[000:00:00;00] 357 arahamiad georgyvych, don't insist, yes, i don't insist, thank you, next 358, again arahamia, doesn't insist, yes, good , 359, again arahamiya, don't insist, davit georgyvych, good, 360, chornomorov, colleagues, don't insist, 361 , chernomororovs colleagues, does not insist, 362 bakum oleksandr serhiyevich, does not insist, 363 tsabal does not insist, 364 mother does not insist, 65th mother does not insist, 366 yes, it has not happened yet, please, yes, please, dmytro oleksandrovich from 366 to 379 give me six minutes please please thank you run first time, first time, er, dear colleagues, the position regarding

the law enforcement committee was really voiced, that it is... the most stable, the most responsible, but, for which i wanted to thank my colleagues, frankly, but, in fact , it is bad that your, your tendency, your approaches are not accepted by the budget committee, in our country, if i am not mistaken, only the speaker is in the room, and from this committee, everyone else has figured it out, everyone else does not care, but the committee on national security, defense and intelligence. there is no one in the hall at all, i understand correctly, it is us we are currently considering draft laws on security, yes, providing for the army, everything is fine with them, they take everything into account, this is precisely an indicator of responsibility, it is precisely an indicator of who

is worried about what. we can talk a lot with you there about technical amendments, but we have just gone through more than fundamental amendments that could solve the issue of ensuring the interests of everyone, first of all our defenders of the real, not on paper, but real, provision of our fellow citizens , especially in the front-line territories, we mentioned today in that volume including kharkiv, we can mention zaporizhzhia, we can mention konstantinivka, kramatorsk, we can mention dnipro and many other cities that today simply will not survive without this money that you want to take away with this bill, well, the same kharkiv, there are colleagues here, oleksandr sergivych bakumov, who can confirm that next year you want to take, according to different estimates, 3.4 billion uah, but you

want to take it not specifically taken. mayor, we are not talking about the staff, we are talking about the people who live there, what they have there will be no heat, there may be no heat, there may be no electricity, there may be no water, there may not be sewage, many other things that can happen, and you are at the level of your cabinet, especially if something goes wrong again, which leaks to western ukraine and will sit there and tell you how to love the motherland, you will not be able to allocate... quickly this money and direct it to the needs of the city and many other examples, we can take the kyiv region, as well as many cities, i will once again i don't want to switch to the personalities, because there are different ones the mayors and heads of the otg, it is true, there are those who have no place there, no place, who are busy with the treasurer, spend these spending funds not on what his community needs, but we are talking about

people who work in their territories and you want them put on the hook, why do you need this bill, money is one thing, but no , you found something else, you want to take money from them so that after that it is very convenient, you could tell them, yes, anu-ka quickly swear the high cabinet, in the council, in the office of the president, in the cabinet of ministers, to do that we will tell you, especially if we go back to the idea of ​​elections that ruslan oleksiyovych talked about, and if you don't do it, we will take all your money, and you will sit and stare at the ceiling, and we will bring more people to you under the house and under the administration, and we will tell you that it is your fault that there is no light in them, although it will be your fault, directly all those who will press the green button for this

bill, i would be in the place of the mayors, heads of the otg, and the like, just printed out your addresses and phone numbers and for any problem, that will arise, i gave it to those people who will come, and also wrote on the website of the local administration: who is from which region, where they live, where to turn in order for the light to appear again, water to appear, , the sewers were not blocked and i'm sorry, the shit didn't climb over the top, it's about biology , you see, it would be very logical for them to do exactly that, i don't know if they will do it or not , maybe they'll listen so that people come to they told you, but what to do next... to live, what, when there will be light, when there will be water, when the roof will be repaired, when this, that, that, that, that will be done, and a small road is not in their area, it is not clear how, yes, just a minute, you will have

to bear with me, i am watching, that you are on a timer, paying attention, but yuriy mykhailovych, there is no committee of yours, i see that goncharenko has also appeared, there is no committee, not even a committee. i am not interested in what the verkhovna rada is doing, even the committee does not understand the table that he presented to the hall, i understand why, because it is impossible to study it in half an hour, and here is the specific result for you, and that too disrespecting you when your colleagues didn't even take the time to be with you and support you, in a difficult, difficult process to stand up for... these edits in the hall, what respect do you want to see from people if you don't see it from your colleagues, thank you

, yes, bakumov's last name was mentioned, please, oleksandr serhiyevich, yes, thank you, dear mr. chairman, i will use my right of reply, i thank dmytro oleksandrovich, who mentioned the city of kharkiv, i am forced to state, dear colleagues, that these are really huge amounts for kharkiv city territorial community. in particular, this year the urban territorial community will not receive 650, will not receive 650 million uah. next year, it will be calculated in billions of hryvnias. this is more than uah 3 billion. a very difficult decision. i support not spending, excuse the non-academic word, money, who knows where. all money should be directed to meet the needs of the armed forces of ukraine and other troops. formations for defense, but i also draw attention, please, to territorial communities near the front, such as kharkiv, to us must be balanced and taken into account so that we pay wages to all state employees who work in the communal

sector, in the energy sector, 369 tsabel does not insist, 300 73 tsabel does not insist, 377. oleksandr sergeyevich bakumov, please, dear colleagues, my amendment 377 concerns , so that the pdf remains in local budgets, in urban and local territorial communities , it concerns policemen and persons of rank and file, these are two categories that have joined together with military personnel, together in one galaxy, but which directly, about what as my colleagues have already pointed out, this is mainly the local population, these are those who live with their families in those territorial communities and have always paid

the appropriate taxes there, which went to the local budget, which were used directly by the local self- government bodies, i do not i believe that these will be huge sums, and that is why my proposal in amendment 377. pdf rescuers and policemen, who all their lives belonged to the local population, should be left in territorial communities. thank you. thanks, you insist, right? i put 377 amendment by bakumov. rejected by the committee, please vote. for 14, the decision has not been taken, by factions, show me, please, see, artur volodymyrovych, you are the only one from european solidarity who voted, it's a pity , let's move on, dear colleagues, to the next amendment,

378 zabal, rejected, does not insist, 380 amendment, petrunyak, zagoruyko, razumkov, please, dmytro oleksandrovich, to 395, give it 11 edits, give me 6 minutes , please, please, 6 minutes, colleagues, well, actually, it just went up absolutely logically. to the question, and unfortunately, the committee not only did not support the colleague's proposal to leave the pdf of policemen and rescuers, neither in the hall nor on the committee, and, if you can at least somehow, invent, because this explanation is difficult to name, to come up with , reasoning why you want to take away the military pdf, you tell them that it fell from the sky, sometimes it seems that something fell from the sky. to you, but i have a question, what

is the logic in the fact that you take the pdf from the policemen and the ministry of emergency situations, but they had it, they work there, they live there, they go there, their children walk, they drive on these roads, they are treated in these hospitals, maybe their older generation studies there, their parents very often live there, what right do you have, who gave you the right to take these funds from the local budget, it’s just me explain who gave you the right to do this, i understand that you received an order, you implemented it, but you are respectable people, you must think, you must make smart decisions, because it is a smart policy, a smart politicians expected us all

and not what is seen today in... you understand, and you vote yellow, well, how will you then come to your district and communicate with your voters, including policemen, various, someone, yes, really, someone left their the place of work, there, but mostly people took up arms and stood up to defend their homeland, someone went even from the rear went to the front in the first days, or wherever it was needed, hoping that on the spot they would be able to provide their family, to provide for their basic needs, to feed them, their children were warm, so that their children were comfortable at home, so that they could go to the garden, to the kindergarten, to school, to be treated in the polyclinic, god forbid they end up in the hospital, they also receive normal care, and the parents have the same situation, but you take it

away, aren't you ashamed? from this, it's simple, i'm not even asking for a political position, a human one, who should provide it, who will provide it, you take away who, from where, in what volume will compensate for it, and why do you think that you have the right to take away this resource, you unfortunately did not give an answer, colleague, i would simply ask you to comment on it so that we understand, because we have similar edits, i think there will be, i don't remember, to be honest end, i would like to understand the position of the committee and the position of you as a representative of the government, thank you, the position of the committee, please, dear, dear colleague, look, indeed, we have the main goal, which is to find a resource to finance two state military programs and another part, we are redirecting the resource directly to the military units that will be compensators, will be special.

a subsidy in the amount of uah 33.4 billion, which will compensate for the losses of local budgets at the level of the 21st year, and even taking into account indexation, inflation and the fact that they will not be enough, so it may be a little uncomfortable, but in reality nothing will happen, and local budgets receive their funds for their functioning, taking into account the losses that will be due to the police and the state emergency service, that is why we have such a compensator that we offer, in addition: we leave the reverse subsidy on the ground, we add 64%, we are fixing from them, which 4% will have to be used for energy needs, so i think everything will be fine, we will get through the winter normally and god willing, we will win, thank you, thank you, everything is clear, yes 382 tsabal rejected, does not insist, 386 bakuma, oleksandr serhiyevich,

do you insist? do not insist, thank you, 387, doe does not insist, 392 doe does not insist, 396 doe does not insist, 397 to 414 , please give me 9 minutes, there are a lot of edits, there are 14 edits somewhere, okay, please give me 9 minutes, give me please you ask the question, where to get money for two key programs? please tell me, no one has tried to embezzle or steal from the budget, you don't ask questions, let's somehow bring someone to justice for the jackets. which were bought at the price of winter and summer ones, no, there is no such question on the agenda, but what about at the expense of 42.5 billion, which the accounting chamber showed, which were spent inexplicably, well, not spent, stolen, let's call things by their

names, no , did not try, but what about the shells that were purchased from a polish company eight tenders in a row, and it did not come from 0% to 20, it was not just stolen, it was killed, because after that people did not receive mine shells at the front, they did not receive cartridges for the bm-21grad control fire systems, and maybe after this someone died due to corruption, however, we think that it will not be very comfortable, it was not very comfortable a long time ago, it was not very comfortable last year. was not very comfortable, this will be worse, because at least they had some resources that you are taking away now, we continue to play politics, two draft laws, the smart policy team

, regarding the import of duty-free generators and the import of components for them again , what are you doing, the hall is not allowed, monomajority, ruslan oleksiyovych was approached, he says, i do not shape the agenda, i shape... monomajority, you are members of the monomajority, we voted for it last year, i told you, at least introduce your laws, but your minister comes forward and says: buy generators, there will be no light, buy generators, and you are under the impression that you earn on this, that you just have a business on importing generators, let people get generators cheaper, no, why, because this is politics, because it was proposed by rozunkov, his team. we will not take him to the hall, what is the problem? will you save some money? no, we don't want to save like that. when we propose to you, let's look for other mechanisms, how to provide for the needs of the army, 70% simply take time from the local budget, direct it to these needs so that they

can purchase, they were even ready to send these funds to a special fund in order to to ensure payments to the military, purchase weapons, repair of weapons, etc., what you said, no, it doesn't suit us, we'd rather pour it all into a single cauldron and then sip from it, it's very easy, it's very convenient, you can't control that later , where did these funds go, next, you have already started preparing for the elections, do you want to put the local government on the hook in this way, so that later it decides who it is with, and that it is just with the people? it doesn't suit you, you talk about everything, you repeated all theses about what is necessary to make it possible to hold elections, but you forgot the main thing , just forgot the main thing, you mentioned the occupied

territories, about those who went abroad, about the fact that there is no money, well, the way you squander it, there won't be any, you counted five or six, and i'll tell you one more. the key thing you forgot, or rather you don't think about it, is about the people and their security, because no person in this country can guarantee security during elections, no one who is ready, let him be responsible, in words, and then in deeds, you understand, and now you are trying to destroy the local government in this way so that it does not interfere with you during the elections, you would not think about the elections, you would think about the country, about how people will survive the heating season , about how the army will fight, about what it is equipped with or not equipped with, or rather, not equipped with anything, because we talked a lot today again about drones, where are they, spent

billions of hryvnias on drones, where are these drones, we have a lot talked with colleagues on the sidelines. about the fact that everyone drives there, i will not ask anyone no at the front or in the hall, who saw these drones? here only oleksandr sergeyevich said that i saw them in some unit, or no one , if they are fine, but tell me where they are, you cannot answer that, the same will happen with this money, you have it, it will dissolve in you , there will be no drones, no uniforms, no tanks, no shells, no ammunition, nothing, and then you will breed with money, tell, well, it is somewhere along the route. it got lost, but i know where it gets lost, since it got lost at your place during the big construction, you understand come on, i understand that you 're used to it, but let's somehow reduce our appetites a little.

let's work at least a little, even sometimes for the state and for victory, for our defenders, for their needs, and not for the needs of individual ministries, the president's office and the like, i understand that someone needs to pay for solar electricity in the occupied territories, brother , yes, i understand , you didn't come out there, they said, let's use this law to take the money from them again, but the deputy head of the president's office took the money. and his brother received them from payments in the occupied territory for electricity that is disconnected for solar electricity that is disconnected from the ukrainian grid, he says, no, it's not me, i don't know, but who else is so lucky, well, just who else good luck, so maybe we will somehow return this money to the budget first, and then we will continue to talk, right, oh, we the number of representatives of the committee is increasing a little, has the chairman of the committee

returned, we have seen each other, you understand, and so in everything, you try to use what works , take away, instead of fixing what doesn't work for you, that's your key approach, you try to break what might work because you want to stick your hand where it shouldn't be. in general, it was not you who filled these budgets, it is not for you to take them away, therefore, in fact, there are not many words, looking at what is happening in the hall, how many less than 20 people's deputies are in the hall, well, how do you want to consider laws with fewer than 20, instead of to then go through the key edits, came out today, well, you want to work, me i see ms. roxelano wants to report something else, doesn't she?

you support, thank you for your support, but it's bad that you didn't vote for these good amendments in the committee, so i 'm asking you very much, let's not, don't destroy the state because someone wanted to, don't destroy the system, don't destroy the state budget, because tomorrow it won't be there, there won't be a budget, there won't be an army, there won't be an army, there won't be a country, and you don't fill the budget with such bills. you fill the pockets of individual officials, i really hope not your own, thank you, next amendment, 403 tsabal does not insist , 407 tsabal does not insist, 411 tsabal does not insist, 415 tsabal does not insist , 416 razumkov, please, thank you, ruslan oleksiyovych, 416, 463, give me 5 minutes.

please, please, 5 minutes 416, 463, yes, please, we talked a lot today about the budget, i think we will also talk, unfortunately, today there is no minister of finance, minister of defense, the new minister of defense, him a little, a little harder, it will be even harder, looking at how they are trying to plug all the holes. because after yesterday they released kharenko, who found out about his dismissal from the internet, and i am sure that they forced the minister of defense to write that it was his submission, but if i am not mistaken, the hard-working valery fedrovich should have made the submission for him, and to what extent, but i believe general kharenko, glavkov said that there was no such submission. this is how the system collapses, this is how the country's defense capability system collapses, when

you throw combat officers, combat generals out into the street without even thanking them for what they do, and they have done a lot for so that today, even if we are such a small number, we can work within the walls of the verkhovna rada. and it’s a shame, but for some reason i’m ashamed, and you do it, you as the government, well, because it’s not me, i don’t have the authority to appoint or remove from the position, you don’t understand how many people called me yesterday, asked me, although it’s not mine at all, not at all my direction, with those with whom we crossed before the full-scale war, and now, and those who... serve and those who do not serve on one question, but is

it possible? and no one has an answer to that. you began to destroy own army, such actions should generally be interpreted as working against the enemy, because the most terrible thing for the army is not even the fact that you cannot provide them with shells, cartridges, uniforms, armored personnel carriers, helmets and many other things that they need at the front, the most terrible thing is demoralization, the demoralization that you provide today, you destroy what destroyed the enemy on february 24, the morale and confidence in victory, then you regret that there are few left who believe in victory, this is how you do it yourself, you you yourself do so that the army didn't believe in his victory, when you do that with battle generals, you just

forgot to tell him, even. artura volodymovich, i will conclude with your permission, you simply take and destroy combat officers , as you hope that tomorrow they will protect, protect you, your children, your cities, your families, feeling such contempt in the rear, with everyone with whom you talk to the military, they say, you already have another war, your 16th year, the war is over for you. you come to kyiv, everything is a civilian, peaceful city, there is no war there, but if there is not the war here, if the military does not feel that the whole state is with them, then believe me, and they will not fight, we talked a lot with them, including , they say, you know, we will win and

go abroad, and it's scary to listen to, just scary to listen to, because... they will choose victory , they say, in this way we will pay our debt to the state, and we will go to another, and who will you stay with, with those who know how to saw the budget well, but then there will be no budget, there will be nothing to see, it is still good if they do not leave their state and our duty earlier, that's why we talked a lot with you during the election campaign, the only thing i want to say here at the end is that think is very useful, and sometimes ensures life and health, including yours and ours , and our fellow citizens, 419 zabal does not insist, 423 zabal does not insist, 425

zabal does not insist, 426 zabal does not insist, 427 zabal does not insist. 428 zabal does not insist, 429 zabal does not insist, 430 zabal, zabal, you do not insist on amendments at all, thank you, do not insist, 431 zabal does not insist, 432 tsabol does not insist, 433 tsabol does not insist, 434 tsabol does not insist, 435 berezin does not insist, 436 tsabel does not insist, 437 vasylchenko and colleagues does not insist, 438 goncharenko has already spoken, 439 kitsak does not insist, 440. gerasimo, artur volodyvych, artur volodymyrovych, please, gerasimo, thank you, ruslan oleksivych, dear colleagues, let's move on to the continuation , so we return to the table that clearly shows the report of rakhunkova, i will not get tired of thanking rakhunkova's employees

for the fact that money at the state level, unfortunately, now there is much more corruption in ukraine. is used than at the local level, we talked about eggs, but let's talk about other things, we have bread here, which is purchased by the ministry of defense, the difference is uah 8 on bukhanka, i emphasize once again that it is cheaper for military personnel from the front line to get to the supermarkets in kherson, mykolaiv , donetsk oblasts, kharkiv oblasts than to receive it from the ministry of defense, what a summary, the summary of this process is very simple. it turned out that they even made money from dogs, from feeding dogs, even there they stole unmeasured pace, read the accountant's report, and as for how they stole, 440, hirasim's colleagues, the committee rejected, i ask you