary tires, there are no night vision devices, and our defenders go on night raids without them, it is very dangerous for their lives, but the city and local authorities can literally in two weeks, a maximum of 20 days through the procurement system, to purchase everything necessary for the armed forces already and now, then let's not liquidate absolutely everything and not rush from one extreme, where there were cobblestones and asphalt in order to take away absolutely all, all money from local budgets, well, let's find something mediocre, but unfortunately, judging by what the hall is like now, my voice is the voice of a howler in the desert, but so that ukraine does not become this howler, thank you, let's go next, one hundred and 43rd amendment, artur volodymyrovych gerasimov, artur volodymyrov, you have a large number

of amendments, who? arev, arev has already withdrawn his amendments, artur volodymyrovych, he has withdrawn his amendments, artur volodymyrovych, you are also withdrawing your amendments, artur volodymyrovych, you have 143 very important amendments, but we they said that maybe you could replace it with an hour of speech, dear, how would it be. we will think now, we are discussing here in the faction, but dear colleagues, i really support what nina petrivna yuzhanina said, i sincerely hope that those of you who are now present in this plenary hall, you are not many, but some of you are very influential people, i see the representative of the president, mr. zelsky in the parliament, i see the heads of the committees, i see now the leadership of the servant of the people faction, that's how i will be. speak on each amendment, partially i will combine, but i will give numbers, i will give opinions

, i will give reasons why this law in its current form is absolutely impossible to vote for, we will talk about corruption, we will talk about thieves stealing public money and about local self-government, thank you. thank you, artor volodymyrovych, this is very important, because it is a deep and fruitful discussion. which should result in an even better law. thank you artur volodymy, it was the 143rd amendment. 144 krulko does not insist, 145- mamka does not insist, 146 - proshchuk does not insist, 147 - flu does not insist, 148 mazurasha has already spoken, 149 savchuk does not insist, 150 purtova, does not insist, 151- mykysha, please insist, dmytro, please dmytrogivych, ruslan oleksiyovych, please, 151 , 152, 165-2 please, two minutes for three corrections, please, ruslanovych, i will explain what dmytro

oleksandriovychkovy said about, in general, what a reasonable policy says, we are talking about precisely in these corrections, which are technical, yes there are technical things, but they explain in general that what is happening with this bill, what are we removing, what are we changing to improve at least what you are proposing, and improve... we are the following: this bill in general takes away military pdfs and those military personnel who are currently in the territory of the relevant community, and those police and emergency services representatives who were there before the full-scale invasion, funds are also taken, moreover, the balances that remain from other activities of local government, where they save, it is for in order to save a penny and use it effectively for another direction, for another activity, it is later, it cannot be

used in the middle of the year, it remains at the end of the year. then falls on free balances and then the community can use them, but you say that no, you have to use, and for what, you have to be used to pay off debts, and this is precisely in bill 1037, and now i will explain to you what debts in state budget for 2024, and the balance will be for the following year, the ministry of finance inserted the debt for all local self-government 10 hryvnias, these are the false funds that were formed by attention, the yanukovych government, moreover, it falls on the shoulders of not only local self-government, which the government calculated incorrectly, they even put the debt of local, district state administrations, you will hear this absurdity, and now you you say that these leftovers should be used to pay off this nonsense,

that's about, thank you, dear speaker, well, it's not the essence of the amendment. no, you have an amendment to replace the words such changes with the following changes, fine, but nevertheless, i'm just asking closer to the amendments, thank you dmitry, good, next, 153, vasylchenko, does not insist with his colleagues, 154th aleksiychuk and his colleagues do not insist, 155, tymoshenko and his colleagues have already used, used their right, 156- kiselevskyi does not insist, 152. oleksiichuk and his colleagues do not insist, 159 the same authors do not insist, 160 sapsha povalov does not insist, 161 bondr does not insist, 162 alekseev does not insist, 164 yuzhanina has already used it, 166 tistik does not insist, 167 mazurashi has already spoken, 168, 165 has already been

used, mykysha and colleagues, 168 yours, friends, i everything is clear, yes, please, demchenko, 168, please, i am an elected people's deputy in the majority district of the district in the dnipropetrovsk region, number 29. in this district, there is such an otg, it is called slobozhanske, there are almost 25,000 residents, in all this settlement of almost 2,500 temporarily displaced persons. in accordance. the amendment that i am now voicing is the initiative of these very people who turned to me and asked me to do everything to pass this amendment, it concerns including, i am sorry, it concerns the use of funds that remain in communities, including in the direction of restoration of living conditions for

temporarily displaced persons. i understand that i and my powers are the only form now for the people to use their form of people's government and have it voted. i ask that this amendment be taken into account after , dear colleagues, 165 160 i apologize for demchenko's eighth amendment, it was rejected by the committee, the author asks that this amendment be taken into account, i ask for a vote. for 22 decisions were not taken, the amendment remains rejected, 169 people did not insists, 170 vasylchenko and colleagues do not insist, 170, 170 it was, 171sha savchuk does not insist, 172 yefimov, does not insist, 173,

gerashchenko has already spoken on this. what, 10 amendments, yes, i used one, and you used one separately, yes, 173, this is exactly this one, please, 173 , please, minutes, please, two minutes, i have three amendments, and on this i will finish the presentation, two minutes for three amendments, please, gerashchenko, thank you, dear colleagues, it is very important that we ourselves... adhere to the constitution and common sense. bill 137 is about retroactive effect of the law, and already now they want to take 200 billion hryvnias from the regions to send to the special fund. at the time when the ministry of defense created a special fund according to nato standards, the procurement fund. and i have one question for the person presenting this bill, and why are you