but on the condition that the american-mecca border, through which illegal migrants arrive en masse in the united states, will be settled. ukraine will appear in the near future, it will be next. i said that we want to unify border security with ukraine. if we are going to take care of the border in ukraine, then we should also take care of the american border. the future of the passed bill on aid to israel is doubtful to become. by law , it must pass the upper house of congress, that is , the senate, where the democrats have a majority, and their leader, chuck schumer, has already declared that he will not introduce initiative for voting, president joe biden is also threatening to veto the document in this form. in addition, the leader of the republican minority in the senate, mitchell mcconnell, advocates the simultaneous allocation of aid to ukraine, israel and taiwan. he examines all three conflicts. as the only challenge that

the dictatorships threw west. think of it as an axis. the axis of evil, china, russia and iran, so this is not just a test for ukraine, it is a test for the united states and the free world, but a path to greater security for all of us simple, help ukraine win the war. another of mcconnell's arguments is that the billions of dollars that the united states gives to ukraine eventually return to the american economy. defense enterprises in 38 states receive this money for the production and modernization of weapons to replace those that washington gives to kyiv. but not all of mcconnell's party mates, both in the house of representatives and in the senate , agree with him. some of them are outspoken isolationists who are against even indirect participation in any conflicts abroad, others consider the actions of the administration

biden's extravagance, they say the white house allocates funds to ukraine without any strategic goal. this week, eight republicans in the house of representatives sent a letter to president biden with conditions for further aid. a simple strategy. you and i will not win yet, or we must win, is not a winning strategy. how ukraine will win and how much it will take. these estimates may not be exact, but we must understand the ultimate goal. is there such a strategy in the white house, this week the secretary of defense, lloyd austin and secretary of state anthony blinken, during a hearing in the senate budget committee, convinced senators to support a joint aid package, they did not mention ukraine's victory, but instead talked about the need not to give victory to putin. in

ukraine, putin felt that he could wait, this is part of his strategy, the main part of his strategy. he hopes that the west will get tired of supporting ukraine, and thus he will soon get his way, if that is the case, if we do not support ukraine, and putin wins, he will not stop in ukraine. valery zaluzhny's article added fuel to the debate about ukraine. opponents of aid cling to the words of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, that the war has become a positional one and reached a dead end. supporters emphasize the need for increased aid in order to get out of this impasse. observers assume that in the end, a compromise could be the allocation of an aid package to ukraine, but less than the $61.5 billion offered by biden. probably , the military component will not be touched, instead may reduce the budget support of kyiv. and this means that ukraine will have to think about where to get money for payments. pensions and

salaries of state employees. in any case, the controversy surrounding aid is a bad story for ukraine. the issue that united american politicians at the beginning of the full-scale invasion has become one that divides them. support for ukraine is also falling among ordinary americans. according to the october survey of the sociological company gelab, 41% of americans believe that the united states is doing too much for ukraine. this is almost double more than in august 2022, more than 60 us citizens believe that neither ukraine nor russia will win the war. thank you colleagues for the analysis of the situation , oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation watched this material with us, congratulations , mr. oleksandr. good afternoon, thank you for the invitation. mr. oleksandr, after that.

vote, yes, ask representatives, then there may be a collision in the congress, or option b, a veto from president biden, you who see the development of events, well, i think, first of all, that first this bill, this bill, will go to the senate, and here at this stage it will be possible to stop this project, and then the white house, that is, the president can use the right of veto, that is, in principle, i i think there's a little bit of an effort here on the part of some of the republicans, who we think of as trumpists or isolationists, they're trying to... play this issue for domestic political interests, but i, well, i'm pretty optimistic about it, and i think we can get it resolved questions and help will continue, and where does your optimism come from, what do you rely on? well, it relies primarily on political will,

because i believe that if there is such a political will, and it definitely is, especially on the part of the white house, on the part of the president, then the question is in what legal form. it will be implemented, this is a secondary issue, the main thing is that there was political will, i am sure that our american friends, partners, they will find the option that will allow to continue serious assistance to ukraine, here is another important matter, mr. oleksandr, so that this political will does not it just happened, and it was also on time, because we see that such delays in the supply, first of all, of tanks and long-range missiles lead to the fact that the russians are still in a more advantageous position, and even though that help remains relevant for us, it is not as effective at the time of its receipt as it could be,

let's say six months or more ago, your forecasts, if we manage to come to an agreement and hand over the aid package to ukraine, will it be the amounts that were talked about at first, i'm talking about 61 billion dollars, and what could be... the terms, well, it's hard to say , regarding terms or volumes, but i am sure of because the american leadership and the president and their national security council, they understand very well, they realize how important it is now to provide assistance to ukraine in a timely manner, i just read, watch the american press, or analytical materials, in particular those published by foreign affairs, such a well-known magazine, and i see that americans understand that it is necessary to provide help in time, and this is extremely important, it is important for us that, despite such pre-election races, the presidential race in the united states,

that this help continues to come in a timely manner, and i really hope that, because you monitor the press that reads... those who make decisions in washington, surely some paid attention to the materials, in particular in the new york times, extreme, it is about the fact that actually from the office of the president, i understand, with the mouth of the gourd, you flew, arrows in the direction of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces zaluzhnyi, well, in fact, this is the option that the american leadership is told, read, see what is being done, between president, supreme commander-in-chief and commander-in-chief of the armed forces. the cat ran away, the split, what do you say, how will such articles be read in america, how will it affect the volume and speed of aid? well, the fact is that the new york times is really a solid publication

and i mostly trust it, although there are also such materials from time to time that do not quite correspond to reality, but for us the most important thing is to preserve the unity of the political military leadership and it is clear, i think that the question arose here as well connected with different interpretations of the thesis that the americans call it "made". this is the point, the point is that there are some politicians in america, or in europe as well, who say that the situation in ukraine has reached a dead end, that is, there is a stalemate and accordingly. it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table and it is necessary to reduce aid, or press ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table, that is, there are such politicians, so the use of this term is quite dangerous, and it seems to me that the president yesterday's interview

nbc news, he put all the dots above and and he clearly said that there is no stalemate or impasse in the understanding of such american or european politicians, but really for us there is, well, i think we need to bypass this danger, so that in the west there was no impression that there was at least some contradiction. military and political leadership. mr. oleksandr, who for the united states of america in particular is a greater authority when it comes to informing about what is happening on the ukrainian front and in ukraine in general, we understand that their intelligence is also working, but who will they listen to more quickly, the president or the servant, who should now be communicating and conveying our needs and the urgency of these needs? first of all, it is the president... for several reasons, well, first of all, in the united states there is a theory that has been established

even in judicial practice, in the practice of the supreme court, that is to speak with one voice, that is, the president, the american president, especially during the war, he represents the official position of the state, americans also perceive other countries in this way, i.e the position of our president is decisive in this regard, and secondly, from the point of view of even such a political symbol, president zelensky, he became a very famous person, and he is perceived by our partners as not only the president of the country, fighting countries, but as the leader of the free of the world , that is, it is already such a political brand, which has a huge influence, including on the americans, the americans trust president zelski very much, he is very popular, sometimes it is known. the americans joke that if zelensky were a candidate for president in the united states, he would

have a huge chance of being elected. mr. oleksandr, look at what a very interesting, interesting moment, in the white house, an article with an analysis of the current course of the war, that is , the results of the 23rd year, the article by commander-in-chief valery zaluzhnyi in the economist magazine was highly appreciated, they understood what he was writing about, the military the retired kermanych of the us army in europe ben hodge, the general, also gave positive feedback on the correct analysis of the situation , and only the deputy head of the president's office understands that who for some reason wore the pixel and chevron of tank troops, ihor zhovkva, for whom no one voted in any elections and he is not the bearer of foreign policy responsibilities in ukraine, only. ran into the audience that he should not comment on the course of the war in the american media.

here is this, here is this strange, very typical ukrainian for ukrainian politics, course of events, i wanted to use another word, it starts with acha and ends with it, this is how it will be read in washington, they will not wave a hand at us after that, well, in any nobody is going to wave at us, on the contrary, in general, this article had a positive... effect, and kirby and the representatives, other representatives of the white house referred to this article, that is, they see it as an argument that shows that it is necessary to continue, even to increase aid to ukraine, because it is about the fact that in order to win the war, it is necessary, as the americans call it, a game changer, that is, it is necessary to provide high-quality, modern weapons, modern armaments, well, as for certain... i think , this is normal, because the military, they think in categories

of military necessity, and diplomats, they also take into account how certain messages, or in this case an article, how it will be perceived in the west, mr. oleksandr, i rather asked about that, well, ihor zhovkva , with all due respect, the deputy head of the president's office did not is responsible for one voice, for one voice on foreign policy. this, he is doing this, in the national single marathon , criticizing the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhny, that is, why is it that we have such a serb, why does zhovkva suddenly have the right to make such statements, and of course he has such a right, to express their own views, as well as commander-in-chief zaluzhnyi, but here one must understand a very simple thing, from the point of view of the official position, there are... only three persons in the state, whose voice is the voice of the state, that is,

this is the official position, it is the president, the prime minister the prime minister and the minister of foreign affairs, and other, let's say, officials, they also have the right to express their point of view, and in a democratic society this is absolutely normal, the only thing is that their voice is not considered the official position of the state, thank you, mr. oleksandr , oleksandr moreshko, folk deputy of ukraine, chairman. the committee of the verkhovna rada on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation optimistically despite all the remonstrances regarding financial aid to ukraine in the us senate and congress, well, let's monitor this situation, let's, let's hope that mr. oleksandr's faith, in fact, is reflected in our military, financial help, let's move on, and our last guest for today is nataliya pipa, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on education, science and innovation, welcome ms.

natalya, good day, glory to ukraine, well, it seems that during the war there are areas that benefit a little, and one of them is education, so we have increased the number of entrants this year even more than last year, but not just entrants, but among these entrants there is a huge percentage of men, for example, last year 85,000 men of draft age entered higher educational institutions, this year already more than 1,000, and a lot of them study on a paid basis, that is, they are first-year students who are ready to pay for education ' this about 70%, and besides, a large number of them are 30 plus or 40 plus years old, i.e. already in adulthood, have decided that they want to study, maybe master a new profession, maybe start something from scratch, your observations on this,

next year, how many men of draft age will we have in the first year of the student ranks, well, i think that the question is about how many next year, well, if it were possible to predict, if there are no changing conditions, then it will be the same, but i think that the conditions are changing , then they will change, so we will see a different one accordingly number, well, if vanislavskii's draft law had already been registered, as far as i know, i personally did not participate in the negotiations, but in particular in the european union, it was recognized as discriminatory on the basis of age , and now a new draft law is being developed, which will not be based on age, but probably on somewhat different criteria, such as a second, higher education, probably possible depending on the field of activity, are you going to get a higher education in that field and do you really need it, are you going to get a first higher education after the professional training and for what purpose, probably the criteria will be a little more than age, and accordingly, uh, most likely, and how is it not,

well, if it is, it is only a postponement from mobilization. accordingly, the order of the general staff or the amendment of the draft law will change the rules and conditions of the game, and accordingly, i think the situation will not change even before next september 1, but there is a high probability that it will change either before the end of this year, or my forecast in january, february will be eh, and well if so, another question for those who went to get a higher education, especially a second one, at an older age. higher education, because it is good when people learn, but bad when it is there is a way to avoid or postpone mobilization when the country really needs defenders and the situation is so difficult, so i think that in general there will be a change in the situation with this postponement, and therefore the figures of next year will be a completely different situation

than now, ms. natalya, and will these conclusions and changes be in any way related to the fact that in fact the president introduced two draft laws to the verkhovna rada, one on the extension of martial law, the other on the extension of general mobilization, and here you are talking about the legislative field regarding higher education, i.e. it will be correlated, they may put some bans on obtaining a second education as a way to avoid or postpone mobilization, and the specifically mentioned bill... most likely not, but another one is currently being developed, based on what was submitted at the end of august by venislavskyi , there were alternative draft laws to it, none of them passed , because of the issue of age, it was recognized as discriminatory, there was talk of changing the rules, so i think

another draft bill will be introduced in the near future, which will regulate it, ms. natali, we can't help but ask you, because we just ... had a discussion with andrii maghera today, during the time we talked with him, more information appeared, including allegedly from the parliament, that there are already bills in the parliament, went there, regarding the holding of elections, including in the front-line territories, can you confirm or ask that these bills are already in the parliament, that is, they are bills that prepare elections for the spring of the 24th year, i am honest saying i haven't seen her yet, you told me for the first time, so i have to go on the website of the verkhovna rada, there is information about what is in question, well, that means they haven’t officially gone anywhere yet, are they in sedo signed by our internal staff that we have seen, i haven’t seen them, is someone preparing them, i don’t rule out the possibility

, the conversation about the elections, in particular the president, is being conducted, or the issue has not yet been resolved for the parliament, i can say for sure that there is no money for the elections in the budget of ukraine , accordingly, it will depend a lot on the situation of negotiations with foreign partners, who really say, if you are a country democratic, then you have to re-elect the president, whose term of office ends in march, and the parliament, there would already be a new parliament if there was no martial law, so here the question will be about martial law, and it will be necessary to change the situation, whether it will be a state of emergency or a state of martial law in several regions, there are a lot of questions, there are no specific initiatives of political will today, but what exactly is one of our main partners , which is the usa, which itself has a very difficult political situation, poses such a question, then the main question is how you differ from in russia, i believe that holding elections under martial

law is very dangerous, for three reasons, the main ones, the first - how will those who most deserve to vote, these are our defenders on the front lines, vote. second, how our people will vote, according to various estimates, from seven to 10 thousand million, actually people, voters, somewhat less. abroad and the third question: if russia makes several calculations on that day, whether there will be rockets on the territory of ukraine, how will it be possible to hold elections and where will we find enough bomb shelters to hold elections, i no longer i'm talking about the fourth one, about money and many other risks, so there are a lot of questions, i believe that if at this moment the president proves, like the parliament, his legitimacy. and we must first win and focus our efforts on victory, not on elections, but such calls are coming from partners, and therefore it will be a very

serious challenge. mrs. natali, we literally have less than two minutes left, because the opinion of not only the partners is interesting, but also what is being talked about in the verkhovna rada, on the sidelines, what is not included in the list, in the top, and what they don't say officially, because one of the versions is that the elections will be held... will be limited, in particular by territories, we are not talking about entire regions, but about precincts, and i calculated so simply that in general it will be possible to reduce the number of precincts and the number of regions where elections to several regions are held, is something like that really being seriously considered, something like that is being seriously discussed by the deputies, one minute, please detail no, because they are excluded, let's be honest about the decision-making process, even your previous speaker said, that three persons named which can: represent the state, despite the fact that we are a parliamentary-presidential state , accordingly, at a minimum, it could be the speaker of the parliament, and why am i saying this, the deputies do not discuss, but do they discuss

such things in the president's office, i i do not rule it out, the only important thing, in fact, is that everyone, both civil society and the opposition, will work on the fact that if there is a demand from partners for elections, in particular, for example, perhaps, as possible... in nato, then these negotiations are possible, but we will watch as much as possible that it would be a democratic process and that every citizen of ukraine could vote, exercise his will and find out, regardless of where he is, but in general, i believe, now is not the time for an election. thank you, ms. natalya, natalya pipa, people's deputy of ukraine, was with you, with us and with you, we say goodbye to ms. natalya and we also say goodbye to you, our tv viewers, have a peaceful, safe stay. day, see you tomorrow, stay tuned with espresso, news and our other projects, colleagues have already prepared a lot of information. attention,

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