[000:00:00;00] could take part in this, i have to take part in the work of this commission, and not in the allocation of the budget, i hope the following, representatives of the ministry of finance of ukraine, representatives of the ministry of economy of ukraine, because the localization of 50% is exactly what we and you accepted, and i, and mikisha, oh, excuse me, and natalukha, voted for this bill, and then, thanks to our joint work with you, it was voted. in the hall, regarding localization, despite the reservations of our european partners, but unfortunately, i cannot to say that they are working in the full sense, as we laid it down, then representatives of city and village village heads, heads of all-ukrainian associations, local self-government bodies and representatives of the north atlantic treaty organization, this would enable our international partners to show

that we do not master and we provide the ukrainian army, we provide democracy, we are ready to show these expenses to our international partners, so that they do not later mistrust us, mistrust the fact that corruption is flourishing in ukraine, how ashamed we are to talk about it with you today, but it is unfortunately a fact, a fait accompli, a fact that is being talked about in the international arena, a fact that is being talked about in okopi, sorry, and in every kitchen, so please support these amendments, which are amendments, dmytro oleksandrovych, please include the invoice, we are talking about the 521 and 728 amendment. thank you, dear colleagues, amendment 521, authored by razumkova's colleagues,

was rejected by the committee, please vote. for 10, no decision was taken, the following amendment 728 authored by razumkov and colleagues by the committee rejected, please vote. for 10, the decision has not been made, 508 bakumov, does not insist, thank you, 511 bakumov, does not insist, 512, bakumov does not insist, you do not insist, oleksandovs, not yet, okay, thank you, 513

bakumov, does not insist, 515, rahamia, don't insist, 516 gerasimov artur volodymyrovych, please, thank you ruslan oleksiiovych, this amendment is about establishing additional control due to corruption at the central level and involving the verkhovna rada committee on budget issues, i thank the committee chair roxelanna pidlasii, which is now in this hall, and why this control should be established, is shown to us again by the accountant's report, which says that one of such important points turned out to be the feeding of service animals, because there, for example, the ministry of defense approached it very creatively and did not set price determination coefficients, and earned so hard on dogs, very much. as a result, the accounting report writes, in only one of the inspected parts, the cost of supplied food products for feeding one dog was overestimated by more than uah 60 per day. and in total it was established, they checked there, if i am not mistaken, only a month, more

than 30,000 in one of the military units, when you multiply by the number of military units, you will understand that they forged only this point, and the 516 amendment of gerasim, by the committee rejected, i ask for a vote, 516, please, no decision was made for eight , 507 please, thank you alexander, it is about the same thing, and why this additional control is needed, and my amendment proposes to establish it, because the auditors for the accounts also paid attention , see why the ministry of defense, you really didn't make any complaints about those food suppliers, i would say the so-called ones that inflated these prices, because

the ministry of defense discovers... it was explained by the fact that the military, attention, orders food in an untimely manner, and therefore the suppliers are using this to avoid responsibility for the low quality and quantity of products supplied, so you imagine, that is , the ministry of defense decided to blame the military, that they, despite the war, order food on time, well, that is, the military are not busy now, i am simply proving to you drop by drop that the pdf should be left at the local level, and i ask that the amendment be put to a vote, 517 girasim's amendment, rejected by the committee, i ask for a vote. no decision has been made for eight, 518 the southerner has already

spoken, 519 mother does not insist, 520 and yatsyk does not insist, 522 razumkov, mykysha, please. mykysha, yes, yes, ruslan oleksiiovych, look, 522, 24, 25, 26, four amendments for two minutes, please, what in these amendments, what we propose, in the bill that proposes to take the military pdf, it is not only to take it, but first of all, then where to use it, and we just... with our amendments, we say that way and those, that mechanism, which is laid down for the use of these funds, how technically it will take place

for all services, to reject exactly those proposals that are in the draft law, and we propose, how exactly , everything is written in us, i will not read it for a very long time, it is written in full, how the cabinet of ministers should use it, how it should in what numbers, in what proportions, it's all technical, mechanisms in we are prescribed, we propose how exactly it should be done, these are the amendments, because we know how it can be used and will be used in the end, about 100 billion for the next year, the military pdf is taken and 33 billion is returned, it seems that they return it to communities, which will be very difficult, and when they take away the military pdf, but we know how it returns, how this mechanism will be manual, the one who swears loyalty, the one who... will do the right thing, we are it everything was already passed in the 18-19th year, when i was there educational subsidy, when there was not enough of it, and then it was returned manually, and then they returned 80, no more than 80% of the necessary

need, if you fully comply with all the whims of the central government, then you will receive, and that is not all , so that this manual mode does not exist, so that this does not exist... use in manual mode, we just propose in these edits how to use correctly, legally and transparently and clearly according to the algorithm that we wrote, this is how it should work, if you are after all will be able to take these funds, it should be transparent, everyone should see how it is used, so thank you, let's move on, the next amendment is 527, vasylchenko and his colleagues do not insist.

528 oleksii does not insist, 529 the flu does not insist, 530th, mykysha, please, ruslanovs, now 530 and, another 34, 36 and 37, two minutes also instead of four, please, please, so what are the edits about here , about which we say, we went... these are actually also technical corrections, but not just where it is necessary to change a comma or ter, we clearly show how, according to which algorithms, according to which mechanisms, who, any service, appropriate, appropriate, units should be used, exactly we say that where should be used those funds that will be taken and first of all in the 24th year we we propose that from a certain source, which you will take away, 50% of the funds should be used for the development, purchase, modernization and repair

of military equipment and equipment, and another 50% for the payment, rewards of monetary support for military personnel, we are already talking about this, where exactly should all this go, where must be used, not for which zabaganki, not to any manual mode that i said in the last edit, it must clearly be according to certain algorithms and mechanisms, directed to clearly where it should be used, not anywhere not somewhere e. for some zabaganki, clearly, for armament equipment, what is needed by the military now, about the fact that they directly shout that we need it, and 50% for the payment of rewards, and the newly appointed minister of defense said that we have a deficit there of 200- something billions for the payment of rewards , so we say where to use if you already take away some part, and maybe even this , then let's use it correctly, instead of directing some funds somewhere, somewhere, then we will look for, and you do not provide

mechanisms, the creation of proper control over use, we have shown this in past edits, and we show these corrections, a clear mechanism, understandable, transparent, so that it is used correctly, and there are no complaints from citizens to us, to the central government , to any on consideration, she rejected by the committee, i put amendment 530. i ask you to vote, for nine decisions have not been made. 531 mezyntseva does not insist with colleagues, 532- tistik does not insist, 533, razumkov, please, 533, 35, 47, 48, 49,

give me three minutes, please, 33, 35, 47, eight, 48, 49, three minutes , please, dear colleagues, today we already talked about how to finance roads, but let's talk about something else, we have parties with you. political parties on which you put money in the budget. i understand that you really want to hang the boards for yourself, what are you well done, keep structures that don't work , spend these funds from the state budget, you say that we don't have enough funds for the army, well, we don't have any funds at all, so let's take the local ones.

wouldn't you like to start with yourself? you are representatives of the servant of the people party, please tell me what prevents you from taking funds from the parties and sending them to the army, be it mine or not ours, yes, don't come here, we'll take care of ourselves here, right? , why is this amendment not confirmed, not supported by the committee, i would like later to listen to the position of the representative of the committee, our team of smart politics proposes... to take away funding from political parties , from all and direct it to defense by parties, your own politics, you will deal with it after victory, if there is such a need in society, and now 50% of what you allocated in the budget for development, procurement, modernization, repair , armaments, military equipment, means and equipment and 50% for the payment of rewards and financial support to our defenders, i just want to see who

for this, even those who remained in the hall will not vote, who will believe that the financing of their native parties, and them personally, is much more important than the ukrainian army, i am surprised that there is not one, there is only one leader of the faction in the walls of the parliament, everyone else ran away, went to divide party budgets, prepare for elections, or whatever , please tell me what logic you used, as a member of the committee, as a committee as a whole, when you did not support these amendments, or do you really think that a warring state needs money spend on political parties, and not for the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, thank you, please, the position of the committee, and then what number will you say , yes, petro oleksanovych, he will answer, 33. ok, 33, 35, we will put, please, the answer

of the committee, if yes, dear colleague, well, look, it means that this amendment is not supported as such, which is already taken into account in amendments 910 and 1394, well, the proposal, in fact, we consulted with the ministry of finance and came to a conclusion that could lead to a decrease in the share of the allocation of funds minstratekhprom, which is unacceptable, because the main idea of ​​this the law still has funding for these states. this time, the necessary volumes will not be reached, and regarding political parties, well, look, we still have article 17 of the law of ukraine on political parties. party in ukraine, which is the current law, which still provides for such financing, this is a separate issue, it should be resolved by a separate law, and not by amendments to the budget code, therefore your amendment is rejected, thank you, thank you, 533 authorship amendment, the committee rejected the argumentation

the parties have been heard, please vote, for 10 decisions have not been made and 535 are correct dmytro oleksandrovych 535 the amendment was rejected by the committee, the position of the parties was also heard, i ask you to vote for nine, the decision was not made 538 pipa with colleagues, i do not insist.

539 oleksiychuk and his colleagues do not insist 540 lionov does not insist 541 savchuk does not insist 500 a second 545 proshchuk does not insist 546 the flu does not insist 550. lionov does not insist 551. bonddar does not insist, 500 53 gerasimov, but you take it right away, dear colleagues, artur volodymyrovych gerasimo, instead, for the first time in the history of the verkhovna rada, instead of 1111 of his amendments, i.e. including 830, takes one hour of performance time, please. honorable oleksiyovich rosos, honorable oleksandr serhiyovych, presidium, honorable speaker, honorable chairmen of the committees present in the hall today , honorable people's deputies, you know, now i will use these 60 minutes so that it is sufficient,

systematically, sufficiently, reasonably, with figures, with conclusions, to prove why for... draft law 1037 cannot be voted on in the repeated second reading. first of all, i would like to sincerely thank all the people's deputies who during the second reading of this law really he was not supported. you remember, then 223 on the scoreboard, it was of course a shock for the authorities, but nevertheless, it was the right decision. and he was sent for a second trial: did the authorities draw conclusions from this, as many experts recommended, unfortunately, no conclusions were drawn, why? because it is not the government's goal to direct money to

the needs of security and defense, unfortunately, what we see, the goal is to direct money to corruption schemes, which is possible. to use with impunity. and now let's start by, as they say, sections. we talked a lot about the first chapter during my previous speeches, but now we will start talking about it more systematically , about why it is not possible to send money from the local to the central level? over the past few months, we have seen a systematic campaign by the president's office against local authorities, laying paving stones , laying asphalt instead of directing every penny to the war, have there been such cases at the level of local authorities, of course there have been, but have

the central government behaves differently, i mean the office the president, his monomajority and the cabinet of ministers, which also fully... represents mr. zelsky, no, and i am grateful here to roksilana pidlasa, who stated from the rostrum of the verkhovna rada that it turns out that the road fund is for the construction of central, i emphasize, roads used by the central government , already fully used in the 23rd year, i'm sorry, but where is the money for the war that you talked about, there is no war. the state, why did you direct it to the construction of central highways? also, when we talk about the distribution of money between local and central government, let's face it... that

the local government, local deputies, mayors of cities, heads of village councils, they walk the streets every day, it is now impossible for an ordinary person, grandmother, grandfather, ordinary ukrainian to enter the government quarter, they are hiding, is it because of whether it will be possible to take control of these processes to ordinary people, and one more on... an important argument, on february 24, when the full-scale invasion began, you know, i ask this question everywhere in the regions when i travel, but who is left in the majority, to manage a city, a village, village, and in order to organize resistance, and in the list of positions, the dbr.

the security service of ukraine, the local government, other law enforcement agencies, as a rule , answered to me, and what remained was the local government, local deputies, and the mayors, and for this their central government will not hate that people respect them for the fact that then in critical days they are the ones organized frequent defenses, so about the report of the accounting chamber, which we already talked about today, theft... there is really a lot, and you know, let's start in parts, we already talked about the fact that this report is really confirmed that, to be honest, if i am not mistaken, this is the first official document from a state body that records that eggs were bought and purchased for 17 hryvnias by the ministry of defense, and i read the post by vitaliy shabunin, who reminded, and correctly reminded, how much

pseudo-patriots, i would say so, it was proved to us that there was no such thing, it was kilograms or liters , eggs were bought in liters, there was no such thing, so now everyone got the answer, and it was recorded in an official document that there were such . the second point is clear noted that there was a ... decrease, but you know, i would just put it this way, if they stole wickedly then, now they just started stealing a lot, because at the time when they lowered the prices and bought the same eggs at 9 hryvnias per piece, i emphasize, all other security and defense sectors were bought for much cheaper. in the area, 5 hryvnias, 5.30, 5.40 per egg, and these include border guards, the national

guard, the security service, and the intelligence agency. the auditors went even further, they began to find out, and at what prices were purchased by others, for example, state structures or educational institutions, and they found out that, for example, the shevchenko university was also honestly buying in district 5, and you know , the question arose, it was you who reduced the prices so much, i was not lazy, i recruited party members from european solidarity, who are now in donetsk oblasts in the ranks of the territorial defense, in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, volunteer, and i asked them to go to supermarkets, which are, in principle, 20-30 km from the front line, and ask, what are the prices for eggs, for example, there, and it turned out , what

was the most expensive thing found in kostyantynivka, you you know what's happening there now, it's 6 uah per piece, a little cheaper, 5 uah per piece, 4.50 found in sloviansk and kramatorsk, pokrovsk also in the area of ​​450, that is, it turns out, dear ukrainians, it turns out that cheaper military unit to go to the supermarket and with their markup to buy products than received from the ministry of defense, and we are talking about eggs as the most egregious case, and the prices for everything, for everything, for a loaf of bread, sorry, they earned and put in their pockets 8 hryvnias higher than they could do it. and this at the time when ukrainians send their last money, sometimes 5 or 10 hryvnias, to help the armed

forces of ukraine. in addition, i... as you saw, they even stole from dogs, exaggerating what they needed, for example, by 60 hryvnias per day, and here, too, millions of hryvnias went into their pockets, and as proof, one of such indirect proofs, that that the ministry of defense approved it, the fact is that the ministry of defense, mr. reznikov, it looked at all these processes, but did not challenge them, and, let's say, did not express claims, and when journalists, the investigators started asking about it, then the answer was very simple, yes, sorry, the military orders food on time, i already talked about it today, but i want to repeat it because it is a blatant fact, besides, they decided to cover themselves with another scheme, you know, like

that snake in the pan , that the choice is supposedly the logistics laid. in the price of these products, this must be proven from the manufacturer to the military unit, and i thank the accounting chamber, i thank the deputy head of the accounting chamber, mr. meisner, for the fact that the accounting office issued the first official document, which clearly states that it turns out that logistics was already at the price for which these middlemen bought from the direct manufacturer, at the manufacturer's prices, and these very manufacturers... selling conditionally two times cheaper than this middleman sold the ministry of defense, they were obliged to deliver it to the military unit, and we understand how it was done, they already deliver to grocery stores, to supermarkets in the donetsk, kharkiv, zaporizhzhia, kherson, mykolaiv regions, they just made

this logistics arm a little longer and delivered it and parts and you know, i am very impressed, as journalists, from the censor, because the publications wrote a lot about it, but i would like to quote them in particular, they summarized this conclusion in what concerns food products, they clearly wrote, this report of the accounting chamber is important for understanding how corrupt the procurement system itself is unfortunately, even if the number of lots is increased in the near future, it will only lead to the fact that well-known players will enter under unknown signs, i name famous people who today are the middlemen who steal this money from the people and the army, while it is important to bring

the final national producer to the auction, which is the least, it is already possible to bring out the supply of bread in separate lots, so that the suppliers do not earn for themselves a margin of uah 8 per loaf, in the future to introduce other product groups, to approve the food menu, so that the military is not fed only pearl barley sausages, and to separate the supply from the price of the product, and this is actually a sentence for how money is being stolen at the central level today. second moment, very, very interesting, and it concerns the delivery of just the form to the ministry of defense. here i am holding this report, which is printed from the website of the accounting chamber of ukraine. what do they write? they write that today, despite the almost one hundred percent advance payment, no more than 2

million, to be precise, 2,300... 28,670 units of tangible property have been delivered, what else can be said, this is already a direct, direct threat to the supply of the military , that again in the winter they will be without winter uniforms, again there will be trouble without supplies for the military units, and what is interesting, we again we hear nothing about claims from the ministry of defense. to these suppliers, now i will be very grateful if the new composition of the ministry of defense after carefully reading this report, they will really express claims to those who do not supply us with uniforms for military units, and you know what is interesting, we are, in